My bad. I miscounted the mafia. Thanks Wiggles for clearing that up.
Okay, guys, we won't know who's going to get hit tonight. I say it's best to post our suspicions now and make sure we don't die without leaving some analysis for people to ponder over.

I'm with Curu that Flamewheel is almost assured scum. No one accounted for the missing KP that he seems to have "took."

Node seems like assured scum to me because of my previous post.

Pandain is most likely scum because he defended Bum, has been inactive, and could very well be the role thief. However, as Wiggles pointed out, redFF seemed to have been gloating earlier. I think one of the two is definitely scum.

Kitaman seems like another person who's done nothing all game yet acts like he's contributing.

Scamp seems like scum to me. Wishy-washy, defended Bum, always asking for another day.

The problem is FW, Barundar, Misder, Kenpachi, Node, and Scamp all seem so inactive.

ghrur

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August 22 2011 04:59 GMT

#1582

On August 22 2011 13:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
FW/Pandain/Node/RedFF

That's my list for the last four scum. Maybe replace Node with Kenpachi, but they've both been lurking so hard, it's tough to tell. =/

Node is definitely scummier than Kenpachi.
Realizing that tnkted is town, notice how Node tried to egg me on to try and argue against tnkted without making his own case or putting down a vote.

Aside from that one incident, he's only suspected VE and Pandain and consistently sticks to them to give out as little info as possible. Aside from that, he hasn't done shit.

Given that Node is scum, it's much more likely Pandain isn't scum and redFF is than otherwise. I highly doubt Pandain and redFF are both scum. Reading over it, I feel like redFF's meta doesn't fit, he hasn't scum hunted, Pandain has *or seemed to try,* and is more likely town than redFF. With that, my scum list comes out something like:
Flamewheel
Node
redFF
Scamp.

ghrur

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August 22 2011 05:05 GMT

#1584

On August 22 2011 14:00 redFF wrote:
yeah wiggles is scum. it wasnt gloating syllogism had been defending sandroba like crazy and multiple people had said either sandroba or VE were scum and ve flipped town and syllo flipped scum so lynchw as obvious imho.

Other people said, multiple people said, take some responsibility scum.

And I don't think Wiggles is scum.

ghrur

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August 22 2011 15:04 GMT

#1593

On August 22 2011 14:09 redFF wrote:
write an analysis then maybe ill listen to fos's on me

vote me for mayor obv

How about YOU write an analysis considering nothing has come out of you this whole game? Where was the red that pressured me in XLIII? Where was the red that analyzed his scum-reads in XLIII?

ghrur

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August 22 2011 15:13 GMT

#1596

On August 23 2011 00:11 Pandain wrote:

Show nested quote +

This is my self analysis.
Night powers Activate
##ban Youngminii.

Time to perm that mother fadoodler.

...

ghrur

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August 22 2011 16:51 GMT

#1603

Wow... that wasn't even the Day post... gg!

ghrur

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August 22 2011 16:55 GMT

#1605

On August 23 2011 01:54 Barundar wrote:
Worst vigi ever.

Who? Me?

ghrur

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August 22 2011 16:57 GMT

#1607

On August 23 2011 01:56 Barundar wrote:
No me

Who did you Vigi...?

ghrur

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August 22 2011 16:59 GMT

#1609

On August 23 2011 01:58 Barundar wrote:
redFF. He lied about marines apparently.

Sigh, oh wells. GG

ghrur

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August 22 2011 17:28 GMT

#1613

On August 23 2011 02:10 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Ugh, what the hell just happened?

This makes it 7-4 right now, which means that after NKs (if they all go through), we'll be at 5-4 or maybe 5-3 (Vig's, please shoot the crap out of Pandain), placing us at LYLO. We can still win, but it's going to be very hard.

Don't give up until it's over.

Idk if there are any more vigis. I'm just thinking if it's no more powers, it's gonna be 5-4, then 5-3, then 3-3. :/

ghrur

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August 22 2011 23:09 GMT

#1621

On August 23 2011 07:54 Misder wrote:
10 ppl, 6 town, 4 scum correct? (as in, different # from what Wiggles said)

Is it day?

11 ppl, 7 town, 4 scum.

ghrur

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August 23 2011 03:47 GMT

#1638

Bum... was a townie? WOW. I suck at this game.

ghrur

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August 23 2011 03:57 GMT

#1642

This game mindfucked me so hard.

ghrur

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August 23 2011 04:59 GMT

#1654

I had such an easy PR, lol. Like, no one ever claimed DT except maybe Curu? Idk if that counts? And he only posted his finds once, and then Palmar claimed Mafia... so disputing it wouldn't do anything anyway.

I still played like an idiot. >_< I don't regret my shot on Kurumi though. I just regret that I can't scum hunt for shit. T_____T

ghrur

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August 24 2011 03:30 GMT

#1710

On August 24 2011 11:45 Jackal58 wrote:

Show nested quote +

On August 24 2011 10:33 Qatol wrote:

On August 24 2011 10:00 Jackal58 wrote:

On August 24 2011 09:50 Qatol wrote:

On August 24 2011 09:34 Mig wrote:
Qatol I don't think you guys took into account how badly PRs damage the town and how much they help the mafia when really balancing. Like YM can't accuse anyone who hasn't accused him. How is he supposed to do any analysis? Sandroba can only post 5 times a cycle. So one of the best town players is nearly removed from the game. How is the town supposed to be able to get any read on things like that? Especially day 1. So much time has to be devoted into personality hunting and PR hunting just to have any clue about whats going on instead of actually looking for scum.

Sandroba had unlimited PM abilities. Get your read on him via PM. Plus he could have used someone as a mouth. I agree that YM's restriction was harsh, but that still doesn't excuse the town for ignoring the scum in front of their faces.

Having a townie flip red didn't help. That destroyed our confidence in who was scum. Sandroba being roleblocked neutered him.
And c'mon a vig that has to lynch townies to get a bullet? Or a suicide bomber that can only hit 1 person that is also a townie.

Things never should have gotten that far to begin with. You relied too much upon your reads relating to bum. Sandroba never should have roleclaimed the way he did. He was just begging to get roleblocked. And even if he does, he's 1 townie. It just means someone else has to step up. It means all of you have to do the work and not just rely upon a small core of people + the investigative roles. If the mafia want to commit to roleblocking Sandroba, that means they cannot roleblock anyone else with that ability. That is an opportunity for the town.

Think of your role as a mitigation role just in case the town is wrong on one of a few players. Your role had the most potential KP out of any town role. It's supposed to keep the town in the game if they happen to bandwagon some players incorrectly.

After Kurumi flipped town when he was vigi'd (Still don't know why that happened) I figured the rest on my list were also town. If any of them came up as a serious lynch candidate I would have tried to prevent it. Was never an issue. They were all scum kills. When i suicided on Sandroba I was hoping for the best case scenario. Role blocker plus a hitman. I only got a role blocker. Turned it into a 2 for 1. 2nd best case was Sandroba was scum it it was a 1 for 1. Ya I got the 2 townies for 1 scum scenario. Was still better than my worse case scenario of 2 townies and no scum

I vigi'd Kurumi because I thought he was more detrimental towards town than, well, anyone else. Kita, Pandain, and tnkted were my other targets for the night, but neither kita nor tnkted claimed, and I was unsure of Pandain. And by the time I had read through the thread, I was so fed up with the Kurumi+Jackal spam, I just wanted Kurumi dead.