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kitaman27

United States9244 Posts

July 31 2011 02:39 GMT

#2019

On July 31 2011 11:38 sandroba wrote:
Can anyone confirm this? I really find it ulikely that someone made a role that only works for scum. The lack of fluf is very suspicious too =/

I did copy and paste my role pm about 15 seconds after you asked. Do you think I had it pre-written in case you asked me to re-post it? -_-

kitaman27

United States9244 Posts

July 31 2011 02:56 GMT

#2024

Something that really doesn't add up is the timing of Palmar's role claim. Palmar has arguably the best detective role in the game. Why does he role claim in the middle of the day, the moment someone looks at him the wrong way? If I were in his position, I wouldn't ever consider claiming unless I was scum trying to buy town cred.

kitaman27

United States9244 Posts

July 31 2011 03:02 GMT

#2032

On July 31 2011 12:00 Varpulis wrote:
you'd like to argue with pms from the host?

Jackal/Sandroba already used that argument to try to get himself confirmed. Let's not post them since it is against the rules.

kitaman27

United States9244 Posts

July 31 2011 03:15 GMT

#2042

On July 31 2011 12:08 sandroba wrote:
Since there is a sacrificial role some non confirmed role is lying and thus must be mafia.

I'll happily mute you if you want me to confirm mine

On July 31 2011 08:07 sandroba wrote:
We lynch kita tomorrow imo. People could even shoot him at night to confirm he's sk.

I initially missed this. Why on earth would you call for a vig shot to try to confirm a sk. Is this the Salem Witch Trials now? We throw me in a lake and if I drown, I'm innocent? Best case, you waste a town kp and have to lynch him anyways. Worst case, you just killed a townie.

Varp, you haven't really addressed curu's question. Where are your results for all the other deaths?

kitaman27

United States9244 Posts

July 31 2011 03:21 GMT

#2045

Regardless of Varp's results, we lynch either chaos or Palmar today, as they both cannot be town aligned.

Palmar claims chaos shot sandroba.
chaos claims Palmar is lying.

Anyone not voting for one of the two does not have the town's best interest at heart.

kitaman27

United States9244 Posts

July 31 2011 03:32 GMT

#2055

chaos, did you mention who you protected on previous nights?

kitaman27

United States9244 Posts

July 31 2011 03:39 GMT

#2060

On July 31 2011 12:37 sandroba wrote:
Kita, do you agree on targeting me this night?

If town agrees. The only problem is that I would essentially be your voice for the cycle. Are you willing to submit to that?

Who did you protect night one, chaos?

kitaman27

United States9244 Posts

July 31 2011 04:01 GMT

#2070

I'm not sure if this has been answered yet, but if chaos was role blocked, how would he be able to use a night action on sandroba to get added to his pm circle?

kitaman27

United States9244 Posts

July 31 2011 14:27 GMT

#2112

Nope, we're either lynch you or chaos. Don't try to start a wagon on sandroba.

kitaman27

United States9244 Posts

July 31 2011 15:22 GMT

#2121

Has Drazerk or Kurumi fully claimed their roles yet? I know sandroba mentioned his role, but I forget if he said what it does.

kitaman27

United States9244 Posts

July 31 2011 15:32 GMT

#2127

On August 01 2011 00:31 Kurumi wrote:
I AM NOT A DETECTIVE

Mind posting your role for us?

kitaman27

United States9244 Posts

July 31 2011 15:43 GMT

#2130

I tried looking through all of kurumi's posts and am still pretty confused what it does. Would you please post your role kurumi, just to clear things up?

kitaman27

United States9244 Posts

July 31 2011 19:23 GMT

#2167

Kurumi, can you post your entire role? (request #4)

kitaman27

United States9244 Posts

July 31 2011 22:12 GMT

#2178

We can most certainly lose. There are probably 2-3 scum remaining and a possible slew of third party members. which may or may not include a secret cult alignment. I'd like more discussion of the palmar vs chaos situation, rather than people just placing their votes and then saying we vig the other if we are wrong.

The timing of the Foolishness kill was the weirdest part about heist since it essentially eliminated the town lynch for the day. If we want to discuss something, we could try solving the puzzles for the hallows. Mafia has multiple people working together on them, while we only have individual efforts. I tried looking at them as cryptograms, but wasn't able to make any progress. Any thoughts?

I don't really get why kurumi was having people vote for him day one, but that isn't the first time kurumi has confused me.

As for the chaos vs palmar debate, here are the current votes:

-chaos13 - 7 votes
dropbear
palmar
Drazerk
curu
lanaia
heist
sandroba

-palmar - 3 votes
chaos13
varpulis
bumatlarge

Looking back at his posts, Palmar has been pretty correct on everything he has said this game. He called for a vig hit on both jackal and foolishness, but both of them were in pretty hot water. There is both the Foolishness role guess and the fact that he role claimed so early that has been bothering me though.

chaos has been less clean. He suggested we give jackal the wand to use as a double lynch, although I admit it crossed my mind as well. His day one vote against kurumi was rather weak. If a scum was looking to jump on a easy target without attracting too much attention, then he was a good pick. He does put some effort into an analysis, but it is ultimately incorrect. He does earn points for going against Foolishness. A SK flip wouldn't be out of the question. If that's the case, I'm not sure what to think about Palmar. I'll probably decide to vote after another read through later tonight.

kitaman27

United States9244 Posts

August 01 2011 01:07 GMT

#2185

On August 01 2011 08:57 sandroba wrote:
Look, this shit is bugging me imensely. If foolishness got his role stolen by someone no in his team, why wouldn't he claim? Not claiming when he knew some townie had his role is very risky. He did claim roleblock. Also why would curu push for nisani/chaos instead of foolishness early on in the day when he knew foolishness was bullshitting about his post restriction?
A more reasonable explanation would be foolishness was role thief all along and was roleblocked and unable to steal someone's role and they siezed the oppotunity to buy some town cred for curu, who was wheel of time all along.

Seems to me you are overthinking things. If curu wasn't the original role theif, than his role creator could have counter-claimed by now, unless all three of them we're scum buddies. You've flipped between Palmar and chaos a bunch of times in the last 24 hours. Mind explaining your thought process?

kitaman27

United States9244 Posts

August 01 2011 12:55 GMT

#2214

Curu even bread crumbed his role at the beginning of the game with this, which matches the flavor text of the role description. I'm willing to trust that he was the original role thief at his point.

On July 25 2011 15:02 Curu wrote:
judging from my own role, people who made up roles in five minutes are not all that uncommon

kitaman27

United States9244 Posts

August 01 2011 14:22 GMT

#2215

I'm off camping for a few days so I'll be on the road for the rest of the cycle. I'm not sure if they have Wi-Fi or not, but worse-case, I'll find a McDonalds or something (Or maybe silence myself as an excuse :p)

If the lynch comes up wrong, hold bum accountable to shoot Palmar. If anyone else is trigger happy and decides to shoot me because of the bogus ghost whisperer result, just ask yourself why I would ever take an alignment day one with only a couple votes on myself, relatively early in the cycle.

kitaman27

United States9244 Posts

August 01 2011 22:20 GMT

#2247

On August 02 2011 06:44 Curu wrote:
Well I think it's more or less confirmed that kita killed Amber according to Varpulis.

Oh really? More or less confirmed? HOW ABOUT THE FACT THAT HIS PENALTY INFORMS HIM THAT HIS RESULTS ARE INCORRECT. For all we know, his penalty was a lie. He already admitted his role didn't follow his role description. What makes it so hard to believe that Amber targeted sandroba?

We most likely have 2 scum remaining, an unknown amount of third part SK or assassins, and 1 cult member. That doesn't exactly leave much room for you guys to shoot off one of your few remaining townies.

For those who still want me shot, please address this: Why would I submit to the alignment check? Foolishness was the godfather so I would be outed as scum. If I was a cultist, assassin or serial killer than I would also be outed. I cannot be the mole because it was only the second night. I submitted to the alignment check at 10pm est when we weren't anywhere close to the lynch in order to give the town time to pick a good lynch target. There were only 2-3 votes on me so its not like I had no choice. People are so willing to follow a fake check from varp, yet hasn't addressed this issue, which pretty much clears me in my mind. The only reason you would shoot me would be if you thought I was serial killer. Both tackster and Foolishness attempted to get me lynched day one. Additionally, I voted Foolishness day two. If you thought I was a serial killer, then where in the world did the mafia kp mysteriously disapear to? Additionally, what good does shooting a suspected sk do? They have protective vests so it would only waste a town kp.

Whoever created chaos's role never claimed, which makes it highly likely he was the second cultist. Do we find it likely that a cultist has a kp? That doesn't make sense to me considering they already have a recruiting role. So how did chaos shoot sandroba? A recruitment attempt is certainly possible. He was obviously targetting pro-town players after recruiting SS day one. Finally, I won't claim who I created my role for due to the penalty, but its pretty clear if you can read between the lines.

kitaman27

United States9244 Posts

August 01 2011 22:26 GMT

#2250

oh lol. That makes me a lot happier. I had assumed he was the secret cult alignment that was hinted at in the OP. Can we get a confirmation since he didn't have the word scum in his flip?

If you still think I'm scum after the alignment check and voting for both chaos and foolishness, then there is no sense arguing with anyone -_-

kitaman27

United States9244 Posts

August 01 2011 22:31 GMT

#2253

I don't suppose you would agree to shoot yourself for us Bum? :p

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