No, there's nothing wrong with what sandroba is doing. I was actively looking for an angle that sandroba could have been Mafia from Varpulis's 3 statements thing, but I couldn't find any side that it'd make sense for sandroba to be Mafia else I would have posted it as well. Confirming someone too easily is bad, and it's worth it for scum to bus if they can get a player as "confirmed" Town to live to mylo/lylo.

Keeping discussion active and transparent as well as an open mind about other players is not a bad thing and gives more room for scum to make a mistake and slip.

Once again, I admit that I was selfish in not being transparent right from the start of Day 2 but I hadn't thought of Foolishness as confirmed scum yet and didn't want to possibly push in another mislynch. I thought it very odd that Nisani jumped from YM to BC (clearly voting wherever the bandwagon was easiest), further compounded on day 2 when he just voted for whoever voted for him, but never ever hit the Jackal wagon so I thought there was a good chance that he was scum. He accused Foolishness, which made me more hesitant about calling Foolishness scum because I don't think Nisani is capable of a teammate bus.

It was a combination of finding out about Godfather's role changing, reading the TL Quiz thing that Foolishness was always a night 1 scum hit, and realizing that Foolishness was regarded as a great player that confirmed it for me (great players don't just push wall of text defenses of themselves and then only push Nisani who is always the scummiest player in the game regardless of his alignment).

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

August 01 2011 03:25 GMT

#2211

Giving the motivations behind my actions and revealing all the information I knew. Basically that I was keeping secrets from the Town for personal purposes.

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

August 01 2011 03:28 GMT

#2212

Oh and in case anyone was wondering what I was doing in the night, I was trying my hardest to draw a shot (insisting all over the place that I had my third power which suggests I used the hidden vote power already as my action for the cycle) then actually using my vet power.

Whether or not I actually drew a shot is unknown because dec never answered me.

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

August 01 2011 15:35 GMT

#2216

lol I'd forgotten about that. I was also doing a bit of role fishing at the start because I thought Mafia/SK would get the most overpowered roles and I could steal that ^_^.

If you find me being scummy for other reasons then mount your case sandroba, but I was most definitely the original Role Thief.

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

August 01 2011 19:51 GMT

#2227

1 hour remaining right?

chaos and Palmar, y so quiet?

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

August 01 2011 21:02 GMT

#2233

woot

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

August 01 2011 21:44 GMT

#2239

Well I think it's more or less confirmed that kita killed Amber according to Varpulis.

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

August 01 2011 22:19 GMT

#2246

If kitaman is scum it's SK, he was bussed by like the entire Mafia team.

Lanaia is a good scum candidate as well, appearing to contribute without actually contributing (every read posted so far has been unbacked up "gut") and the fact that she was roleblocked and only 1 KP went out last night.

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

August 01 2011 22:22 GMT

#2248

lol chaos was scum, that's how he had a KP.

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

August 01 2011 22:41 GMT

#2256

Go read Lanaia's posts. Lots of defending Jackal day 1, agreeing with Tackster/Chaos a lot, never offered a single scummy target (instead just calls everyone not scum), first one to bring up Miller thing as if sure that was the result (not a huge tell though).

Defends Foolishness day 2, on the fence about everything and not committing. Lots of apologizing for being wrong with reads.

Did have some spats with Chaos though and scumteam using their Vig hit on redFF does seem unlikely.

I would prefer Lanaia or bum simply because Palmar's role is so OP for Town. Palmar was also at Chaos before anyone else was.

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

August 01 2011 22:59 GMT

#2261

They probably shot you because you're the most Pro Town player in the thread lol.

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

August 01 2011 23:12 GMT

#2270

heist is 100% not Mafia, why would he pick his own Godfather as his puppet?

Like I don't understand, are you being intentionally unhelpful -_-

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

August 01 2011 23:27 GMT

#2278

The only person without night visiting roles are sandroba, heist, Varpulis, and Lanaia IIRC.

sandroba and heist are pretty much confirmed not Mafia. Sheeping you and killing them both is a terrible idea.

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

August 01 2011 23:38 GMT

#2284

Or how about we don't accept your plan, you stop being so cryptic, and we play the game out normally with you being helpful ole scumhunter Palmar?

I don't have a visiting power either at the moment.

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

August 02 2011 00:26 GMT

#2323

Lanaia confirmed DB as a RBer unless they're both scum together.

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

August 02 2011 00:30 GMT

#2327

The only probable outcome I can get out of this convoluted solution is that Palmar is a Cult Leader (true Cult, not the PM circlejerk ability sandroba and chaos had) and has recruited a Mafia member. He wants us to win by all getting culted.

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

August 02 2011 00:41 GMT

#2339

He's the Cult Leader. Die!!!!

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

August 02 2011 00:50 GMT

#2341

AKA his Cult has to gain majority.

You've got your shot bum.

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

August 02 2011 00:57 GMT

#2343

Just in case I need to explain why I think he's Cult Leader:

Confirmed not Town
Wants to kill a crapload of players (gain majority)
Can't be killed by Mafia (Culted the Mafia so their KP won't hit him)
Knows the Mafia (Culted a Mafia member who told him the rest of them)