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Let's do this! | ||
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Someone give him one of those! | ||
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If the guy has more than one bulletproof vest, can't the mafia just kill him, depriving us of the saves? | ||
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Syllo is probably scum. | ||
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On July 12 2011 19:40 syllogism wrote: That was just general advice and I find it pretty unlikely there to be more than one, non-rigged at least, vest in the game. Would make it pretty hard for the scum team, especially if they don't have RPGs or something that can break them Why would you assume the scum team doesn't have an RPG? | ||
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So I guess it's only if your role specifically forbids you to use the RPG's that you don't get to use them. | ||
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Thanks, but my heart belongs to someone else. | ||
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For the game, Kurumi basically put forward a plan that involved not being stupid. It's not a bad plan, but it screams "I'm trying to contribute" to me. I don't really like it. And I'm definitely not following it, if I see fit I will announce my contracts, but it will not be a rule. | ||
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On July 13 2011 00:36 Radfield wrote: yeah, I was trying to see if anyone would bite by offering to sell me their vote. It would peg them either as scum or as someone with a cash ability. In retrospect it was probably a bit too transparent. grrrr.... Oh wait, I'm not a dog. I find this thing stupid and suspicious. | ||
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b) this is like creating a bad plan and then claiming you did it to see if you could catch scum who supported it. c) only a single person called you out on it and you folded. Are you really that afraid of being under suspicion? | ||
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On July 13 2011 00:36 Radfield wrote: I am also fairly decent at finding reds, though I'll admit that I'm somewhat weak when it comes to PM games, which I don't normally join. I find this scummy too. | ||
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On July 13 2011 01:00 Radfield wrote: Every player in every mafia game ever should be 'afraid' of being under suspicion, at least in the sense that you should do what you can to appear town-aligned and not get mislynched. Oozing green is the best trait any pro-town player can have. So why don't you ooze green? | ||
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If someone gives you a bulletproof vest, LSB will know it's a bulletproof vest, but is unable to tell if it's super powerful, broken, booby trapped etc. So you can't say to someone you're giving him a bulletproof vest, but really you're just giving him a gun, a flower, a book or a goddamn RPG. Anyway, stop trying to find holes in the rules and go play mafia. | ||
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On July 13 2011 03:56 sandroba wrote: Hello everyone. I don't like the post above one bit. Lynching a lurker is about 27 times better than lynching rad day 1 and you say you are not sure, but he seems like a good lynch? Huh? How does that make any sense? Also kurumi is suspicious for being a try hard, but saying nothing useful. Nisani for the above post AND for suporting kurumi. This is the most scummy thing I've read in this thread yet. But I agree with you on Kurumi. | ||
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Everyone knows that we'll default to lynching lurkers, but with over 30 hours remaining in day one there is no reason to defend anyone like you just defended Radfield. Let him answer for himself. There were several good reasons for attacking him. Yes, Nisani is being a bit derp, but that's no reason to completely stop the attack against Radfield. | ||
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But then again, I completely agree with Sandroba on ON. ON has done almost nothing but not commiting this game, he also randomly fos'd sandroba out of the blue. I was talking to him on IRC at the time, and he mentioned radfield/kurumi/nisani being scummy, but a little later I said Sandroba was scummy, and that's the person he fos'd. He basically went with my read over his own, which also smells like an attempt to buy friends. | ||
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On July 13 2011 05:16 GMarshal wrote: Wait, Chezinu is playing in this? Day 1 target acquired.  That's interesting. You suggested exactly the same thing day 1 as scum in CCM. You know that if we policy lynch him scum will basically get a free pass day 1 hiding behind a policy lynch. | ||
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GMarshal is another one to look at, I don't like half of what he's done so far. Anyway, I need to sleep. A thousand times goodnight. | ||
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The point about really wanting to delay the lynch by one cycle is especially damning. As town you'd simply prove your innocence through pro-town posting and not worry so much about staying alive for one night. I spoke with Radfield in detail last night. re-reading the IRC logs now. | ||
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But then again, he is actually not bad at this game, maybe this is his scumplay. LSB, are you trolling me? Everyone is scummy. | ||
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OriginalName The plan is to show with this post that OriginalName is very likely to be scum. I have went back and re-read his entire posting history. This, along with the shenanigans in PM land, leads me to believe that ON is indeed not part of our lovely town. The first thing I'd like to bring to everyone's attention is the fact that ON has hardly accused anyone in this game, except for Sandroba. His accusation on Sandroba is incredibly weak. On July 13 2011 05:44 OriginalName wrote: I had weak cases until I found Sandroba, I still have weak cases, I dont like commiting to weak cases because very often weak cases are wrong. I haven't even put a vote down on anyone yet and neither has anyone else. So how can anyone really be called commital yet? As soon as I call him out on not committing he claims to have suddenly found a strong case. A case that was basically based on my own initial suspicion of Sandroba. He hasn't said a damn word in the thread about why Sandroba is scummy, just that "it's not a weak case". But while ON has not been busy making enemies by calling them scum, he sure as hell has been trying to make friends. On July 13 2011 05:10 OriginalName wrote: Meta =/= Scum. And depending on how items work and such he could be right. On July 13 2011 05:40 OriginalName wrote: Please provide evidence because im fairly sure i committed to lynching scummy lurkers over all else day 1 and im even more sure that you are just omgusing me because i decided to push you. I agree mostly with that list overall though syllogism just hasnt done quite enough yet to warrent that spot. On July 13 2011 01:57 OriginalName wrote: I don't like lynching Radfield day 1, hes generally a very good player as such hes been killed N1 of alot of games recently (PYPI was the exception as he picked bulletproof) for good reason. This is stupid, just because he says hes not good at PM games doesnt mean it takes alot of skill to lay a pm trap. Its just knowing how to play mafia in a reasonable manner, revealing it was a trap in my opinion was the only silly move he did there. On July 13 2011 01:58 OriginalName wrote: Also he could be lying about said pm skills to avoid scum shooting by appearing meeker. This is scum play 101. If I tell GMarshal I think he's town, he's going to find it more likely that I am town too. It's just the mutual trust thing. ON is very busy telling us various players are town sided so we can all hold hands in one happy circle while he kills us during night. He cannot commit to scumreads, but he's sure as hell willing to commit to town reads. Why a town player would ever do that? I have no idea. And finally, he posts some blanket statements and instructions on how to play. Those things are scum favourites, as they look like contributions but sure as hell they aren't. I'll give a few examples in the next few quotes. On July 13 2011 01:31 OriginalName wrote: It really depends on the scenario for gaining the item. I think the system should go something like this, Do I think the Item is boobied? If yes - Announce the damned contract if no - Keep it to yourself. Otherwise if your really scared about secrecy or weather its announced or not just write it in the contract that said person will announce that he has completed it with another player. On July 13 2011 04:09 OriginalName wrote: While this is true in theory, it should be based on such a thing as a Lurker who is posting fairly town or a lurker with weak opinions. We obviously lynch the lurker with weak opinions if there is a person we are on the fence about, that way we can buy ourselves time to look at the scummy active player who may turn out to be town and have solid scumreads for the remainder of the game. On July 13 2011 05:05 OriginalName wrote: Because its all mostly gutreads that I honestly have barely any evidence to back up with it. I cant go oh look their 100% after 5 posts from each of them. There has to be patterns. Sure one case can be scummy and look you pointed out my pattern of not really giving evidence. And now im responding because In sands case its mostly the Lynching lurkers for lynching lurkers angle rather than lynching lurkers because they're scummy. The last one is especially incriminating. He is making damn fucking sure that no one thinks he's convinced in his reads. Good plan, then people can't call you out for a bad day 1 lynch. No they'll be calling out the people who led the lynch. Well sucks for ON that it'll be him hanging. Not even love can save you now, scum. OriginalName is Scum ##Vote OriginalName | ||
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Your point number one is completely invalid, as the mafia would have no reason to take down a player they think are under suspicion, no matter how strong his play is. But on the other hand, I had exactly the same thoughts as you on your point number three, Radfield is simply too good at this to slip up like that on day one. I still like ON better as day 1 lynch. | ||
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Original Message From chaos13: If it was anyone who visited, that would be more of a problem. However, you place it between two specific players and it is only if one of those two visits each other that it is activated. As such, I have been recommending that one of the two targets be a strong suspect. On top of this, I think it is unlikely we have conventional blue roles. I think most of them will be like mine, involving only the ability to make or sell stuff. And this one, slightly later, I think I pointed a finger his way in the thread. Original Message From chaos13: -.- I try to be helpful... I don't see why you would turn this down either, cause you can only benefit from it. Oh well | ||
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I sent out pms to the people I actually think are town and haven't roleclaimed to me yet. If you scummy types want to, you can try to think of a believable roleclaim now. Except Chaos13, I don't give a shit what your role is, you're dying. | ||
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Like there is no way about it, Chaos cannot both have created a testament and a contract, that contradicts something syllogism told me this morning, long before syllo or I had any idea what transactions Chaos13 would claim. So please Chaos, explain why you're lying? And if he's in fact telling the truth, we nail Syllo. But yes, you guys have given statements that cannot both be true, and I think Syllo is telling the truth. | ||
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On July 15 2011 03:02 chaos13 wrote: Why would I be unable to make both a testament and contract? Stop rolefishing, scum. | ||
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Actually most of town knows. | ||
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Roleclaim to me please. | ||
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Will be around for 20 more minutes or so. I already have roleclaims from Kurumi, Syllogism, Sandroba, Radfield, Jackal58 and Chaos13 has claimed publicly in the thread. That means Heist, ON, Chezinu, GM need to claim. | ||
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That makes 1,345,000 kronos. But why aren't there additional 20,000 kronos missing from paying for your testament? | ||
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LSB: If anyone made a testament today, would he already have been charged the money, or does it get charged at daybreak? If Chaos isn't lying about the testament, then that slightly reduces the suspicion on him. I have the roles of everyone in the game except for heist. Although I'm inclined to disbelieve Chez being a bank. Some of the others may be lying but we can dissect that tomorrow. I still think Chaos13 is our best lynch tomorrow, closely followed by ON or Radfield. Chezinu is completely unreadable, but he is exclusively trolling this game so he is probably a good vigi target, as we're never going to get a read on him. Barring that, a DT check would be good. If everything goes according to plan I will reveal almost every role tomorrow, I think there's almost nothing important in the claims that I have gotten enough to warrant holding it back. Then we just continue on day 2 with mass claims. I will also reveal the order I got the claims in, I'm inclined to believe the later I got the claims, the more likely they were fabricated by scum, although this isn't really a strong tell. But most importantly, we can match claims to behavior and see who doesn't fit. Some claims need to be outed tonight in PMs, I have sent everyone all the information they need to continue playing this game. Good luck town. | ||
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Are you available for an IRC conversation Chaos13? Contrary to what you might think, I really, really want to hear what you have to say. | ||
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I don't know whom I should trust. Chaos13 left me all his belongings, basically his money. | ||
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If anyone targeted one of the following last night, I have to know. OriginalName GMarshal Radfield You _have_ to tell me if you visited or targeted one of those people. | ||
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Kurumi claimed to be a bus driver. | ||
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Radfield claims to have a paranoid-gun-owner type bat, and he also claims to be a goddamn veteran. That's pretty damn op. So, Jackal is basically confirmed town, and he gets the bat! | ||
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I am more than happy to share some information with you are willing to explain your thought without hiding them in clues. | ||
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Like, if you did start with more or less you have to claim in the thread. The entire game depends on it. | ||
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You see, remember last night when we were pressing chaos about the contracts? The reason is that Syllogism has an ability that tells him how much money is left in the game in total every night. At the start of the game we had 12 million kronos in the game, 1 million disappeared when tekkie died and another 1 when kurumi died. Chaos13 testamented his stuff to me. some cash also got sucked out of the game through LSB contract fees and testament fees. But here is the problem. ON has claimed started the game with 1.5 million, which doesn't fit at all. But the most interesting fact is that he claimed to have bought items from Nisani and paid 500k kronos for them, so now he has 1 million kronos. So that's lie number 1. Everyone started the game with 1 million kronos. ON is lying about his initial cash amount. And on to lie number 2. He couldn't possibly have finalized any contract with Nisani, because nisani got lynched so his deals would not have gone through. And then there is the tiny little fact that ON claimed a very shitty role. Here are some pms between me and him. Original Message From OriginalName: I Have 1 million atm i bought the probably boobied DT cloak for 500k (started with 1.5mil) and some bulletproof vest appeared in it last night Im not sure how though. LSB doesnt send me updates on whats in it unless I ask him, so It might be awhile before I can give you a full inventory as most of this is based purely off memory. OriginalName is scum ##Vote OriginalName | ||
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But the starting amount of money is a blatant lie. | ||
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On July 16 2011 00:36 OriginalName wrote: No I cannot conjure up money I STARTED WITH 1.5Million. I knew that was extra and asked LSB and he just said that was intentional. You see that doesn't fit with syllo's claim. In addition, that means 1.5 million should have disappeared from the game when the tekkie died, but only 1 million disappeared. I believe syllo. | ||
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On July 16 2011 00:42 OriginalName wrote: The only possibility I can see is that due to it being later in the day Nisani just forgot to take the 500k out of the vault. I dont get updated constantly on the contents so I asked LSB to send me a PM with whats in it right now, I will POST THE FULL CONTENTS when I receive them. But then syllo would've had the information that 12.5 million kronos were in the game at the start of the game :D | ||
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On July 16 2011 00:41 syllogism wrote: Can you show the PM conversation you had with nisani201. You've less than a minute As an alternative, you can just link us to your quicktopic. | ||
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You should have been the middle of the town discussion as you could've made it possible for all of town to confirm themselves by handing items over and back very easily, thus proving they exist. | ||
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I want to put 50.000 kronos in your vault. How can I do that? | ||
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keep it here for everyone to see. I want everyone in the game to have access to your vault | ||
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Radfield, you're taking that money out of the vault. I will let you know when I have put in 50k | ||
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You're going down ON. | ||
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Tell me what's in it at the moment? | ||
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he has agreed to that in pms | ||
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nice 1k posts thing. | ||
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And a bulletproof person who just probably shoot chaos13? Chez is very likely the SK | ||
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On July 17 2011 00:04 Chezinu wrote: Bank News GM Buyout The GM business could no longer keep up with the world economy despite the fact that Chezinu Banking supplied the company with a bailout of 50,000 Cheznos by orders of the Empress. Fortunately, a business man, or rather dragon-man, decided to take an opportunity to buyout GM in order to turn the business around. The name of the company will now be known as the Dragon Cave. "For where the treasure is.. there lurks a dragon to protect it" is the company logo of the newly established business. The Dragon, aka the dragon-man, states that the company logo rings true and he by no means sees himself lagging behind the world economy with wings that can soar pass the lands, spotting any intruders that may attempt to sneak into his cave. We're dt checking this guy tonight. | ||
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You should be glad you're about to be cleared, and thus your operation will be proven the best there is. | ||
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hoping that dt check cloak will save you when I check you tonight? | ||
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Radfield is a fuckton of scummy too, probably trying to bus his partner... or you're trying to save yours. But no, we're lynching ON tonight. | ||
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Anyway, time to hang mafia and sk. | ||
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and no, chez will be dt checked tonight. | ||
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On July 17 2011 23:29 Radfield wrote: Why is heist not in your assessment? Why don't you think I am the last mafia member? Umm that's what we think bro. | ||
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Radfield claims PGO - veteran, but jackal now has his bat, so jackal has become the PGO. That leaves Radfield as Veteran. And Kavdragon claims to be a hitman contractor, he can hit people whenever he feels like it, even daytime, by spending 1.5 million. You guys see where I'm going with this? We pay Kavdragon tomorrow for shooting Radfield. Confirms both their claims! | ||
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We use Chez's ability to transfer money to make the transaction, confirming chez's claim too! | ||
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Also, why did you ask for a dt check when you knew you were a pgo? trying to kill our cops? | ||
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On July 18 2011 00:07 Radfield wrote: Because of this I have become an obvious target for both dt's and vigis, possibly still medics simply based on who I am. I plan on claiming my role in thread to avoid anyone visiting me at night. Ask Palmar, as he is the one who dissuaded me from revealing my role in thread, even going so far as to call me stupid I said that you were not stupid enough to actually think that was a good idea. That's the thing, you're way smarter than the way you're playing. I've read pypi and I've seen you play in ccm, this thing is out of character for both your town and scum play. Also, trying to play exactly the same as green as when you're red is stupid, it only works one way. You should always try to establish you're green, even if that means smashing your metagame for when you're scum. Anyway, I think you're much better at town than you've showed us this game, and that's one of the big damning factors as to why I think you're scum. | ||
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we're killing him tomorrow. | ||
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On July 19 2011 08:34 Jackal58 wrote: I knew everything. I just liked to play dumb. Kudos to Palmar his play was fucking brilliant. And a million apologies to Nisani and ON. I could do nothing to save you guys. But I never ratted either of you out. Suggestion LSB, NEVER MAKE A GAME WHERE SCUM CAN WIN WITH TOWN AGAIN!!!!!! That shit was hard. thanks, you played your part well! And yes, Jackal never outed his team. | ||
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Also, it was so frustrating talking to syllo and sand this game without being able to explain everything. <syllogism> did jackal use his mine last night <Palmar> yes <syllogism> is that how kurumi died? <Palmar> he killed kurumi <syllogism> how <Palmar> Jackal knew kurumi said he'd bus ON and GM <syllogism> oh <Palmar> So he put it between himself and Kurumi, in case kurumi was lying <Palmar> turns out kurumi was lying, but as town <Palmar> which makes no sense <syllogism> god <syllogism> this game would be so much easier if townies always made sense and didnt lie <Palmar> yes <syllogism> but then chezinu's claim makes sense too | ||
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On July 13 2011 01:49 Palmar wrote: I'm pretty sure LSB Banking can tell the identity of an object, but is unable to tell anything about the condition of that object. If someone gives you a bulletproof vest, LSB will know it's a bulletproof vest, but is unable to tell if it's super powerful, broken, booby trapped etc. So you can't say to someone you're giving him a bulletproof vest, but really you're just giving him a gun, a flower, a book or a goddamn RPG. Anyway, stop trying to find holes in the rules and go play mafia. On July 13 2011 09:01 Palmar wrote: I think Sandroba is the most scummy player in town. Apparently he has developed a masterplan though that should break the game, should be interesting. GMarshal is another one to look at, I don't like half of what he's done so far. Anyway, I need to sleep. A thousand times goodnight. On July 13 2011 22:48 Palmar wrote: It's lynching time. OriginalName blahblabh Not even love can save you now, scum. OriginalName is Scum ##Vote OriginalName | ||
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On July 19 2011 09:17 sandroba wrote: They knew it from the start. Palmar was willing to lie to save jackal day2. nope, we didn't. | ||
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