Merc Mini 2

On July 13 2011 00:19 Palmar wrote:
I just want to say this, I'm very much an IRC user. If anyone wants to discuss with me privately, please feel free to poke me on IRC, I'm authed as Palmar and I have a box that's always on, so just leave a message if I'm not at the keyboard at the time.

For the game, Kurumi basically put forward a plan that involved not being stupid. It's not a bad plan, but it screams "I'm trying to contribute" to me. I don't really like it. And I'm definitely not following it, if I see fit I will announce my contracts, but it will not be a rule.

On July 13 2011 01:08 Kurumi wrote:
Also Radfield.. On the page 5 You said You'll announce who sold You the BP vest, but on this page You say we shouldn't announce contracts at all. It's a contradiction.

On July 13 2011 01:50 Kurumi wrote:
Guys, are we going for inactive lynch or scummiest person lynch Day 1?
Also Radfield smells worse and worse for me..
PM trap without good enough skills (thanks Palmar)
Role fishing (thanks Jackal58)
Contradiction about BP (possible trap for future?)
Wanted to buy:
BP
Votes (said it was a trap)
RPG

PM trap without good enough skills (thanks Palmar)

On July 13 2011 04:03 Nisani201 wrote:

Lynching lurkers might seem like a good idea in a large game, but in a small game like this I wouldn't recommend it. Lurkers almost always end up being Town aligned. And that lost townie, even if he's a lurker, carries a lot of weight because we can't let the Mafia outnumber us. In a normal game, a single lurker doesn't matter as much in terms of quantity.

On July 13 2011 04:08 GMarshal wrote:



"Kill people who aren't going to help you win"

On July 13 2011 04:39 Kurumi wrote:

The picture itself was just to make You say "Gentlemen" in Spy's voice, nothing else.
Also I love how people stumble by, say I am die hard trying to contribute, but I don't and just leave it here.
I like the ON-Radfield link. Sandroba is die hard on lynching me or Nisani without much evidence - he just ties us and calls us scummy, prefers lurker lynch instead of Radfield lynch, soft-defends Radfield.

On July 13 2011 04:46 Kurumi wrote:
Wait, You called Radfield lynch bad because he is a good player and it is highly likely that he will die N1 anyway? What's that bullshit? He might be a good player but it is not going to scare me, I think his behaviour was suspicious.

On July 13 2011 04:57 Kurumi wrote:
Ok ON, You gave me a "suspect" but made nothing about Yourself, I don't understand that. If someone's suspicious in Your eyes, why won't You announce it with something to back it up? While I agree sandroba's looking suspicious, that does not allow You just say "X is suspicious" and leave it here. Sandroba talks about me not contributing while not contributing, pretty obvious why it makes him suspicious and saying Nisani is supporting me is bullshit, he just said that my little analysis how screwed we can be Day 2 is a shortcut why lurker lynch is bad.

On July 13 2011 05:08 Kurumi wrote:

Just pointing out:
That's not how town syllogism posts.

On July 13 2011 05:11 Kurumi wrote:
I dislike meta, but now it came handy.

On July 13 2011 05:24 sandroba wrote:
OK, players I refuse to lynch day1 this game are
myself =)
syllogism
radfield
gmarshal

Everyone else is fair game. I'm liking ON as scum, he's making bland posts and not commiting, while soft pushing me as scum.

On July 13 2011 05:39 Palmar wrote:
Yeah, I don't really like sandroba at the moment. His list smells like a weak attempt at buying safety. There is no reason for a town sided person to exclude players from getting lynched day 1, it simply does not make sense.

But then again, I completely agree with Sandroba on ON. ON has done almost nothing but not commiting this game, he also randomly fos'd sandroba out of the blue. I was talking to him on IRC at the time, and he mentioned radfield/kurumi/nisani being scummy, but a little later I said Sandroba was scummy, and that's the person he fos'd. He basically went with my read over his own, which also smells like an attempt to buy friends.

On July 13 2011 10:07 heist wrote:
Just one thing I thing I found curious.



You only question syllogism. What exactly has GMarshall done to warrant a spot?

On July 13 2011 11:03 Chezinu wrote:
Can someone explain to me what Palmer, Kurumi, and Jackal58 have in common?

On July 13 2011 11:15 Chezinu wrote:

incorrect, Palmer and Jackal58 use the letter l not the letter I as you mentioned, which the lowercase is found in Kurumi.

On July 14 2011 02:04 Nisani201 wrote:
OK, I've made my decision.

##Vote: Radfield

On July 15 2011 02:27 chaos13 wrote:


Radfield. In conversation with GM in PM land (or perhaps someone else, or both, I can't quite recall), we came to the conclusion that because there was such an obvious split lynch on Nisani/Radfield, that one of them had to be mafia. Since Nisani flipped mafia, that almost entirely clears Radfield of being mafia, but it doesn't eliminate the possibility of him being SK. Apparently in this game we have to kill both SK and mafia to win, meaning lynching SK is just as good or better than lynching mafia. I've since changed my opinion on Rad somewhat. Keep an eye on him. Don't take him out tomorrow without really good reason. However, if he goes into lurker mode over the next few days he is scum.

Palmar, syllogism, and sandroba. These guys are the three main ones attacking me right now, and it is all based on discussion in PM's. I think one out of the three of them is scum, but I really can't say for sure which one it is.

Jackal58 and GMarshal. These two are both really good players, and they're both giving me a really bad feeling that I can't quite place the origin of. I almost always have a scum read on Jackal early on, so there may not be too much into this, but I almost always find GM to be the towniest guy in the game when he plays as town. If Jackal doesn't start contributing more and improving his scumhunting, I would consider him a viable lynch target. GM, you just need to keep a close eye on.

OriginalName and heist. Flying way under the radar. At the moment I really can't think of anything that stands out about either of them. Watch their vote patterns, watch how they interact with other players. Since their posting doesn't give much away, you need to connect them to other people who have confirmed alignments.

Chezinu. He's basically unreadable. However, with what went on with Nisani earlier, I think it is quite likely that he is town.

Remember, we only have a 12 player game. This means that vote patterns are going to be one of your strongest tool for connecting players. I encourage each and every one of you to keep a file on your computer with the final vote tallies for each day, and highlight players with their alignment color when they flip. For example, in a brief glance at this



we can see that Palmar, GM, and Chezinu all voted for someone who was not one of the two main candidates. This means that they do not have to be held accountable for being on a wrong lynch, while also not throwing votes onto Nisani. On Radfield we have four players. I am certain that Kurumi is town, and I know that I am, so that leaves Jackal as the only one whose alignment is in question. Shortly after this he switched his vote to Nisani, but it wasn't the deciding vote. Jackal's likelihood of being mafia just went up.


You guys want a roleclaim, so here it is.

Alignment: Town (Demolitions Expert)
Ability: You can make landmines at the cost of 350,000 kronos each
Inventory: 1 Land mine- You can set this up at night between two people. If either of the people try to target the other, instead they will be blown up.



I have created a testament as well. Everything in my possession will be going to a player I have a strong town read on. I was hoping this game would turn out better, but hopefully this post will be of some use when I flip Town.

On July 15 2011 12:19 sandroba wrote:
Chezinu is scum. There are two different kinds of trolling by chezinu. The completely useless one, when he only posts unhelpfull funny nonsense (see PYPI) and the one which he actively looks for mafia in a troll like fashion (see CCM and that other old game he was DT, forgot which).
This game it's pretty obvious which one that is.
Now let's look at chez actions: He claimed to have started the wagon against nisani, but that is false and an atempt to buy cred. I made the analysis and voted for him first. He then unvoted nisani out of the blue when he was close to getting lynched, possibly lynching Radfield. Radfield is very likely not scum, by occam's razor.

On July 15 2011 22:20 Chezinu wrote:
ON seems smart this game.. too smart...

On July 16 2011 00:28 Palmar wrote:
Actually scratch that, ON is a lying scum and deserves to hang tonight.

You see, remember last night when we were pressing chaos about the contracts? The reason is that Syllogism has an ability that tells him how much money is left in the game in total every night.

At the start of the game we had 12 million kronos in the game, 1 million disappeared when tekkie died and another 1 when kurumi died. Chaos13 testamented his stuff to me. some cash also got sucked out of the game through LSB contract fees and testament fees.

But here is the problem. ON has claimed started the game with 1.5 million, which doesn't fit at all. But the most interesting fact is that he claimed to have bought items from Nisani and paid 500k kronos for them, so now he has 1 million kronos.

So that's lie number 1. Everyone started the game with 1 million kronos. ON is lying about his initial cash amount.

And on to lie number 2.

He couldn't possibly have finalized any contract with Nisani, because nisani got lynched so his deals would not have gone through.

And then there is the tiny little fact that ON claimed a very shitty role. Here are some pms between me and him.





OriginalName is scum

##Vote OriginalName

On July 16 2011 00:33 OriginalName wrote:


I'm going to start with this, there is nothing saying there is or is not exceptions to this rule, and if you bothered to actually look at it you would realize I CANT BLOODY USE ITEMS. Another note is if you notice I had a vault with free access to items and money, I traded using that its not hard at all, money goes in money goes out item goes in i change vault password GG.

Stop assuming that everything is going to follow every single mechanic to the letter. Im convinced the item he gave me is boobied purely based off the fact that he even gave it to me.

On July 16 2011 00:33 Palmar wrote:
Well in his defense, he did claim he could make contracts free.

But the starting amount of money is a blatant lie.

On July 16 2011 00:35 syllogism wrote:
So can you trade stuff in real time

On July 16 2011 00:35 Palmar wrote:
So are you saying you can conjure up money?

On July 16 2011 00:36 syllogism wrote:
What's the point of the vault again

On July 16 2011 00:37 syllogism wrote:
Someone has to PM the host the password and he gets what's inside, immediately?

On July 16 2011 00:41 syllogism wrote:
Can you show the PM conversation you had with nisani201. You've less than a minute

On July 16 2011 00:46 Palmar wrote:


But then syllo would've had the information that 12.5 million kronos were in the game at the start of the game

:D

On July 16 2011 00:51 syllogism wrote:
Why didn't you warn people of these potentially dangerous items when Nisani flipped mafia Tekker

On July 16 2011 00:54 syllogism wrote:
Why did buy an item for 500k from nisani when you can't use items

On July 16 2011 00:57 Palmar wrote:
Can I put money in your vault?

I want to put 50.000 kronos in your vault. How can I do that?

On July 16 2011 01:00 Chezinu wrote:
OriginalName your Fired!!1 you have yet to supply me with my proper logo and membership card design! Not only that, but your a spy! Your the infiltrator!! You tried to rob my Bank!! OriginalName is an enemy of the Chezinu Banking System. The Spy planes confirm. There can only be one.. Trying to run your own vault... THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!!!! aside from LSB b/c he is cool!

##Vote OriginalName

On July 16 2011 01:13 Chezinu wrote:

I should have known... hiring ON as a Design Artist.. He he turn "on" me... He stole my vault.. he changed the passwords.. how could this happen?

On July 16 2011 01:16 Chezinu wrote:

I wouldn't bank on it.

On July 16 2011 01:18 Palmar wrote:
ON, I'm a chicken so I don't want to put anything in your vault of death.

Tell me what's in it at the moment?

On July 16 2011 01:10 sandroba wrote:
Also how exactly nisani suddenly discovered you had this role? Did you consider him townie enough to pm him so he could use your vault?
I don't think you are lying about your role btw. This role is great for mafia so they get to transfer their items before they get lynched.

On July 16 2011 01:27 sandroba wrote:
I'm asking how did he discover you were a vault.

On July 17 2011 01:46 Palmar wrote:
here's my artistic impression of the current events in the game.

On July 17 2011 06:18 Chezinu wrote:


The President of Chezinu Banking System would love to announce the bank's new logo that was designed by its newest Design Artist employee.

On July 17 2011 08:50 syllogism wrote:
ON I'm open to lynching Radfield instead if you make a solid case

On July 17 2011 12:25 Curu wrote:
Also note that the entire night post was purely flavour. There are no clues or hints in it. Palmar was arbitrarily chosen among those who voted for OriginalName to make a guest appearance.

On July 18 2011 00:58 Radfield wrote:
Well, lets not bother arguing.

I see why you think i'm scum, but I feel like you're blinding yourself to whats been going on.

I still don't understand why you guys are giving heist a pass. Was he the dt check last night?

anyways, I hate to draw attention to an after death post again but:



??

On July 19 2011 08:34 Jackal58 wrote:

I knew everything. I just liked to play dumb.
Kudos to Palmar his play was fucking brilliant.
And a million apologies to Nisani and ON. I could do nothing to save you guys.
But I never ratted either of you out.
Suggestion LSB, NEVER MAKE A GAME WHERE SCUM CAN WIN WITH TOWN AGAIN!!!!!! That shit was hard.