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Is there anything you can tell us to improve town play specific to this game type other than the obvious "don't be trigger-happy with your nukes"? (Maybe something you realized later on from these game mechanics, especially in dealing with fractured territories. Something not obvious from reading the game description) It seems like the biggest point of contention will be nuke policy. I'm just going to parrot everyone else and say to not use your nukes on personal instinct or any sort of gut feeling alone. It's a lot more suspicious if you just off on your own and nuke someone that you think is fishy. Rather, try to convince the town why a nuke would be appropriate. Having some town say on everyone's nuke use seems like the benefits will far outweigh the possible consequences of nuclear inactivity. Do we absolutely need a nuke policy? Can we trust everyone to be sensible? I hope so. After all, in this one aspect the scum are on our side. Perhaps we just let everyone go through the first nuke phase with their best judgments and then go from there to see if we need something more formal? | ||
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If he claims it'll take more than 1 nuke to kill him (and why wouldn't he if he's conspirator)... that's already 3 nukes. So that's 3 nukes per conspirator if we follow your procedure. With at least 3 conspirators, that's already 9 nukes (of course i'm assuming at least 3 conspirators don't die to mafia night kills or town vote lynches which doesn't seem too unbelievable). Plus the daily 1 or 2 nuke-lynches. Then the unaccounted random lynches which some townies may rashly do. If the mafia find a really advantageous situation to use their nukes I'm sure they will have no qualms. Coupled with "if i die, someone else is gonna die" mentality that was mentioned I'm just a little worried about the radiation count if we have a policy of using nukes everyday. I'm just laying out how this can go really wrong. You can only control the town with threat of death, which is flimsy at best. The only real advantage is double the opportunity for information, while powerful, will be for nothing if the radiation cap is reached. Going by your policy, even if everyone follows your plan strictly, sooner or later, conspirators will be launching their nukes and we will be using nukes on them after they have launched their own. Not only do we fail to nuke-lynch mafia, but the subsequent lynch will be ambiguous as mafia has no problem supporting the death of a conspirator. Also, I doubt the mafia nuke KP will be drastically hindered from a policy of going off the list as executioner. Probability is against us in that. They can easily claim to have 1 nuke while holding 2 or 3. Finally, if the first lynch is by nuke and we lynch all renegade nukers, how is this that different from GMarshall's plan? | ||
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If there are no renegade nukers, we vote to kill someone. But we use enough nukes to kill them with max of 2. So nuke is launched and 12 hour window has begun We then nominate someone else to lynch. The first nominated is free to do whatever even launch his own nukes. The second nominated, if he feels himself largely leading the second vote poll, is also free to launch his nuke. Both players die at end of day, one from nuke, one from lynching. Nuke and lynch take effect at end of 12 hours from start of launch. What exactly are the limitations of these abilities that stop nukes from detonating? | ||
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We can only fire one nuke at a time unless in retaliation. So if a renegade nuker nukes someone with no nukes, someone else will have to nuke him allowing him to launch a second retaliation nuke if he has more than 1. At least this is my understanding of the nuclear phase. It's just a lot cleaner to lynch them rather than nuke them as a policy | ||
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This is by far the best choice. An extra life against mafia night KP AND nukes is really valuable. Even if it was to just one person I would choose this. But realistically about 3 people will become veterans. Operation Gunnerside is not as effective when we are trying to limit mafia nuke use. Also, the 2-turn thing has me thinking we get no Allied campaign the next day. Of course, it can just mean a delayed effect, but why take the chance on an inferior option right? | ||
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"Whenever a nuke lands, the world’s radiation level increases by one. The real radiation level will not be revealed, but it will be fairly high." So the WRL reading will say 1 nuke, while actual WRL is 0. Launching a dud nuke will just muddy up our counter and cause confusion as to dud nukes vs nuke immunity. | ||
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Launching a dud nuke does not prevent anyone else from launching a nuke. Think about it. If the policy was only 1 nuke in the air at a time then why would we have a plan of using a nuke everyday? You just took out an extra life of GMarshall if he had any. I'm assuming it's like a foul ball in baseball. Fouls count toward strikes till the last strike. Also does this mean that day ends 12 hours from Palmar's nuke launch? | ||
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On July 06 2011 02:52 prplhz wrote: I like Watchtower. If we find a real scum tomorrow then the guy will probably launch all nukes before he dies. Watchtower prevents this and we eliminate scum nukes when scum dies. Dunkirk sounds alright too but relies on bad mafia and not good town. Gunnerside sounds a little weak since it looks like everybody accepted the GMdroba plan now. Also, if Palmar only has duds he should launch right now. Preferably at lurker. Anyone else find what he was urging completely wrong directions for the town? For one he advocated Watchtower. Not only will this stop our current plan from being implemented it is clearly and by far the worst of the three options from initial assessment. He even mentions the "plan" as a deterrent from Gunnerside but doesn't mention its implications in Watchtower. Dunkirk reasoning is just... what? Also he urges Palmar to launch dud nukes when its been stated that they won't do anything to stop other nukes. What benefit could he have possibly wanted from launching dud-nukes? Palmar's reason for sending the nukes was that it supports his credibility that he has no nukes (a little flimsy, but I'll take it for now) However this couldn't have been what he was thinking of when he urges Palmar to launch dud-nukes. What is prplhz's reasoning? I really don't like his judgments and am suspicious of anyone who supported Watchtower. No one else has posts this seemingly scummy (although Sinani's outburst has caught my eye) so I will be voting for him to pressure him. ##Vote: prplhz | ||
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In regards to Palmar, I don't really see how it does the mafia any good to send out a dud-nuke. He had to know that it would cause unwanted suspicion AND he didn't yet know it would go through extra lives. Sinani's response to pressure is just so wild and accusatory that I can't help become more suspicious. He still has said nothing of himself to ease our suspicions. Therefore, I will be changing my vote to Sinani. | ||
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Also, I think if the Conspirator dies AND we reach WRL cap then everyone loses. Killing the Conspirator will not necessarily remove the lose condition for WRL. Also, if you are who you think you are....calling them twats isn't very nice. | ||
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I come back to this lol. I'm sure you guys with your fancy nukes are having fun but think of the little people. Here I am, an honest man trying to make a living, and you gotta blow EVERYTHING up. JeeJee wtf. Sinani big wtf. Youngminii thanks for being so rash. Mataza gotta love that gung-ho spirit you got there. Honestly you were contained till other people just blew everything to pieces. Sandroba thanks for really opening up the floodgates on a personal whim. Perhaps if you had a little faith and better understanding of your own plan, we would be living in a better world right now. GMarshall I shall pray that you are town because honestly you're the type of guy that makes me want to believe you .... unless you're a cripple then you can go die.  Sandroba if you are a man of true honor you will vote to lynch yourself. Of all the nukers only you and Mataza will be getting away scot-free and of the two of you, I say we get the hypocrite. | ||
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conspirator=bad must lynch bad poeple Town - If you truly believe he's Conspirator it does the town no good to waste a lynch on him. We lose to WRL regardless if he lives or dies. He can't really hurt the town by his presence alone. Perhaps he has some other abilities but really that's just fishing for some reason, any reason to lynch him. Most likely he has no abilities and he can't do anything to affect the town. Mafia- You guys I can understand. Lynch Palmar and perhaps a potential mafia will not be lynched. However with the way our luck has been going, we're more likely to lynch town. It also does the mafia no good to keep raising WRL. If you keep your vote on him... well then you're just stubborn scum. I'm trying to get actual information from the lynch because as of now what does Palmar flipping town, scum, or Conspirator actually tell us? Nothing that I can see. If someone disagrees please enlighten me. | ||
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I can't believe I'm the one trying to hold up our agreed upon plan. What exactly is stopping mafia from nuking someone tomorrow if there are no repercussions except counternukes. We can all see how great of a deterrent those are... All it takes is one townie thinking they have a surefire read on someone and then boom mafia are free to nuke as needed. Also, I don't seem to recall any analysis of Deconduo being done (though I did read a lot of posts in a short amount of time) but a lot of people seem to think he's suspicious never really backing it up. Can I please hear some input on this? | ||
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I feel like we are just sidelining real issues with this. | ||
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I guess this is understandable if you are alone in Poland, but no town should be given the actual name of their leader. We only have their rolenames. People couldn't out their leaders even if they wanted to. | ||
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LOL @ coagulation. How about you tell me? | ||
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1. sinani206'ss nuke to Youngminii that gets redirected to Palmar but blowing up Brazil 2. JeeJee's nuke to sinani206 3. Sandroba's nuke on GMarshall that removes his final extra life. (supposedly) 4. Youngminii's nuke on Mataza that was thought to be shot down by GMarshall but was ineffective. Some questions: Who saved youngminii? Who saved JeeJee? Also GMarshall you look really suspicious. You choose not to save yourself. You send out an anti-nuke that doesn't save a townie. You don't die as expected from this newfound life you just figured out you have. Every action you do paints you as town but the actual results always seem to be something that doesn't always work as expected do they? | ||
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Anyhoo, JeeJee took the only option given to him if he was scum to claim a self anti-nuke. Or it could be the truth. I think it all depends on Youngminii and if anyone steps up to claim his anti-nuke. JeeJee clearly thought it an imperative to nuke sinani for nuking Youngminii. | ||
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Top people on my suspect list so far are Mr Wiggles, Coagulation, and prplhz. I'd really love for you guys to retaliate. I'll do an analysis when day begins depending on your responses. | ||
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One last thing. I think YM is town. Sure, no one claimed his anti-nuke, but given its power I can understand. Also the diverted target, Palmar, makes no sense for mafia. He was suspicious in a lot of the town's eyes and a popular lynch target. | ||
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He did not like deconduo, syllogism, and GM He did like Sandroba (saved him), advocated TAA JeeJee (he self-claims his antinuke and nukes sinani for nuking YM - suspicious) Take it as you will guys. | ||
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No one pro-town should lie and if only scum lie, there will definitely be overlaps. Also no one would take anything said as truth but just find contradictions. | ||
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seriously guys, no more nukes. JeeJee don't you dare. | ||
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Think about ULTRA. It reveals the targets of axis night actions. First of all, who they choose to kill is revealed by their death. Everything else will not kill and thus they can target themselves... or not. We have no way of knowing and in the end nothing can be really conclusive. STOP TREATING NUKES AS WAYS TO VALIDATE YOUR CLAIM. IT DOESN'T. TAA you might have only dud nukes or you can have nuke immunity or extra lives as scum. good job you increased the wrl for no reason at all. I want to see YM dead. No one shoot any more nukes or counter-nukes esp at YM. I don't believe him for a second. If he survives, lynch. This opinion won't change till someone comes out and claims his anti-nuke on YM. | ||
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This town is falling apart. ##Build spaceship and join Palmar Just the two of us Building castles in the sky Just the two of us You and I | ||
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I left a clue as to my leader. Who is it? I promise to reveal something from Caller which I think can really help this town. If you guys really don't want to play and be party poopers and argue thread derailment then I'll be  but I'll reveal anyways. I hoped to save this but with the state of the town. Oh well. | ||
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When the cripple stumbles to his knees and draws his final breath, the heavens shall open up and the wail of a thousand angels shall fill the air. And in his stead, chosen by trial of man, a new hero shall emerge, ordained by Heaven itself to seek justice The hand of God shall bestow upon the hero two fiery arrows to burn thy enemies Their mirth shall turn to ash, their eternal souls shall flounder in righteous fire And the archangel himself shall surrender his armor, believed to reflect all mortal metal. Vengeance shall flow swift and terrible. If trial precede death, perhaps a sacrifice be required? | ||
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So to my best guess, the cripple is Roosevelt (you'll see why I think so the next day). My ability is initiating the "trial". I can initiate the trial before Roosevelt dies BUT that's where the "sacrifice" comes in. He's gonna die if I initiate the trial BUT ONLY IF (very important if) he doesn't become the hero through the trial. (this is why it's only "perhaps" a sacrifice) I am going to initiate the trial for the next day. Roosevelt do not reveal yourself till the next day. This way he doesn't have to die and he becomes the hero. This all hinges on getting Roosevelt as the hero. I think its a safe assumption that the fire arrows are nukes and the armor some invincibility to night KPs. I'm especially excited as it says "reflect". Oh and the trial is a straight up popularity vote. | ||
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I want TAA dead too. | ||
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There is one thing I left out. Only three possible people can be the hero. I was really hoping to catch scum claim as Roosevelt, but as of now it's more important that I survive to night time to initiate. Hopefully I'm not the only one who can initiate. SUP BRAH! Your Brahglus Mackarthar of BRAHMERICA. When the cripple stumbles to his knees and draws his final breath, the heavens shall open up and the wail of a thousand angels shall fill the air. And in his stead, chosen by trial of man, a new hero shall emerge, ordained by Heaven itself to seek justice The hand of God shall bestow upon the hero two fiery arrows to burn thy enemies Their mirth shall turn to ash, their eternal souls shall flounder in righteous fire And the archangel himself shall surrender his armor, believed to reflect all mortal metal. Vengeance shall flow swift and terrible. If trial precede death, perhaps a sacrifice be required? You want to become brahsidient of the Fraternal States. As such, you may force a brahsidential election for the beginning of the next day, which is a third vote in addition to lynch and campaign votes. The higher of you or Franklin Brosevelt/Hairy Broman becomes the next brahsident, and if the winner would be lynched, the lynch is negated. If the player that is Frank Brosevelt player has not died yet, he dies of Brolio. You win with allies. You have a single nuke. | ||
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and thanks TAA for taking my quotes out of context. Did you even bother to read what I meant? And no, role-claiming NOT TO TAKE AS TRUTH BUT TO FIND CONTRADICTIONS was what I supported. Which seems a little hypocritical for me to roleclaim but I'll be easily proven town by next day when election is initiated. | ||
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The only people I trust are mig and drazerk. I will follow your plan and vote for kita but I really really want TAA dead. | ||
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prplhz calm down. its just a game. I had no intention of nuking you. I just wanted people to nuke TTA. Just so everyone wins. ##nuke: TheAwesomeAll He claims 3 lives. He even "tried" to nuke himself. He'll still have 2 lives if he's not lying. | ||
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On July 07 2011 12:02 heist wrote: Wow..... I come back to this lol. I'm sure you guys with your fancy nukes are having fun but think of the little people. Here I am, an honest man trying to make a living, and you gotta blow EVERYTHING up. JeeJee wtf. Sinani big wtf. Youngminii thanks for being so rash. Mataza gotta love that gung-ho spirit you got there. Honestly you were contained till other people just blew everything to pieces. Sandroba thanks for really opening up the floodgates on a personal whim. Perhaps if you had a little faith and better understanding of your own plan, we would be living in a better world right now. GMarshall I shall pray that you are town because honestly you're the type of guy that makes me want to believe you .... unless you're a cripple then you can go die. Sandroba if you are a man of true honor you will vote to lynch yourself. Of all the nukers only you and Mataza will be getting away scot-free and of the two of you, I say we get the hypocrite. "A better world shall emerge based on faith and understanding." - Douglas MacArthur Though I must say that is a pretty generic quote. | ||
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On July 10 2011 19:42 TheAwesomeAll wrote: i was only busy for a couple of days, its mostly because the scum dont really stand out to the town atm. Too much chaos and bandwagons going on, and when i tried to clean town up a bit it only caused more chaos 1. Admits to staying in the background as there is too much chaos to get an accurate reading on anyone. Not only is he lurking (very advantageous to stay somewhat in the background as town are just nuking each other) BUT what does he when he decides to contribute? Without any warning and without confronting me he decides I'm so scummy that I should die to his nuke. On July 11 2011 00:44 TheAwesomeAll wrote: that name claiming was 100 percent bullshit, now we lose the line builder. In retrospect nameclaiming was 100 percent blue fishing ##Nuke:heist 2. What's his excuse? He can only come up with one reason. I support roleclaiming. Did he conveniently forget Mig who was agreeing with me? If he had actually read what I was saying I was supporting roleclaiming for the sake of finding contradictions because mafia will be forced to lie NOT TO TAKE THEM AS TRUTH. Also if he actually bothered to be thorough, he would have known my talk of roleclaiming was before Caller even mentioned the Maigonot Line. No I believe he wanted me dead to prevent my abilities of giving a townie 2 nukes and night immunity. This is a very poor excuse for a nuke. Also bravo to really putting my quotes out of context. If he had bothered to read a few posts down he would have known I was joking that almost no one would be left standing after today's nukes making the lynch very straightforward. 3. He nukes me for supporting roleclaiming but he himself claims as a Brit veteran. Nice..... 4. 8 people have claimed to be a Brit. Someone is lying. | ||
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SAVE THE BAY (at least for today) This is the face of Kita: ![[image loading]](http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/SeaOtterFace.jpg) You can't kill someone like that, can you? | ||
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How about this? If no one saves me and I flip town will you change your vote to TAA? | ||
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But hey, you promised | ||
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Either we believe you or we don't. Same as kita. | ||
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