Real Time Mafia

On June 28 2011 14:37 Sinani201 wrote:


You're right, the exchange wasn't necessary. But he wanted someone new to talk, and he knew that I was online at the time.

On June 28 2011 13:24 Sinani201 wrote:


From this, it seems like you are either trying to help the Mafia, or softclaiming medic. Or perhaps trying to help the medic.

On June 28 2011 22:10 Palmar wrote:
only problem with lynching sinani206 is that the last game I played with him his combo was:

a) post fluff, lists and useless shit
b) claim veteran
c) get lynched.

It's hard to analyse people who we know act super scummy as town anyway.

But sure, he's the best idea so far, let's bandwagon this thing.

On June 29 2011 01:04 sandroba wrote:
Okay, go read syllogism big post about medics optmization and ask yourself if it makes sense for mafia to be posting that. Now go DT check drazek, because he's scum.

On June 29 2011 01:15 Vain wrote:
So, wait a minute, lets look at this for a moment.


And then goes to vote:


So, first he states one guy is scum and then he's like: "oh nvm that ill vote for the OTHER GUY"

wat

On June 29 2011 01:21 Sinani201 wrote:


Why am I suspicious? Explain.

On June 29 2011 01:26 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
YM and Syllo stop arguing with each other, you arent producing anything.


Who are you talking about? What do you think? cast your vote?
You are soft defending him, like really really soft. Almost as if you dont want to be associated with him if he were to turn red. Dont do that .
Also you are playing so defensive

what was that post about, who is accusing you?
FoS list

hiro
GM
syllogism
Drazerk

YM stop spamming, you are not doing the town any favors. Also arguing with Syllo will only does him favors if he is scum. In general these stupid 'fights' are really anti town since mafia can blend in, participate, post, with 0% slip chance.
Why is everyone ignoring GM?? I posted a LOT on him and no one is responding? Dropbear posted 2 posts 1 accusing GM 1 accusing *Henry* Drazerk comes in and Asking if anyone else felt like he did after that post of Dropbear. Removing all his responsability, then he waits for Palmar to vote before he votes.
Discussion derailed.
As pointed out above drazerk is obvious mafia,
But he isnt sitting back, hes actively derailing the thread so GMarshal doesnt get lynched

Drazerk do you think GM is mafia? Can you defend yourself? Do you think Hiro is mafia?

On June 29 2011 01:28 TheAwesomeAll wrote:

Do you really think they are both scum? seems a bit unlikely doesnt it?

On June 28 2011 11:54 GMarshal wrote:


Lets get this show on the road then. Activity is not going to create itself, and we need to make sure we have a working game.

Basically allow me to start with this little tidbit. Lurkers, this is your first and final warning. I will *not* allow you to lurk. If you aren't going to be active you are *very* quickly not going to be alive anymore. Consider it my... promise... to you.

gtrsrs. Hi. Pull shit like you did in SNMMIV, where you essentially sabotaged the town by creating a horrible day 1 atmosphere and I will absolutely *relish* your death. I don't want to kill you, but if you threaten this towns chances at victory I will.

Players who want to be trolls. Same applies to you, I will not allow it, period, not happening, not on my watch.

We will win this, we will kill scum, and no one is going to keep that from happening as long as I have the power to impede it.

Any questions?

On June 28 2011 13:27 GMarshal wrote:

This is the kind of stuff you REFRAIN from posting. If you think someone is soft claiming medic or DT or accidentally let slip their role then you DO NOT point it out.

The mafia might miss it, so its best if you don't call attention to it. By pointing it out you just painted a huge target on chaos13's back if he is town.

On June 28 2011 14:38 GMarshal wrote:
A pro-town atmosphere is one in which it is possible to scumhunt and read the thread without having to wade through crap. Its explained in Ver's town guide, but basically it means no mud flinging, no beating dead horses, avoiding unjustified OMGUS and generally behaving as gentlemen towards each other. If we do this we can generate and use information, it will also encourage newer posters to post. Thats the theory at least ^_^

To achieve this don't random FoS, treat even stupid ideas with respect (shoot them down, but theres no need to say "God you moron, you suck" just shoot it down) and behave in a way that makes people *want* to post and listen to what you have to say.

Also that post you pointed out is also similar to my post in the first 4 min of Closed Casket Mafia . Its a stylistic choice, and I really like the pictures of the grim reaper (not to mention I have like 12 I had ready for CCM, but then I was killed... ;_;) . Plus I hate lurkers, and I needed a conversation starter, so I chose to talk about them.

Any other questions?

On June 28 2011 13:53 GMarshal wrote:


A list for you then. Its split into three levels. People I know to be experienced or good, people who are not quite vets, but have played before and know what they are doing and people who are new/have few games that showcase good play.

Vets
3. GMarshal (Hi!)
10. youngminii (long time player, usually very aggressive)
15. Jackal58 (endgame player, you are familiar with him, for those not familiar with him, in my experience he is not the best day1-2 player, but really excels when we hit day 5-6)
19. sandroba (read Sleeper Cell if you need a good reason why he is on here)
23. Palmar (In particular his scum play in SNMMII)
25. ~OpZ~ (oldtimer as well, I'm not aware of what his last notable game, because it predates me. I also lack meta on him)
26. LSB (A decent player, as town or scum he comes up with decent plans and tries to lead the town. Prone to powerplays as scum)
27. Mr. Wiggles (another excellent player, he makes very compelling organized posts, but often comes off as scummy even when town since he tends to rehash a lot of what people have said. He plays a better than average game as scum, see his win with Kavdragon in Insane Mafia 2)


Mid-tier players
1. DropBear - played some really solid games and is a strong player overall. He has no showings of singlehandedly dominating however, he may be misplaced here and be a candidate for Vet status.
2. sinani206 - played a couple games, not awful, but lacking a solid game to make a judgment of off
5. Cthsazsa - active contributing newbie, a little too trusting and willing to take people at their word. Much potential, interested to see where he goes. (Oh and I keep accidentally thinking he is a girl. Sorry -__-)
7. Kenpachi - likes to lurk, is good with a gun, but I have yet to see him play a game where he takes a solid leadership position
8. Lanaia - only seen her play in Insane Mafia 2 where she had a decent showing. Caught on to Kav's BS when the rest of the town missed it. She is really experienced on IRC mafia.
12. hiro protagonist - played a couple of games, did decently, I lack meta on him, as I don't think I've been in a game with him before.
13. Mig -same deal as hiro, no meta from me, played a few games.
14. Rean - Played more than hiro and mig, has a tendency to lurk (if PTP is a basis to judge on). Makes good calls in confusing situations
17. chaos13 - played a bunch here and away from here, but I lack meta on him
18. Eiii - experienced player who both lacks self confidence and has a tendency to lurk hardcore.
22. VisceraEyes -as hiro. Played a few games, nothing spectacular IIRC
24. Vain - as VE.
30. Varpulis - had a couple solid games, nothing massive, but solid. Hates lurkers, so a man after my own heart

new players (no meta on these, obviously)

4. gtrsrs
6. aprudds
9. Torqez
11. Hyaach
16. TheAwesomeAll
20. Navillus
21. Sinani201
28. syllogism
29. Drazerk

Again, my limited meta knowledge on these players and relative rankings. Please no one take offense as these are IMO.

This is where we finish discussing vet lists. The won't give anymore useful information and will allow others to fake contribute with useless lists. I posted this by request and it should NOT be considered a contribution, as scum can do this as easily as town.Again, no more vet lists

On June 29 2011 03:36 DropBear wrote:
Whoa Drazerk, where did this come from?

As far as I can tell, you never really attacked Marshal in the first place. The only thing I can find is this and it's not exactly a wild accusation.


What's the deal with the big claim of changing your mind? You never really attacked him. Plus you decide GMarshal is not scum based on hiro's posts? DOES NOT COMPUTE explain plz

On June 29 2011 03:46 GMarshal wrote:


I second this, explanation please, what does hiro have to do with me? ^_^

On June 29 2011 03:51 GMarshal wrote:

Oh, I misunderstood that point then.

Did you form an opinion on hiro though?

If so what is it?

On June 29 2011 05:39 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Drazerk gives me really strong strong scum vibes. Though at this point it doesnt make much sense anymore. Care to explain why you started to attack the sinani's? Hitting them doesnt make sense to me at all, they are playing anti town, but not scum. Everything pointed at GM at that point. Killing them seems a bit premature. so if drazerkcan explain that a bit more would be nice.
syllo, stop taking everything so personal, and stop arguing makes you look bad/scum also makes it hard for me to read you.
Cya in the morning guys, hope i wont be dead <3

On June 29 2011 09:00 Cthsazsa wrote:


How in holy hell does your death guarantee GM as town?

Simply giving up without defending yourself is one of the scummy things to do besides lurking.
A real townie wouldn't simply say "Well your lynching a green your loss" and just give up. They'd be trying to defend the hell out of themselves.
I'm still convinced you're scum.

On June 28 2011 12:15 sinani206 wrote:
Blues should play however and whenever they want. I shouldn't even have to mention that the townie is the most important role in the game. Analysis wins games, not blues. Let's get some pressure going.

I'm pretty annoying, so I'm going to pressure ##Vote: Sinani201 into being active because I know how much time he spends sitting at his computer and I don't want him to die from lurker KP his first game.

If someone dies from lurker KP, do they get banlisted?

On June 28 2011 14:44 sinani206 wrote:
Pro-Town atmosphere would ideally be:

1. No taking lead.
   Being a "leader" seems really scummy to me. I just have this innate bias that leaders are mafia, and even though there is quite a slim chance of them being scum, if they are, town has already lost.
   
   
2. No spamming.
   As has been mentioned before, all spamming does is derail town. It makes posts hard to find and confuses people so that scum are harder to analyse and pin for what they really are.
   
   
3. Active scumhunting.
   Scumhunting is obviously very pro-town. It gives the town a good discussion point and helps (obviously) find mafia. No reason not to do this.
   
   
4. No lurking.
   Lurking is confusing for all players who aren't lurking. It makes you hard to analyse. Obviously with all the anti-lurking abilities in this game, it isn't much of an issue, but keep this in mind.
   
   

That pretty much covers it. If anyone has any additions, feel free to share. Keep all of these points in mind when posting and analyzing.

Off to play some SotIS and then go to sleep. Probably won't check the thread until morning. Good night folks!

On June 29 2011 03:13 sinani206 wrote:
*sigh*

Why do I always get lynched D1?

Drazerk and Palmar both have crappy reasons for voting for me. DropBear is the only one that had a good reason but now he's tunneling. GM is obviously a better candidate.

On June 30 2011 02:13 sinani206 wrote:
Just finished reading.

I guess that was a vigilante trying to hit a lurker?

Anyway, I will vote for VisceraEyes until he provides his analysis "coming up in a few minutes." If it is amazing (36 hours worth) then I will switch my vote over to Drazerk. If it is nowhere near the caliber you've been hyping, you get to keep my vote.

On June 30 2011 02:18 sinani206 wrote:
Oh, I forgot that compulsives can't shoot until day 2. You're probably right, syllo.

On June 30 2011 04:09 Sinani201 wrote:
You're trying to draw attention away from the large amount of votes you have accumulated. We have pretty much established that you are scum so why should anyone trust you?

On June 30 2011 04:57 sinani206 wrote:


GM.

I can't explain though, it's just so hard to get this out of my head. It may be because of his leading, but for some reason I just find him extremely scummy.

On June 30 2011 05:10 ~OpZ~ wrote:

Quick! Help me decide whether I vote to lynch you, or vote to lynch VE....I've been saying I was gonna vote VE for a good minute, but srsly looks like the DT breadcrumbed that he checked you. I didn't bold your name in the post I quoted, it was already bolded....I bolded the capped letters....

But it could be a coincidence, I can't make my mind up! Cuz in all likelihood you both could be town. It is day one...But a lot of talking has occurred over you and GM...

GM, I want your opinion on ViscEyes....

On June 30 2011 05:26 Mr. Wiggles wrote:


As far as I can see, he was the first one to mention it:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237124&currentpage=24

What reason does a townie have for martyring himself with 30 hours left in the lynch and then pointing out a specific game where he did the same thing as town? That looks like the bad self defense of a nooby scum.

On June 30 2011 05:41 Varpulis wrote:

did you not read the piece about regular vig's not shooting? Compulsive vig's have to shoot. I think that Drazerk is a perfect person to take that shot. There is no night phase. Go read the setup, please.

On June 30 2011 05:51 sinani206 wrote:
Of course you think I'm a better target because you don't want to die. lol

On June 30 2011 05:53 Drazerk wrote:


If I cared about dying why would I martyr in every game I join?

On June 30 2011 05:56 sinani206 wrote:


You're using the martyr thing to defend yourself again.

Do you not understand that dying is detrimental to your team?

On June 30 2011 05:58 sinani206 wrote:


Not in your case.

On June 30 2011 06:09 sinani206 wrote:


Also, you're "throwing it out there" on purpose to make people vote for me instead of you. That's a really scummy defense.

On June 30 2011 06:14 sinani206 wrote:


OK, how do I prove you "otherwhys"?

On June 30 2011 06:40 sinani206 wrote:
I think I may have pinned someone, but I'm not entirely sure about him/her yet. Give me a few minutes.

On June 30 2011 06:52 GMarshal wrote:

um? what?

If sinani is scum that would be idiotic of him. Im a fair bit more interested in why you came to this conclusion.

I thought you didn't mind dying?

On June 30 2011 08:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
@GM

206 is playing pretty standard to his meta...any game I've seen him as town in, he claims having a hard time coming up with stuff to post, when he does, it typically parrots others' analysis and isn't EVER a strong stance one way or the other.

Drazerk I have no meta on, aside from his game in SNMMIV. He DID martyr in that game, but I notice that he didn't bring attention to the fact that it's one of his "strategies" in that game. I think him bringing up his OWN meta in an attempt to verify his town status REEKS of scum, and it should to everyone else too. Meta is only useful if the person using it notices it on their own. It's absolutely useless if pointed out by the accused, as you then have to question whether or not there are ulterior motives behind it.

Drazerk's play can be described as.....erratic. That much is for sure. But I lean more toward scum in his case mainly because of the whole martyr thing. I did that once, I found it was a terrible idea and is WHOLLY detrimental to my team. I can honestly say that I'd NEVER play that way again. It's like saying 'Fine, if you don't believe me, I'll just sabotage your numbers so you have less of a chance to win'....hidden under the guise of 'so you can confirm me one way or the other'. It's wrong, I consider it cheating, and the fact that he's saying that he does it all the time makes me want to lynch him even if he's town.

Also, he attacked you...and you're one of the towniest townies that ever towned a town, imho. You might be a little gung-ho against inactives, but on this forum, that's just a happy byproduct of having played and hosted a TON of games where inactives LOST town the game.

So there, in a nutshell, why Drazerk over 206. I think 206 is newb-town and I think Draz is newb-scum.

On July 04 2011 20:43 GMarshal wrote:
Apologies for playing a god awful game, RL really fucked me over. I give myself the LVP award