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On July 01 2011 14:17 Cthsazsa wrote:
ebwop: Of course, this could be a major plot that GM is brewing up. He did say something along the lines of "depending on how the weekend goes I may or may not be able to stay in this game."
I also know that GM doesn't like losing, and actually I wouldn't be surprised if it's some elaborate plan of his.
It's a huge WIFOM conspiracy theory, and I personally hate conspiracy theories >_>
I never, ever use resources outside the game to try to influence the game. You should know this. Its cheating, and there is one thing I hate, its cheaters. (yes, more than I hate losing)
I would never use another thread outside this game to try to affect the results here. (and I wouldn't risk missing a Caller game [WITH NUKES!!!] if I could possibly avoid it).
Thats my last statement on this topic.
Would a kind vigi just shoot me now?
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On July 01 2011 18:01 Palmar wrote:
I agree with almost everything that has been said so far.
Great job Varpulis.
About the GM thing. It's extremely unfortunate that he hasn't been shot. What he's posting right now seems genuine, but it also isn't help the town any way. There are still way too may loose ends, and as some of us have noted, part of his posting looks like his typical mafia death. I would be all for confirming him town because he is a great asset for us if he is on our side. I have great respect for GM as player.
But there is simply no way we're letting him live through the game without confirming him. He has pulled way too many scummy things to do it. Yes, there are several things that point towards him being innocent, but so are there quite a few very incriminating things.
It's by far the worse alternative, but he has to hang.
I still strongly oppose using DT checks on the lurker list. Do you really think we have multiple mafia in there VisceraEyes?
But yes, us not having a one-shot vigilante would make perfect sense, seeing the lack of shots into the lurker list. We're doing great, let's keep on track.
Wiggles's points about the effect of Varp's death on VE's alignment are completely correct. This does not tell us anything about it. But at the moment I think VE is still a nice gamble for the town to trust. So we're not changing anything.
Take note. This is what is called pushing a mislynch. I'm not asking anyone to let me live through the game. We know theres a comp-vigi who shot DB this morning. Have him shoot me tomorrow. I'll claim when I get hit, if I'm lying then the comp vig knows and can shoot me. Guaranteed townie or dead scum, its win win. Doesn't even require anyone else to claim, I lie, I die.
Or you can waste a lynch.
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On July 01 2011 18:19 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 18:14 GMarshal wrote:On July 01 2011 18:01 Palmar wrote:
I agree with almost everything that has been said so far.
Great job Varpulis.
About the GM thing. It's extremely unfortunate that he hasn't been shot. What he's posting right now seems genuine, but it also isn't help the town any way. There are still way too may loose ends, and as some of us have noted, part of his posting looks like his typical mafia death. I would be all for confirming him town because he is a great asset for us if he is on our side. I have great respect for GM as player.
But there is simply no way we're letting him live through the game without confirming him. He has pulled way too many scummy things to do it. Yes, there are several things that point towards him being innocent, but so are there quite a few very incriminating things.
It's by far the worse alternative, but he has to hang.
I still strongly oppose using DT checks on the lurker list. Do you really think we have multiple mafia in there VisceraEyes?
But yes, us not having a one-shot vigilante would make perfect sense, seeing the lack of shots into the lurker list. We're doing great, let's keep on track.
Wiggles's points about the effect of Varp's death on VE's alignment are completely correct. This does not tell us anything about it. But at the moment I think VE is still a nice gamble for the town to trust. So we're not changing anything. Take note. This is what is called pushing a mislynch. I'm not asking anyone to let me live through the game. We know theres a comp-vigi who shot DB this morning. Have him shoot me tomorrow. I'll claim when I get hit, if I'm lying then the comp vig knows and can shoot me. Guaranteed townie or dead scum, its win win. Doesn't even require anyone else to claim, I lie, I die. Or you can waste a lynch. That means the compulsive vigilante, who is a great town asset, has to reveal himself to confirm you. It's not a trade worth making, in my opinion, especially since we seem to have a very competent compulsive viglante. You are not worth his life in your current situation. Normally you would be, but this game you have underperformed, and our vigilante has taken a great shot. And yes, once again, if this is a mislynch and people need an outlet to rage at if it fails, I'll take the blame for it. I make decisions, many of them are bound to be wrong, but I stand by them. Every time.
Comp vig dosn't have to claim...
He shoots me, I get notified and claim it.
If I lie about taking a hit then the comp vig knows Im scum and blows my head off.
If I dont get my head blown off I'm telling the truth.
Where does the vig claim?
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This is a reminder that discussing lists of "probable townies" is drawing targets for the mafia. look for scum, not townies.
I am off to argue with bureaucrats now.
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On July 02 2011 07:54 gtrsrs wrote:
they must not have sarcasm yet in singapore
I applaud your brilliant defense. Would you care to perhaps spice it up with a couple insults too? I mean the guy *did* just make a decent case. Obviously he deserves your disdain.
I do have to ask though, where is the gtrs that was 100% confident in his reads I saw in SNMMIV? Other than the very popular and indubitably wrong "GM is scum" I have yet to see you have any strong convictions. Hell I have yet to see you add anything to the conversation.
My scumdar is tingling.
Anyway, we are consolidating our votes right now, and I don't really have time to write a case on you that actually integrates what I saw in other games as compared to this one, but the obvious differences are there, for anyone with the patience to read. I'll take care of you tomorrow, if I have time.
Voting for YM now, I agree that there is something rotten in the state of Denmark.
Also, who was scum for wanting to lynch the dt again?
OHHH RIGHT, ME.
This is *why* we lynch the DT first. Imagine if chaos *hadn't* been shot, we'd still be arguing about how VE is "our dt hope"
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On July 02 2011 08:09 Palmar wrote:
No one trusted VE anyway GM...
Sure. Keep telling yourself that. But people were listening to him, no one doubted his report on Visc.
So tell me, how does your argument that I am scum based on wanting to lynch the DT stand now? Does it look... weaker?
What are the arguments for me being scum now? Other than defending Drazek, which I will admit was a blunder on my part.
Again, I'm cool with confirm shooting me tomorrow, but at least this makes the majority of the arguments against me null and void.
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On July 02 2011 08:15 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2011 08:11 GMarshal wrote:On July 02 2011 08:09 Palmar wrote:
No one trusted VE anyway GM... Sure. Keep telling yourself that. But people were listening to him, no one doubted his report on Visc. So tell me, how does your argument that I am scum based on wanting to lynch the DT stand now? Does it look... weaker? What are the arguments for me being scum now? Other than defending Drazek, which I will admit was a blunder on my part. Again, I'm cool with confirm shooting me tomorrow, but at least this makes the majority of the arguments against me null and void. My arguments remain the same man. If you honestly believed that we should lynch the DT first, why not just actually push for it. Note though, if you actually read through this day, I've both accused you with what I consider a pretty reasonable analysis, and then pointed out several points in your defense. I am much more interested in what you think about the current lynch targets. Youngminii and Sinani201.
I was going to push for lynching the DT, but then the entire town jumped on me, and I was tied up with other things at the time, so I said "fuck it" and just left the thread. It was that or an angry insulting rant, while those are fun and everything, I didn't want to ruin all my work for a good town atmosphere by shitting up the thread. So I just wrote a furious post defending my stance, deleted it without posting and left to do other things. Was it the best attitude? No, but seeing how pissed I was (not just at you guys, at the universe in general), I wasn't going to be able to argue without risking getting modkilled for flaming. It wasn't worth it, so I said whatever, I'll take the lynch.
I prefer YM over Sinani201 at the moment, based on the fact that there's still a GF out here somewhere, and I am convinced he is in the veteran list, that list is slowly narrowing down, I'm actually pretty sure one of us three that vied for thread control early on is scum, and I know I'm not, so its you or YM. I don't have a strong case against you (yet, maybe, I haven't gone back and read your posts as a whole again) and YM seems to me to not be playing anything like XLII, so I think there is an above 50% chance he is scum. However what is the most current case on 201? I need to take a look at him again
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On July 02 2011 08:23 gtrsrs wrote:
mafia shot viscera
i'm calling it right now
also surprise surprise GMarshal pops back in from his real life dilemma to try to start a late bandwagon
my scumbell lost some of its confidence when i pushed for a lynch on Xedat on a scumtell i was 100% sure of and he flipped green
was hyaach's case really decent? really? i don't think so. all he did was highlight my short posts and go LOOK SCUM. i retain that i haven't done anything remotely scummy this game and all my actions have been pro-town
note that i'm not counter-accusing him. i don't think he's scum, just overeager townie
anyways i'm 100% sure GMarshal is scum, still. he's trying to prod me into insulting him so i get modkilled. it's exactly the same way aprudds got me riled up in SNMMIV and derailed the town. GMarshal was the moderator so he is just trying to repeat the same tactic. but where aprudds was just misreading something, GMarshal is doing it intentionally to derail town.
*yawn*
I'm not going to argue about the honesty of my claims about problems in real life, theres no point. I did just spend approximately the last 6 hours arguing with scum... I mean bureaucrats... over the phone, so I may be a touch temperamental. However I *do* have a few minutes now I can dedicate to mafia now, and I decided I would. You have my most *profound* apologies for trying to play in a game I said I would play in, next time I will fit my schedule around your rigorous demands of not being called out for doing nothing for the town.
If I wanted to bait you, I'd have you raging by now, but gentlemen don't try to get other people modkilled, and I consider myself a gentleman
Please, for my amusement, point out a "pro-town" action you have made. Any such action will do.
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On July 02 2011 08:35 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2011 08:32 gtrsrs wrote:
actually come to think of it
if the mafia hit VE who was under a ton of pressure anyways
then claimed vig
they would be trying to lure the real vig out so they could snipe him immediately tomorrow morning
so i think if you are the real vig (which would mean ~opZ~ is lying) then you shouldn't claim
not that i expect this scenario but
that's what should happen if that's the case LMAO....Dude...Gtfo... I claimed it instantly, AND I HIT RED. But here. Just to make you hush about mechanics: Can Mafia hit another Mafia Member?
With 5 hits out there its *blatantly* obvious you are faking Opz. I mean you must be the scum aligned vigilante, or the serial killer, trying to gain town cred. ~Opz just lowered the scum KP by one, if he is mafia then he has balls of steel.
That is all.
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You say you can detonate your bombs at will YM? Does that kill you? (I'm assuming yes)
If so then we can spare you today and have you bomb me to confirm me tomorrow, killing two birds with one stone. That also lets the comp-vig shoot at will.
Can we agree to this?
Suicidal Hatters are *also* easy to confirm. I like conformable roles, they make life hell for the one KP mafia.
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On July 02 2011 09:38 youngminii wrote:
Yeah I'm down for that. I still can't believe a Vig never shot you lawlawlawl
Agreed, I was so pumped to get shot too.
Anyway, unvoting you and moving to sinani201, who was the other lynch candidate for the day.
Also I know sinani206 replaced, but can someone tell me who replaced him? I remember I was suspicious of 206, but I need to go back and look over his replacements posts.
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On July 02 2011 09:53 Jackal58 wrote:
I wasn't aware I was lurking.
Again, not fully caught up, I just don't remember any relevant posts from you, could be my bad ^_^
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Well thank god YM claimed hatter, as there goes my first plan for getting confirmed.
Also holly mother of god, thats a graph.
Now, who the hell do we vote for? 3 hours to come up with a reasonable lynch...
Anyone up for lynching hiro?
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On July 02 2011 10:09 Palmar wrote:
Wiggles.
I'm actually completely up for that. I'm suspicious of hiro, but wiggles is a good gf candidate.
Watch him claim something like Comp Vigi or hatter now 
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I trust that satisfies the question of "Is GMarshal the Godfather"?
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On July 02 2011 14:09 GGQ wrote:
Eiii perhaps? Maybe Vain?
Possibly hiro as well. One of the lower key players I think.
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On July 02 2011 14:41 ~OpZ~ wrote:
...K, who thinks the medics should role claim? Think about it...two vigi's with lurker shots, medics claim, who are probably lurking anyway, mafia KP is what, 1? Won't need the medics protection, too many confirmed townies around here....
But plz discuss this, its just an idea.
1.) How do you know scum won't fakeclaim?
2.) How do you know we have medics?
Seems like a less than brilliant idea to me...
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On July 02 2011 14:44 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2011 14:43 GMarshal wrote:On July 02 2011 14:41 ~OpZ~ wrote:
...K, who thinks the medics should role claim? Think about it...two vigi's with lurker shots, medics claim, who are probably lurking anyway, mafia KP is what, 1? Won't need the medics protection, too many confirmed townies around here....
But plz discuss this, its just an idea. 1.) How do you know scum won't fakeclaim?2.) How do you know we have medics? Seems like a less than brilliant idea to me... I would hope they do. It would mean we are 2 piss easy kills away from winning this.
I dont understand how it helps. Say two medics claim and one is scum. How do you tell from that?
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On July 02 2011 14:53 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2011 14:45 GMarshal wrote:On July 02 2011 14:44 Mataza wrote:On July 02 2011 14:43 GMarshal wrote:On July 02 2011 14:41 ~OpZ~ wrote:
...K, who thinks the medics should role claim? Think about it...two vigi's with lurker shots, medics claim, who are probably lurking anyway, mafia KP is what, 1? Won't need the medics protection, too many confirmed townies around here....
But plz discuss this, its just an idea. 1.) How do you know scum won't fakeclaim?2.) How do you know we have medics? Seems like a less than brilliant idea to me... I would hope they do. It would mean we are 2 piss easy kills away from winning this. I dont understand how it helps. Say two medics claim and one is scum. How do you tell from that? Look at his posts. Analyze him. Kill one. I don't think we wont be able to kill...-_-...Jeez, we're just looking for one person out of 17 or 18.... I'm confirmed Vig killed drop bear YM is gonna blow up himself Medics claiming would just shrink the pool of players to look through, because we don't need any protections to win.... I don't see how this is a problem. We would need 8 mislynches to lose if YM didn't blow up....
Fair enough, I just don't really see the advantages to the whole medics claiming thing, but we can run with it. What are you going to do if no medics claim?
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