On June 29 2011 06:43 Vain wrote: Ok, now what do you guys think about chaos13?
Nothing as yet
I still think sinani206 is the way to go. He is leading the voting then suddenly all hell breaks lose trying to save him and now he's not even on the radar. Now that he isn't a lynch target anymore, noone is arguing about the lynch at all. Everything is fine and dandy. It's all one-way traffic. If you don't like my analysis, look at sandroba's.
The only thing about Drazerk that concerns me right now is that massive post about how much he suddenly loves GMarshal. It was very out of the blue.
Let's look at the arguments made by the people who actually voted for Drazerk before TAA's death and the subsequent rush.
Other than Cthsasza who has been vocal and active, this little list is probably going to be a subset of Foolishness' lurker list. Cthsazsa while I disagree with you, you are trying much much harder than the fine folk who followed you.
On June 29 2011 07:55 sandroba wrote: @Hiro How about a reason to vote for him? I'm pretty confident syllogism is town.
I agree. I just looked through Syllogism's posts. While they may not necessarily all of opinions in them, only two of them seem somewhat pointless, which isn't enough to warrant a lynch.
Cthsazsa's analysis on Drazerk seems to be correct and I definitely think that he is scum. And thus, I place my vote.
##Vote: Drazerk
I didn't actually understand that first sentence. But all you've done is accept everything Cthsazsa said without question and jumped right on the bandwagon.
On June 29 2011 08:06 Eiii wrote: A agree with sandroba on this one-- though syll hasn't been super active or anything, none of his posts make me feel like he's trying hard to stay off the radar. After reading people's thoughts on drazerk and looking through his posts though, I can't say I get the same vibe from him. It even feels like people are trying to divert attention away from him at the moment, so that's where I'll hang my votehat for now.
##Vote: Drazerk
This is weak Eiii. Very very weak. Who was diverting attention away from him exactly? His lynch was going ahead pretty much unopposed. This is completely incorrect.
On June 29 2011 10:17 Kenpachi wrote: Pretty hardcore martyring. I use to rage when i martyred (when i was wee newbie too). makes you look more town. You are too calm to be town. ##Vote Drazerk
Reasoning: 1) your martyring is terrible. 2) you're a calm martyr.
Kenpachi's reason is because he isn't pissed off enough about being lynched and is based off his own behavioural tendencies. Not good reasoning in the slightest.
On June 29 2011 11:02 Navillus wrote: I just caught up and agree with Cthsazsa's analysis but I particularly think that this is weird
On June 29 2011 08:56 Drazerk wrote: Well looks like I am dead, At least when I am dead ill flip green Proving GM is innocent. Was bound to happen as I am always day 1 lynch suspect.
When I die you will be at a disadvantage but at least you will have a Guaranteed Townie. ( Medics better defend him don't let my death be in vain )
I'm off to bed
He suddenly not only doesn't think that GM is scum, but somehow came to the conclusion that he is a confirmed innocent, then lays it on pretty heavy
Medics better defend him don't let my death be in vain
And I actually think that this is him trying to pretend that he's all close with GM so if/when he flips red we attack GM deciding that they were together, the conclusion of this being: GM is probably town if Drazerk flips red.
##Vote Drazerk
This is interesting and is the most legit reasoning of the bandwagoners by a country mile. We shall see what happens I guess.
On June 29 2011 08:10 Lanaia wrote: Drazerk's been pretty jumpy and that's bothered me a lot.
I will be voting one of him and hiro after I reread the thread after I finish cleaning my room.
On June 29 2011 12:33 Lanaia wrote: I've reread this thread and have made my decision. Between Hiro and Drazerk, I feel Drazerk is less valuable to the town. I mean this in that we should lynch him over Hiro. Of course, everything I feel has already been said by others because they were obviously faster than me. I figured I'd inform you in this thread.
Lanaia this doesn't make sense at all. What do you mean by jumpy and how does being jumpy make one mafia? Everything you feel has been said by others. People have been saying a lot of stuff! Which bits are those that you feel? You've carefully avoided giving any real reason at all.
The extremely rapid bandwagon on Drazerk and the really poor reasoning presented for his lynch make me strongly feel that he's town. I'll be looking at some of these guys who jumped on him early.
Palmar this is interesting. I would like to hear your big case Viscera. I played with you in PTP and you attacked the hell out of people not this soft rubbish.
Eiii has a grand total of 5 posts in the thread to date. He is a member of the alarmingly fast bandwagon on Drazerk. He starts off with a bang! :D
On June 28 2011 11:54 Eiii wrote: ...I before E, except after C! unless that was intentional :D
Wasn't that inspirational?
Next is a brief attempt to get people to ignore Marshal.
On June 28 2011 11:59 Eiii wrote: he's just taking advantage of the lurker-killing mechanic to softclaim a KP role, I wouldn't worry about it too much.
Don't worry about him at all!
Everyone who has been accusing others of making contentless posts, I give you Fluff 101 by it's Honorary Professor, Eiii!
On June 28 2011 13:46 youngminii wrote: Varpulis, you're a GMarshal clone, your post is exactly like his opening post.
Which is pretty ironic if you put it that way.
Anyway, I find myself really not understanding these early days. A few players like to make big posts about how town should play, what down should watch out for, pro-town environment etc but they pretty much all say the same thing. They all seem to have more purpose than content-- that is, they're supposed to establish the posters as big names for people to pay attention to or follow throughout the game. And to be honest, the showiness puts me off a bit. If you're just going to say what everyone's heard before, why do it so loudly?
I promised myself I'd post my thoughts more, so there they are :B
Lists are whatever, they just let blues who don't know what's going on fall into the hands of a) mafia or b) some nice green dude.
He brings up "pro-town play", lists and flashy posters yet fails to give any opinion on whether he likes or dislikes them other than "puts me off a bit". You don't seem to want to tell us what you think Eiii! Your thoughts you promise are simply a list of all possible outcomes!
On June 28 2011 17:04 GMarshal wrote: Hint mafia *isn't* spamming, they are making simple posts that aren't quite lurking, but that serve no purpose, fluffy posts to be clear.
Isn't this exactly what he's accusing hiro of doing? The guy has ~7 posts in the thread, and as TAA points out most aren't stellar contributions.
Weak weak weak. Say something!
On June 29 2011 08:06 Eiii wrote: A agree with sandroba on this one-- though syll hasn't been super active or anything, none of his posts make me feel like he's trying hard to stay off the radar. After reading people's thoughts on drazerk and looking through his posts though, I can't say I get the same vibe from him. It even feels like people are trying to divert attention away from him at the moment, so that's where I'll hang my votehat for now.
##Vote: Drazerk
I covered this in my analysis of the voting on Drazerk. His reason for voting Drazerk is completely contradictory to what is actually happening!
CONCLUSION
Eiii is hiding like crazy! He says nothing at all! He is trying to keep people off his scumbuddy GMarshal! He is bandwagoning with very poor reasoning! Now that sinani and Marshal aren't under any pressure anymore he disappears without a trace!
EBWOP: I forgot to add in the point on Edward I's vote on Drazerk is that it is preeeeetty much just OMGUS. Someone attacks you and your buddy and you go running to kill him.
I don't think you're mafia dude but this isn't a good move. Your distant cousin Henry VI is another story however!
On June 29 2011 23:04 aprudds wrote: Can we stop FOSing 10 different targets and focus on one or two now? I'm getting completely lost at this point, especially after the kill on TAA.
I agree.
DropBear, you need to work on your presentation.
You said you wanted to lynch sinani206, then just chill with other cases until you're successful in that.
I do not understand what you mean? Presentation? Chilling?
I want to lynch Henry VI. I think GMarshal and Eiii are scum. I think the bandwagon on Drazerk is dodgy as hell and I'm very suspicious of the first handful on it, other than Cthsazsa. I agree with you that Viscera is playing oddly and I would like him to explain himself. I do not like hiro and syllogism as lynches.
On June 29 2011 23:18 Palmar wrote: You see DropBear, I'm totally willing to work with you, but you have to stop clusterfucking everyone around by trying to solve the game in one go.
Oh, and you did this as mafia in PTP... is there something that you're not telling us?
I'm not clusterfucking or trying to solve the game in one go. There are 3 people who I think are dodgy, that's a reasonable number is it not? There are others who have caught my eye but I want to see how things unfold first. I also have tried to explain why I think Draz, syllo and hiro are innocent.
I am also willing to work with you. So long as you don't shoot me :D
And yes there is something I'm not telling you, I just wasn't sure how to bring it up, but here goes. It was me who drank the milk out of the carton :o :o
On June 29 2011 23:34 chaos13 wrote: Well here is what I have seen after waking up and reading through the past few pages of the thread.
We start out with a bandwagon on Drazerk with seemingly no resistance. A DT dies, after he had been tunneling Drazerk. For some reason this convinces everyone to jump off of his bandwagon. MAJOR target deflection onto VisceraEyes, someone who it isn't likely TAA checked, based on his posts. Target deflection is a good way to resist a bandwagon without being obvious. On the VisceraEyes lynch, I see a bandwagon that is even faster and less resisted than Drazerks was. Let's also note that syllogism was gaining a fair number of votes before TAA died.
So tell me, what real reason do you guys have for changing your votes off of Drazerk? What really changed when TAA died?
Here is what I propose. A vig shoots Drazerk. We lynch syllogism or VisceraEyes. All three of these players have very good cases against them. Tomorrow a vig uses their lurker shot on ~OpZ~, a veteran player who has been lurking and is entirely aware of it, and doesn't seem to care about it. People have also brought up sinani206 again. After reading through his posts, he seems more like an inexperienced townie than a mafia.
Dude the votes went ON to Drazerk after the detective died. His vote count doubled in no time after TAA died. He was leading the lynch by about 10 votes.
I completely oppose the cases on both Drazerk and syllogism. Viscera needs to speak up and if I had to choose one of these three it would be him.
EPT
