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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
June 28 2011 17:51 GMT
#368
i'm not voting with town

now what
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
June 28 2011 17:57 GMT
#369
also, ilovejonn is mafia
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
June 28 2011 20:57 GMT
#402
rol what kind of no reveal game doesnt have a necrophile that can check dead peoples' allignments?
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
June 28 2011 23:29 GMT
#428
can we not lynch this guy please he's clearly not mafia

we should lynch the obvious mafia that i've already stated above^^
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
June 29 2011 00:33 GMT
#436
neither of the top two candidates are mafia

if it comes down to lynching a townie vs lynching nobody i will gladly no lynch. Yeah I said it. What are you gonna do about it? Shoot me? Please, my manhood will easily block any bullets and sodomization attempts. There's no reason to lynch obvious townies.

Unless, of course, everybody decided to become L and lynch townies for information, which we dont even get because of no role reveal. So yeah either we lynch a townie, a townie, or if you guys got off those dildos you've been riding in preparation for my preparation H bomb, we could get some mafia.

I've already listed suspect people. My question is why you guys are playing this game like you already have a dick up your ass.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
June 29 2011 00:50 GMT
#442
aite srsly guys for the last time

lurking =/= mafia
inactivity =/= mafia
trolling =/= mafia

"contributing" to town =/= town

if anybody doesn't realize this and considers themselves good, well, maybe you need to bend over to see just how low you really are.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
June 29 2011 01:02 GMT
#445
On June 29 2011 10:00 LSB wrote:
Day 1 Votes


With 16 alive it is 9 to lynch

deconduo (3) - Fishball, ilovejohn, LSB
VisceraEyes (7) - BloodyC0bbler, sandroba, Radfield, deconduo, Amber[LighT], RebirthofLegend, Jackal58
LSB (1) - Caller
Palmar (1) - Scamp
Kurumi (1) - Palmar
Amber[LighT] (1) - VisceraEyes
ilovejonn (1) - Kurumi

Not voting yet - Chezinu

3 Hours Till day ends



I would like to note that there is three hours till day ends and a lynch is better than a no-lynch. It would be best if we all focused on these two candidates.

Deconduo, and VisceraEyes.

fuck that, we lynch LSB. swap your votes now, or else I will sodomize all of you, even if it costs me my life.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
June 29 2011 13:08 GMT
#501
Aite here goes nothing
I’m vigilante, I used my one bullet to shoot GMarshal on Night 1. Why? Because I’m a prick. I also sodomized GGQ, but that was mafia killing him.
Anyways here’s how its going down;

Ilovejonn is scummy as shit because like Radfield mentioned Ilovejonn is more neutral than his neutralness Neutral Minister of Switzerland. He only goes after obvious trolls like me and Kurumi, while just mumbling about how “oh we gotta help the town and save the children.”

So here’s a post by post debunking of his posts.

Totally forgot VisceraEyes replaced chaoser. Point still stands but I guess we'll have to see what Vis posts.

~says nothing while still “contributes”
Oh and scratch what I said about Hesmyrr, forgot he was replaced by Palmar... stupid me.

~see above
Please, if you have time to post right now if you're at work or whatever then do it right now. I'd love to see how I'm the strongest case for Day 1 lynch. Oh, and what happened to we should lynch inactive/lurkers? If you can convince the whole town to lynch me when I'm at work 6 pm - 1 am I'll be amazed, and also depressed. Remember when Radfield said it a Day 1 no-lynch isn't too bad? Yeah, that's where I disagree with him. There are plenty of lynch candidates right now.

Also, what happened to the people saying we should never no-lynch yet are not doing anything about it. Look at how many lone votes on a single person there are. The way things are heading right now by deadline comes there won't even be a lynch if we can't come down to 2 targets max.

I'm going to hold off on Vis since he just subbed in and made points allowing us to see where he stand on things, but my vote stays on deconduo. I don't know what he is trying to do but it's not helping town. How can he prove after the night that he is a vig and shot someone and not just scum/SK? As been said by tons of people it's all wifom.

We can either buckle down on 1 lurker/troll and 1 person we think is scummy, better than having more than 4 targets up for lynch. Kurumi/Caller + deconduo would be my choices. FOS on people voting for no reason and people having a lone vote on very weak cases.

He does three scummy things here. Firstly, his defense isn’t “I’m not scummy because your logic sucks” or “Why lynch me when we can lynch xyz” but instead “Everybody but me is a better lynch.” Secondly, he says “look at all these people that aren’t acting according to town policy, we should kill them.” Who gives a fuck about town policy. Mafia are the ones that would tend NOT to break town policy openly like me and Kurumi are, because they don’t want to attract attention. On the other hand, I simply don’t give a fuck, and do what I want. If anything (and this is the third point), your “we should lynch inactives and unverifiable roleclaims” is a staple “I don’t want to attract attention please focus on someone so I can sheep along accordingly” tactic.

Anyways the only thing that’s preventing me from flat out shooting him tonight (well, aside from my lack of bullets) is the fact that he clearly hasn’t been paying attention to the thread. As a mafia, I know that I always double read my posts to make sure I didn’t make a slipup or a mistake. The fact that Ilovejonn has made several fuckups involving peoples’ names leads me to believe two things:
a) He’s a townie because his mafia buddies would’ve kept him updated, or he would’ve at least double checked.
b) He doesn’t give a shit about what’s posted in the thread as long as he doesn’t get killed. Which is scummy.

Gentlemen, I leave the rest to you.

Coming up next is why I voted LSB, why deconduo was legit, why Kurumi probably isn’t scummy, and why BC should be killed day 2 if he doesn’t do a certain something. All this and much much more in the 10 O Clock News.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
June 29 2011 13:31 GMT
#504
Why I voted LSB
LSB has dropped more one-liners than Horatio Crane.

On June 29 2011 00:28 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 00:27 Kurumi wrote:
LSB,read PYPI,I was Mafia here,together with Chezinu,Caller,Ace,tnkted and Gmarshal as a mole.
I will gladly answer everything.

Missed that game. All right, I'll take a look at it


On June 29 2011 07:53 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 07:48 deconduo wrote:
On June 29 2011 07:45 LSB wrote:
On June 29 2011 07:43 deconduo wrote:
On June 29 2011 07:42 LSB wrote:
On June 29 2011 07:35 deconduo wrote:
On June 29 2011 07:21 LSB wrote:
On June 29 2011 04:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I then use what I believe to be my most accurate reads to watch interactions between players like with LSB on Fishball/Deconduo, which if I assume I am right is a really scummy perspective to use.

All I'm saying is let us leave them alone and not bother to lynch either of them. I'm not getting that much warm fuzzies towards them and I don't see how your "I can't read Fishball" somehow means he is town.

Fishball- Generally has that I don't give a FUCK attitude, but his contributions are noteworthy. He's a notoriously difficult player to read though. I'd say likely town currently.

Btw I ran through Fishball's posts and I haven't really found any "Noteworthy Contributions", unless attacking Decon is noteworthy

And deconduo I don't like how he is drawing too much attention to himself as vig. From what I remember, viges shoot first and talk later here, not the other way around.


And mafia do want to draw attention to themselves? Yeah.

How about looking at all the people defending Fishball saying he has contributed a lot. Theres at least 4 people who have said so yet every time I asked them to point out a SINGLE post they have failed to do so. Palmar, ROL, BC, Kurumi have all claimed as such but refuse to back it up.

Certain mafia like to draw attention to themselves, certain mafia don't.

I just don't see why a vig would like to draw attention to himself. See, if Fishball was really mafia, the only thing that's gonna happen tonight is the roleblocker is going to pay you a visit, and all that's left is an angry town wondering why there is only one dead body.

As for people defending Fishball, well by the pigeonhole principle states that not all of them can be mafia, and certainly I'd like more proof of his contributions, but saying someone is mafia because people are defending him is pretty wifom.


And you know theres a roleblocker how exactly?

Because in nearly every game there is a roleblocker or some sort for balance purposes.


If there is a roleblocker and Fishball is mafia then yes, I will be blocked. Then I'm going to have a fun day tomorrow that will probably, given how most people are acting so far, end up with me lynched. However if Fishball is town then I'm sure mafia will be happy to let me kill him. Win-Win situation.

Exactly, so you see why a vig would never claim?


On June 29 2011 07:47 LSB wrote:
And it would be naive to try to argue that there isn't one.

On June 29 2011 07:45 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 07:43 deconduo wrote:
On June 29 2011 07:42 LSB wrote:
On June 29 2011 07:35 deconduo wrote:
On June 29 2011 07:21 LSB wrote:
On June 29 2011 04:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I then use what I believe to be my most accurate reads to watch interactions between players like with LSB on Fishball/Deconduo, which if I assume I am right is a really scummy perspective to use.

All I'm saying is let us leave them alone and not bother to lynch either of them. I'm not getting that much warm fuzzies towards them and I don't see how your "I can't read Fishball" somehow means he is town.

Fishball- Generally has that I don't give a FUCK attitude, but his contributions are noteworthy. He's a notoriously difficult player to read though. I'd say likely town currently.

Btw I ran through Fishball's posts and I haven't really found any "Noteworthy Contributions", unless attacking Decon is noteworthy

And deconduo I don't like how he is drawing too much attention to himself as vig. From what I remember, viges shoot first and talk later here, not the other way around.


And mafia do want to draw attention to themselves? Yeah.

How about looking at all the people defending Fishball saying he has contributed a lot. Theres at least 4 people who have said so yet every time I asked them to point out a SINGLE post they have failed to do so. Palmar, ROL, BC, Kurumi have all claimed as such but refuse to back it up.

Certain mafia like to draw attention to themselves, certain mafia don't.

I just don't see why a vig would like to draw attention to himself. See, if Fishball was really mafia, the only thing that's gonna happen tonight is the roleblocker is going to pay you a visit, and all that's left is an angry town wondering why there is only one dead body.

As for people defending Fishball, well by the pigeonhole principle states that not all of them can be mafia, and certainly I'd like more proof of his contributions, but saying someone is mafia because people are defending him is pretty wifom.


And you know theres a roleblocker how exactly?

Because in nearly every game there is a roleblocker or some sort for balance purposes.

On June 29 2011 07:21 LSB wrote:
Of course, both can't be mafia, and if you told me to pick one, I'd pick decon.

So
Unvote
##Vote: Deconduo

On June 29 2011 00:23 LSB wrote:
Oooh that makes more sense.

##VOTE: Chaoser

Placeholder vote. But I still think we should look at Kurumi


He’s also Lord Ispeculateaboutsetupinsteadofwhosmafiaasidefromeasytroll
On June 29 2011 00:46 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 00:27 Kurumi wrote:
LSB,read PYPI,I was Mafia here,together with Chezinu,Caller,Ace,tnkted and Gmarshal as a mole.
I will gladly answer everything.

Your aggressiveness is new (from what I've gathered), your mafia experience is not. So I'll stick you back in the null reads box since Palmar cleared up his analysis.

On June 29 2011 00:20 LSB wrote:
For the record if the deadline was tonight, I would be voting Chaoser for lurking. Of course, the deadline isn't tonight, so no need to hurry the decision. Now to look at Kurumi.

Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 21:56 Palmar wrote:
Hi, I want to write a little piece on the most helpful player in town. He thinks he's Ace, but he isn't. Also, he's bad. And he's scum.

On June 27 2011 19:33 Kurumi wrote:
GGQ was killed because he is lucky when it comes to being mafia,gg vigilante.


Nice analysis, only someone like you could honestly think such bullshit, but no worries, you can just hide behind the fact that "you're trolling".

Oh wait, that's bad for town too.


On June 27 2011 22:57 Kurumi wrote:
LSB,why the heck are You discussing night hits when we don't know shit,why do You suspect Caller killing GGQ? I know there are people with motive to kill GGQ,but betting it on Caller just because is dumb. I think we should leave Night hits for now.


If you know something that the town doesnt, care to share?


On June 28 2011 02:53 Kurumi wrote:
I will continue herping derping till something worth a while comes or two men in black come to my house.


ok, so you're not only being deliberately bad, but you're also refusing to try to help. There's nothing to it but scum.

Can we just shoot him yet?

Intresting analysis. But why does "trolling" make someone mafia? If trolling makes someone mafia, shouldn't Caller also be in that list?

Now to add my own two cents. (Please correct me if I'm wrong) I haven't played with Kurumi yet, but a quick overview over his posting history shows that he normally isn't this aggressive. In addition, I don't believe he has played as mafia yet here, and the first time as mafia is always difficult. Could the aggressiveness be a sign of defensiveness? Or did I skim over his posts in XL too much?


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On June 28 2011 21:56 Amber[LighT] wrote:
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On June 28 2011 21:37 deconduo wrote:
I have two trains of thought going on at the moment:

-Fishball is mafia. Mafia are scared that I'm going to kill him so they are trying to get me lynched. I would put Fishball, BC, Kurumi as scum. Other possible suspects are Palmar, Jackal, Chezinu. Radfield, LSB are probably town.

-Fishball is town. Mafia are just lurking away happy at the fact that nothing is going on. Chaoser, ILJ, sandroba would be my biggest suspects. Radfield, BC, Caller (*sigh*), probably town.

If you put a gun to my head, given how the game has played out so far, my gut says option number 2 right now.

If you want me to say something like Fishball is 100% town or 100% mafia, don't be dumb. Its day 1, theres not exactly a lot to go on. I don't know anything for certain. I do know that Fishball has been pretty unhelpful so far. When he was asked nicely to step up his game he refused. When he was threatened to step up his game he refused. As such, unless a better target presents itself, I'm shooting him tonight.


No you're not.

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Ooh that's a clever flowchart, doesn't seem that fun but it helps

On June 29 2011 07:21 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 04:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I then use what I believe to be my most accurate reads to watch interactions between players like with LSB on Fishball/Deconduo, which if I assume I am right is a really scummy perspective to use.

All I'm saying is let us leave them alone and not bother to lynch either of them. I'm not getting that much warm fuzzies towards them and I don't see how your "I can't read Fishball" somehow means he is town.

Show nested quote +
Fishball- Generally has that I don't give a FUCK attitude, but his contributions are noteworthy. He's a notoriously difficult player to read though. I'd say likely town currently.

Btw I ran through Fishball's posts and I haven't really found any "Noteworthy Contributions", unless attacking Decon is noteworthy

And deconduo I don't like how he is drawing too much attention to himself as vig. From what I remember, viges shoot first and talk later here, not the other way around.

On June 29 2011 07:42 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 07:35 deconduo wrote:
On June 29 2011 07:21 LSB wrote:
On June 29 2011 04:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I then use what I believe to be my most accurate reads to watch interactions between players like with LSB on Fishball/Deconduo, which if I assume I am right is a really scummy perspective to use.

All I'm saying is let us leave them alone and not bother to lynch either of them. I'm not getting that much warm fuzzies towards them and I don't see how your "I can't read Fishball" somehow means he is town.

Fishball- Generally has that I don't give a FUCK attitude, but his contributions are noteworthy. He's a notoriously difficult player to read though. I'd say likely town currently.

Btw I ran through Fishball's posts and I haven't really found any "Noteworthy Contributions", unless attacking Decon is noteworthy

And deconduo I don't like how he is drawing too much attention to himself as vig. From what I remember, viges shoot first and talk later here, not the other way around.


And mafia do want to draw attention to themselves? Yeah.

How about looking at all the people defending Fishball saying he has contributed a lot. Theres at least 4 people who have said so yet every time I asked them to point out a SINGLE post they have failed to do so. Palmar, ROL, BC, Kurumi have all claimed as such but refuse to back it up.

Certain mafia like to draw attention to themselves, certain mafia don't.

I just don't see why a vig would like to draw attention to himself. See, if Fishball was really mafia, the only thing that's gonna happen tonight is the roleblocker is going to pay you a visit, and all that's left is an angry town wondering why there is only one dead body.

As for people defending Fishball, well by the pigeonhole principle states that not all of them can be mafia, and certainly I'd like more proof of his contributions, but saying someone is mafia because people are defending him is pretty wifom.


In other words, in about 15 posts LSB has not said one goddamn thing and got away with it. He's either a blue or scum, and I feel LSB would be far more aggressive if he were a blue than he is now.

This has been the 9:15 news.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
June 29 2011 14:05 GMT
#509
Why Kurumi isn’t scummy
Kurumi is a self-admitted not good at mafia player. That means he is more prone to making the typical scumslips that mafia would make. Either that or he would totally clam up like he did in PYP. Yet Kurumi hasn’t slipped up: if anything, he’s acting just as troll here as he is normally. He’s playing VERY aggressively, calling people out, not even pretending to be contributing, and etc. Mafia DON’T do this. Especially not good ones. And since he hasn’t slipped up in like 10000 posts, I think he’s either a normal townie, or a suicide bomber.

Why BC is fishy:

BC always has all the mafia by day 2. Unfortunately, he also usually dies by Day 2. BC hasn’t contributed much-well, he has contributed, but not in the sense that I’m talking about. He’s just acting… so damn fishy. I can’t pin anything on him because there’s nothing to pin him on, but he’s just acting so damn fishy that my gut says to keep an eye on him.

more to come when I feel like it
RoL just scumslipped
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
June 29 2011 14:23 GMT
#511
On June 29 2011 23:19 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 22:31 Caller wrote:
In other words, in about 15 posts LSB has not said one goddamn thing and got away with it. He's either a blue or scum, and I feel LSB would be far more aggressive if he were a blue than he is now.

Well... I don't really have annul to tunnel day 1, and I don't find anyone one else convincingly scum. So I'm sitting back for now

Oh yeah, and you kindof missed a few larger posts that said some stuff in that massive wall of text. What's up with the widesweeeping generalization?

why dont you enlighten us as to the nature of these posts
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
June 29 2011 14:46 GMT
#513
On June 29 2011 23:25 LSB wrote:
Like what? the only one that I can think of that is useless when taken in context is this one
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 00:23 LSB wrote:
Oooh that makes more sense.

##VOTE: Chaoser

Placeholder vote. But I still think we should look at Kurumi

they're all useless and say nothing. Show us why you don't think they're useless.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
June 29 2011 16:02 GMT
#519
On June 30 2011 00:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 23:05 Caller wrote:
Why Kurumi isn’t scummy
Kurumi is a self-admitted not good at mafia player. That means he is more prone to making the typical scumslips that mafia would make. Either that or he would totally clam up like he did in PYP. Yet Kurumi hasn’t slipped up: if anything, he’s acting just as troll here as he is normally. He’s playing VERY aggressively, calling people out, not even pretending to be contributing, and etc. Mafia DON’T do this. Especially not good ones. And since he hasn’t slipped up in like 10000 posts, I think he’s either a normal townie, or a suicide bomber.

Why BC is fishy:

BC always has all the mafia by day 2. Unfortunately, he also usually dies by Day 2. BC hasn’t contributed much-well, he has contributed, but not in the sense that I’m talking about. He’s just acting… so damn fishy. I can’t pin anything on him because there’s nothing to pin him on, but he’s just acting so damn fishy that my gut says to keep an eye on him.

more to come when I feel like it
RoL just scumslipped



Rofl?

Caller don't skew shit. The most reds i have ever had by day 2 is 2 of like a 6 man team. I also usually live into day 4-5 more often than not. You literally have no idea what my town play is like.

I will let people go back and look at my game history and realize i'm not full of shit. If the only thing you have to make me seem "scummy" is my "meta" then chances are i'm not red. For shame caller, you know better.

no i don't
fishycobbler
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
June 29 2011 16:34 GMT
#524
On June 30 2011 01:31 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 23:46 Caller wrote:
On June 29 2011 23:25 LSB wrote:
Like what? the only one that I can think of that is useless when taken in context is this one
On June 29 2011 00:23 LSB wrote:
Oooh that makes more sense.

##VOTE: Chaoser

Placeholder vote. But I still think we should look at Kurumi

they're all useless and say nothing. Show us why you don't think they're useless.

You're avoiding the question.

All you did was take my posts and collectively say their useless to try to build some kind of 'contribution' cause people have been on your back for trolling.

you have no question. It's very obvious why they are useless. Your job is to explain to the town why you think the rest of your posts have any merit at all when they are just euphemism for HMM DE HMM.

also seeing as how nobody is ccing my claim I think we can conclude that I
a) killed GMarshal with my one bullet
b) am a Vigilante
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
June 29 2011 16:43 GMT
#526
On June 30 2011 01:39 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2011 01:34 Caller wrote:
On June 30 2011 01:31 LSB wrote:
On June 29 2011 23:46 Caller wrote:
On June 29 2011 23:25 LSB wrote:
Like what? the only one that I can think of that is useless when taken in context is this one
On June 29 2011 00:23 LSB wrote:
Oooh that makes more sense.

##VOTE: Chaoser

Placeholder vote. But I still think we should look at Kurumi

they're all useless and say nothing. Show us why you don't think they're useless.

You're avoiding the question.

All you did was take my posts and collectively say their useless to try to build some kind of 'contribution' cause people have been on your back for trolling.

you have no question. It's very obvious why they are useless. Your job is to explain to the town why you think the rest of your posts have any merit at all when they are just euphemism for HMM DE HMM.

also seeing as how nobody is ccing my claim I think we can conclude that I
a) killed GMarshal with my one bullet
b) am a Vigilante

I haven't ruled out the possibility that you are the SK, or if the Mafia has access to a one time second KP.

a) Nice to know that you know there's an SK. Have something to share?
b) you're wifoming out of your ass here. by that argument it turns out im actually an insane dt that was bussed onto a dead guy. Also you didn't answer my question.
c) I would shoot you now if I could. I really, really want to. But ruining GMarshal's day takes priority.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
June 29 2011 18:39 GMT
#534
On June 30 2011 02:17 sandroba wrote:
Caller, pardon me for being skeptic but I don't buy your claim at all. Let's look through the facts shall we:

1) You trolled most day 1, called people scum for no reason and called deconduo and viscera obvtown for no reason either. Yet you failed to push the people you deemed scum with analysis, you just wanted town to not lynch.

2) Decon got modkilled, he claimed vig. Now you claim vig. Nice.

3) You claim to have shot GM, for no reason either, just because. Really? Why in hell would you shoot GM, if even you did not think he's scum? Also Mafia shot fucking GGQ? I went to his posts and fail to see why in hell mafia would shoot him. My theory is that decon shot him and now that he's dead you are claiming to have shot GGQ with no one to counter claim your bullshit.

You are spreading doubt like there's no tomorrow and fucking up this thread.
You are scum. So is VisceraEyes.

1. lol, as if I give a fuck about being lynched. And I wanted town to lynch. I just wanted them to lynch obvious active lurking LSB whom has suddenly exploded with activity as soon as I provoked him, not obvious townie Kurumi and herp derp inactivity Viscera whateverhisnameis. I also did it to provoke people.
2. ironically, its because of the modkill that I can't explain my reasoning for this.
3. i) IS THAT A SCUMSLIP I SEE?
My theory is that decon shot him and now that he's dead you are claiming to have shot GGQ with no one to counter claim your bullshit.

I'm claiming to (and did, thank you very much) have shot GMarshal. You still think I shot GGQ. Why? Was it because I claimed to have sodomized him? Then why do or did you not jump on that remark? I think I know the reason. It's because you shot GGQ. Combined with your sucking up to GM before I proceeded to shoot him in the face, combined with your not asking questions on why GMarshal died, I think you just went from "possibly stupid townie" to "herp derp mafia."

Especially when this is your response otherwise:
On June 28 2011 05:30 sandroba wrote:
@Caller What made you suspicious of GGQ in the first place? I see some people explaining how GGQ was a good vig hit, but you haven't done so yourself. Why did you hit him?



ii) If it wasn't mafia it sure as fuck wasn't me.

sandroba, in case you didn't notice, decon had, just like me, one bullet. And he still had it. And he didn't claim that he shot GGQ. Why would I claim I shot of all people fucking GMarshal? Besides, why the fuck would I claim vigilante if I was mafia? Of all the damn roles in the game to claim, especially in a CLOSED setup, where I could easily say "oh I was veteran I took a hit last night" just to throw the town into even MORE confusion, seeing a potential 3 night hits, why would I claim vigilante? No, as you said, it's far easier to defend your fellow mafia.
On June 25 2011 19:04 sandroba wrote:
I've thought a lot about this and came to the conclusion that mafia's optimal strat is going to be defending their team without fear, since no flips mean they keep hidden even after a scum lynch.


p.s. i read the rest of that post, and it don't matter.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
June 29 2011 18:49 GMT
#535
On June 30 2011 03:36 ilovejonn wrote:
Sad, if the only thing you've got is that I'm posting "neutral" and only going after obvious trolls. Go read my post on why I voted deconduo. Btw if you've been posting like you've been posting before all these things I would've still went after you. How on earth are we supposed to determine one's alignment if all they post is trash? It's like Kenpachi all over again.

Ironically, posting neutral and only going after obvious trolls is a very "safe" strategy, one that players do when they don't want to risk their lives to get mafia. You know, players like... scum.


I find this to be quite hilarious. My "defense" didn't consist of whatever you said because a) there was no logic behind people making 1 liners calling and agreeing that I'm scum (you're the first here), therefore I would not have been doing “I’m not scummy because your logic sucks” and b) “Why lynch me when we can lynch xyz” is exactly what I did. Selective quoting much? Have you read all my posts? I mean hell, even in the post that you've quoted at the end I said that we should lynch you/Kurumi and deconduo. How is that not providing an alternative to lynching me? c) If you want to interpret me saying "I'd love to see how I'm the strongest case for a Day 1 lynch" as "Everybody but me is a better lynch" then you're wrong. I've always said that we should be having 2 targets max and I stuck with one of mine the whole day.

Brah, you basically said "I don't care who among Caller/Kurumi/Deconduo we should lynch as long as its one of them" which basically is "anybody but me." Literally, no, it wouldn't make sense. But Mafia as a game would totally fail if everything was meant to be taken literally.

By your 2nd and 3rd points. Not giving a flying fuck and your general attitude although not making you scum, isn't really pro-town either. If townie were to be like this because it shows how they are attracting attention to themselves therefore they're not mafia, then we'd probably have a no-lynch every Day. Is that what you want? It is exactly these kind of people besides scum that we need to get rid of in order for the town to have a clear focus, all townies should have to be on the same page in this no-flip game or we won't be able to accomplish anything (like Day 1).

Pro-town. That's a phrase I use a lot. When I'm fucking scum. If I'm not scum, then unless there's a village idiot role (and there isn't), I by definition must be "pro-fucking-town." And you seem to know a lot about who's scum and who isn't. Also, what the fuck is "getting rid of these kinds of people?" Are you an L smurf or something? Or just mafia?

On a side note, if you're saying that I'm playing "safe" or "neutral", I remember Radfield saying he'd push for me after work. Then he gets off work and goes "oh dear, no one did the work for me to push for ilj while I was gone? oh well I'll just hold off til tmr to post more about him." He also said that I was marginally a better lynch target because I'm scummier than both decon/Vis, yet he "didn't want to provide more targets to the fray." THAT imo is playing safe. If you've got time to post at work, truly believe that I'm a scummy target, you would have had the balls to convince town to switch their votes to me. I'm sure with so many lone votes that people would've been willing to switch over if you did so. But why didn't he do it? He's afraid. He's afraid that people won't switch, and he's afraid people will tell him off that what he just did was to cause more confusion to town by adding more lynch targets. Also, he has been spreading fog everywhere and making me seem like the bad guy out of everything. Notice how all he's been doing is agreeing with people that I'm scum, yet wants other people to do all the work for him? Caller helped, and now Palmar has been calling me scum without saying anything besides that. And then he told people to mull over my posts and see how neutral they are, and potentially come up with their own conclusions. Radfield was leaning townie from the beginning, but now he's just more and more scummy in my eyes.


Radfield is going to be killed between now and Day 3. Don't worry about him. For now, let me summarize your argument as this:

Caller says ILJ is playing safe/neutral, therefore he is scummy.
ILJ acknowledges he is neutral (read above) but denies that makes him scummy.
ILJ says that Radfield is playing safe/neutral, therefore he is scummy.
Therefore, we establish that safe/neutral = scummy. And since ILJ acknowledged he is neutral...
... do I really need to spell this out for you?
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
June 29 2011 18:52 GMT
#536
by the way, Ace is probably laughing his ass off that a combination of my stupidity + other stupid townies is going to get town in a circlejerk of lynching ourselves while mafia trollololol in the background. I see you there, RoL.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
June 29 2011 20:02 GMT
#538
On June 30 2011 04:58 sandroba wrote:
@caller LOL nice that you nitpick on the fact that I mistyped GGQ instead of GM.
How can you tell that decon had 1 bullet?
And about defending teamates, isn't that what you have been doing with viscera all along?

The quote of deconduo is he jumping on kurumi when he thought he was claiming to have killed GGQ. That supports my theory, which I have stated above.

wat
alright no point arguing with scum who dont even bother reading the thread
too bad i have no bullets left
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
June 29 2011 20:36 GMT
#541
NOPE.
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