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can i get /in ? still technically a noobie :D | ||
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get me some trancestorm up in this bitch and it's a PARTY | ||
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On June 17 2011 03:36 omgCRAZY wrote: Are you sad you don't get to play with iGrok? to say i'm just sad would be an understatement no free win this game  | ||
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On June 17 2011 05:48 Xedat wrote: Omg I'm so excited for this. I read all the rules twice and just want to ask to anyone willing to answer (before the game starts) since these were not answered in the thread rules: 1) Since PMs are not allowed, how would mafia communicate with each other? 2) Once someone dies whether it be by votes or mafia hit, will their roles be revealed? Thanks and GL everyone! (I've only played SC2 Mafia before and got hooked) Naaa, just kidding, please don't try to lynch me ;-) Hmm, a bit suspicious no? Right when the PM are getting sent out too. Scum slip? | ||
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On June 17 2011 06:49 Mataza wrote: Curiosity ^doesn't get it at all | ||
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On June 17 2011 07:03 Xedat wrote: http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3vh2 oh my god i lirl'd so hard poor mataza XD pretty soon he's going to be intentionally fucking up vote tallies to get back at us | ||
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you know one thing i never understand? how exactly do games get started? like where does the first FoS come from? i know last game it was because freeloader asked a rookie question and some mafia hopped on it. but other games i feel like there's nothing to go on. i'm hosting a full-role game on another forum right now and there are like 4 posts per day between 20 players because everyone just tries to win at night and no one wants to talk in order to not get suspicions on them. it's super frustrating to watch because it's boring as hell but i kinda see where they're coming from. anyways MAYBE I SHOULD SAY SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS TO GET US STARTED | ||
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On June 18 2011 06:13 Treadmill wrote: Well, I'm gonna start by tossing out something that should be fairly obvious. If we have a DT, they should claim as soon as they hit a red. With only 3 mafia members, getting rid of a single one would be fantastic, and drop their KP right away. Obviously they shouldn't claim if they only hit a townie (though they maybe should claim to stop a mislynch? No so sure about this). I think we can safely ignore the possibility of the set-up being the roleblocker, 2 goons, 9 townies, because that would be stupid. disagree at all points since we potentially have a roleblocker (who i might accidentally call a "hooker" as habit from epicmafia, just a heads up), the mafia doesn't actually need to kill a power role to nullify it. they can hook it all game and go after other townies since a confirmed DT that can't provide reports is worse than the possibility that there's a DT out there somewhere. a DT should only *definitely* claim if he's got a guilty when there are TWO mafia left. there are no millers in any set-up so his reports will be 100% accurate, and narrowing us down to 1 mafia from 2 (especially if that means a 50% chance at hitting a roleblocker if there is one) is better than sacrificing his power to get a single goon. IMO. also i don't think it's safe to ignore any set-ups as possibilities. while it would certainly make for a less "fun" game, there's strategic merit in every set-up including the almost all-'nilla set-up. just "assuming" we have blue roles would benefit the mafia, as we may wait for a medic save or detective report that never comes  for reference on this page, these are the possible set-ups: 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 7 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 9 Town 3 Mafia Goons, 1 Medic, 8 Town. 3 Mafia Goons, 1 Detective, 8 Town. | ||
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On June 18 2011 06:41 Treadmill wrote: I was ignoring that possibility more because of the strangeness of a role-blocker with no roles to block. I suppose that GM could just be screwing with us though. oh herp. you're right i didn't even consider that. yes it does make it seem less likely on the other hand the mafia won't know the set-up either. with the 2 goons and 1 hooker they could think that there are power roles so it's a mindfuck to them too. i guess it matters less to them since they want all of us dead regardless if we bleed blue or green but yeah anyways we should keep the set-up possibilities fresh every couple of pages and update it or eliminate possibilities after every kill. also it should go without saying but if we have one, the medic should never claim unless he is going to be lynched or unless one of his confirmed saves is going to be lynched. he doesn't have to lay low (see GGQ's post at the end of mafia XL about how a blue should play) because he doesn't WANT to look like a medic, but he shouldn't broadcast his role unless it the town is lynching his clear. maybe the medic can claim in a LYLO situation but i'm hesitant to say the medic SHOULD claim in LYLO because the mafia will likely claim medic as well. play it by ear | ||
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On June 18 2011 07:41 Drazerk wrote: We should find out if there is roll blocker asap that's a great idea Drazerk and i approve 100% now, how do you propose we go about finding out if there is a roleblocker? | ||
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On June 18 2011 08:31 Treadmill wrote: It wouldn't be bad at all. DT is good because they let us know where the mafia is. If they aren't doing that then they are useless. We don't score points at the end for how many blues are alive or something. DT claiming as soon as they hit red helps us by a. giving us a verified lynch (either the person accused or the person who claimed DT must be mafia with no miller/framer/whatever) and killing 1/3 of the mafia b. preventing a possible mislynch (any lynch based on posting is less accurate then one based on DT check) c. it also gives us information to find the other mafia members from the vote list, posting, etc. it doesn't work like that scum can just as easily say "i'm the detective, i have a guilty on gtrsrs" and who am i to say they're lying? likewise if the real detective comes forward and says "i'm the detective i have a guilty on gtrsrs" then i can easily step up and say "no I'M the real detective i have a guilty on treadmill!". with no mafia dead and a potential roleblocker alive, the DT is fucking himself by outting. you need to do it strategically also we can't simply go on whether or not someone claims roleblocked because as someone said, mafia can claim roleblocked. a roleblocker doesn't have to block either, so he might not block and we go "oh hey no roleblocker we must be in set-up XXX" when they're just pulling our legs. basically we need to do this via scumhunting until certain conditions are met, and only THEN should people start claiming | ||
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don't back down bro i'm gonna go ahead and piggyback off that freeloader you got your free pass last game you freeloader. you know well enough by now that posts like this \/ On June 18 2011 10:35 freeloader625 wrote: You sound angry. Was it because you failed to lynch me last game? :D Seriously though, I'll contribute more this game. Pinky swear! accomplish nothing. so instead of posting this, why don't you make an analysis or contribute in some way | ||
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On June 18 2011 11:48 gtrsrs wrote: don't back down bro we have to start by applying pressure to someone minus whale be freeloader since we gave him a freebie last game | ||
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i'm leaning to someone else but no need to *not* vote for the lurker at this point in case i can't get on later ##vote: Lord Vatti | ||
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i think the logical thing to do for now is to remove your votes from Drazerk in my earlier post i said i was leaning to someone, and that person is Drazerk, but the point remains that Lord Vatti is suspiciously MIA. here's what potentially could happen: 1. Lord Vatti is townie without a role, saw that he didn't have a role, and afk'd out of the game. he will be modkilled. he could even be mafia but i doubt it. 2. the town votes for Drazerk on what can only be described as moderate-at-best suspicions. 2a. Drazerk flips townie. we're now down 2 townies and 0 mafia. it's as if 2 nights have passed (via 2 mafia kills) but we'll only have the info from 1 night's worth of night actions (if we even *have* any blues). 2b. Drazerk flips mafia. our hunches were correct. high five town. 2c. Drazerk flips power role. oh shit, his increased activity was because he's got a more prominent role. fuck our lives. 3. the town votes for Lord Vatti. since he was queued up to be modkilled, we lose nothing, and get a free night of investigations, potential saves, both, or neither. so with all that in mind, and noting that i'm NOT defending Drazerk (for he is my FoS at the moment, but it is an extremely weak FoS), i still think we should pile the votes onto Lord Vatti instead. best case scenario we kill an afk mafia. worst case scenario we lose a townie that we would have lost anyways. if we keep our votes on drazerk, the worst-case goes up to losing 2 townies. so with that in mind, i think that until Lord Vatti shows up to contribute, no matter how big of a hunch/suspicion we have of Drazerk, we should not vote him until we're all present. once Lord Vatti shows up i'm all for pressuring Drazerk, i just don't want to lose 2 townies on day 1 | ||
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how fair would this game be if, when we lynched a townie, mafia got 2 kills? that would suck right? well numerically, mislynching today would be the same. let's say Drazerk flips town. now mafia gets "2 kills" in Lord Vatti and someone else. at least Drazerk has the POTENTIAL to contribute at this point. LV's contributions are absolutely nothing. i'm glad you brought up the vigilante point aprudds. don't we know too well that just because a vigilante CAN kill someone at night, doesn't mean he SHOULD? likewise, now that lynching is our only KP, just because we CAN lynch someone doesn't mean we HAVE to, especially with a modkill on the block. and i know i look so scummy for this but i'm gonna stick with my guns here and ask you to vote for Lord Vatti til he shows up to give some input. this might just be the epicmafia vet in me speaking. but when we have someone who is actively lurking, we vote for them. most of the time once the votes pile up, they show up in the discussion. but if not, vote-kicking them is the best way to progress the game, as they would have "vegged out" and died anyways. as soon as LV shows up i'm happy to throw my vote on drazerk. but for the time being, i have *minimal* suspicion of drazerk. i'd rather make a harmless vote than vote for someone based on minimal suspicions. of course as soon as LV shows up, the *minimal* suspicion will be my greatest suspicion so i'll change then. but please don't let mafia jump up to a 3 kill advantage this early | ||
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for now i am just afraid of starting the game down 3 townies instead of 2 | ||
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i knew i would regret trying to play smart this game. note to self: when playing with rookies just tunnel someone. take your votes off me i'm not scum. it's father's day, look at who's starting the bandwagon and who's jumping on it on me, assuming that i don't have time to mount a defense. well surprise surprise queers, I DON'T HAVE A FATHER. anyways if the town wants blood that badly i'll go ahead and make a case for someone. again i don't have strong suspicions towards anyone but i won't let the town shoot itself in the foot and try to lose just before the voting deadline. zzzz brb winning the game for town | ||
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On June 19 2011 17:46 freeloader625 wrote: It's time for my contribution. I actually had written up posts last game but never had a chance to actually post them up. I even had a Day 1 full defensive post but by the time I finished writing the tides have changed and rookie bandwagon couldn't be stopped and no longer had any reason to post it. Man that last game was hectic. take a look at this crock of shit. how come no one has called him out on this? hey last game i was actually getting my dick sucked by a fortune-telling gypsy, that's how i knew iGrok was mafia. and now that i've typed it it's true, no one can question me on it! no, freeloader, you hadn't written up any big posts last game. you're a bad player piggybacking off good players. put down the keyboard son, we don't want to read your essay full of non-logic. On June 19 2011 17:46 freeloader625 wrote: Early post of game gtrsrs attacks me based on no evidence at all. In fact as apprudds pointed out, his post reeks of oxymoron, his attack is, “your post doesn’t help” when in fact his post doesn’t help either. So aggressive, but I understand why you would do this. You want me to speak up and post more. This would be a pro town play. actually no you *don't* understand. i wasn't even attacking you here. in fact, my little grain of sand, i was pushing aprudds to not be so wishywashy. look at page 7 of this topic. aprudds pressures Drazerk and then IMMEDIATELY says "oh ho ho no no i'm not suspicious of you!" a couple posts later he jumps on freeloader's nuts then IMMEDIATELY says "nah brah i ain't mad lololol" DEFINITION of wishy-washy. my post was intended to get him to keep his pressure on. he claimed he'd attack anyone for anything to prevent a boring game? okay then don't back down (ironic in the end that it'd be me he keeps railing on :facepalm: ) On June 19 2011 17:46 freeloader625 wrote: Then his attitude changes from attacking to “no vote” passive play right when Drazerk picks up some serious heat with 3 votes and with "better evidence" than he had to attack me. Mighty scummy. Why wouldn't you wait to see his response? This play, gtrsrs makes a bunch of posts but at the end contradicts himself without seeming like it, therefore you just made your prior posts worthless. You seemed so out for blood earlier but now you don’t want any of it once drazerk is mentioned. You don't even wait for his defense. Why not? Weren't you pushing for all townies to speak up? Contradicting plays are usually what scum do, which in last game pushed the votes out and scored town the GF with a very close vote by one. You try to justify your change to passive play, while trying to convince all townies to do the same. You claim to be not defending when actually defending and buying time. You first wanted to attack players for information, but now you try to say we should back off, cut our losses instead and be completely passive. Er what? So are you trying to get information out of players or are you trying to seem like you are trying to get information from players? Typical scum play is early on pushing hard to seem pro town and gain credit, but then later on try to convince players to instead to do the anti town play without town realizing it. In this case the the antitown play would be not voting potential scum drazerk to see his reaction and do nothing instead. He hasn't even posted anything yet! i'm going to assume you're in second grade and they haven't taught you subtraction yet. let me set this up in a way that's easy to understand we have TWELVE (12) players this game. the 1 holds the ten's place, it doesn't mean 1 + 2. 10 + 2 = 12. when we subtract 1 from 12, we get 11. when we subtract 2 from 12 we get 10. when we subtract 3 from twelve we get 9. now, think back to the winning conditions of this game for mafia. when we lose enough townies, so that our town population equals that of mafia, we LOSE THE GAME. SO WHY THE FUCK WOULD WE WANT TO HASTE OURSELVES TO THAT POINT? you're claiming i'm mafia because i want to no-kill? YOU ARE RETARDED. MAFIA WANTS PEOPLE DEAD. if i was mafia i would explain why so-and-so are scum so we could lynch them with little-to-no-info. at the point i voted for lord vatti, we had NOTHING to go on. NOTHING. take a look again at what we gain by RANDOM lynching on day 1 with a modkill on the block. 1) we lose a townie in Lord Vatti (12 - 1 = 11) 2) from a townie standpoint, assuming that you wouldn't vote for yourself, and you're not voting for Lord Vatti, you have a 3/10 or 30% chance to kill mafia on day 1. 30% chance to... what exactly? we don't reduce their KP by killing them. if there even IS a roleblocker we've only a 33% chance (10% overall) to hit him. so 10% to give our hypothetical blues a free reign? now look at the MUCH higher probability of lynching a townie. 70 FUCKING PERCENT OF GIVING THE MAFIA A FREE KILL. do numbers even REGISTER in your head? are you willing to lynch on a 30% guess?? on day 1 with our votes spread out the mafia *will not bus*. they can dilute the votes enough to keep their scumbuddy from dying. we will not get that lucky on day 1 unless we have a really solid case, which we didn't. ON TOP OF THAT, WE ALSO HAVE A CHANCE OF RANDOM LYNCHING A BLUE. On June 19 2011 17:46 freeloader625 wrote: Yet you seems so fast to defend him. If he flips green we made the wrong choice but at least we have effectively increased our chance to lynch red by having a list of potential suspects based on voting patterns and bandwagon jumpers. WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT THIS LIST? no, didn't defend him. claimed he was my FoS. i also said that as soon as Lord Vatti showed up and contributed, i would be happy to give my reasons to lynch Drazerk. if we're all present, and minimal suspicion is all we have to go on, i'm happy to go on that. but when we have a free mafia kill lined up, i'm not going to risk 70% chance of hitting a townie on a fucking HUNCH. i will make my case against Drazerk next if necessary but for now you WILL take your votes off me. scum is already bandwagoning onto me and losing me this early will be a dire mistake. in fact i will go so far as to say town will not win if i get lynched day 1. you are game-throwing if you vote for me. | ||
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