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Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 29 2011 13:09 GMT
#63
/in
Looking forward to this
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 05 2011 21:25 GMT
#308
Hi, just got home after a 6 our train ride and saw that the game already started. I don't have th e energy to read through the posts now, I will read them in about 10 hours and say something useful then.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 05 2011 22:20 GMT
#310
Generally, you can only "know" if someone is mafia by their voting and their posting. If you do a lot of helpful posts you seem to be town. If 32 of the 40 people would post a lot of helpful posts we could be sure that the rest are highly probable of being scum. Especially on day one it is important for people to say a lot so we can read the. That means that it is in your interest for the town to be active if you are town and the opposite if you are scum.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 06 2011 12:47 GMT
#402
I just read through the whole thread, it looks like people started more useful posts later on, reading through pages 8-17 was a chore.

I think it is established that freeloader625's question is not a scum tell, as GGQ told us that they have a "quick topic" and would know if he was scum.

Treadmill, Jimboo, cherubael and Lafali were a bit too eager, maybe one of them is mafia but I don't think all of them. I also don't know why Treadmill was singled out from all of them, he was the first one to vote and give a half good explanation, Jimboo and cheru said we shouldn't be too hasty and then still voted for freeloader.

I definitely think that Kurumi's hyperactive style is not helpful, he also didn't answer any of iGrok's allegations.

I actually don't know who I should vote for today, I don't think that I can actually vote for someone thinking he is more scummy than 1/5 probability.

I will vote for Monsterdrakar because his reason for voting theawesomeall (Lists of inactives are bad) is stupid and I think that contributing should not be met with pointless allegations.





Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 06 2011 13:34 GMT
#404
I think now that iGrok has stopped posting haiku's he/she is actually useful and his/her analysis of kurumi might not based on much (It is just too early), but it is at least trying to do some analysis.

I don't see him/her as particularly scummy.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 06 2011 14:28 GMT
#418
I also want to stress that I am pretty sure that freeloader is town and that we should lynch someone else.
lynching freeloader won't help us.
I don't think that any of the people currently high in the vote are obvious scum, but freeloader is very certainly not scum.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 06 2011 14:44 GMT
#420
@monsterDrakar:
It's not that you seem like an extremely scummy player to me, but I have to vote for someone because and you simply seemed the scummiest to me.
I don't think that TAA was too helpful with his post, but it also didn't seem like he was scummy and tried to blend in.
To me it looked like it was an inexperienced player trying to contribute.
I don't think that posting a list of inactive players is hurtful ever, I think it is good because it pressures the people on the list into contributing.
This early in the game nearly no analysis is really through because you just don't have enough data.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 06 2011 14:49 GMT
#422
@ blackone:
I just saw your post, I have missed a few posts it seems.
Your analysis of the later posts of freeloader is correct, and we should definitely have an eye on him.
As I said earlier there isn't really someone I am too sure of, freeloader has become scummier with his later posts and I am of the same opinion as kurumi on him, if he doesn't start contributing he will be lynched sooner or later.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 06 2011 14:55 GMT
#426
I think we are all online at the moment and are interested in this. I think I will make a vote tally and post it here.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 06 2011 15:05 GMT
#431
Amazingxkcd 1
Alderan

monsterDrakar 2
Xedat
supersoft

Gtrsrs 1
omgCRAZY

Treadmill 1
35spike1
--Kurumi--
--Benjef--

iGrok 2
pyo
gtrsrs

Kurumi 1
Aril
--Pyo--

Cherubael 1
Kairo

freeloader625 5
cherubael
--Jimbooo--
--Lafali--
Treadmill
Benjef
Treadmill
--Drazerk--
teamsolid


Lafali 1
Kurumi

aprudds 1
Pyo

TheAwesomeAll 1
monsterDrakar
--heist--
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 06 2011 15:06 GMT
#432
Kurumi said that he thinks Lafali is scummier, it in the last portion of his confusing post.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 06 2011 15:09 GMT
#435
@ kurumi:
I know that treadmill stayed on freloader after unvoting because his second post was extremely unhelpful too and he doesn't even try to defend himself. ( I am paraphrasing here )
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 06 2011 15:17 GMT
#444
Kursiv are the guys that voted but then unvoted and have not voted again.

Non voters:
1. Munk-E
2. blackone
4. amazingxkcd
11. Jimbooo
13. Lafali

16. Heist
20. TheAwesomeAll
24. grush57
25. Date_Reaper
26. CjrNinja
28. Senj
29. DeMorcerf
30. Vain
32. Jackal58
33. Clicker
37. iGrok
38. tdAdonis
39. aprudds
40. GGQ
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 06 2011 15:21 GMT
#450
I have one favour to ask of you:
Some people are cluttering the thread, an example would be the exchange between jackal and kurumi, I wrote some unnecessary one liners too.
Lets reduce our posting to helpful deiscussion.
kurumi: Come back with an analysis of gtrsr or tell us more in depth why lafali is scummy in your opinion.

jackal58:Make an analysis of kurumi or let him write a real post before attacking him again.

I think we need to stop cluttering the thread.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 06 2011 15:28 GMT
#458
@jackal:
I also think that kurumi is extremely unhelpful.
But right now your allegations are just cluttering the thread. We know that you think kurumi is scummy and that he should respond with a real post. I also think that. Still, give him some time.
I cannot make you wait, but your impatience is not helping.

Make a case against him or wait for him to provide some useful stuff.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 06 2011 16:35 GMT
#469
@amazingxkcd:
I was asked to post a list of the people that have not voted yet, so I did that.
I never said anything about the guys that did not vote, it was half a reminder and half because I was asked.
In mafia XXXIX four people were modkilled day 2 because they did not post or forgot to vote.
If you plan to vote don't worry.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 06 2011 16:49 GMT
#470
@kurumi:
I read through all of treadmill's posts, he is not wishy washy.
He clearly stated why he voted for freeloader and stayed with his vote. How is that wishy washy?
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 07 2011 07:16 GMT
#664
This definitely was a blunder by jackal, it was clear that rookie asked for advice on what to do as blue and not asking all blues to reveal themselves.

Still, I don't think that jackal is scum, he simply wanted to get people to vote for someone else than freeloader and accused the person that seemed the most scummy to him.
But we should look at the people that voted for rookie, maybe there are one of two mafia in there.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 07 2011 08:28 GMT
#668
Here is a definition of bandwagon:
http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Bandwagon
Basically it means when a lot of people vote for someone because he was accused but when there is not enough evidence.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 07 2011 15:37 GMT
#700
I want to remind everyone that it is night, don't post anything too critical or it will influence the mafia's hits. If you are concerned that you might die save your post for the last few minutes before day.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 07 2011 16:01 GMT
#703
You are insane or a genius Kurumi, I hope the latter.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 07 2011 18:09 GMT
#711
I agree with Alderan, protecting freeloader and treadmill would be stupid, mafia won't hit them because we are unsure if they are scummy or not.
I am also not too big of a fan of early vigi hits, checking jimboo and amazingxkcd might be a good idea but there is not enough certainty about either of them to get them dead tonight.

How many shots to vigilanties have?
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 07 2011 18:25 GMT
#712
I just read the first post.

"Night Vigilante
You are a vigilante! You are willing to take the law into your own hands. Once per game, at night, you may PM me a player to be killed. If your kill overlaps with a mafia hit, your ability will not be used (unless the player has some form of protection). If your kill overlaps with another vigilante, the first hit sent in will take precedence (again, unless the targeted player has protection)."

Looks like there is only one shot per vigilante, so we should be careful with those.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 08 2011 07:58 GMT
#759
Firstly I also think that if the person that was targeted would simply write: "I was targeted" would help the town. Mafia already has this information and town doesn't.

Secondly Is there a way to find a players profile without scrolling through the whole thread? I want to read drazerk's posts myself but he has not posted much.
What I did find was that he voted early without posting, almost like he discussed who to vote for on the mafia forum and then voted without saying anything in the "game"

Thirdly, I don't know if everyone telling how experienced they are is a good idea. If someone does a good analysis it shouldn't matter how experienced they are, also you should always think about a case yourself and not just blindly follow an argument (What a lot of people did last lynch.) Everyone telling their experience will just help mafia choose their hit's next night in my opinion.

Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 08 2011 08:01 GMT
#760
Alright I just found Drazerk's first post, anyone who wants to read what he said here it is:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500&currentpage=20#385
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 08 2011 08:12 GMT
#761
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On June 06 2011 17:43 Drazerk wrote:
Ok yesterday i was quite busy and made my vote without explaining i read freeloaders post and it came to me as quite a large failure on his half although and bought into treadmills words who was pretty much slating him at this point for it who in turn im now suspecting after reading everything again

Ill follow this up later just wanted to post my thoughts at the moment



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On June 07 2011 09:08 Drazerk wrote:
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On June 07 2011 08:15 heist wrote:
An updated list after the massive amount of rookie votes:

Rookie: 5
Freeloader: 4
Treadmill: 2
Drazerk: 2
jimbooo:2
igrok: 2
monsterdrakar: 2
gtrsrs: 2
amazingxkcd: 1
Kurumi: 1
TheAwesomeAll: 1


Can the people who voted monsterDrakar and Drazerk explain themselves?


Hell i can explain for them, Ive been lurking for the better part of this first day and i voted without saying anything

When i got up this morning I did make a small post but nothing major bar changing my vote from freeloader to treadmill after reading all the posts and believing he was not scum

With my erratic voting / posting pattern i would not be surprised if more people voted for me though and ill try to make amends tomorrow



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On June 07 2011 10:01 Drazerk wrote:
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On June 07 2011 09:35 Treadmill wrote:
Another interesting point: Jackal58 makes his case against rookie44, it's pretty weak, the people posting aren't convinced. Nobody but him votes for rookie44. Then an hour later
On June 07 2011 06:28 Kurumi wrote:
##unvote
##vote: Rookie44

On June 07 2011 06:29 Senj wrote:
##vote: Rookie44

On June 07 2011 06:31 amazingxkcd wrote:
##VOTE: Rookie44

Look at the time stamps, within 3 minutes of each other. And none of them posted for 2 hours previous to bandwagonning rookie. It looks liek co-ordination.


Good catch by the looks of things every vote for Rookie has been within 5 mins of one another leading me to believe that this is very organised

Because there are a lot of inexperienced players ( my self included ) band wagoning will occur more often allowing the scum to get easier Lynch kills in the earlier days until we either prove or disprove Jackel's Theory

In my opinion Rookie is more inexperienced than Scum material



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On June 07 2011 10:14 Drazerk wrote:
On June 07 2011 10:12 iGrok wrote:
EBOWP: Drazerk

sorry bro


Fully understand your suspiciousness towards me and it is my own fault and I really hope i don't damage the game because of my own carelessness



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On June 07 2011 10:30 Drazerk wrote:
On June 07 2011 10:26 DeMorcerf wrote:
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On June 07 2011 09:08 Drazerk wrote:
On June 07 2011 08:15 heist wrote:
An updated list after the massive amount of rookie votes:

Rookie: 5
Freeloader: 4
Treadmill: 2
Drazerk: 2
jimbooo:2
igrok: 2
monsterdrakar: 2
gtrsrs: 2
amazingxkcd: 1
Kurumi: 1
TheAwesomeAll: 1


Can the people who voted monsterDrakar and Drazerk explain themselves?


Hell i can explain for them, Ive been lurking for the better part of this first day and i voted without saying anything

When i got up this morning I did make a small post but nothing major bar changing my vote from freeloader to treadmill after reading all the posts and believing he was not scum

With my erratic voting / posting pattern i would not be surprised if more people voted for me though and ill try to make amends tomorrow


I'm currently counting 10 votes for Rookie44, that was fast. Based on several of those being, "see you later, final votes," I think Rookie is as good as dead. I'll agree that most of his posts are very confusing to me with poor wording. Is he mafia, I don't know.

Heist, however, I know iGrok and I had voted for Drazerk for the reason you can find here on page 26.
In his relatively empty first 2 posts he mentions, I'm busy, I'll follow up later with deeper thoughts --Never happened; and "I'll try to make amends tomorrow", which I doubt very much either because tomorrow is the night cycle and he appears to be avoiding saying much and avoiding substance altogether. He has had more than enough time during Day 1 to post literally around 1000 times on other threads, but no real time to actually make any attempt to appear as a town or help us. No one else has explained why he isn't scummy, and I don't see how they could. Even he cannot deny that he was lurking, avoiding talking and attention, and a suspicious voter; if he tried to deny it, he'd appear even worse. That is why in spite of any suspicions on freeloader and Rookie, I'm sticking with my gut that whether or not those two are mafia, Drazerk certainly seems to reek of scum.


Posting 1000 times is very very easy when you live report all tournaments as for the deeper thoughts i didn't get in late by which point the thread had turned another direction making it pointless



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[B]On June 07 2011 16:51 Drazerk wrote:
Wow we lost our medics

From what i can tell I highly doubt jackal is god farther in my opinion he just made a theory and people jumped on the band wagon / scum co ordination it's not his fault

While it's sad to see rookie gone he made a blunder that costed him

I have no real ideas on who is scum at this moment now



Alright, Drazerk has not posted that often so I think I can just quote all of his posts and not clutter too much.
I have mixed feelings about him, he defended rookie but only very slightly in one sentence, this could be thought of as pro town or a mafioso that knows the victim is town and tries to get town cred.
Also remarkable is that he quotes a lot and then not writes much himself, something that is a bit scummy (only repeating information, not bringing anything new)
And lastly, are you really from the UK Drazerk? I think misspelling father when you went to school there is a bit strange. Also start to use commas and periods.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 08 2011 18:51 GMT
#842
Alright, I think we need to get some order into the discussion.
It feels like there are different conversations happening parallel and I think we should focus our actions.

The people accused of being scum today in no particular order are:

Jimboo
Drazerk
iGrok
amazingxkcd
appruds
Jackal58
Kurumi
grush57

I think that is all.
As you might know just accusing people without giving your thoughts about the other people accused won't help as much, as it will just lead to the clusterfuck that is the current discussion.
So I will say what I think about each of them and then say who I find most scummy and why I voted for him.

Jimboo: Bad votes, has not answered allegations against him at all, definitely scummy.

Drazerk: As I said before, strange posts, also scummy.

iGrok: Tries to get a lot of town cred, a bit hypocritical, also scummy.

amazingxkcd: Still waiting for his, and I quote: "Analysis of every major player." Instead he defends himself. Saying you will analyze someone and then not doing it and desperately defending after is definitely very scummy

appruds: Not too sure on him, hasn't stricken me as very scummy, undecided.

Jackal58: Made a bad lynch happen, Undecided about him. But remember, never trust someone blindly and always think before voting, then something like last lynch will not happen. (Hopefully)

Kurumi: His posting has gotten better, a bit of an enigma to me.

grush57: Crybaby much? Haven't looked into him too much, strikes me as more of a disappointed townie than a scumbag right now.


So after thinking about all of these players I think amazingxkcd is the most scummy one, if he doesn't come up with a proper analysis about at least someone my vote will stay on him.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 09 2011 08:09 GMT
#939
My vote stays on amazingxkcd.
I read through 80% of it and what is strange to me is that he calls everyone that is under slight suspicion scum, additionally he says pyo and jackal are scum. But then, not a word on iGrok? Really? Why analyze the posting of most players but leave the most discussed about with nothing at all.
Also, Drazerk and Jimboo, I am not forgetting about you. Say something or the streets around you will be painted crimson.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 09 2011 08:30 GMT
#943
Yes this situation is actually interesting. I think both iGrok and amazingxkcd are nearly evenly suspicious. The vigi can shoot the guy that is not lynched today. The question is who's lynch would give us more information. I agree that more people have defended iGrok and that if he switched red it would give us more information.
Me saying "my vote stays on amazingxkcd" also meant more that he did not convince me to change my vote and not that I won't vote for someone else.

So what I am asking is, lynching whom would give us more information?
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 09 2011 09:01 GMT
#951
Alright, I will change my vote from amazingxkcd to iGrok because iGrok has been more discussed and it would give us more information.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 10 2011 07:42 GMT
#1102
Yup if by now no one has come forward they shot him twice.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 10 2011 09:13 GMT
#1108
Okay, it might just be my opinion but your posts are directly influencing mafia htis. What if mafi awanted to kill 35spike1 or apprudds (I don't think they will hit Treadmill as he is under suspicion).
Please save your critical posts that could influence mafia.

Also, we should go over amazingxkcd's post and also check who were the people that awnted him lynched the most.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 10 2011 09:56 GMT
#1111
What do you mean by that jackal58?
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 10 2011 12:09 GMT
#1128
kurumi please start reading and stop spamming -.-
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 11 2011 15:26 GMT
#1213
Alright, I am at my parents and not at the pc very often, I will be pretty inactive the next 48 hours.
Is there a post with the final vote? Or is the last one where amazing and igrok have both 13 votes the correct one?
It would be pretty risky for vain to vote for jackal if the vote between iGrok and amazing is so close and he is mafia.
I will vote for grush57 as he is the fishiest guy that voted for amazing, maybe when I have a bit more time I will read more of his posts and analyze him a bit.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 13 2011 10:15 GMT
#1342
Isn't jackal dead? He is not crossed out in the first post, so its only 19 left not 20.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 15 2011 07:50 GMT
#1382
Who is AnxiousHippo, last post page 65. Did someone change his name in the course of the game? Or have I forgotten a player?

On June 13 2011 09:58 Alderan wrote:
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On June 13 2011 09:50 35spike1 wrote:
On June 13 2011 09:09 Alderan wrote:
Sorry for being so late to the party here lady's and gents, weekends are pretty busy for me, especially this weekend. Will SIGNIFICANTLY more active into tomorrow.

It seems that everyone has jumped on this Grush bandwagon, and I don't necessarily think that its a bad idea so I'm going to throw a vote there for the day.

I feel like analysis of Grush's posts at this point will be overly redundant in that I can only find a couple and they are by and large meaningless (the biggest tell being his association with iGork earlier in the game).
Lol, what a scum post. Apoligising for lack of activity, happily stating that he'll jump on the Grush bandwagon, and explaining that he can't be bothered checking out Grush's posts.



I agree it is pretty worthless, just trust me that in the next few days I will be active enough for everyone to not have any doubts. I just don't know what else can be said for Grush's case other that I agree that he is the scummiest candidate to this point. I am interested to see who you think is more scummy though.


Was this a way for 35spike1 to get town cred? If not, why would he attack Alderan? I am not too sold that Alderan is mafia, but I am pretty unsure with everyone right now.

appruds did attack amazingxkcd pretty hard and has started posting a bit better after that, I am not too sure on him.

I also have mixed feelings of blackone, he only posted a few good posts but otherwise is scummy in his posting.

Munk-E is is the epitome of a lurker, but when he posts (4 times) he posts long analyses, so he could be a bored townie with not much time.

I don't think treadmill is scum right now.

As you can see, I am pretty undecided, but I will vote for Munk-E and hope he will post a bit more.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
June 16 2011 22:24 GMT
#1501
@vain: I thought about shooting kurumi, but that would have been a bad play as he was pretty much a confirmed townie in my eyes at some point and you could just not read anything from him if you did not want to.

Also it seemed like everyone knew I had a blue role, should I have posted more to appear more like a townie?
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