EPTLooking forward to this
TL Mafia XL
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
Looking forward to this | ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
| ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
| ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
I think it is established that freeloader625's question is not a scum tell, as GGQ told us that they have a "quick topic" and would know if he was scum. Treadmill, Jimboo, cherubael and Lafali were a bit too eager, maybe one of them is mafia but I don't think all of them. I also don't know why Treadmill was singled out from all of them, he was the first one to vote and give a half good explanation, Jimboo and cheru said we shouldn't be too hasty and then still voted for freeloader. I definitely think that Kurumi's hyperactive style is not helpful, he also didn't answer any of iGrok's allegations. I actually don't know who I should vote for today, I don't think that I can actually vote for someone thinking he is more scummy than 1/5 probability. I will vote for Monsterdrakar because his reason for voting theawesomeall (Lists of inactives are bad) is stupid and I think that contributing should not be met with pointless allegations. | ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
I don't see him/her as particularly scummy. | ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
lynching freeloader won't help us. I don't think that any of the people currently high in the vote are obvious scum, but freeloader is very certainly not scum. | ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
It's not that you seem like an extremely scummy player to me, but I have to vote for someone because and you simply seemed the scummiest to me. I don't think that TAA was too helpful with his post, but it also didn't seem like he was scummy and tried to blend in. To me it looked like it was an inexperienced player trying to contribute. I don't think that posting a list of inactive players is hurtful ever, I think it is good because it pressures the people on the list into contributing. This early in the game nearly no analysis is really through because you just don't have enough data. | ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
I just saw your post, I have missed a few posts it seems. Your analysis of the later posts of freeloader is correct, and we should definitely have an eye on him. As I said earlier there isn't really someone I am too sure of, freeloader has become scummier with his later posts and I am of the same opinion as kurumi on him, if he doesn't start contributing he will be lynched sooner or later. | ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
| ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
Alderan monsterDrakar 2 Xedat supersoft Gtrsrs 1 omgCRAZY Treadmill 1 35spike1 --Kurumi-- --Benjef-- iGrok 2 pyo gtrsrs Kurumi 1 Aril --Pyo-- Cherubael 1 Kairo freeloader625 5 cherubael --Jimbooo-- --Lafali-- Treadmill Benjef Treadmill --Drazerk-- teamsolid Lafali 1 Kurumi aprudds 1 Pyo TheAwesomeAll 1 monsterDrakar --heist-- | ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
| ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
I know that treadmill stayed on freloader after unvoting because his second post was extremely unhelpful too and he doesn't even try to defend himself. ( I am paraphrasing here ) | ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
Non voters: 1. Munk-E 2. blackone 4. amazingxkcd 11. Jimbooo 13. Lafali 16. Heist 20. TheAwesomeAll 24. grush57 25. Date_Reaper 26. CjrNinja 28. Senj 29. DeMorcerf 30. Vain 32. Jackal58 33. Clicker 37. iGrok 38. tdAdonis 39. aprudds 40. GGQ | ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
Some people are cluttering the thread, an example would be the exchange between jackal and kurumi, I wrote some unnecessary one liners too. Lets reduce our posting to helpful deiscussion. kurumi: Come back with an analysis of gtrsr or tell us more in depth why lafali is scummy in your opinion. jackal58:Make an analysis of kurumi or let him write a real post before attacking him again. I think we need to stop cluttering the thread. | ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
I also think that kurumi is extremely unhelpful. But right now your allegations are just cluttering the thread. We know that you think kurumi is scummy and that he should respond with a real post. I also think that. Still, give him some time. I cannot make you wait, but your impatience is not helping. Make a case against him or wait for him to provide some useful stuff. | ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
I was asked to post a list of the people that have not voted yet, so I did that. I never said anything about the guys that did not vote, it was half a reminder and half because I was asked. In mafia XXXIX four people were modkilled day 2 because they did not post or forgot to vote. If you plan to vote don't worry. | ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
I read through all of treadmill's posts, he is not wishy washy. He clearly stated why he voted for freeloader and stayed with his vote. How is that wishy washy? | ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
Still, I don't think that jackal is scum, he simply wanted to get people to vote for someone else than freeloader and accused the person that seemed the most scummy to him. But we should look at the people that voted for rookie, maybe there are one of two mafia in there. | ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Bandwagon Basically it means when a lot of people vote for someone because he was accused but when there is not enough evidence. | ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
| ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
| ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
I am also not too big of a fan of early vigi hits, checking jimboo and amazingxkcd might be a good idea but there is not enough certainty about either of them to get them dead tonight. How many shots to vigilanties have? | ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
"Night Vigilante You are a vigilante! You are willing to take the law into your own hands. Once per game, at night, you may PM me a player to be killed. If your kill overlaps with a mafia hit, your ability will not be used (unless the player has some form of protection). If your kill overlaps with another vigilante, the first hit sent in will take precedence (again, unless the targeted player has protection)." Looks like there is only one shot per vigilante, so we should be careful with those. | ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
Secondly Is there a way to find a players profile without scrolling through the whole thread? I want to read drazerk's posts myself but he has not posted much. What I did find was that he voted early without posting, almost like he discussed who to vote for on the mafia forum and then voted without saying anything in the "game" Thirdly, I don't know if everyone telling how experienced they are is a good idea. If someone does a good analysis it shouldn't matter how experienced they are, also you should always think about a case yourself and not just blindly follow an argument (What a lot of people did last lynch.) Everyone telling their experience will just help mafia choose their hit's next night in my opinion. | ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=20#385 | ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
On June 06 2011 17:43 Drazerk wrote: Ok yesterday i was quite busy and made my vote without explaining i read freeloaders post and it came to me as quite a large failure on his half although and bought into treadmills words who was pretty much slating him at this point for it who in turn im now suspecting after reading everything again Ill follow this up later just wanted to post my thoughts at the moment + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2011 09:08 Drazerk wrote: Hell i can explain for them, Ive been lurking for the better part of this first day and i voted without saying anything When i got up this morning I did make a small post but nothing major bar changing my vote from freeloader to treadmill after reading all the posts and believing he was not scum With my erratic voting / posting pattern i would not be surprised if more people voted for me though and ill try to make amends tomorrow + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2011 10:01 Drazerk wrote: Good catch by the looks of things every vote for Rookie has been within 5 mins of one another leading me to believe that this is very organised Because there are a lot of inexperienced players ( my self included ) band wagoning will occur more often allowing the scum to get easier Lynch kills in the earlier days until we either prove or disprove Jackel's Theory In my opinion Rookie is more inexperienced than Scum material + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2011 10:14 Drazerk wrote: On June 07 2011 10:12 iGrok wrote: EBOWP: Drazerk sorry bro Fully understand your suspiciousness towards me and it is my own fault and I really hope i don't damage the game because of my own carelessness + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2011 10:30 Drazerk wrote: On June 07 2011 10:26 DeMorcerf wrote: I'm currently counting 10 votes for Rookie44, that was fast. Based on several of those being, "see you later, final votes," I think Rookie is as good as dead. I'll agree that most of his posts are very confusing to me with poor wording. Is he mafia, I don't know. Heist, however, I know iGrok and I had voted for Drazerk for the reason you can find here on page 26. In his relatively empty first 2 posts he mentions, I'm busy, I'll follow up later with deeper thoughts --Never happened; and "I'll try to make amends tomorrow", which I doubt very much either because tomorrow is the night cycle and he appears to be avoiding saying much and avoiding substance altogether. He has had more than enough time during Day 1 to post literally around 1000 times on other threads, but no real time to actually make any attempt to appear as a town or help us. No one else has explained why he isn't scummy, and I don't see how they could. Even he cannot deny that he was lurking, avoiding talking and attention, and a suspicious voter; if he tried to deny it, he'd appear even worse. That is why in spite of any suspicions on freeloader and Rookie, I'm sticking with my gut that whether or not those two are mafia, Drazerk certainly seems to reek of scum. Posting 1000 times is very very easy when you live report all tournaments as for the deeper thoughts i didn't get in late by which point the thread had turned another direction making it pointless + Show Spoiler + [B]On June 07 2011 16:51 Drazerk wrote: Wow we lost our medics From what i can tell I highly doubt jackal is god farther in my opinion he just made a theory and people jumped on the band wagon / scum co ordination it's not his fault While it's sad to see rookie gone he made a blunder that costed him I have no real ideas on who is scum at this moment now Alright, Drazerk has not posted that often so I think I can just quote all of his posts and not clutter too much. I have mixed feelings about him, he defended rookie but only very slightly in one sentence, this could be thought of as pro town or a mafioso that knows the victim is town and tries to get town cred. Also remarkable is that he quotes a lot and then not writes much himself, something that is a bit scummy (only repeating information, not bringing anything new) And lastly, are you really from the UK Drazerk? I think misspelling father when you went to school there is a bit strange. Also start to use commas and periods. | ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
It feels like there are different conversations happening parallel and I think we should focus our actions. The people accused of being scum today in no particular order are: Jimboo Drazerk iGrok amazingxkcd appruds Jackal58 Kurumi grush57 I think that is all. As you might know just accusing people without giving your thoughts about the other people accused won't help as much, as it will just lead to the clusterfuck that is the current discussion. So I will say what I think about each of them and then say who I find most scummy and why I voted for him. Jimboo: Bad votes, has not answered allegations against him at all, definitely scummy. Drazerk: As I said before, strange posts, also scummy. iGrok: Tries to get a lot of town cred, a bit hypocritical, also scummy. amazingxkcd: Still waiting for his, and I quote: "Analysis of every major player." Instead he defends himself. Saying you will analyze someone and then not doing it and desperately defending after is definitely very scummy appruds: Not too sure on him, hasn't stricken me as very scummy, undecided. Jackal58: Made a bad lynch happen, Undecided about him. But remember, never trust someone blindly and always think before voting, then something like last lynch will not happen. (Hopefully) Kurumi: His posting has gotten better, a bit of an enigma to me. grush57: Crybaby much? Haven't looked into him too much, strikes me as more of a disappointed townie than a scumbag right now. So after thinking about all of these players I think amazingxkcd is the most scummy one, if he doesn't come up with a proper analysis about at least someone my vote will stay on him. | ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
I read through 80% of it and what is strange to me is that he calls everyone that is under slight suspicion scum, additionally he says pyo and jackal are scum. But then, not a word on iGrok? Really? Why analyze the posting of most players but leave the most discussed about with nothing at all. Also, Drazerk and Jimboo, I am not forgetting about you. Say something or the streets around you will be painted crimson. | ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
Me saying "my vote stays on amazingxkcd" also meant more that he did not convince me to change my vote and not that I won't vote for someone else. So what I am asking is, lynching whom would give us more information? | ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
| ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
| ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
Please save your critical posts that could influence mafia. Also, we should go over amazingxkcd's post and also check who were the people that awnted him lynched the most. | ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
| ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
| ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
Is there a post with the final vote? Or is the last one where amazing and igrok have both 13 votes the correct one? It would be pretty risky for vain to vote for jackal if the vote between iGrok and amazing is so close and he is mafia. I will vote for grush57 as he is the fishiest guy that voted for amazing, maybe when I have a bit more time I will read more of his posts and analyze him a bit. | ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
| ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
On June 13 2011 09:58 Alderan wrote: I agree it is pretty worthless, just trust me that in the next few days I will be active enough for everyone to not have any doubts. I just don't know what else can be said for Grush's case other that I agree that he is the scummiest candidate to this point. I am interested to see who you think is more scummy though. Was this a way for 35spike1 to get town cred? If not, why would he attack Alderan? I am not too sold that Alderan is mafia, but I am pretty unsure with everyone right now. appruds did attack amazingxkcd pretty hard and has started posting a bit better after that, I am not too sure on him. I also have mixed feelings of blackone, he only posted a few good posts but otherwise is scummy in his posting. Munk-E is is the epitome of a lurker, but when he posts (4 times) he posts long analyses, so he could be a bored townie with not much time. I don't think treadmill is scum right now. As you can see, I am pretty undecided, but I will vote for Munk-E and hope he will post a bit more. | ||
|
Xedat
Germany358 Posts
Also it seemed like everyone knew I had a blue role, should I have posted more to appear more like a townie? | ||
| ||
