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On June 06 2011 16:04 gtrsrs wrote:
here is my scum hunt
you post haiku's in a game where posting anything more than necessary is distracting and derailing
you try to find the town's blues so that the mafia can know what they're up against
the one thing that the town has as an advantage is that the mafia doesn't know our PRs and here you are spelling the info out for them
even if you're not mafia, your two biggest contributions so far are anti-town
everyone i encourage you to ##vote: iGrok and watch how he (and others) react as the votes pile up. putting the pressure on someone is a good way to find mafia. watch the people that come to defend him and how they do so and then when he flips red, go after them next
Haiku's had nothing in them besides repeating what iGrok is posting,so this is really weak thing to pick on. Also think about it,would Mafia post their possible list of blue roles in public? No,because they're the only guys who really need to know about it. Teaching new people how role distributions probably works is a good read,it helps You understand mechanics behind how the game is balanced. What are the "Two biggest contributions"? Haiku's weren't big. Role talk isn't that anti-town in that case. Is his analysis on me anti-town? Really?
Then there's that HUGE case Gtrsrs has against iGrok. It all depends on Gtrsrs,if he drops it any time,he is probably scum (prplhz in PTP did that,although he wasn't mafia he played really badly and indicated that he is scum) The thing I hope for is that gtrsrs as townie didn't get vigilante. Those things end up ugly (lol@Viscera killing BC Day 1 in PTP) I understand You have a case,I understand that You're sure that iGrok is scum,but please don't overreact. Make a good case,ask questions,bring strong evidence and we may look into Your accusations.
In my opinion,Gtrsrs is Overeager Townie.
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On June 07 2011 01:49 Xedat wrote:
@kurumi:
I read through all of treadmill's posts, he is not wishy washy.
He clearly stated why he voted for freeloader and stayed with his vote. How is that wishy washy?
He did not. He dropped his case for a while,then came back to it.
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On June 07 2011 02:07 gtrsrs wrote:
i am role-less townie, unafraid to die in order to get mafia lynched. i am 95% sure that iGrok is scum. all of his posts convey this forced self-importance - it's kind of like the guy who is the "real estate king" in american beauty. if you remember, he quotes to the main character's wife carolyn: "in order to be successful, one must always project an image of success at all times." iGrok is doing everything in his power to draw attention onto himself and trying to associate himself with the proclaimed pros of the game. he's trying to project an image of skill so you'll sheep behind him.
i refuse to analyze people just because any of you want me to analyze them. me analyzing pyo doesn't prove anything because i don't have a scum read off of him.
a townie should never be afraid to die if he will take a mafia down with him (as long as you aren't a power role, that is). a 1:1 trade helps town a lot more than it helps mafia. that being said, i'm more than willing to take an extra day before we kill iGrok. people who are convinced that one of me, kurumi, and iGrok is mafia, go ahead and lynch me today, then when i flip vanilla townie, go after the scum tomorrow
I am not up for KavCaprio lynch,sorry. Your case isn't strong enough for me.
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On June 07 2011 03:00 Jackal58 wrote:
If Freeloader flips scum Kurumi is scum. If Freeloader flips town it means nothing.
That means Town had luckiest lynch ever,Jackal58.
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On June 07 2011 03:06 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 03:04 Kurumi wrote:On June 07 2011 03:00 Jackal58 wrote:
If Freeloader flips scum Kurumi is scum. If Freeloader flips town it means nothing. That means Town had luckiest lynch ever,Jackal58. I've seen plenty of scum hang on day 1.
After a case was made based on question asked by a newbie?
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On June 07 2011 03:08 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 02:56 Alderan wrote:On June 07 2011 02:53 iGrok wrote:On June 07 2011 02:43 Vain wrote:On June 07 2011 02:31 iGrok wrote:On June 07 2011 02:11 Vain wrote:
Ok, i finally finished reading. Man, sleeping is bad for keeping up with a mafia game.
First off: Kurumi is probably town if he also spammed this much in a previous game where he was scum. I don't know his style very good but he is drawing way too much attention to be a comfortable mafia.
I don't quite understand this. So Kurumi is probably town because he's acting the same way he did when he was mafia before? Euh, i meant town. Jackal stated that when he was town he's just as hard to analyze. Iirc he was not scum the other games Jackal played with him. + Show Spoiler +On June 07 2011 00:19 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 00:15 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 06 2011 10:47 Alderan wrote:Here's a list of a couple people who seem to be acting a little scummy. (Not saying for sure scum, just people that might not be) Lets get some meaningful conversation going. AmazingxkcdI've already kind of voiced this opinion but I'm going to expound upon my earlier analysis. Let's look at his posts.
It is quite clear that it can be seen who are the main talkers for both side. The only question is now how to distinguish between the two sides and how to act upon it
This post, obviously vague, of little help to the town, and posted directly after he appeared on TheAwesomeAll's “Lurker List”. When I pointed out this was a fishy post he responded with this:
interesting first post there, all ready trying to set up accustation upon me for supposedly making a scummy post when in reality i am only simply making observation. You already got into my list of suspicious people by derailing a innocent first post when we still have around 30+ hours left to figure out each other.
Obviously immediately went on the defensive, turned and pointed a finger at me, and suggest that the town take its time “figuring each other out” instead of having discussion that is inherently pro-town. In fact his only “contribution” to town discussion was this post:
Please refer to these guides on playing TL mafia.
For town: aidnai, GMarshal
For mafia: bumatlarge, chaos13
LSB's Newbie Guide
Mafiascum Newbie Guide
Introduction to Mafia (Flash)
Ver's town guide
Ace's Mafia Manifesto
Qatol's Town Guide
So his only contribution to the town is copying and pasting something that is in the third post of this thread? Interesting. On June 06 2011 23:10 Alderan wrote:
Also, I'm going to ahead and voting for amazingxkcd, just in case something happens to me at work today and I won't be able to get a vote in.
@ amazingkcd, I'm really just waiting on you to refute the analysis I did earlier.
You are discriminating against me and you just voted for me right now just off the basis of my first post, which i made after i finished watching MLG. You do not provide evidence that i am a scum nor do you back it up should you have given any evidence. It seems that you want me to be lynched when i am trying to win for the town. @iGrok and @Jackal58; I can't analyze Kurumi either, since i take that he's acting as if he has multiple personalities disorder. He should be watched for sure. Also, @Jackal58, you stated that he had the same behavior in the previous games you played with him, what were his roles? That should at least help to give us a direction on him. I am not trying to label you two as complete scum, but i was just concerned about iGrok's request for help from Jackal58. About freeloader, I am currently leaning towards the scummy side as for the reasons others have put up front already, but i need more time to see if i do want to lynch him. There are others here who seem suspicious based on their posts and the tone of their post, but i am not ready right now to make a final desicion. Kurumi was town in XXXIX. Lynched day one for posting nonsensically for the first half of the day. He has improved significantly from that game believe it or not. He is also still playing in PTP mafia and is a self proclaimed SK. Ok, yeah that makes a lot more sense. Yeah, I'm starting to see how Kurumi could be a townie, but I could also see him as a scum who felt the pressure and is trying to change his tune. I still don't thing he should be lynched today. I'm trying to think of who should be, but I really don't know :/ But you agree that it shouldn't be freeloader? Yeah. Here's my "Don't Lynch" list (in no particular order): Me ^^ Jackal58 Vain GGQ Kurumi Treadmill 35spike1 CrJninja Xedat aprudds Actually, looking back, I'm going to put my vote on Drazerk, for twice voting without saying shit. (He might've posted once or twice, but absolutely no substance, only bandwagonning).
That's pretty big list. Care to explain why those people shouldn't be lynched?
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On June 07 2011 03:40 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 03:34 iGrok wrote:On June 07 2011 03:28 gtrsrs wrote:
iGrok did a 28000 character analysis and determined that kurumi was scum, and less than a day later, before he even had time to convince anyone to vote for kurumi, iGrok now has kurumi on his "don't lynch" list.
duly noted Because, as I noted in that post, I wasn't sure. Combined with Jackal's testimony and Kurumi's abrubt change in play, I'd prefer a DT check on him. You know, exactly what I said in that post Hmm. As amazingxkcd has already noted, a DT check wouldn't reveal much about Kurumi. If Kurumi were mafia, he certainly would be selected as the godfather given that the mafia select amongst themselves on night one who the godfather is. Therefore, regardless of whether he is or isn't mafia, we still will have no clue on Day 2 as to his alignment because he could have been town-aligned to begin with, or switched to town-aligned through his godfather powers.
I'd kill myself as mafioso if I were GF.
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GUYS GUYS
We need to get a proper lynch moving. I think we should discard gtrsrs and freeloader.(They will slip if they're mafia) We're really undecided who to lynch. There has been no real case against anybody and I'd rather stay with my Treadmill vote. The bad part about Treadmill's lynch is the fact I am kind of pushing for it and You don't want to listen to me (despite two people I believe) I strongly suggest moving votes from freeloader. His lynch will give us nothing.
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On June 07 2011 06:01 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 05:47 TranceStorm wrote:On June 07 2011 05:38 Jackal58 wrote:You guys want to vote for scum? Vote this guy - rookie44: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9611408Has played before so he has an idea how it works. Very subtle in his fishing for blues. Only scum fish for blues. Wants to know what methods and tactics are used to catch scum. Wants us to share them with everybody. Claims it will help derail scum tactics. When it will obviously do the opposite. Has all but disappeared since this post. I'm sure he'll show up momentarily to tell me how full of shit I am. That's where my vote is going. I would recommend you all do the same. Would you mind doing a post-by-post analysis of rookie44's posts? (There are only 3) Right now I can't really see how subtly he is fishing for blues. After all, we don't know how experienced he really is, so I would like a little more clarification as to your accusation. We'll start with the post I linked: Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 04:22 rookie44 wrote:
Hey guys,
This is all getting a bit out of hand, we seem to already be getting in each others faces over perceived (and real) sleights. I have only played mafia on battle.net, and this is going to be quite a different game to that.
Only real difference is timing. Tactics are the same
What i believe is the crucial difference is that we have large amounts of time for discussion. This also gives us the time to create a solid plan for using whatever roles we have effectively (it would seem that way).
This is role fishing. He's wanting people to post their roles and tell him how they intend to use them. At the very least he's hoping a noob would post something along the lines of I'm a DT. Who should I check
Maybe some of the more experienced players could expand on what investigative stratagies they have used; their pitfalls, and how we may evade those pitfalls.
This is saying "I am scum. How are you guys going to catch me? It's called a scum slip
Perhaps an added benifit will be that it will be very tricky for a mafia to come up with a generalized stratagy that is grounded in reason, so maybe there will be some suspiciously quiet people. (I assume it will be difficult for a generalized stratagy becasue i can only see the mafia being able to take advantage of a specific stratagy by getting their peolpe in the right places).
This is just bullshit trying to provide a townie reason for asking.
My analysis in red. This guy is scum.
I think point about role fishing and avoiding getting caught is the strongest evidence we have brought yet. Pity I didn't search what lurkers did and focused on more active people  This all makes sense from scum perspective - apologize;make excuse to get less attention,then proceed to Your "real" thing. I worry though; he can be a DT. It looks like it is the most solid case thus far though.
##Vote rookie44
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On June 07 2011 06:43 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 23:55 Jackal58 wrote:On June 06 2011 23:54 Kurumi wrote:On June 06 2011 23:53 Jackal58 wrote:On June 06 2011 23:50 Kurumi wrote:On June 06 2011 23:48 Benjef wrote:
Hm, I'm starting to fall off of this Freeloader band wagon. But hes only had the one post to try and protect himself? And I still don't see the point of him asking the question if he didn't apply to him.
And besides Kurumi why are you protecting him so much? Because it's terrible lynch based on "he asked question townie would never ask" evidence. His lynch will give no info and there are more scummy people here to lynch. Who? I'm not calling Freeloader scum I'm asking you who in your opinion is scummier? Are You smurfing? @_@ I responded to Benjef and got Jackal's response? I asked you a question based upon your assertion. Problem. Just remember DT's if you check the GF you will get a townie return. Yay! I do have internet on the cape. The mafia can frame a townie too, also there could be millers. In both situations a townie would return as scum.
There's no Framer in this setup.
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EDWOP:
actually godfather can frame someone,my bad
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Remember guys: Lafali and Treadmill,despite approving same things tried to distance eachother.
This way,Treadmill is still scum in my eyes. Will write more after I get through this mess.
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On June 07 2011 22:46 35spike1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 22:26 blackone wrote:On June 07 2011 22:02 Kurumi wrote:
Remember guys: Lafali and Treadmill,despite approving same things tried to distance eachother.
This way,Treadmill is still scum in my eyes. Will write more after I get through this mess. What "things" were they both approving? Treadmill was one of the few people trying to stop that rookie bandwagon. I know Lafali and Treadmill were both on the Freeloader wagon, I'm not sure of how else they're related.
They both advocated mislynches and said that we can spare mislynches and mislynching isn't that bad at all.
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On June 07 2011 13:16 Treadmill wrote:
2 mafia getting modkilled is nice, means they're down to 3 KP. On the other hand, we're probably out of medics. Which means the mafia gets to kill pretty much whoever they want.
Hey look! rookie44 was a blue! What a surprise! I'm gonna point out that I totally called that. But not to brag - if I saw it, someone in the mafia probably suspected him of being blue too. In fact it's a little more obvious to them cause they could rule out rookie being red. So i'm even more convinced that the mafia managed to swing that lynch.
I'm pretty comfortable saying that Senj, amazingxkcd, and Kurumi are mafia. To a more experienced player (iGrok or Vain preferably) what would you think of out vigi's shooting at them tonight? I'm maybe 80 or 90% sure, but I'd want someone with more experience to comment.
Sure You knew he was blue,because he wasn't Your scumbuddy and talked about blues(You know what that does mean,because You read the XXX mafia analysis) You weren't the only person to call that rookie is/might be blue. In fact,I said that I have a feeling that he might be a DT,close enough. Sorry,but You're copy-pasting/paraphrasing things people said before and selling those as Yours.
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EDWOP:
Also why the fuck we need Your brag? "I KNEW HE WAS BLUE"(that means I am Townie right know guys,but since I am scum I am laughing my ass off)
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On June 08 2011 00:37 Xedat wrote:
I want to remind everyone that it is night, don't post anything too critical or it will influence the mafia's hits. If you are concerned that you might die save your post for the last few minutes before day.
I hope they target me. Best way to waste their shot <3
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On June 08 2011 03:37 Impervious wrote:
Treadmill - he tried to get everyone to switch away from rookie, and I've been getting a pretty solid town vibe from him the entire game. He's not someone I want to die right now.
A bandwagoner with some heat under his feet tried to earn some easy town cred. He has read the XXX Mafia analysis and knew "Blue slips",the only difference between Townies and Scum is that,Townies can still interpret blue fishing as scummy move or as blue seeking help. Treadmill is scum: that way he IS SURE that Rookie44 is blue at this point. An easy move to earn town cred using his scum information
Impervious,You are defending Treadmill too hard.. (read red in quote)
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Oh cmon,don't try to push for KavCaprio lynch tomorrow.
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Oh,nice two lynches we've got there. So iGrok says that I tunneled him(gives no evidence),defends himself hardcore. Tries to tie me to gtrsrs,although tries to clean himself from Him-Pyo link. Meanwhile,Treadmill is derailing town with huge-ass post which probably has nothing infromative that number of xkdcd's posts. Treadmill is probably having some coached posts after my drill into his "mislynches are ok" blunder.
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