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On May 28 2011 09:38 redFF wrote: /in :D. What is a VI type role? Village Idiot, someone who wins the game by getting lynched. | ||
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Moles don't know they're moles, and that doesn't have anything to do with his role anyways, just like possible assassins and SKs which might exist, but will still have a role as well. | ||
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On May 31 2011 05:36 sandroba wrote: Can you guys read??????? I'm not saying to claim the fucking role, just let us know what player you designed the role for, not the actual role!!!! How does this help mafia? Let's say, player A designed a role for player B. There's also player C. Player A is town, Player B is mafia. Mafia shoots Player A, Player B may now claim whatever he wants (Literally, in this set-up). Player A is town, Player B is town, Player C is mafia. Mafia shoots Player A, Player B can claim, but it is not verifiable. Also, WIFOM for being the first situation, as in, more confusion for town. Or is this wrong? | ||
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Also, if the list is meant for pressure, Varp and San might be nice to add, to see how they react. I'd also throw MZ on there for pro-town meta, but I don't think I've seen him post yet, so maybe hold off on that. | ||
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On May 31 2011 06:20 Node wrote: All right, since Amber's posting restriction makes him literally impossible to analyze, I'd say he's up to the front of the queue for a DT check. Bullet-bill is able to "sniff out" roles that have guns. Thus, a dog. Well, he might be a guard dog who acts like a medic or martyr, or he could be a bloodhound who acts like a tracker/watcher, or even a DT. Speculation is mostly pointless at this time :p | ||
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Your different abilities are just your way of communicating, and display different emotions/reactions, correct? Like growling to show disagreement, barking to draw attention, wiggling your tail to show you agree, etc.? Also, you wagged your tail for being a guard dog, so he's on the right track? *Gives treat* | ||
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On May 31 2011 06:57 Rean wrote: Sigh. This is silly. The dog appears to be some kind of guard dog, so i'm guessing he acts like a watcher/tracker or something like that. Useful later on, a waste of time for now. As for the LAL plan: no. You lynch people when there is a good reason to do so, not simply because you lied. There could be many reasons that town would be lying, and blindly lynching them for it is not a good idea. The list is unneccesary. People should be capable of deciding for themself who is worth protecting or inspecting, you don't need someone holding your hand telling you what to do. Oh, and props for whoever thought up the dog role, that's just hilarious. Actually, reading through what Ace said, he actually said the list should be avoided by DTs. The entire point of it, is that it creates pressure on the people on the list to act pro-town, and also, as people on the list die, the pressure is increased, letting glaring scum slips show. | ||
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On May 31 2011 07:20 GMarshal wrote: I agree with Palmar, we are done discussing roles. We have ten pages of stuff to work with at this point, so let me ask some questions. Who does everyone think is most likely to be town. from their posts alone? Who hasn't posted yet who you would have expected to post? Question 1: BC, or bum, from their posts so far. They've been trying to get the focus from role discussion to scum hunting. Question 2: MZ. He can be a good player, and I would've expected him to get into the game when it started. :p | ||
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# Mr. Wiggles # GMarshal # tnkted # BloodyC0bbler # Jackal58 # Barundar # Meapak_Ziphh # bumatlarge # Rean # kitaman27 # Node # sandroba This is based mostly off of meta right now, but some people, notably BC, bum, GM, san, are put on there also for their posting this game, because it's been notable for me in one way or another. The only other thing about this list, is that I'm unfamiliar with a lot of the people here, so it's likely to change as people post and lurk, etc. As it stands, it's mostly a list of players I know can be good as scum or town, or who have had a presence in this game so far. | ||
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Also, to add on to that, if RedFF tells us anything about Amber, we'll need amber to confirm that it's true. That is, if Amber isn't restricted in PMs as well -_- A word on masons, if they exist: Add people you think are town, to contribute to analysis, but don't be afraid to add people you are unsure of so that you can poke and prod in PM land as well. PMs are a good way to gather information as town, and so long as you don't do anything stupid (Read: Claim in PM), I don't think it can hurt but only help to find scum if they're present in a mason circle. | ||
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Do you have an ability that can help town? @Chaos13 There's no reason to kill off Amber[Light] right now. If he's useless town, shooting or lynching is a waste. If he's scum, then he's already made himself a public figure, and also, is incapable of any misdirection. A simple role or alignment check on him will resolve problems. | ||
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On June 01 2011 01:52 DropBear wrote: Ok, so you're voting because Amber's trying really hard. Sandroba is a terrible lynch. The main reason seems to be his original plan. It was against the rules but when he posted his idea it was before deconduo clarified the rules. It might not be the best plan but he's obviously trying to help. He is accused of turning quiet. Within only 2 pages of the announcement of his plan the following people told him his idea was terrible: chaos13 Eternalmisfit Rean Varpulis Palmar Mr Wiggles BloodyC0bbler GMarshal stefftastiq redFF Mataza That is a lot of negativity to swallow, why is everyone surprised that he has gone quiet? I'd pipe down too if I was told by half the town to stfu. Varpulis, who tried to alter the plan is then jumped on next. He decides to "withdraw" and is immediately jumped on by kita and Palmar. Their plans might not be good ones but it doesn't make them Mafia. They are just trying to help, if poorly. Redtooth in XXXIX was an example of that. Their contributions are much larger than several players so far, even if they have gone quiet recently. I'd like to address part of this quickly. Here's San's post, for reference: On May 31 2011 05:29 sandroba wrote: Alright, I have a sugestion to make. Everyone should state which player they designed the role for. We don't know how much KP mafia actually has, so after today things might get confusing. This way we can implement LAL more effectively. I would also like to sugest that any person who claims before having any IMPORTANT (that lead us to scum) info or are very close to being lynched to be policy lynched. Only time it's ok to claim without meeting the above conditions is when town decides it's time to massroleclaim. Failing to claim at mass roleclaim will also result in a policy lynch. You say, that San is a bad lynch, because he is trying to help. You then provide excuses for him going MIA because a lot of people shot his plan down. The thing I see, about Sandroba's plan, isn't that it was just bad, it's that it was bad in a way that benefited scum while providing nothing for town. So, proposing a plan like that can seem like "trying", but it does nothing to actually contribute and if people don't see through it, benefits scum. I explained this already after he proposed his plan: On May 31 2011 05:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Yes, knowing the pick order doesn't do much to help town, but does a lot to help scum. If town sees that the person they picked for is fake-claiming, they need to use their discretion on what to do. They can call them out on it right away, or maybe the role they gave is very useful for town, and shouldn't be claimed, or the fake claim will draw something the real role would want, like a hit. It's entirely situational, and up to the person who gave the role to know what to do, in what situation. A list of who gave something to who, just lets mafia set up even more confusion, and makes it easier to fake-claim. Then, after his plan is shot down, he more or less disappears. You say it's just because everyone was negative to him, but for me, that shouldn't be an excuse to stop trying as town. When you come up with a bad idea, you try to fix it, or you find a better one, you don't just give up on it. Looking at his behavior, it seems scummy to me. Make a bad plan that benefits mafia, get told that it's bad, disappear? This doesn't sit well with me, because it seems like someone trying to draw attention away from himself after he proposed something scummy. So, for now ##Vote: Sandroba | ||
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On June 01 2011 08:21 Mataza wrote: I am very suspicious of your list, because Sandroba is on the list. Amber is voting Sandroba right now. I thought I bolded that part. This list is a direct contradiction to Ambers vote. The list isn't a list of pro-town players. It's a list of players he perceives as strong and influential. The point of the list, is that as people are killed off it, scrutiny is placed on the players remaining on it. It's meant for pressure and to promote people on the list to act pro-town, not to say who he believes the town are. So, it's not a contradiction, it just means he wants more pressure on Sandroba. | ||
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On June 01 2011 07:38 GMarshal wrote: Instead answer these questions. 1.) If you were a vigilante who would you shoot tonight 2.) if you were a kingmaker who would you make king tomorrow 3.) what is your favorite colour 4.) Of all the players with more than ten posts in the game at the moment, which seem the scummiest? 1) Rean or Tackster maybe, hard to say at this point 2) Sandroba, what he did with it would tell me his alignment 100% 3) Green, but I enjoy many colours, it depends on the object 4) I thought Sandroba, but I'm re-evaluating, maybe tnkted Did you answer your own questions, GM? | ||
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I brought his plan up, because it was related to why I thought he was scum. I didn't jump back to discussing it's merits, only that it was a bad plan in a way which benefited mafia. That was my bit of analysis, to add on to Sandrobo. However, his reactions and posts in the resulting shitstorm made me start to think he was less likely to be scum, and more likely to be a townie, pushing a really bad plan. That said, I'm going to place my vote on Tackster for now. ##Vote: Tackster Night. | ||
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Firstly, Day 1 wasn't very productive. I don't think this needs to be said, but it bears repeating. Among the newer players, you need to cut the back and forth. It doesn't amount to anything, and it only serves to clog up the thread. State your points once, clearly, and then only bring it up again when it's relevant. There was a lot of arguing, which only causes obfuscation, and lets scum hide behind it. We should also reduce the amount of one-liners and repetition. We get that you think someone is scummy, there's no need to repeat it over and over. For example, redFF, I can see you want to kill Mataza, but you don't need to express the desire every 10 posts, especially when you don't add anything more to it besides repetition. We also need to stop posting one-liners. They're useless, spammy, and normally barely relevant to the discussion at hand. Next, the sudden switch of the lynch at the last second was suspicious, to say the least. I think a lot of it was over-eager town, but it still sits oddly with me, to the extent that I'd suggest a DT check on San/Tack, and a vote-list check on Viscera lynch if possible. It's also unfortunate that BC was killed, as he could have been a valuable asset for town, and it was easy to see he was trying to help focus town. I'm going to go back and look at BC's posts to see if there's anything to learn, and I also think his Zodiac list bears looking at. Last, my thoughts for potential night actions: Detective-style roles: Tackster (For reasons stated) Sandroba (For reasons stated) GMarshal (Acting oddly in my eyes, worth a check) tnkted (Odd actions, claims lynch invulnerability and I'd rather not waste one trying) Palmar (Fist-bumps can be anything, it would be nice to know he's town, at least) Vote-list checks: VisceraEyes lynch, Day 1 (Reasons already stated) Mason style roles: Use your discretion. If you can pressure in PM, pick people who may be scum to ascertain their alignment. If you're unsure of your abilities, pick people who are likely to be town and strong analysts to collaborate with. Medics: Dropbear Node Use it on people, you think are likely to be town, and who are worth protecting or are likely to be hit. Vigilantes and other KP: I'm actually unsure of this at the moment. I might come back later after thinking it through more, but I hope they use their discretion. Just because you can shoot night 1 doesn't mean you need to, especially if you have no strong scum reads. Carpet bombing the town probably isn't a great idea when there's already so much confusion. | ||
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On June 02 2011 10:38 Mig wrote: I can't see any reason to sinani to lie about this. If he is lying and we didn't kill him. Then whomever gave him his role would tell everyone that sinani was lying and lynch him. Just seems like way too big of a risk for a mafia to take. So I think it is safe to assume he is telling the truth. In that case we should take the trade and have bum kill him that way we don't have to use any of our kp to do it down the line. It couldn't be a recruiting role, could it? As in it brings back BC, but changes his alignment? I'm trying to think of any possibility where scum would want to do this, and that's about the only one I can think of. The only other thing, would be if he's something like a methman or NRA member, but then he'd only do a 1 to 1 trade, and that's bad for scum, so it's unlikely. Also, if we send Bum in to do it, any possible traps become irrelevant, because they won't kill town anyways :p I think we should go for it, if we're sure of his alignment. | ||
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Last night I shot at Sinani, because I wasn't convinced that bum was an SK and not scum, and then further that he would actually shoot sinani because it would bring back the batman. Somehow, my shot was redirected to deskscaress. I also wouldn't put it past scum to frame me. Bum is scum, mafia has a redirector or busdriver, and I was framed. That's all I can think of. They didn't want sinani killed so that BC could come back, so they sent the shot somewhere else. If you guys want me to claim, I will. Can a roleblock stop the SK from killing? I don't believe Bum about being roleblocked, that's too convenient, especially because I know mafia have a redirector. | ||
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On June 03 2011 06:24 redFF wrote: get out scum. I don't think framing matters when Decon tells us you are scum in the OP!!!!! How does he say I'm scum? When desks dies, his ability puts the alignment of the player in public. If I was framed, my alignment would show up red. Even look at what Kenpachi said: On June 03 2011 06:15 Kenpachi wrote: Besides Bum, Wiggles is easily the strongest player in the game. With him gone, i believe Mafia is most likely a bunch of puppets. You think mafia wouldn't frame me? I'm likely to attract DTs, simply because I was on several Zodiac lists, as well as being a player whose alignment is hard to tell. What about what I'm saying doesn't make sense? The two things are completely unrelated. I was framed, and Sinani was replaced with deskscaress. This isn't some scum master plan, just a fucking terrible coincidence. | ||
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Look at what I wrote during the night: On June 02 2011 07:51 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Vigilantes and other KP: I'm actually unsure of this at the moment. I might come back later after thinking it through more, but I hope they use their discretion. Just because you can shoot night 1 doesn't mean you need to, especially if you have no strong scum reads. Carpet bombing the town probably isn't a great idea when there's already so much confusion. I had no idea who to shoot last night, and was probably going to save my shot to avoid exactly the kind of massacre that happened today. Than sinani claimed that he could revive bum, so I wrote: On June 02 2011 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: It couldn't be a recruiting role, could it? As in it brings back BC, but changes his alignment? I'm trying to think of any possibility where scum would want to do this, and that's about the only one I can think of. The only other thing, would be if he's something like a methman or NRA member, but then he'd only do a 1 to 1 trade, and that's bad for scum, so it's unlikely. Also, if we send Bum in to do it, any possible traps become irrelevant, because they won't kill town anyways :p I think we should go for it, if we're sure of his alignment. However, thinking about it, I weighed the risks that sinani was lying didn't outweigh the benefits that we would get from having BC back as a confirmed town analyst. As well, I wasn't personally worried about actually dying if it was a trap. Look back through my posts, what I said correlates to what I did. | ||
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On June 03 2011 06:34 Cthsazsa wrote: GUYS! I promise Wiggles is lying.  I created Desk's role and I specifically stated in the pm that I sent in that, "If you are killed, your killer's alignment is revealed to everyone". I am begging you guys, please do not believe wiggles, we need to lynch him first before we kill anyone else as he is a Confirmed Scum Mr. Wiggles,  Yes, your killers alignment, just like a DT checks alignment. However, framers make an alignment show up as red to all checks done that night. | ||
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On June 03 2011 06:41 Cthsazsa wrote: Wiggles there is no way to "coincidentally" or "mistakenly" be identified as scum. I even asked Dec if he was going to change my role, and he specifically said, This isn't a matter of not appearing scummy. You killed desk, and we are going to avenge his death with your blood Have you never heard of a framer? Here's what a normal framer role looks like: Framer You have the power to change how one's alignment and role appears to any detective type actions performed on them that night. You may use it on one person per night and may not use it on yourself. So, you're going to tell me, that in this set-up, with such crazy roles, there's no way that I could have shown up as red to a check, unless I was red? I mean, even Sandroba's role was a framer type role, and you're saying there's no possibility of an alignment framer? | ||
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On June 03 2011 06:46 Kurumi wrote: Yeah,but You're not going to share it because it is fast and You can't catch it,right. Wiggles,mafia would have no point in framing You,so stop it. Why would there be no point? The entirety of day one was a clusterfuck of bad accusations with shitty reasoning. Greens calling greens red. There were maybe two points of analysis done the entire day. Any intelligent DT would know not to check people based on those analysis. Then look at me. I wasn't incredibly active Day 1, only showing up at certain times to post, and not doing a ton of public scumhunting. I was a null-read, not scummy, not incredibly pro-town. If I was a DT, I would check myself, simply because it would be hard to get a read. Scummy people look scummy, and you lynch them, and pro-town people look pro-town, so you protect them. People you can't get reads on, you check with a Detective. A framer has to think like a detective. | ||
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On June 03 2011 06:49 Cthsazsa wrote: Wiggles please read the BOLD. You didn't have an action performed on you! You activated Desk's role by KILLING HIM!!!  Fellow townies please do the right thing It's a detective type ability. It doesn't matter if it's activated on death, it's still an alignment check, and thus susceptible to frames. I've told you what I thought, so I'm done arguing. I'm just going to post my thoughts on players now, instead of derailing the town more. | ||
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On June 03 2011 07:03 redFF wrote: Ok guys we lynch wiggles. No more discussion of that please. We now have a day to hunt scum. Less with the spam and retarded roleclaims, more with the scumhunting. GO look at what i have said about Mataza, he is clear mafia at this point and refuses to defend himself lol. Also, don't listen to anything bum or kurumi say, they are not town so it is best to ignore them unitl they give us a reason to lynch them. I'm still not sure who I'm going to mason with today if somebody wants to be mason'd then by all means tell me and I will consider it. Stop derping up the thread and start finding scum. No more Wiggles discussion, as steff seems to have confirmed that he was scum. Lets get on to finding the rest of them now! How am I confirmed scum? You're going to lynch another green because you don't give things thought and just blindly tunnel. I don't get how no one else is looking at this, and just accepting it blindly as true. That's what scum love to do, hide behind wrong DT checks and ride with easy lynches. Another day wasted. | ||
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On June 03 2011 07:09 redFF wrote: Stop, I wasn't even part of the damn town lynch. Also, deskcaress's role has said you were scum in decon's post. And steff has said you shot deskcaress. Deskcaress' role doesn't even look like a role that can be effected by framers. Also, who would make someone a framer??? Doesn't really seem very likely at all. Everyone ignore Wiggles from now on please. Lets look at some other scum suspects. deskcarress' role is a detective style alignment check triggered when he dies. It comes back with the person's alignment. A frame changes what an alignment looks like, to all detective style checks. Your next point, is terrible WIFOM, and you should know it. Town wouldn't make a role, which wastes a lynch, but hey, look, there's a coward who does exactly that. That role is even more anti-town than a framer. I'm also a roleblocker. So saying it's unlikely there's a framer, is terrible logic, and makes me think you just don't want me bringing the possibility up. Also, look at this: Sandroba the Painter has died You are the Painter. You're an artist, a man of creativity and come from a river of wit and inspiration. Each night you can paint any other player to another role you see fit. As a painter, your works are only 2-dimensional, they cannot come to life and thus any person you paint as a different role, doesn't mean they actually play that role, they just appear as that role when investigated. There is already a framer type role in the game, so don't give me that bullshit. | ||
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On June 03 2011 08:34 Jackal58 wrote: Hi guys. Your friendly neighborhood curmudgeon here.  First. My apologies to Sandroba. Stop saying stupid shit and I'll stop calling you scum.  Second. Palmar if you want a fist bump from me you need to promise us you will shoot Kurumi.  He's our serial killer. He still has a shot. I'm not real comfy with him running around with a gun. I'm not real comfy with you running around with a gun.  Third. Twinkles. I have no clue what his alignment is .but I can tell you he cannot be lynched. Don't waste the time and effort trying to do it.  Fourth. I have activated my role and I am now required to post exorbitant amounts of smilies. Get over it. And no I'm not sharing any more about my role than that. Pfffffttttt. The odds that Wiggles was framed at the very moment he shot desk is astronomical.  The odds he was bussed and framed and shot somebody else all at the same time are about the same as me getting laid tonight. Non existent. That is all.  ##Vote: Mr Wiggles I didn't shoot desk. I shot sinani. Also, I wouldn't have been bussed. Sinani would have been bussed, so my shot on him, would go to someone else, as would all other shots. I also have a theory on why it was to desk too. Scum definitely doesn't want BC back in the picture, and I'm guessing they were overjoyed that he got killed night 1, before he could reveal any analysis. The fact that I was framed as well is irrelevant to the bus. The two actions are completely unrelated. On June 03 2011 08:35 Kenpachi wrote: dont be so reluctant. If Wiggles turns out to be town, we get valuable info. BESIDES, hes not all pissy and didnt fuss about me shunning his attempt to say hes actually town. Believe me, he doesnt sound like a townie. DOWN WITH SCUM Yes, I am pissed, I just have good control of myself as compared to raging. Raging won't get this sorted out, and will only shit up the thread. I'm also not going to quote every person who doesn't believe me and yell at them that I'm not scum. That's spam, that's bad. It only causes chaos. I'm following my own advice here. Firstly, Day 1 wasn't very productive. I don't think this needs to be said, but it bears repeating. Among the newer players, you need to cut the back and forth. It doesn't amount to anything, and it only serves to clog up the thread. State your points once, clearly, and then only bring it up again when it's relevant. There was a lot of arguing, which only causes obfuscation, and lets scum hide behind it. We should also reduce the amount of one-liners and repetition. We get that you think someone is scummy, there's no need to repeat it over and over. For example, redFF, I can see you want to kill Mataza, but you don't need to express the desire every 10 posts, especially when you don't add anything more to it besides repetition. We also need to stop posting one-liners. They're useless, spammy, and normally barely relevant to the discussion at hand. I'm not going to do that. I've made my points, and given my reasoning. I'm not going to keep spamming the same thing throughout the thread, because that's not what town does. That's what people who have lost the ability to reason calmly do, and scum. | ||
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On June 03 2011 08:37 Cthsazsa wrote: Are you serious Mataza? Why the hell would you consider lynching someone else over an CONFIRMED SCUM. Steff can also confirm this. Why are you even trying to defend a scum? Yeah redFF is crazy, but maybe his speculation of you being scum is true. I'm going to start taking his voice into consideration. As for Bum, he can wait another day.  I'm not confirmed, stop throwing that word around, it's stupid. Scum like to use that word, to hide behind checks, but let me tell you this. The only time you're confirmed, is when you die and flip. There is no other thing that is confirmed. | ||
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On June 03 2011 08:51 bumatlarge wrote: Wow wiggles isn't letting this go. I like the effort, but town would be more idiotic then usual not to lynch you. As compared to an actual self-confirmed anti-town player who I'm 90% sure is mafia, right? ##Vote: Bumatlarge | ||
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On June 03 2011 09:01 bumatlarge wrote: IM CALLING OMGUS VOTE! SEE THAT GUYS? FoS! V0TiNg WiGg1e5 Well, when you have the entire town voting for you based on a faulty check with no analysis to back it up, voting for anyone is going to be OMGUS. Scum. | ||
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On June 03 2011 09:01 Barundar wrote: Modconfirmed red check ##Vote Wiggles Will read thread tomorrow... Firstly, it's not mod confirmed, I don't get where people got that idea from. It just means the results are what actually came back, not that they're correct about my alignment. I'd also like to see you post more, and with actual substance. You've done basically nothing this game, and it's starting to become pretty suspicious. If you're town, you're not doing a very good job of helping. | ||
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I want town to leave me alive, if only so I can shoot this Joker tonight. | ||
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On June 03 2011 14:53 hiro protagonist wrote: Why do I get the feeling that theres a lot of talking going on outside this thread. -_______- guess I will just have to wait till people come back here. some thoughts: Wiggles has got to be the vote. As jackal pointed out, there is very little chance that Mafia could have planed that. They did not know his role, I did. (unless he revealed his role in some mansion pm, but that does not sound like wiggles, or there is some daytime dt). It also makes sense for him to use his bullets, as if he is hit, he has no more of them. good to get the most use as soon as possible. The only thing that bothers me is Desk as a hit. why kill him, as he was not terribly useful imo. should the very unlikely happen and Wiggles flips green, Cthsazsa becomes my top suspect, as he gave sinani his role. ##vote Mr. Wiggles There is not a lot of discussion about the God Damned Batman's after death statement. I would like to hear what people have to say about this. Why did he say Lynch? does he know that it would not bring him back? does he think hes scum? Writing this, I realize no one can answer it. But it bugs me. Im fucking confused Did you not read what I wrote? This isn't a scum master plan. All hits on sinani were redirected to desks, to stop all hits on him, like a bus driver, in order to stop anyone shooting him and reviving BC. This way, no matter how many people shot sinani, no one would hit him. This wasn't an ability that was used on me, it was an ability used on sinani, so if there was a watcher on desks, or even on sinani, now would be a good time to say something if you have relevant information. A frame on me, is completely irrelevant to hits on sinani being redirected to desks. The two things were two different actions, on two different people, that just happened to line up and cause this chaos. Mafia didn't need to know my role. They didn't need to know desk's role. All they needed to believe was that shooting sinani would bring back BC, and that they didn't want that to happen. Also, lynching sinani, seems like a bad idea, don't even bring it up. He's claimed his ability only works on being shot, and so did his role creator. I'm thinking there might a scum with a role that lets him post through dead people, and that explains BC. I discussed a similar idea for a role with some people before the game, so it's not too far fetched. I still wouldn't risk lynching sinani regardless of why BC posted, when anyone who knows anything about the role denies lynching lets him revive people. | ||
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Serial Killer You win if you are the last one standing. You have a bulletproof vest that can survive two night hits. You also have a gun that has two bullets. Bum claimed complete invulnerability, Kurumi claimed SK. SK can survive two night hits. You can't shoot him to death, you have to lynch him. So no, I'm not the clear lynch here. I am not "confirmed" scum, there is no such thing as confirmation, until you flip, I'll say it again. Bum and Sandroba have claimed to be anti-town. There is absolutely no reason that town would claim anti-town. So, you're going to lynch me, who is town, over two as close to confirmed as can be anti-town players? Personally, I believe that Bum is mafia, not SK, and that he can be shot at night. I'll be willing to use my second shot tonight, on Bum, to call his bluff. Kurumi, I believe him when he says he's the Serial Killer. This means, we can't kill him at night, and that he needs to be lynched. So here's what I see in the thread: You want to lynch me, when I'm nowhere near confirmed anti-town, and keep both Kurumi and Bum alive. They are both anti-town, they've claimed so. You're worried about me using a kill tonight, when both Bum and Kurumi should have a kill tonight as an SK. I say: [*]We lynch Kurumi today, to lower night KP [*]I shoot Bum tonight [*]If he's still alive, we lynch him [*]If he dies, you can do whatever you want with me Put down your torches and pitchforks, and look at this logically. There's two people, who are both 100% not town, and you want to keep them around. That doesn't make sense. | ||
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On June 03 2011 16:36 Barundar wrote: Why do you believe one of them claiming over the other? Mafia want's to push SK's that helps town you know... I believe Bum is lying, because of how it came out, and also because I don't think kurumi would be dumb enough to claim SK for no reason when there wasn't suspicion on him if he was scum. There's no guarantee that Kurumi is going to do anything to help town, and I highly doubt he will. He's impossible to read, and very erratic. He's already killed a town player, and he'll continue to do so in the future. Even if he agreed to work with town, I don't think we're organized enough to actually give him a good target, and we'll continue to spill green blood. Remove the temptation and the potential now to spare ourselves further suffering down the road. That's my line of thought. It also lets us continue business more quickly, instead of having to waste a lynch on an SK when there's fewer people. | ||
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On June 03 2011 23:10 Cthsazsa wrote: Mr. Wiggles is fucking scum. I don't know why it's so hard for some of you to realize that. Most likely the other scumsters are the ones trying to defend Wiggles and the ones trying to divert attention away from his lynch by suggesting we lynch the SK's. Yes, we are going to deal with them later, but we need to lynch this obvious and confirmed scum TODAY. Fellow townies please stop playing like morons. Ignore posts by Wiggles and Kurumi. I advise you shouldn't pay so much attention to bum as well. Do not let those three guys influence your vote. Please use your common sense. That said, How ironic. You say to use common sense, but you are doing your best to act against it. Has there been a single piece of analysis done that shows how I am scum? Has there been any argument against me that doesn't solely rely on the check in the day post? Use your head, man. There's two people, one scum, and one SK, both anti-town, who you don't even need to analyze. All you need to do is use a little bit of logic. Town saw red text in the day post, caught the scent of blood, and now you guys can't think of anything else. Stop letting your emotions rule you, open your eyes, and use your head. On June 04 2011 00:54 Karshe wrote: Also, as I previously said, ##Vote: Mr.Wiggles We can't spend the entire rest of the game unsure if you are lying about your alignment and being the victim of a bus and run, hopefully you understand. Your death should help the town no matter what you flip. The entirety of this game is spent being unsure of people's alignments, or maybe this town doesn't get that. Let me bold it for everyone: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CONFIRMATION OF ALIGNMENT. I don't care, if a DT comes back with someone as green, or red. If there isn't any semblance of a case that can be made against them, you don't 100% trust the check, and if you reveal as a DT anyways, you're playing terribly. This is just a piece of general advice for the future, as a lot of the people jumping on me and not talking are newer players who are too naive to have distrust in a game of misinformation. Mafia is based on how you talk, and what you do. It's not based on sitting around, and waiting for DT checks to roll in. Play with decent people, and they'll destroy you if you only rely on blue roles to win you the game. No matter how much redFF likes to call for analysis to be done, he sure hasn't contributed at all. Probably the only person doing analysis so far, is Dropbear. The rest of you are too content to jump on a bandwagon with the entirety of the mafia and scream "kill the scum" as you lynch another townie. This complacency will kill us in the long run. Also, lynching for information is bad, bad, bad. | ||
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Not with confirmed anti-town, no, sorry. | ||
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# Torte de Lini: Scum + Show Spoiler + He has contributed literally nothing to the town. Most of his posts have been asking questions, and playing the noob card. I see this as an attempt at thread derailment, as well as trying to find an excuse to lurk without needing to give his thoughts. He was also fingered as mafia, several times in the thread, most notably by deskcaress, at the end of the night. On June 03 2011 03:18 deskscaress wrote: quoting this because if deconduo answered it, i missed it, and i honestly think this is a better course of action then bringing back BC if that means we need to keep a CONFIRMED NON-TOWN alive also, as an update on Torte De Lini who claimed last night that he couldn't post any more (i hypothesized that this was likely a soft-claim on a posting restriction, kurumi adamantly stated it was just IRL obligations), he has posted 13 times on TL.net since then, with 0 in this thread. DING DING DING SCUMBELL IS RINGING, I WANT AN EXPLANATION This, combined with the fact that my shot on sinani was redirected to deskscaress, lead me to conclude, that Torte de Lini, is most likely scum. # Kurumi: Serial Killer + Show Spoiler + He claimed it, so I see no reason for him to be lying. It was a bad claim, and I don't see why he did it, but I’m inclined to believe him. Call out his hits for him, and if he doesn’t follow through, you lynch him dead. If he refuses or shows any resistance to following town directives, kill him. Besides that, he’s useless due to his alignment. # Amber[LighT]: Town + Show Spoiler + He’s a dog. He’s also a dog who looks like he’s trying to help town. It’s hard to actually get a read on him when his communication is so restricted, but I get the feeling he’s town. Check him with a detective to be sure. # Jackal58 : Town + Show Spoiler + His big post during the night is probably the single best thing that’s been posted this entire game. He’s trying to get the town back on track, and knock some sense into the 90% of town that made day 1 useless. He’s green. # DropBear: Town + Show Spoiler + He’s been one of the only people I’ve seen who’s actually been contributing in a meaningful way. He’s not afraid to speak his mind, and from what I’ve seen, has actually done a bit of analysis, and not much name calling. # Barundar: No Read + Show Spoiler + He has like 4 posts, seriously. Get more active. # sinani206: Town + Show Spoiler + I personally believe his claim that he’ll bring back BC. Also, his posting smells of unsure green to me. If he were scum, he’d have a lot more direction and focus. This leads me to believe he’s green. # Mataza: Town + Show Spoiler + Maybe I’m biased here, but he feels like one of the only people who’s using his head and actually realizes there’s (since you guys love throwing this word around) confirmed anti-town, one of whom is scum, just traipsing around. He’s actually using his head, and not jumping on a bandwagon. Actually looks the greenest to me right now. # redFF: Scum + Show Spoiler + From his nonsensical claim Day 1, to pushing bad lynches, tunneling, and worthlessly arguing, redFF has done more harm than good to town, from what I can see. Now, on Day 2, he is one of the staunchest proponents for my lynch, and I’ll bet you right now, that he’s doing it to look pro-town, and will bring it up that way later in the game that he fought so hard for a DT check, even if it was wrong. There’s also another point to be made. He constantly calls out for town to analyze, yet does no work himself. You judge people by their actions, not by their intents, and redFF has only taken actions which harm the town, leading me to label him as scum. If he’s town, he might as well stop posting, because he’s not doing anything to help. # bumatlarge: Scum + Show Spoiler + He’s scum. no ifs, ands, or buts. | ||
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On June 04 2011 05:02 GMarshal wrote: DB, I didn't add anyone to my mason circle, I attempted to add Palmar but failed because I was role blocked. I started with a random member day one, I got Kurumi. Does your kill go through bullet-proof? You should probably off Kurumi tonight then, to lower anti-town KP. I really don't get that people want to keep him around, and that they think they can control his KP. | ||
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He's not a computer, but it would be stupid to reveal his role right now. He should also stop lurking so much. | ||
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On June 05 2011 02:01 Kurumi wrote: You're so fucking pathetic wanting me dead. Understand You dumb Townies,that mafia needs 3KP+Roleblock or 4KP to kill me. As noone claimed hit I am going to believe that Mafia Team has 2KP - 1 from their "own" and 1 from Wiggles. I am willing shoot where You want me,but as long You keep me the longer Mafia needs to worry that they need to push for lynch or waste kp on me. Why is town going to keep you around again? You do realize that you aren't part of town, you're a third-part serial killer who wins on his own. | ||
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On June 05 2011 02:48 Kurumi wrote: Because: I count as town for Mafia's objective to overrun townies I need to be killed by Mafia to achieve their victory Mafia needs to push a lynch or waste KP on me to actually kill me. Mafia need to hit you 3 times to kill you, as does anybody else. You count as scum for Town's objective to eliminate all anti-town forces. You need to be killed by Town to achieve our victory Anyone needs to lynch you to get rid of you Once the numbers get smaller, or mafia get eliminated, you're going to have to stop helping town to stop them from killing all the mafia, allowing them to focus on killing you. However, you've already revealed yourself, and have essentially thrown away most of your chance at winning 2 days into the game. | ||
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On June 05 2011 02:49 Jackal58 wrote: We need Palmar on board and with 2 kp at his disposal. Kurumi if we can prevent Palmar and Bum from shooting townies by killing you we not only save random townie kills we save ourselves from having to lynch you. Not my fault you claimed SK. Kurumi has two bullet-proof vests, you need 3 kp to kill him. ##Fistpound: Palmar | ||
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So, here are my thoughts for night actions. Medic list: Protect people who are contributing, and doing analysis. Don't protect people based on their roles. Remember, role does not equal alignment. So, even if Palmar has a KP and made it public, you can't assume he's town. Analysts will win this game if we can salvage it, not roles. Vigilante list: You should have some strong scum reads by now, so Night 2 is the night to shoot if you're going to. Shoot your strongest scum read, and if you're not sure, give a list of candidates to town if you've already claimed to get some night discussion going. What you don't want to do, is say which person specifically you want to kill, because then our bus-driver might save them if they're scum. Watcher/Tracker list: Follow and watch people suspicious, and who are supposed to do specific actions for town tonight. Those players are Kurumi, Bumatlarge, and Palmar. They've all agreed to do something for town, so now is the time to hold them to it and see if they go somewhere else. Detectives: Use your head. If you can't, check lurkers. Look at people you aren't sure of, or if you only have reads of who the scum are 100% (*cough cough*), use a DT check to make sure your suspicions are correct. Watch out though, because my framer's still on the prowl too. | ||
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Well, GL Mafia, screw you town. | ||
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Town was pretty bad, roles killed us more than anything. GG :p | ||
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