EPTFor now I'm sticking with bum, but you are making me queasy Palmar.
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For now I'm sticking with bum, but you are making me queasy Palmar. | ||
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On June 07 2011 20:02 Mataza wrote: GMarshal Can kill members of his circle. He has been quite dodgy as a player. Right now, his killpower is bound on killing Kurumi again and again until Kurumi stops or is forced to stop. If he is ever free to decide again, everyone in his PM circle should claim for their own safety, as he can only kill those. Right now he has Jackal, Bum and Kurumi as of my knowledge in his circle. Hate to disappoint, I only have Kurumi in my circle. Plus my kills are broadcaster as "the mysterious cult leader killed _____" so if I go on a killing spree its going to be very, very blatant (mind you, I'm about *this* close to going into GM rage mode at this point). Also LOL at Palmar claiming assassin. I dont buy it. Now I know you are scum, you claimed assassin to buy another night for yourself, so you can kill more townies, you are just banking on there not actually being any assassins in the game. Plus *even if* you are telling the truth, your alliance with the town is *worthless* as we cannot enforce anything we ask you to do, as if you really are an assassin (which you aren't by the way) then lynching you to "enforce" our demands is an utter waste. You are just desperate to survive just one more night, so you can deal maximum damage to the town. Wonderful strategy, at this point I'm convinced you are scum, and so is bum, you are just busing him because his night ability isn't as valuable, if I'm not mistaken. However it seems like the town is content to let you scooch by. Whoever the bomb placing guy is, do you mind strapping one around his neck? For when he isn't dead tomorrow, I mean. | ||
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Yeah this whole situation is making every single one of my scumsenses tingle. | ||
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On June 08 2011 01:33 Kurumi wrote: Palmar grants second kp to mafia team,bum has no power. Who do You do You think we should lynch,GM? Yeah, I'm switching over to Palmar. Bomstrapping guy, can you slap one around bums neck tonight? For me? ##Unvote ##Vote: Palmar | ||
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On June 08 2011 01:37 Palmar wrote: Cool, well I'd rather not get bombed, but I guess that's my fate for now. At least I've spared the town using bad lynch against me instead of killing scumatlarge. The only thing that's still broken in your analysis is the same thing all the people accusing me of being mafia have: Why would I claim the chaos13 kill if I was scum? The lynch is the town's strongest weapon. The mafia already knew that bum would be under pressure. What kind of an idiot plan would have one of their own randomly claim the chaos13 kill just to bus bum anyway. It just doesn't hold up. I'm an assassin, there are two more in the game. You claimed killing chaos13, because you are the only person with a known kp. Forestalling the question by claiming is a very nice mafia strategy, its one I tried using in PYPI. Yeah, I think you are scum. | ||
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On June 08 2011 01:48 Palmar wrote: Do it yourself. Killing me today is stupid. Are you guys honestly suggesting the mafia plan looked something like this? -> Step 1: Bus the mole, get town cred -> Step 2: Help lynch Wiggles, knowing bum is in trouble -> Step 3: Kill a cop, claim the kill, and lose every fucking gram of town cred we have -> Step 4: Claim assassin, bus Bum anyway, cause that's how I roll. -> Step 5: Get killed 4 mafia down, go us! This is not what will happen if I flip. All you will end up with is a wasted lynch, and Bumatlarge still alive. Actually its more like. Step 1: FUCK, mole is uber DT. I have to kill it! Might as well make the best of a shitty situation and get some cred. Step 2: Fuck, a red dt check. Have to bus. No choice. Step 3: I think I have enough cred to get away with killing a town DT, let me try it. Step 4: SHIT, they weren't as fucking stupid as I thought... I guess I have to bus bum as hard as humanly possible so I can still deal some damaged. Step 5: Well, it looks like they might actually get me lynched. SK claim sort of worked for my useless buddy bum, assassin would have been better though, I'm pretty sure there are no assassins in the game, let me try that. Step 6: Shoot townies at night, claim bus, mind control, or just "playing to my win condition", town can barely lynch me That sounds much more like what happened. | ||
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On June 08 2011 02:10 DropBear wrote: Still having net troubles. I haven't actually read the last like 20 pages cos it take too long for them to load  . Our download quota resets tomorrow (hopefully) so will be able to read up properly then.Can someone summarise for me very quickly why Palmar is a major lynch target? I still don't trust bum. He shot chaos13. Lied about his role, twice, once to secure an extra kp, so he could shoot again tonight. Then he claimed assassin, and offered to "ally" with the town. He is scum to the core, and he is busing his buddy bum so the mafia can have an extra KP tonight. | ||
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On June 08 2011 02:15 Cthsazsa wrote: Horrible town play, called himself the greenest person here because he killed a mole (obv scum move), continuously lied, killed the only DT-type role that we know of, now claims to be an assassin (This could also be a lie, I doubt there's five 3rd parties in this game). It's either him or bum. If we don't lynch bum now, we will always be wondering if he lied about his role and we will have to waste tomorrow's lynch on him. If we don't lynch Palmar, we will kill bum, find out his alignment, and there's a huge possibility that Palmar will die tonight. If Palmar isn't killed by assassins, Karshe's bomb will get him. My vote stays on bum. Both are scum. One gives them a kp for the night, the other doesn't. I'm not going to be wondering about bum's role, I know he is scum and lied about what it is. There is no possibility Palmar will die tonight, because there are no assassins in the game! if there were three assassins one would have assuredly flipped by now with 10 or so deaths, don't you think? He is claiming assassin because he thinks he can do it safely. Why don't we lynch Palmar and bomb scumatlarge? That way we both deny the KP, get to kill bum *and* have a lynch left over for our roleblocking friend torte de lini! | ||
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When Palmar shoots yet another townie tonight we can all "ohh" and "ahh" about how it turns out he wasn't the assassin, bonus points if bums powers turn out to be something like "can, once per game, track a player" I'm done arguing with this rubbish town. You guys are getting played like the town got played in Insane 2 by Kav. Props to you Palmar, your scum play is every bit as good as it was in SNMMII. Oh, and without knowing if there were watchers or trackers in play you had no choice but to claim the chaos13 kill, its simple logic, you'd rather claim an anti-town action you think you can get away with then risk being caught by a DT. As I said, I'm done arguing, Palmar is as much of an assassin as I am the tzar of russia and as much as bum is a serial killer. | ||
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On June 08 2011 02:41 Cthsazsa wrote: Bum is just as capable killing someone tonight as Palmar is. Then where is his kill? He is scum. Why hasn't he been using his second kp in the service of the mafia. HE LIED ABOUT HIS ROLE. HE IS SCUM, AND HAS NO COMPUNCTIONS ABOUT LYING! | ||
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On June 08 2011 02:48 Rean wrote: People can choose, bomb/shoot Torte de Lini or Palmar. Both are a good use of a shot because both are anti-town.   : We lynch Bumatlarge.Why? Why do you want to lynch the guy who may or may not have a kp and is anti town over the guy who is anti-town and has a kp? dsjdsakdsjkdsfjk Why do you people have difficulty grasping this? I've explained it in small words. Ok, you know what? Fine, if the town is going to play crappy as hell so can I. I am declaring GM's unilateral martial law. I am going to begin inducting people who are playing notably crappy into my circle and executing them. This measure is to encourage people to think. I'm done persuading people of things, I talk with my guns now. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://th05.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2011/118/d/7/death__the_grim_rider_by_scarypet-d1yrld6.jpg) Is me now. I'm pissed. | ||
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On June 08 2011 02:53 Cthsazsa wrote: Then tell us, since you think bum's role claim is fake, what do you think his real role is? Hell if I know, maybe he lost his powers when batman died, perhaps he is a roleblocker, he could be a one shot vote rigger, or maybe a time traveling clown. That is fruitless speculation, what I do know is he has no kp, as he hasn't used them. 1.) he is mafia 2.) mafia need to use kp asap especially if they are going to die 3.) there are no unaccounted for kp 4.) therefore HE HAS NO KP. End of that particular discussion | ||
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Don't even bother replying, this joker is dead tomorrow ^_^ | ||
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dskoasdfuoiasfdyufsdiuofsdhfsdauydsafosdfahjasdfoiewidoasdihoyd Ok, I want a dt on me asap, we need established town leadership at this point. Or you can vigi me and take me out of this game, I don't particularly care witch you do. I take full responsibility for this mislynch, I fucked up, big time However we still have a more than even chance of winning this. Bomber guy, plant some explosives on either bum or torte, we are lynching the other. | ||
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On June 08 2011 07:34 Mig wrote: GM who do you think is scum. And are we totally sure tdl is red? He has an anti town power but look when the vote was close he invited palmar and voted bum. If bum flips red that is a ton of town cred. Scumatlarge is 100% red, no doubt about it, I was wrong about Palmar, I'm not wrong about this. I'll spell it out, because its apparently not obvious to everyone, but RedFF has made it abundantly clear that he has been in contact with a DT, and now he comes out with this "100%" certainty that Torte is scum. Put two and two together. If you go back and read you can probably figure out who the DT is and everything. I'm sure the mafia has already. Other than that, I'm now really shaky on my reads, I've been thinking and linking things from the PoV that Palmar was red since he claimed assassin, I need to rethink things. For one hiro-protagonist's vote on palmar takes a new light. Plus he has been lurking hardcore. I'm honestly kind of shaken that palmar was green, I was 100% sure he was scum. I need a couple hours to gather my wits. | ||
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On June 08 2011 07:43 Mig wrote: Also GM nice town play. We need to establish town leadership so either dt check me or vig me I don't care. Wtf? How about you just play pro town and make good cases for scum instead of saying you don't care if you are vigd. What good town player ever offers to be vigd. The frustrated one. I was *really* sure Palmar was red, and now I feel like a worthless idiot, I expect everyone should be super suspicious of me, I practically spearheaded that lynch. | ||
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On June 08 2011 10:33 Mig wrote: That is bullshit jackal. You are an good vet did you really think mafia would kill their mole on night one? And you were around when I made the argument about mafia not even knowing his role when they killed him. Any experienced player should know how unlikely it was for mafia to kill their mole just to buy fucking palmar town cred. I mean if they really wanted town cred they would have used wiggles since he is 50x the player. This is shit the veterans would have picked up on if you were actually town. Something else everyone needs to consider, hosts balance the teams in terms of skill so one side doesnt get crushed. Now look at the town deaths on our side. Kitaman, Meapak, BC, Node all good veteran players. Do you think decu balanced this game with just 1 good vet (wiggles) on the mafia side? Of course not. Between bum, jackal, GM, barundar at least one must be mafia and it is a lot more likely to be 2-3 of them. Kill bum first then Jackal or GM should be killed after. I would prefer jackal and I will write up a full case for it if I get home early enough. Easy to pick on us, you who only showed up an hour before the lynch. Yes, I fully believed Palmar was scum, and shot the mole, knowing it was an uber DT. When I made the accusation I was not aware that RedFF had crafted Palmars role, but if i had know I would have probably pushed the lynch anyway. I made the argument that it was not for "town cred" it was to silence a DT, that was all, it was making the best of a crappy situation. It would not have worked with wiggles, as he had no kp, and the mafia would not have gotten into a convoluted lie to do it. Again its easy to demolish our arguments now, but if you had shown up sooner and argued it while I was around this might have been averted. As far as considering how the host balanced, that is WIFOM to the nth degree. You have no idea how the game is balance, how many newbs are mafia or if the host RNGed the alignments, basing *anything* on "this is how the host would have balanced it" is bad play at the very least. I eagerly await your case against jackal however. | ||
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