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On June 02 2011 04:31 Palmar wrote:
yo chaos
you're scum bro.
On June 02 2011 04:35 Jackal58 wrote:Because I believe he is scum. If you'd rather I could switch my vote to you. I think you're scum too.
That's some quality analysis right there you two.
Jackal, you have nothing to gain by not posting the reasons you think Sandroba is scum. Same with the reasons you think I am scum. Likewise for you, Palmar.
On June 02 2011 04:33 Kurumi wrote:
Chaos13,let prlphz defense himself OK?
I wasn't defending him. I was saying you two need to stop spamming up the thread with your back-and-forth bickering.
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What does that role even do?
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Two townies lost -.-
Oh well, we can't blame Vis for taking out the player he felt was scummiest.
Decon can you please do an official final vote count? 
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On June 02 2011 06:10 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 06:10 chaos13 wrote:Two townies lost -.- Oh well, we can't blame Vis for taking out the player he felt was scummiest. Decon can you please do an official final vote count? Are You advocating his decision? Are You crazy?
No I'm not. I don't want people raging on him because he made a decision that he felt would kill a scum though. When you get people's emotions rising in a game it generally takes the fun out of it.
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Palmar, the only reason that you've given for me being scum is that you "get a bad vibe". Not satisfactory, especially for a vigi kill.
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It worries me that so many of you are accepting Palmar's verdict of me being scum without him providing any evidence of it. Seriously town, step up your game a bit.
At the very least my death will be better than a different townies. One of you out there knows why.
You'll still be killing a townie though.
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On June 02 2011 06:53 Mataza wrote:
And killing chaos13 should be a nobrainer. Palmar declared himself some sort of fistpound-driven alignment checker. If you flip town, Palmar is marked for death.
Or does anyone want to do it Ace style, first kill the cop and then his claim?
Even if he is a DT-type role, I haven't fistpounded him. He has posted nothing to incriminate me so far.
bumatlarge, do you have to kill someone every night? If so, I would suggest either Mataza or GMarshal, but I'll be re-reading a lot of posts during this night phase, and that may change yet.
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On June 02 2011 07:13 bumatlarge wrote:Im not a compulsive Vig, I can kill someone, I don't have to. Treat it like a double lynch, dont feel forced to shoot anyone.
In that case I agree with EM. We should consider not killing anyone tonight unless we get a really strong scum read, as most of the Day's analysis was rather weak.
Mataza might fit that category.
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On June 02 2011 07:20 redFF wrote:
I've explained how and why mataza is scum, shoot him please :D
If we are to shoot anyone tonight, Mataza would be the one player I am most comfortable with.
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Are you able to tell us what will happen?
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On June 02 2011 08:57 sinani206 wrote:
Kill me please. Something good for the town will happen.
What happens?
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deskscaress, don't use the color=, just put green and /green within [these brackets].
I like your idea though. Depends on what Decon says about this.
Scenario 1
1. bumatlarge shoots sinani206 tonight. If he does not, we lynch him.
2. sinani206 can choose someone to revive. He picks BC.
3. BC's role now allows us to protect the first player shot at every night, effectively voiding 1 kill per night.
Scenario 2
1. bumatlarge shoots sinani206 tonight. If he does not, we lynch him.
2. Something other than reviving happens when sinani dies.
3. ???
Now, in Scenario 1, we have to remember that his role voids the first kill every night. This could be either a successful vigi hit on a mafia, or a mafia/SK hit on a townie. This doesn't seem like an overly powerful tool, and we can be quite certain that BC will be killed by mafia the consecutive night. Right now, however, mafia will not want to kill sinani, since it will bring back another player.
I don't think anyone should shoot sinani206 tonight.
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I don't want you to kill sinani.
Live Sinani206
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On June 02 2011 10:11 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 10:09 Mig wrote:
Ok well I say we have bum kill sinani. We can lynch him if he doesn't do it and bc is potentially our best player. We shouldn't pass up the opportunity to bring him back. If we bring him back he will be a confirmed townie and nightkilled immediately no?
Well, if there are other protection roles, BC would be their target. But this is all counting on whether or not some people were smart enough to assign medic-type roles.
Normally I would say to immediately bring BC back, because he has a protective role. But if the person bringing him back is the player who is tied to him...it just doesn't work as well.
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I think the only thing that could affect this role would be a bus driver. You can't really block a role that doesn't involve him doing anything that gets him killed.
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On June 02 2011 11:33 redFF wrote:Sinani why did you bloody claim -_-
I am going to repeat this, because there have been several who have claimed, including you and Kurumi. Granted, Kurumi's was a softclaim, but he confirmed it moments later.
DO NOT CLAIM UNLESS IT IS NECESSARY.
DO NOT CLAIM UNLESS IT IS NECESSARY.
IT DOES NOT HELP US.
IT HELPS MAFIA.
DO NOT CLAIM UNLESS IT IS NECESSARY.
I feel that required caps lock.
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On June 02 2011 12:28 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 12:09 sinani206 wrote:
The whole point of this game is to use or roles to town's advantage. I think that reviving BC is worth it. If you don't, you're probably scum. Well, if scum has responses to this, you are in a heep of do-do. They could shoot you the next night after lynching scum, and that would be an obnoxious flip of a really strong town power.
But that depends on whether or not sinani's power revives the last person killed, or a person of his choice.
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My response to Palmer's accusation. Thanks for actually writing something up instead of your oneliner FoS's.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 02 2011 18:30 Palmar wrote:3. Why Chaos13 is scumHere's the thing, I started thinking chaos13 was a cool bro, worthy of keeping around because he made sound calls like this: Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 05:31 chaos13 wrote:On May 31 2011 05:29 sandroba wrote:
Alright, I have a sugestion to make. Everyone should state which player they designed the role for. We don't know how much KP mafia actually has, so after today things might get confusing. This way we can implement LAL more effectively. I would also like to sugest that any person who claims before having any IMPORTANT (that lead us to scum) info or are very close to being lynched to be policy lynched. Only time it's ok to claim without meeting the above conditions is when town decides it's time to massroleclaim. Failing to claim at mass roleclaim will also result in a policy lynch. 1. This will not help us clear up confusion 2. Even role claims will not prove alignment. Roles were picked before alignments were known. This game will have to be won on analysis alone. 3. Do not mass roleclaim. 4. Do not fucking mass roleclaim. But let's look at some more stuff by him. I like people who call bullshit, but people who abuse lurkers and newbies to call bullshit on everything to gain town credit are useless. Just read through his damn post history... it's a disaster. First thing I noticed: Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 07:54 chaos13 wrote:On May 31 2011 07:49 kitaman27 wrote:
Voting varp cause he's scum.
Where's your evidence? Why do you care... the bro's got like 2 votes on him. Instead of complaining how about contributing your own analysis. All your posts up until this point aint got nothing in them except directions on how to play, not actually playing. So you want me to stop fostering discussion and trying to get people to actually contribute their thoughts to the game? When someone states that they're voting for a player without giving a reason, it's not a very pro-town move. I want to make sure that everyone explains their thoughts clearly in the thread so the rest of town can evaluate them and provide their own input. I don't see how this is scummy.Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 08:17 chaos13 wrote:
I haven't seen nearly enough to convince me to vote Varpulis. I also don't see how everyone is so sure of BC's pro-towniness. It doesn't look like he is going much beyond what anyone else is doing. That's not to say I think he is scum, I just do not feel comfortable being too lax and convincing myself he is town right from the get-go. Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 08:30 chaos13 wrote:On May 31 2011 08:26 Eternalmisfit wrote:Care to explain why you think that the zodiac lists are bad? I also find it interesting that you complain about spam while the entirety of your posting in this thread is fluff. I agree with him on this. If it was just one player who made a list and we all agreed with it, it would be helpful. However, in this case, mafia can just make a list of a few random names and say they contributed. There is no way to tell the difference between townie making a list and mafia making a list. Palmer, I think your thoughts on Varpulis are pretty good, but it could still just be a townie who is playing differently due to a different role or some other factor. If his defense against you is weak and/or more evidence against him comes up I may vote for him, but I want to consider other players as well. More defenses. If you think he's town, you ignore me, and provide a better alternative. Don't just tell me I'm wrong and vaguely, and very damn carefully claim you're kinda suspicious-y. Stop being useless, man up and give me something to work with if you don't want me to lynch Varpulis I said earlier, I'm doing all my thinking in the thread, because it always leads me to more accurate conclusions. I'm still not sold either way on Varpulis. Deal with it.Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 08:31 chaos13 wrote:
And he has a decent defense, so far at least.
Varpulis, what do you think of GMarshal? Good post bro. It was. I asked a player whose alignment I was unsure of a direct question in order to get him to contribute his thoughts on a player I was suspicious of. Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 09:26 chaos13 wrote:
redFF, I have no idea why you would have claimed that. From what you posted, you do not lynch that player, you just get to PM the player you put your vote on. You could have just done it and moved on.
This leads me to think you might be scum.
redFF scum, Amber scum
-redFF's claim is truthful, and Amber is faking a post restriction to cause confusion. redFF uses his power on Amber so he can say that Amber has confirmed a post restriction via PM, conveniently where nobody else can see it.
-redFF's claim is a lie. This one doesn't make sense unless he has a suicide role at night. It's too easy to be pointed out on Day 2
redFF scum, Amber town
-redFF's claim is truthful, and he is doing this to build town cred and figure out what to do about a potentially very powerful blue
redFF town, Amber scum
-redFF's claim is truthful, and he is trying to figure out what is going on with Amber. It doesn't make sense to claim in the thread, however.
-redFF's claim is a lie. Again, no reason to lie.
redFF town, Amber town
-redFF's claim is truthful and he is doing what is good for town and figuring things out. Still no reason to claim publicly
So, to sum up my thoughts:
1. It doesn't make sense for both Amber and red to lie, because their rolepickers will counter-claim tomorrow.
2. It doesn't make sense for red to claim publicy if he is a townie. He just gave scum his role.
3. This thought just struck me - we can't completely trust a counter-claim either. Scum have the potential to lie about that if it would be beneficial to them. yay, you get logic. hi5 bro. Everyone knew this, stop posting fluff. You would be surprised how easy it is to overlook one of these scenarios. I write them down and post them because then if my ideas are stupid, people can tell me they're stupid and I move on. Sharing my thoughts and opinion is not scummy.Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 06:35 chaos13 wrote:
I'm just going to completely ignore Amber, because a dogspeak role is absolutely useless and we've wasted a lot of time talking about it. He could easily be a mafia who saw that someone decided he had a post restriction, and started distracting us with it. On May 31 2011 09:30 chaos13 wrote:
Amber, will you be forced to post like this the whole game, or at some point will you be able to speak normally? nice contradiction bro. This is still less scummy than most things you've done in the thread. Opinions change. People told me my ideas on Amber were stupid, so I moved on. It took me some time to realize how he could be useful to us. At the time of the first post Amber was the point of discussion for a few pages, and nothing useful was happening. At the time of the second, we had organized a bit and my question was more helpful.Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 10:43 chaos13 wrote:
tnkted, what reason do you have for your vote on Coagulation? Questions, useless one liners and pointing out the obvious is almost the entire thing chaos13 has done this game. Coag is not even in the game. You expect me to let that go by without questioning it??Here's the best analysis in the game by jackal: Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 12:12 Jackal58 wrote:On May 31 2011 11:59 chaos13 wrote:
I think that would be a good idea. It will give us some focus.
The five I would suggest for this:
tnkted - has not been acting entirely pro-town. I definitely want some more input here.
Sandroba - I'm still not comfortable with his plan in the beginning.
Mataza - Reacted to very light (joking) suspicion at the beginning and was quickly defended (weakly, although lightly) by GMarshal and Palmar
Karshe - has posted and clearly read the thread, but has not contributed. Lurker.
redFF - reasons already stated
What does everyone think of this? I think you're scum. Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 22:19 chaos13 wrote:GMarshal, please grace us with your thoughts on varpulis and kitaman27. Do you think they are both scum, just one of them, or none? Why? Between the two, who appears to be more scummy, and why? While you're at it, why don't you tell me why you have consistently harassed people to start contributing without doing so yourself? Also why you mentioned a few times why zodiac lists and the type were useless without reasoning behind the names when you haven't actually given your own thoughts on anyone at all so far. This is your biggest piece of analysis so far: On May 31 2011 10:58 GMarshal wrote:
##Vote: Torte de Lini for someone who is supposed to be super active the only thing he has done is play the noob card. Step up your game man.
Who do you think looks scummiest right now and why? Your posting stance is noncommittal. Your vote commits a lot. What's going on here? The first few questions I asked on varpulis and kita will be a perfect opportunity to start contributing some more btw. Don't forget to answer them. Nice job calling out GM, at least he's not spamming the thread like you are. thing is, you haven't contributed for shit either. You're fluff-posting, that's damn sure, but nothing you say is of any real value to this game in particular. You must be right. It's not as if several players have already stated that they feel I am pro-town and have been actively trying to contribute. I have been doing my best to keep discussion on track and productive, I have shared my thoughts on players, if I felt a player was scummy, I posted an explanation of why. Nothing about that is fluff or spam.Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 10:17 chaos13 wrote:
I think Tackster is definitely a good candidate for a lynch. He lurks, posts some brief thoughts that don't really give away much information, and then provides another excuse for leaving again.
I'm also still unsure of redFF and tnkted, but they are not the scummiest players.
Someone I really have my eye on is GMarshal. I don't feel that his contributions have been as good as they could be, and his response to my earlier accusation of him was rather weak. Overall I'm just getting a bad feel from him. This isn't enough to lynch him, but I'll be watching.
As for what is going on right now - Sandroba and Jackal and everyone else in on this argument needs to stop. Neither of you are actually analyzing, you're just going back and forth with "you suck", "No you suck", "shut up scum", "you shut up". It's not providing anything helpful.
kitaman27 and Node, what do you think of GMarshal? Stop asking questions and being useless. Seriously, I aint gonna go through more of his shit and quote it here. Do it yourselves. This guy hasn't contributed shit to the game, he's posting oneliners, fluff, advice on how to play, going after lurkers and stating obvious shit. Nah, I've contributed, my oneliners have been brief and far between, as well as far less frequent than some other players. Advice on how to play is good for some of the new players, lurkers are a good group to go after (and I think I've only been after Karshe and Tackster as it is, I've focused more on actives) and anything obvious is my own thoughts as I sort things out. I have a tendency to take a while to get to a good conclusion, and I need others input on my ideas or they end up being detrimental to what I actually want to happen.This guy is a scum trying to be pro town. Can we please just agree on it? I don't mind, shoot him or check him, but this bro aint no good guy.
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red, that post wasn't a softclaim. It really doesn't hint at what my roles like. Trust me.
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Alright, I've been debating this for a while now. Since it is likely that I will die tonight, either from vigi or mafia, I'm considering posting all my notes on the game so far. I would have to do it within the next hour, as I won't be here around the Day post.
Pros:
-When I flip, town has the thoughts of a confirmed town player
Cons:
-Potential for WIFOM arguments as to why I died
-Could alter mafia targets for the worse
If nobody says anything within the next hour, I will post them. If enough people tell me not to, I will not post them. I really don't want all these to go to waste, and I think there is a good chance that I will be killed tonight.
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