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On June 06 2011 12:19 Cthsazsa wrote:
Kurumi, now is the appropriate time for you to talk!!
Did you get shot at last night?
Kurumi is on European time, so he won't be around till tomorrow morning.
He hasn't talked to me since I tried to sacrifice him, so I have no information as far as that goes.
Oh and apparently my sacrifice failed due to a mysterious disturbance in the force although I was not role blocked. I think that means that Kurumi activated his trap mage ability,
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On June 06 2011 12:28 Cthsazsa wrote:
GM, you're standard SK takes 2 KP to die and only has 2 bullets. Bum is a special case, in that his role allows him to shoot every night. TDL (I'm sure) was responsible for all the RBing, but Kurumi was able to shoot.
Why?
Because his alignment granted him 2 bullets. Not his role.
Bum is allowed to kill for an infinite number of nights, because his role allows him too.
Neither of them were lying.
Come on GMarshall, that wasn't hard to figure out at all.
GM what do you think about Palmar?
I think he is a townie who fucked up. He killed a mole N1, which to me is a pretty good indicator that he is town. I very much doubt mafia would kill one of their own.
I'll grant you that killing chaos was a *stupid* choice to kill our tracker, when it was pretty clear who it was, but I think that if he were scum he would have claimed a safer kill.
As far as bum goes, has he roleclaimed? If so, around what page was it?
Also if he had both KP from his role and his alignment wouldn't he use the ones from his alignment when his role abilities were rbed?
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EBODP: I see, in that case I have to retract my accusation of bum, as he is not lying... (well he might be lying about his role, but then his creator could have claimed)
Let me re-read palmar, and see what else I can come up with. I was almost certain bum was scum
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Thank you very much.
I'll reread the thread and rethink my assumptions tomorrow.
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So, I've made up my mind.
I'm not buying Bums claim. I think its a fakeclaim.
No serial killer in his right mind would *ever* claim, especially not one as experienced as bum. The only reason bum would claim that is if he thought it would buy him a longer life expectancy. As far as being roleblocked, I'm not buying that either. From a balance perspective rb's either block serial killer KP or they don't. Anything else is a gimmick.
Bum is lying to save his ass and is desperate to survive today for some unknown reason.
I'm not going to let him if I can help it.
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On June 06 2011 21:58 stefftastiq wrote:
@GMarshal
Bums role did accidently get spoiled when batman got killed - the post daypost said so :< but hes name got removed afterwards...
The name of the role got spoiled, as for the powers, for all we know he is a PGO or a time traveling DT that shoots lasers out of his eyes.
The only thing I'm 100% sure of is that if he were *really* a serial killer he would have claimed assassin, not serial killer, and still included the "immunity to night kills" bit to avoid getting shot.
The only people who would ever claim serial killer are mafia afraid of being vigied or dted.
Bum is scum.
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Fair enough. I'm going after the person I'm convinced is scum, you can go after Palmar if you wish, having re-read the thread I'm still not convinced he is scum.
His flip should prove interesting if you can leverage enough votes to get him lynched though...
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So kurumi, who are you going to vote for then? You seem convinced that both Palmar and Bum are scum, which do you want dead first?
and sorry about killing you -__-
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Oh, and bum lied, I am shocked and horrified, I never expected such a forthright person to *lie* /sarcasm
KILL SCUMATLARGE!
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Why did everyone shut up?
We have three lynch candidates we need to discuss, Scumatlarge, Palmar and Torte.
People voting for bum other than myself, give reasons.
People who have yet to vote, for who are you voting?
Those who have said that torte is scum (Rean, Kurumi and RedFF) how did you come to that conclusion?
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Sup pandian? Are you actually playing? If so are you ready to claim imba list checking, mass confirming, lie detecting, time traveling, panda loving, DT, jack of all trades?
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On June 07 2011 03:13 Cthsazsa wrote:Hey Sinani, stop lurking plz. Just because your death might possibly resurrect BC doesn't mean jack shit. Your role still hasn't been confirmed. For all we know you could be lying. Step up the activity and start contributing. Hey tnkted, stop lurking plz. Just because you're unlynchable doesn't mean jack shit. I'll be surprised if someone doesn't try to kill you tonight. Hey Hiro, stop lurking plz. I will be pushing for your death sometime in the near future if you keep this up. I can't believe you're lurking this much and town is okay with it. Torte being the roleblocker in no way means he is scum. Meapak even said that people who do a certain action are going to get roleblocked. I really don't think TDL has a choice on who to block. If TDL was scum, his scum team would know how to avoid being roleblocked. Meapak thought the people getting roleblocked were suspicious. I'm not going to totally believe Meapak's suspicion (He was considering Wiggle's BS lie, after all) but it's something to look into. That said, bum claimed roleblocked and I already proved why he is capable of getting roleblocked. I'm not buying GMarshall's scum claim. Torte's role description: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227186¤tpage=95#1884I'm asking everyone who thinks TDL is the slightest bit suspicious to read that post. It is unfortunate Meapak had to die (lol DropBear), as he could of given us some really useful info today. I don't think either TDL or bum are scum. Bum is a SK, and the Scum are trying to throw us off guard by centering discussion around him. My vote is staying on Palmar. As I said before, he hasn't done anything that makes him worthy of being called Town.
You are *clearly* not following the logic here, so lets imagine the situation from a scum and a sk perspective for a second shall we?
1.) You are Scumatlarge the fact that you were batmans nemesis has just been revealed and its likely that every vigi and their mother is going to target you. You need to somehow increase your life expectancy so you can at the very least force the town to waste a lynch on you. Your options are pretty limited, and since its almost certain that you aren't going to be town aligned you claim SK this serves two functions, 1.) it means you'll survive till dawn, and 2.) you can probably shove any lynch on you onto "real" mafia. While you will eventually be lynched, its cool as you can still die and win, you are really just buying time to get all your anti-town powers into play.
2.) You are the renowned mass murderer Bumatlarge , damn, the fact that you are batman's nemesis has just been exposed! Quickly you need to cover for yourself! Do you even consider claiming SK? NO YOU DON'T if you claim SK, you are *guaranteed* to be lynched at some point 100%, you can no longer win, you have essentially forfeited. NO SERIAL KILLER WOULD EVER CLAIM. If bum were really a serial killer he would have claimed assassin, or survivor, or town aligned but misunderstood, anything *but* an alignment that *guarantees* his death.
There is no fucking way bum is a serial killer, no way in hell.
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On June 07 2011 03:29 bumatlarge wrote::X oh dear GM you've got something backwards in situation 2, but I'll let you think about it 
Oh, please do point out why in the nine hells of bator a SK would ever claim, I'm eager to hear your reasoning.
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On June 07 2011 03:32 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 03:30 GMarshal wrote:On June 07 2011 03:29 bumatlarge wrote::X oh dear GM you've got something backwards in situation 2, but I'll let you think about it Oh, please do point out why in the nine hells of bator a SK would ever claim, I'm eager to hear your reasoning. Ask Karumi???? 
Kurumi is not a good measuring point of reasonable play. As much as I like the guy his SK claim was completely insane.
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On June 07 2011 03:41 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 03:30 GMarshal wrote:On June 07 2011 03:29 bumatlarge wrote::X oh dear GM you've got something backwards in situation 2, but I'll let you think about it Oh, please do point out why in the nine hells of bator a SK would ever claim, I'm eager to hear your reasoning. Why don´t we ask Kurumi, since he did.
As I said Kurumi is not an example of good SK play, he essentially decided to play pro-town. The measuring stick you use to judge bum's play as third party or town, or scum is entirely different
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On June 07 2011 04:42 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 04:26 Kurumi wrote:On June 07 2011 04:25 Barundar wrote:
EBWODP "Palmar" should read "Kurumi" It is highly likely that it went like that. The Pandain and Karshe case is uncertain,though makes sense. Urgh forgive me if I don't exactly by into what you are guessing... 6KP is still a lot, if Palmar is scum we need to kill him today to reduce it.
I thought you wanted to lynch torte?
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On June 07 2011 11:16 tnkted wrote:
Kill:
Torte de Lini for fakeclaiming that he blox GM (the tracker claimed that he watched GM and didn't see anyone visit the night GM claimed he was blox)
GM for fakeclaiming that he was blox
PEACE
Someone did block me N1, torte was tracked to me by someone AND I was roleblocked, check the day post.
Dont accuse me of lying, when it isn't true, defaming me is bad play.
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So, Palmar lied about his role?
I am now much more concerned about him being scum, I didn't believe it because I didn't find his posts all that scummy, but that really sheds new light on the whole situation...
Rereading now, damnit. Next person to lie I induct into my PM circle and sacrifice to the gods of mafia, this isn't making my job any easier.
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On June 07 2011 17:41 Palmar wrote:
Also yeah, tnkted is clearly wrong on the whole GMarshal thing. We have it confirmed that Torte de Lini roleblocked GMarshal.
If everything goes well, we'll be rid of bumatlarge, torte de lini and kurumi tomorrow.
It should be enough to push us ahead in the fight.
You lied. Twice.
Why should we believe that you'll shoot torte? Maybe you'll shoot someone else and claim "oh my shot was bussed" or perhaps you'll do it for our own good, much like not disclosing that you needed fistbumps to get your shot.
You've lied. Twice. I'm half tempted to move from scumatlarge to lynch you, just on policy.
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On June 07 2011 17:52 Rean wrote:
Don't be retarded. No-one is getting lynched on policy here, and no-one is getting lynched when we have a confirmed scum to lynch. Palmar can very well be scum, and if Torte de Lini survives the night he's almost certainly next.
He is lying. He lied to secure himself a KP, I can think of no good reason why he would lie to us to get his hands on a KP unless he was desperate to use it, the only reason he would be desperate to use it is if he were scum. I'm leaning more away from him being town the more I look at him.
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