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On June 01 2011 06:40 redFF wrote:
Sandroba i wasn't sure how useful my role was because i would have to vote the person I wanted to talk to. I figured the most use I could be day 1 was talking to our canine companion, and I didn't want the thread filling up with pages discussing if my vote was scummy and then filling up later on with people asking me to change my vote. My role is one that needs me to do things publicly and the less pointless talk on a townie with a "suspicious" voting pattern the better. I tried to use my role to allow Amber to talk to the thread and voice his opinions. I don't see that as being a scummy motive... I also stand by the fact that mafia will be trying to kill better players and better roles than me tonight.
Is it set up "Hey guys,it is Day 11 and I am still alive,isn't that amazing?! Guys? Where are You? Why are You in green blood? What are You playing silly boys?"
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Mafia A claims he picked for Mafia B,Mafia B agrees,it is true.
Mafia A claims he picked for Mafia B,Townie A disagrees and counterclaims,WIFOM(considering townie is not lying)
Mafia A claims he picked for Mafia B,Townie Suspect #1 counterclaims,we will lynch Townie.
And what info do You actually mean? Keep in mind,roles were handed before alignments were known to us,that means Mafia could end with DT roles,which is a pain.
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Suspect #1 = "scummy"
the first paragraph = we have nothing
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Would I be suspicious after the guy who could confirm my role is dead? Just because my "role picker" died does not mean I am scum,jeez.
It is rather a nulltell,it can go either way.
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On June 01 2011 12:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, I've got a survey.
1) Which do you consider to be more scummy; Active Lurking or Thread Derailment?
2) During the night, who do you think is going to be a top-priority target for Mafia?
3) Given the opportunity to Bro-fist Palmar, would you do it?
4) Between GM, Node and BC, who do you think has the most town cred based on this thread alone?
5) Between GM, Node and BC, who do you think controls the opinions of others the most?
6) Between Palmar's frattiness and red's Masonry, who's role do you find the most interesting based on information you have now?
7) Assuming you had the entire town's ear and you know everyone would believe you, what do you want to say FIRST?
If anyone doesn't feel comfortable answering my inane questions, feel free to ignore them. Everyone else, take note of who doesn't want to answer my inane questions.
You suggested lynching/killing BC because he is "Leader of Town",nice try but Incog played EXACTLY same style in PYPI,where I tried to get him killed as Mafia. When someone plays an important role in Town's mind they'll stay there and every slip is going to be caught.
That survey is shit. "Hey guys I am Mafia and I need some help who to kill and how to behave"
Nope.
You went downhill Viscera.
As I thought nobody is going to lynch bum,not even kita.
Wiggles "Don't worry bros,I will come in,vote on the guy the bandwagon is forming,he is the most safest vote,You know."
I will keep eye on You,Wiggles,this and BC's point about You derailing the thread makes me really suspicious,so take this as a warning ##Vote:Mr.Wiggles
BC,Prp's case is a bit fishy,I agree.Though we can't do anything about him now,because he is just a coward,I mean,he does not want go get lynched for the same reasons Tackster would.
I'd like to point out the change in Barundar's meta - in PYPI he was NEARLY lynched for being aggressive,insanely pro-town and such,now he is making opinions,though trying to stay low. This gives some town vibes in my opinion,he is playing safe,because he know how can it end.
Sand gives me a lot of town vibes also. He is really emotional in his posts and want US to believe him,sign of desperate townie (just like me in XXXIX)
BloodyCobbler is my best bet for townie right now,if we've got any medics get ready to work during the night,this might get ugly.
I dislike how Mataza did not respond to my questions. Are You scared?
You told me and Bum to stop arguing,disappeared.
Tnkted case is simple : alignment check him,easy as that.
I still believe there's a connection between bum and kitaman,so with redff and amber. While the first case is scum in my opinion,the second sounds more town,though "I need to vote to talk" thing might be easily used to avoid being suspected,because You don't need to jump on a bandwagon as scum.
I agree we should take a main suspect ,because in PYPI there were 3 (6 votes,6 votes,7 votes as far I remember) every was townie,giving mafia EAAAAAASY lynch.
I am sorry for being spammy and stuff,that's kind of my playstyle.
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Oh also on Rean,I liked how his first analysis was "I will quote every of his posts I know that's bad but I will do that anyway"
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On June 01 2011 21:04 Mataza wrote:
Yes I defend people. So?
I may have misread, but I think someone mentioned that he changed his posting behaviour because of RL drama. Can´t find the post now, but I think it was said.
*I do not defend his shoddy posting quality, I attack the argument that he should be more active because he was in the past.*
If he actually didn´t have any RL problems, I am of course wrong here. My bad.
WIFOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
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On June 01 2011 21:07 Mataza wrote:
Oh Kurumi, what exactly was your question?
After You told me and bum to stop arguing,I asked You to give something to discuss about.
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Tackster is leading with 6 votes from:
Mr.Wiggles
Sandroba
Varpulis
Node
Cthsazsa
Meapak_Ziphh
This is from the vote thread,nothing official.
Sandroba is second with 4 votes from:
Bumatlarge
Amber[LighT]
Prplhz
Jackal58
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Also:
People who did not vote:
Karshe
Chaos13
Tackster
Hiro Protagonist
BloodyC0bbler
Torte de Lini
Barundar
Stefftastiq
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I will take care of those things from now on I think,I will note who voted on who and what alignment he turned out to be.
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Oh guys,should I also make a file about people claiming/defending/attacking someone?
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On June 01 2011 21:47 stefftastiq wrote:my vote goes for tnkted as for the moment - might be changed later if he stands up and answers to the posts ive made - even tho i might be overeager and noob  - still dont like the attitude in his posts - doesnt really seem town friendly  I also wonder about his powa to be guaranteed in the late game :-) going to work, back in 6 hours to check how things are going #Vote tnkted
Really vague,is this really why You're voting him?
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Oooh,it was You not Rean who made entire big post quoting every post of Tnkted,nice.
Let me read them carefully...
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Stefftastiq,I dislike You emphasizing that someone is vet/noob every post. Though I have a new town read on You. I am going to buy that card for now.
About Your analysis:
You point out that tnkted is a vet,bringing entire post,ok. Also You show some emotions - You're a bit scared.
Tnkted point about Varpulis at least trying is not really strong,but good enough. Anyone who wants to bring discussion about something good(probably plan,night checks etc) is at least trying,while it is not like "he is townie" but it gives some townie points.
You agreed with his plan,still You're against him.
Pointing fingers IS BAD. Mass pointing is good for mafia though,because townies don't know which thing they should grab and shake to get information.
He is obviously trying to get Mafia attention and make Town leave him alone,as I said alignment check and we're OK.
Bill Murray = VI from PYPI,both Coag and Bill are players,I will go with that crumb in a while.
Tnkted tries to make us understand his role and motives.
Discussing about analysis is CRUCIAL,Mafia would want to run with crap analysis and get town credit for it because "I did analysis,cmon!" Bad analysis is scum or new town tell.
You end Your post with "I don't see that Tnkted is Mafia nor Town,he's just suspicious" then why the hell You picked him? How is he the scummiest person around You then? Because You claimed he is,but never made a clear statement about Tnkted. I call a safe play,which is mostly scum tell and I know myself because I've done same shit in PYPI. Still though I buy You being a new town.
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On June 01 2011 22:11 chaos13 wrote:
Alright, I go to bed and wake up eight hours later and this thread has descended into a whirlwind of even more madness and stupidity than when I left it.
1. Amber has not confirmed that redFF's Zodiac list is accurate, or even exists at all. I would conclude that the two of them are scum, but if they were, Amber would have been in here to confirm it by now. He needs to say something ASAP.
I agree. If Amber does not show up,does not confirm,tries to advocate himself with "I was busy" I think we should lynch redff then Amber.
2. Go look at the voting thread. We have 14 different candidates. FOURTEEN. How many scum are there? Most likely around 6 or 7.
YES,YES! I will take my vote off probably after Wiggles speaks up,even if not I am going to switch it.
3. VisceraEyes. This is one of the biggest bandwagons I've seen in a while. He posted a quick survey intended to generate discussion. It did so. Nothing scummy about that in itself.
That survey was weird and sinani206 pointed out it flaws.
4. BloodyC0bbler's suspect list. From a player who I've heard to be as experienced as you, that was a terrible, terrible post. Most of the players on there are just inexperienced. Bad analysis =/= scum. Think if you were on a mafia team and had a new player or two who was ready to go post their excellent analysis on an unsuspecting townie. Would you let them do it and draw attention to themselves? I know I wouldn't.
Noobtells are not scumtells.
Sure,but bad analysis is scum/noobtell. If You get a BAD analysis from good player,what does it mean? They certainly are not noob.
5. Lurkers. Mig, Karshe, Tackster, Kenpachi, hiro protagonist, Palmar, Torte de Lini, Barundar, and probably a few others I've missed. These are all people who have either contributed one or two posts every now and then, but nothing of substance, or people who posted near the beginning of the game and then disappeared.
We are trying to resolve this issue,I'd like to point out at Karshe,who did nothing yet.
6. tnkted's vote. He has already mentioned that it was on Coagulation because Coag isn't in the game. He has also said that it has something to do with his role. I'll say it again, cause we can't seem to get our heads around it, but role =/= alignment. If that is the only reason you're voting for him, I suggest you change it.
I do agree.
7. Someone earlier mentioned that Jackal58 was looking a little scummy. I agree, but he is also extremely hard to analyze. Even as town he is cryptic and aggressive, so there is no way to tell right now. I think the chance that he is town is greater than the chance he is scum right now.
I think I will look myself into Jackal's case
8.
I think we should definitely keep the idea of the Zodiac list in play, and put lots of pressure on the players who are on it. Here is my personal Zodiac list
bumatlarge
BloodyC0bbler
GMarshal
Meapak_Ziphh
DropBear
Node
Jackal58
kitaman27
Rean
Mr. Wiggles
tnkted
I feel that these players should have more pressure put on them to contribute meaningfully and regularly. So far, very few of them have been doing so. The chance that at least 1 or 2 of them are scum is high.
I am going to have to cast my vote within the next hour or so. Right now I have it down to a few candidates, but I don't think it will do any good today, seeing as everyone else has voted for a noob townie or some other random player. I don't feel that the two leaders, Tackster and Sandroba, are scummy.
Overall I agree with this post,the point about Sandroba and Tackster is valid. If they're indeed scum,we will know that really soon.
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@stefftastiq
We're not coaching here. We are playing Mafia here. If You continue to play bad,You'll get lynched,because You look scummy with bad analysis,reads,moves and such. I don't think You should pick at random,because You should pick THE SCUMMIEST person. I wonder why You just said that You wanted to derail the thread with that analysis what's the point? Unless You have something really hot and good,there's no point in giving excess information which leads us nowhere.
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On June 01 2011 22:59 stefftastiq wrote:@Mataza It wasnt me who said it was weak Well - I could call my vote a pressure vote? Im off.
I don't know. It is up to You.
Hey Prp,how is it going,running away from sinking ship,You little rat?
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On June 01 2011 23:05 prplhz wrote:
@Kurumi
There's really no need to get personal here. Just state what's on your mind instead.
You're not a person,duh,You're a rat. You had,SO BIG case against Sandroba,You even called him SCUM. You were acting like You were SURE he is scum and now "well I agree with chaos13,I will move my vote now" What? Sandroba has 4 votes,2 votes behind Tackster who is going to get unvoted after he comes back and defends himself. Maybe You just want to blend in? "I was SURE that SANDROBA(who is scumscumscumscum) was scum,but well he isn't scum because he isn't scum. Also what people have to do with Your opinion? You had a HUGE case,You needed to go with it,unless.. You are scum. The opinion that people don't agree/follow You (4votes,3 without You) is bullshit.
You did not answer my question too.
You're obviously bandwagoning. "If they decide to lynch Sandroba,I'll just jump in."
Thanks. You easily could get my vote,but You will taste by bullet this night,for safety measures with this game,since we have one person already immune to lynches.
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On June 01 2011 23:13 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 07:38 redFF wrote:
Oh and Amber's Zodiac list
Wiggles
GM
Sandroba
kita
bum
visceraeyes
BC
Meapak
Dropbear
Jackal
Cesar Milan at your service :D *wiggles his tail*
*pets doggy*
Good boy. Any more info?
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