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Mataza
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Because high prioirity targets get targeted(obviously), the list gets smaller all by itself, which means you might check someone who dies the same night/gets framed. And poor Amber. (Whatever I try to write, it sounds dumb) I hope you´re not mafia, because it´s gionna be hard to analyze bark, whimper and growl. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
But Amber being a dog doesn´t proof anything. For all we know there could be some weird stuff in this game like a mime who knows everyones role but can´t speak. The only way we find out reliably is having that person dead or a rolecheck by someone confirmed. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Yes, grrr means disapproval and wiggling the tail means approval/happiness. I congratulate you all to your first pet. Instead of stupid morse code(that shit gets freakingly huge fast), we should ask directly so Amber can quote and answer the question. Amber, are you a dog with special powers? Or are you only unable to speak? If first is true, do you have any meaningful knowledge advantage(from being a dog, not as player)? | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
I think the people on the list are more prone to any night actions, by town and mafia alike. Checks inside the list have a higher chance to be framed or otherwise messed with. So logically these people would be targeted by mafia while there probably is one or more scum inside the list too. But I do not have any experience with zodiac lists yet, so take my opinion with a spoon of salt. Playing the first time with most people I do not have any authority on this, but the people I heard about being around longer are: + Show Spoiler + Kenpachi Varpulis tnkted Node bumatlarge Amber[LighT] BloodyC0bbler People I have also heard about are: + Show Spoiler + Mr. Wiggles GMarshal sandroba kitaman27 Barundar Meapak_Ziphh I checked just now and I am not that far away from the actual 6 person list that was posted by Sandroba. I am still a bit confused what we are supposed to do with lists. Medic protection of course, but dt checks inside or outside the list? And you veteran people: Would anyone you know post an anti town role before knowing his own alignment? I fear it´s unlikely, yet possible that we have misinformation role(s). What I mean is, if there is few to no misinformation roles, it´s safe to check inside the Zodiac list. But if there are, it suddenly becomes a questionable decision. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Even though we had some telling questions Amber did not react to them. Knowing if our super duper dog has night powers or bonus knowledge for being unable to communicate would be my first priority if I was the dog. Since he didn´t answer those, I guess he is either not allowed to answer those questions or only allowed to communicate with certain people. Also since he answered to "do you want me to focus on you" with a yes, there is either something Amber has to tell us or Amber is forced to crave for attention. I sure hope Amber won´t die from being ignored, that´d be cruel. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Just kidding. But if Amber deserved a check, then Palmar certainly does too. While we´re at it, I think Fistpounding does something. Besides pounding the fist of the other guy... It would be hilarious if people lost their life if he fistpounded them a second time. But that´s too crazy right? I´m going to sleep now. Have fun fistpounding and take care of the doggie. Ah, and find Mafia while you´re at it, ok? | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
#fistpound Palmar Let your power explode! So yeah, I have put marks down in the thread and will be back shortly after reading more indepth. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
So here´s the thing: There are things we are not expecting(yes obvious). We have 33 people and 33 roles. Yet Mafia have only 1 Kill per night. A reasonable amount of people for scumteam would be somewhere around 5-9. This is not slightly off balance, this is "WTF is this shit?". Looking at these numbers, I would refuse to play the mafia side, because of pointlessness. So my take is that there is a huge area we don´t know shit about. I could think of several options, but the point is, this is not helpful. I just mean to say we shouldn´t be surprised to either 1) see people killing without actually having a killing role. 2) see that mafia team has a strong density of killing roles. 3) find out that we have a rather high number of neutrals(like upwards of 4) Now this info alone is useless. However it would become more useful if we had an idea about the number of existing killing roles. Come the next day I would suggest claiming whether or not one assigned a misinformation or killing role. Because killing and misinformation are the antitown traits we should get a grip on them. In another instance, I reread kitaman27, chaos13, meapak, varpulis and cthsazsa. None of them scream red to me after rereading. Varpulis has been a bit erratic since before the game. cthsazsa has been extremely short in posting. Nothing much to work with, other than added unusefulness. chaos13 seems rather legit. Other than asking why Karshe paid attention to his list, talking about the only person on the list he knows, there has been nothing odd. Meapak was maybe a bad call by me to check in the first place. Without any meta knowledge I´d say he looks 100% ok. Then again, people often use past games to judge veterans and I didn´t. Kitaman27 on the other hand is experienced and looks quite erratic. Rather short and unhelpful, while also very quick to vote. Unless some vets tell me that is normal, this is going down as scummy in my book. His only longer post is about Mason roles in general. Everything else is short and choppy. Barring an extraordinary defense, Kitaman27 is guilty in my eyes. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
I should doubleread y.y Yes, one of those 5 people kinda screamed red to me. The moment I wrote that line I was not considering Kita specifically. Also the possibilty of Kita behaving like Ace clouded my mind. No one behaves like Ace all of a sudden. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
At least I am not looking into any jokes or small talk from you. I am looking at this: On May 31 2011 07:49 kitaman27 wrote: Kats analyze when they feel like it. Not when they're told. Voting varp cause he's scum. Maybe I am just blind, but where is your case? You first announce your vote and then 3 hours later you deliver reasons for it? Normally I know why I vote at the moment I vote. And those aren´t outstanding reasons, are they? On May 31 2011 10:22 kitaman27 wrote: meh mostly a random vote to get things started. Spammy, apologetic, and posting fluff. He tells town we should be looking elsewhere, without providing suspicions of his own. (redacted) Also you want us to cut on the useless discussions, yet you you didn´t contribute anything noteworthy, even though you posted. Yes, mason roles are good, obviously. That doesn´t count as contribution. So please go ahead and start helping town. Pointing out bad ideas is the least useful contribution since it doesn´t lead to anything getting done. And on a side note, I so hoped Bros would have a PM circle. Darn. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Ya know, the last thing I wanna risk is having a bro´s ego inflated by fistpounds, making him explode or something. No really, if ya share love ya gotta also share knowledge. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
First of all, there is not much of kitatrain right now. Secondly, the "I won´t change unless you bring a solid defense" is what you did as mafia, too. Problem is, you CANNOT have a solid defense in a mafia game. Doubt is the normal state towards everyone. You might as well ask for the holy grail before the crusade even begun. And I don´t exactly buy that more fistpounds are beneficial without any strict numbers behind it. Carrying over to the next day I could understand. Increments tied to certain numbers I could understand. But every single fistpound being beneficial is just weird. It has to be either percentual increments or full numbers of people then. And full numbers of people is what I greatly fear. Last game, you broke this bros heart. This time it ain´t gonna be fixed with a fistpound and smile. Imma never trust you again. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
I looked into 5 people who gave me a strange gut feeling, and only kitaman actually kept giving me that after rereading. Its a pretty weak case, and I consider his role and his meta behaviour to be possible explanations. I can´t truly judge his meta behaviour, but his responses are unsatisfactory so far. That´s all there is to it from my side. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Every little thing you read influences it. It may change several times a day. A vote, on the other hand, is a big commitment to me. It is my sign of dedication towards my opinion. It won´t move that easily, and therefore placing my vote should have a greater impact. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
But there is also no point to it. He got a strange role, get over it. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Also lightning reveals. Keep than in mind for day2. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On the other hand, everyone is gonna read out of the analysis what they want to, so it will always seem smart. That is, because we are only presented puzzle pieces and put them together ourselves. Still, Sandroba dropped under the radar, that much is true. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
You are just arguing for the sake of disagreement... | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On May 30 2011 06:24 sandroba wrote: Hey guys, I'll be on the US on vacation from may 31 - june 15, so you won't be seing my usual 10+ posts per day, but I will be active anyway. Just don't kill me on meta pls =). | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On a more serious note I don´t like people who announce pro town behaviour but don´t really get around to it. Deskscaress remains rather inconclusive in his longer posts. He is a bit caught up in the concept of WIFOM, and that is at least an indicator that he is not our savior. WIFOM is for people who are not immune to the poison put in the drink after all. And Palmars role could be seriously anything. I even hope it contains a bro fist deathray as that would be utterly hilarious. "He ran, but he couldn´t really flee. The last thing he heard was a deafening "Brooooooo!". The next day he was found dead due to fistpound related injuries. Always get some brotection, bro" I wouldn´t care much if I lose as long as that was the reason. | ||
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