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On June 16 2011 08:11 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 08:10 GMarshal wrote:On June 16 2011 08:09 Palmar wrote:
Does anyone here NOT agree with this plan:
I want people to say they agree, or amber can wiggle his tail at my post.
Tonight: Shoot Cthazha, who will death vig Karshe
Tomorrow: Lynch redFF
Next night: I shoot GMarshal
That should cover it, aside from mafia kills? Yeah, did we forget about steff? He is a person playing too, and could be scum, kind of important to account for. Well there were 2 mafia on the jackal lynch, and those are your miller role and dropbear. So he's kinda clear-ish barring a godfather role.
I'd *really* rather we not bar a godfather role. I'm not as sure about it as I was about the miller, but theres a good chance that one of the weaker roles has a "you return town to alignment checks" pegged on to the end of it to make it slightly stronger.
Anyway, its a moot point, I would shoot redFF in your position and see how it plays out tomorrow, but thats up to you ^_^
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On June 16 2011 08:14 Palmar wrote:
It's decided, I'm sending in the kill command on redFF now.
I suggest lynching GM tomorrow if redFF isn't mafia.
No worries. You just won the game for us ^_^
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On June 16 2011 17:35 Palmar wrote:
I think the best way forward is the tackling the situation based on it's simplicity.
Assuming everything on the board is correct, redFF is mafia, so we kill him
Assuming everything on the board is correct, but GMarshal is both miller and scum, we kill him.
If GMarshal flips miller, we're back in a situation where we have to analyse the remaining players
See thats the type of thinking that gets towns killed.
What would the point of a miller mafia be, anyway?
Its irrelevant, redff will flip red, but that type of logic is absolutely terrible. If redFF flipped green you would want to try to find a gf, not kill a confirmed miller, especially with lylo fast approaching.
@Csth, sorry for calling you a her, your name ends with an a, so my mind automatically makes you a girl. I'm sure I'll do it again, so I apologize for that too.
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On June 16 2011 18:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 17:39 GMarshal wrote:On June 16 2011 17:35 Palmar wrote:
I think the best way forward is the tackling the situation based on it's simplicity.
Assuming everything on the board is correct, redFF is mafia, so we kill him
Assuming everything on the board is correct, but GMarshal is both miller and scum, we kill him.
If GMarshal flips miller, we're back in a situation where we have to analyse the remaining players
See thats the type of thinking that gets towns killed. What would the point of a miller mafia be, anyway? Its irrelevant, redff will flip red, but that type of logic is absolutely terrible. If redFF flipped green you would want to try to find a gf, not kill a confirmed miller, especially with lylo fast approaching. @Csth, sorry for calling you a her, your name ends with an a, so my mind automatically makes you a girl. I'm sure I'll do it again, so I apologize for that too. This is the only logical way to continue. Are you kidding me? You of all people should know that role has nothing to do with alignment. If the person who created your role created a miller type role, he'd still have no guarantee that you're town, would he? So the defense of "What would the point of a miller mafia be, anyway" is ridiculous in this setup. And there are still good reasons for killing you. As I already said I have switched to action based analysis, and everyone has pretty pro-town based action.
Its *not* the only way to continue, there are much better ways to progress forward.
But its irrelevant, RedFF will flip red and I'll be able to laugh at your suspicions.
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On June 16 2011 19:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 18:45 Rean wrote:
I highly doubt people created a miller type role. It sounds like something Deconduo did to balance things out, which means we probably also have a townie miller (godfather). Why wouldn't it get listed in the OP?
Because a "godfather"/"town miller" is part of a role which are not discussed in the OP. What is included in the OP are the different types of possible alignments
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Where is my victory post?
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Well, that was *not* what I was expecting....
The hell....
FUCK.
Ok, time to reread the thread....
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On June 17 2011 06:13 Karshe wrote:
Sigh. Pretty sure we've been duped by GMarshal, Palmar. It's either him or Cthsazsa, who is a zombie.
Based off of redFF's role, GMarshal could have gotten 25% lucky and falsified a Miller claim, knowing it was his best way to take the heat off. It's a stretch, but it's definitely possible.
Then why was I so sure that there was a miller all of yesterday?
Trust me, I haven't falsified anything, or else I would have thrown in something about "since you are always out at night you always avoid the first hit to target you" in order to throw the mafia off further.
I haven't duped anyone, One of Csth, steff and Karshe is godfather go, its a question of figuring out which.
Actually, I have the beginnings of a plan.
Palmar, of the above three, is there any you trust to be town 100%?
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On June 17 2011 06:24 Palmar wrote:
##Vote GMarshal
Thats stupid and will cost us the game.
Answer my question, outside of rean is there anyone you trust 100% to be town?
Also, I might as well throw this out there from a balance perspective, it makes no sense for me to be a mafia miller.
Seriously what are your arguments for lynching me again?
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You call this an argument?
Let me break it down, my commentary in bold
+ Show Spoiler +On June 16 2011 07:26 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 07:01 Rean wrote:
Palmar, for the love of god, please vig redff. Even if by now you still don't think he's scum, shoot him just to shut him the fuck up. Shooting GMarshal would be ridiculously stupid at this point. I'm interested. While I haven't stated I'd shoot GMarshal there are several good reasons for killing him. Let's have a look at his "accomplishments"Calling out bum, whose role got leaked. Well so did I, and I am bad.
Voting for Wiggles... well duh.
Killing Kurumi, again... duh, he was an outed SK.
Killing Jackal, once again, obvious choice, I am bad at this game, and I was independently calling for exactly the same thing, I think before GM called for it.
DropBear: yes, this was good. I will agree to that. But was it a bus or was it a good call? So I did all these "obviously" pro town things, while the rest of the town twiddled their thumbs, I produced a monstrous, in depth analysis of DropBear but you are just handwaving it all away as if it were nothing, because some of the stuff was "obvious", when some if not most of the town was not doing this "obvious" stuff. Quite simply, if the jackal lynch was clearly the best move, why wasn't it an unanimous vote?GMarshal keeps rehashing these achievements in his defense, but most of it seems like obvious reasoning. Now let's move on to reason number 2 to shoot GMHe has a freaking KP that we can't control. No, no i dont, 2 daggers, as redFF revealed, the only thing I can do now is PM peopleAnd finallybumatlarge Eternalmisfit Kurumi Jackal58 Karshe GMarshal Amber[LighT] Cthsazsa Rean hiro protagonist GMarshal Palmar Rean DropBear stefftastiq Amber[LighT] two lists. both lists have two mafia on them. By exclusion the remaining mafia is GMarshal or Amber. Except, of course, there might be a miller type role. so Rean, if you know something I don't. Please explain why GMarshal is a bad kill? I think I'm shooting redFF, but I really want to know why you say killing GMarshal is stupid. But wait! we KNOW theres a miller, and by induction that there is a GODFATHER role.
Seriously man, you have NO case against me, are you so scared of me you are going to kill me without thinking? Or are you pissed I got you lynched? because from a logical perspective your actions make *no* sense...
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On June 17 2011 06:45 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 06:37 Karshe wrote:
I guess I forgot about Steff since he has been "confirmed" town for a day or so, hrm.
Palmar, what reasons do you have for trusting Cthsazsa? I will not volunteer myself to be shot because I am town and it's the wrong choice... but our list of suspects is dwindling.
He created Wiggles's role.
So, you are 100% sure he is town? Like, "willing to bet the outcome of the game" on him being town sure?
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On June 17 2011 06:59 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 06:35 Rean wrote:
I'm fairly confident that Cthsazsa is town. GMarshal being a mafia miller just makes no sense, but it could be redff's role playing a part here. But I doubt GMarshal would've bussed DropBear like that. That leaves stefftastiq and Karshe, who both have used their roles in a seemingly pro-town way, but they haven't really done anything else. I think they'd be the best lynch/vig targets for now. Something about stefftastiq just feels scummier though.
##Fistpound: Palmar
Oh, and I alignment checked Amber but as you might have guessed that didn't really lead anywhere. Why did you check amber and not karshe or Cthsazha Anyway, what should we do?
I have a plan, but it depends entirely on how sure you are of your read of Cthsazha. Are you willing to bet the outcome of the game on him being town?
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On June 17 2011 07:18 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 07:04 GMarshal wrote:On June 17 2011 06:59 Palmar wrote:On June 17 2011 06:35 Rean wrote:
I'm fairly confident that Cthsazsa is town. GMarshal being a mafia miller just makes no sense, but it could be redff's role playing a part here. But I doubt GMarshal would've bussed DropBear like that. That leaves stefftastiq and Karshe, who both have used their roles in a seemingly pro-town way, but they haven't really done anything else. I think they'd be the best lynch/vig targets for now. Something about stefftastiq just feels scummier though.
##Fistpound: Palmar
Oh, and I alignment checked Amber but as you might have guessed that didn't really lead anywhere. Why did you check amber and not karshe or Cthsazha Anyway, what should we do? I have a plan, but it depends entirely on how sure you are of your read of Cthsazha. Are you willing to bet the outcome of the game on him being town? your plan depends on me trustin you're town. I'm going to take my advice from Rean.
Nope, this is a plan that makes me lose if I'm mafia, let me get it written up.
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Its time I handed you the game guys, since its obvious no scumhunting is going to help with people who showed no real thought thought the game. Palmar is sure Cthsazsa is green. So, I'm going to gamble the entire game on that one read, mostly because I agree with it.
This plan is going to abuse the fact that the mafia lacks enough KP to kill all the confirmed townies, so what we are going to do today is lynch Karshe, because I find him more likely to be mafia than steff. Then Palmar will shoot steff. If Karshe flipped green then steff will flip red. That night the mafia has to kill rean, which if I were mafia only leaves me, Palmar and Cthsazsa, if we reach that point, then Cthsazsa and Palmar lynch me. Its a win win situation, whatever happens we kill all the unconfirmed townies and leave only Palmar and his #1 (and my #1) town read alive.
Again, if I'm scum, I can't win with this plan. Which is why we need to follow it.
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On June 17 2011 07:23 Palmar wrote:
did you stick anyone in your circle tonight GMarshal
Cthsazsa, I'm talking with him right now, we are discussing steff as a possibly better lynch candidate than Karshe
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On June 17 2011 08:06 Palmar wrote:
i like GM's plan.
One change,
we lynch Cthsazsa the last day and he kills GMarshal
I'll be the last man standing
Works for me. Its not like we are going to get that far anyway.
So, who do you want to lynch today?
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Also, if we are going with this plan, do we want to speed up the day/night? Just for the sake of being done already....
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Look, this sounds idiotic, but I don't want to belmish my town record by getting lynched as a townie, do you mind saving me for last?
I'll even vote for whoever you tell me, its just a question of pride. (yes, I know its stupid, sorry)
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On June 17 2011 08:29 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 08:27 GMarshal wrote:
Look, this sounds idiotic, but I don't want to belmish my town record by getting lynched as a townie, do you mind saving me for last?
I'll even vote for whoever you tell me, its just a question of pride. (yes, I know its stupid, sorry) No, because the hole in the plan is the (unlikely) chance of you being mafia and (again unlikely) having a sacrifice KP left. No offense, but I like my bases covered.
RedFF revealed my role, I don't have any KP left, and fuck it, you know I'm almost guaranteed to be town.
Lynch steff instead, Cstha has a pretty decent analysis of him written up.
All I'm asking for is a little trust, for getting DB lynched at the very least. I think I earned it.
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