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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 21 2011 03:45 GMT
#1289
On May 21 2011 12:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2011 12:37 Ace wrote:
And I think if it's that simple then some of them are definite Scum. If KillerSOS gets lynched and doesn't flip Scum that will be the second day in a row the same thing happened.

Rather than making insinuations would you care to let everyone know who the scum are in this group?


hold on cowboy. Unlike you guys I do things bit by bit. The reason we are in this slight state of confusion is because everyone wants to throw out so many scum accusations. Patience.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 21 2011 03:48 GMT
#1292
On May 21 2011 12:44 bumatlarge wrote:
Balls, we should lynch node instead

EVERYONE VOTE NODE, do we know what rose colored glasses are going to do? No, only the user and inventor does. So what do we make of when we see "Sunday morning suprise!" or "tea leaves and vinegar"?

I don't like it at all, a person everyone feels is scummy is getting away with a role thats too powerful to be in mafia hands, even for just a day. I'll switch once someone on killerSOS, (he claimed tracker god dammit...) gets off, because killerSOS is a phenomenally retarded lynch. Mafia at work tut tut.


hah. It's interesting now that you mention it since I also glossed over it. A major suspect claims inventor and there isn't a fuss? v_v

I've got a gun but I think I need to use my role check on someone else tonight.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 21 2011 04:10 GMT
#1301
I've actually got a theory depending on what KillerSOS flips. Pretty sure some of the Scum team got nailed today.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 21 2011 04:15 GMT
#1303
Just shows we're on the same page
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 21 2011 05:20 GMT
#1337
Yes, and in fact multiple ones. Like I said, thats TWO days in a row Incognito lived via last minute wagons on others. First Kavdragon, and now KillerSOS. Needless to say tonight I'm shooting Incognito.

Anyway here is my list of the Scum team at the moment:

Incognito
Chezinu
Radfield
Mr.Wiggles

Let me explain before unRadfield starts frothing at the mouth.

First of all like I said about Incognito - besides his earlier play and the fact he picked America, it's people saving him. Someone earlier said Incognito isn't Scum because no one was defending him. That couldn't be further from the truth. On both days when the heat came to his doorstep miraculously a few posters jumped to his defense and voted for shoddy targets.

First day it was KavCaprio.
Second day it's KillerSOS, who just so happened to claim Tracker and confirmed I did visit Radfield last night. Now that he flipped Town you know this wasn't a setup.

Conveniently the only thing "saving" Radfield is that he was on the wagon for Barundar and not Kavdragon. Not really much saving since Barundar ended 1 vote shy of the lynch tied with Incognito.

However Radfield's defense has been very bad. I TOLD you guys it was just too convenient that the man ignored his own plan and picked America, and then tried to weasel his way out of it. But since Radfield has been Incognito's number 1 defender and should be smarter than this I firmly believe he is Scum.

Chezinu, yea ok. Nuff said.

Mr.Wiggles...sigh. This one is actually the weirdest or "loosest" of them all but I believe he is Scum. This stems from the fact that of the list of 6 people TWO were scum and he had King lynch power.

Why would you lynch Original Name? For a townie wanting to find Scum the obvious lynch was any of those 6 targets. Lynching anyone off of the list got you nothing unless it was someone most of the town believed to be Scum. ON was NOT one of those players. There were what, 3 maybe 4 people accusing him? Why not lynch chaoser if you wanted to lynch someone off the list? My take is that knowing chaoser is under heavy suspicion, lynching just one "randomly useless townie" made the perfect scape goat move.

But the real cracker here?


Incognito:8
infinitestory
killersos
ace
tnkted
foolishness
chezinu
OriginalName <---HOLY SHIT BATMAN!
bumatlarge


ON was one of the people on the list that voted for Incognito before the deadline. By eliminating ON he not only killed a "useless townie" but also dropped the vote count on Incognito by 1, making it easier to lynch KillerSOS.

Of the 4, Incognito and Chezinu are definite Scum. Radfield I'm leaning towards heavily being Scum because his defense and ignorance of the wagon derailment TWICE isn't just a coincidence. Wiggles, yea whatever.

Add in the fact that Flamewheel dies and there is just too much coincidence to ignore here. Tonight, I'm shooting Incognito. Tomorrow, we vote off Chezinu and Kingmaker kills Radfield or Wiggles. It's about to be Day 3 with no dead mafia and I'm tired of watching you morons point fingers in all the wrong places. Anyone who doesn't wanna follow my lead can kick rocks. I'm doing things my way from now on.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 21 2011 05:22 GMT
#1339
EBWOP: All mentions of KavDragon should read "KavCaprio". Thanks.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 21 2011 05:28 GMT
#1341
Speak on it Fishball.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 21 2011 05:43 GMT
#1348
On May 21 2011 14:39 infinitestory wrote:
inb4 Node is town inventor, and Incog and Node are bussed tonight.


damn I forgot. I guess I'll just investigate someone's role instead then.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 21 2011 17:25 GMT
#1370
On May 21 2011 18:44 Incognito wrote:

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Ace's guide to playing mafia


Ace does not fail to disappoint. This game should be a great example for how to play politics and how to play mafia.

Lets look at Dreamflower's points against Ace. First, she points out that Ace is tunneling off of very little information, and isn't looking at other people's suspicious actions. Only a few posts into the game, Ace suddenly comes to the conclusion that I'm mafia because I'm finger pointing, and pushes that point through the thread. Yes, I was finger pointing. But why does this make me mafia? Ace gives no such reason. Instead, he continues to push this idea until it finally becomes the truth. Between day 1 and now, Ace has successfully turned the small point about finger pointing into a mass lynch Incognito movement. This is exactly what mafia wants to do. They want to push bad lynches while inflating the notion that the target is "scummy". Once the target flips town, the accuser merely points to the evidence that the "target was scummy". And they are likely to get away with it, given the fact that they've gotten half the town to believe that "target was scummy". So what has Ace been doing here? He's been pushing a movement to lynch me off of shoddy evidence while hiding behind his "finger pointers are suspicious" shield.

Let us examine the point about finger pointing. Is finger pointing inherrently suspicious? It is true that mafia want to lynch townies. It is also true that it is generally bad for town when there are multiple candidates out on the field, each with shoddy reasoning. It is also true that bandwagons formed on shoddy reasoning are anti-town. The crux of the matter is that it is anti-town when townies are lynched on shoddy reasoning. Ideally, the mafia want to push innocent lynches without being linked to the lynch. Mafia want to start a bandwagon on townies without being noticed. Why would town want to finger point? Generally, it is a bad idea to vote without explanation. Yet plenty of townies have done it, some to apply pressure (read: Foolishness in XXXVII for Seraph). Inactives also tend to do this. Is this pro-town behavior? Generally not. Is it an indication that said player is scum? No, townies do this all the time. So in general, while finger pointing isn't a very town-friendly action, it isn't a "scumtell". It is a slightly anti-town action that may be good support for other evidence that someone is mafia, but it should certainly not be the basis for any scum accusation.

The second piece of Dreamflower's analysis is critical. She points out that Ace has literally ignored all my real contributions, hasn't criticized any of my actual points, and hasn't said anything definitive about anyone (except me and Radfield, who Dreamflower points out was also accused off of shoddy reasoning - Ace accused him because he started the Barundar lynch, even though we have no evidence of Barundar's town alignment). Note how Ace also doesn’t respond to Dreamflower’s accusation, but simply points out some errors in Dreamflower’s post that aren’t crucial to her argument.

If you go back to look at Ace's posts, Dreamflower’s accusations are accurate. Ace ignores all my early game points about the politician/vote rigger combo, town roles, and thesis about how the game is progressing. Now I would perfectly understand if Ace disagreed with my points (people like Radfield certainly did). Yet he didn't do that, he merely ignored my post and throughout the whole entire game has refused to acknowledge the fact that I made some key contributions to the discussion. In the meanwhile though, he attacks me for asking people to reread the thread without specifying anything special. Its clear Ace is reading my posts. Selectively reading, that is. Ace is glad to point out where I'm scummy, yet fails to acknowledge some pretty important contributions I have made.

Ace agrees that Kavdragon is suspicious earlier in the day ("something piqued my interest), prods him for a few pages in the thread, and even agrees that Kavdragon is timid, but then turns full circle and attacks me for leading the Kavdragon lynch. This is an excellent example of how mafia play. Ace is really the one who starts the Kavdragon lynch. Yet in public opinion, I am responsible for the lynch. Here's what happened. After Caller and Ace get the ball rolling, I fall for the bait and go on a rampant lynch Kavdragon train. My confidence and thread influence work in the mafia's favor this time and is perfect for Ace, as he can now do a 180 and appear to be "saving" Kavdragon while assigning responsibility for the lynch to me. When Kavdragon pops up town, Ace immediately points out the Kavdragon voters as super suspicious while making himself appear like he tried to stop a town lynch. But what did Ace really do? He accuses Kavdragon of BSing when Kavdragon claims he is "trying to gather information", and tells Kavdragon that he won't live til day 2. Later in the day after I have already started on the lynch Kavdragon train, Ace comes out and agrees that Kavdragon is acting timid, thus throwing more fuel onto the fire. Ace never votes Kavdragon, and toward the end of the day, switches his vote back to me (from Radfield) and states that "suspicious are the votes on KavDragon". Complete 180 from his previous (vicious) attacks that Kavdragon wouldn't live to see day 2 and that he was so timid. Once Kavdragon flips green, Ace trumpets the alarm, cries foul, and pretends like he never had a hand in the Kavdragon lynch. This is an example of perfect execution of scum play. Ace shows a textbook example of how to effectively finger point as mafia. Unlike me on day 1, he actively gives reasons for Kavdragon’s scumminess (the reasons are false scumtells, but they seem convincing as reasons nonetheless). This accusation catches fire, which leads others (Caller and myself) to take notice and agree with them. Once we build cases of our own, Ace then backs out right in time to pin the responsibility on me, using it to add fuel to the anti-Incognito case. As evidenced by the fact that he uses the Kavdragon lynch as a reason to paint me red, Ace clearly did not simply change his mind about the Kavdragon lynch. He intentionally started the lynch and blamed it on someone else. Townies have no reason to start a lynch and then turn around and accuse people on the bandwagon. Ace is hiding the fact that he was a major contributor to the Kavdragon lynch.

Continuing on into day 2, Ace pops up and cries foul yet again after checking Radfield. While it is very likely that Ace is a capitalist and truly did check Radfield, his announcement does a brilliant job of adding fuel to the fire and furthering his case against "the unRadfield/Incognito duo", which is a complete fabrication. While it is true that Radfield has defended me, it should be pretty clear that Radfield is actually trying to think things through. In any case, Ace's cries of foul play further cast suspicion on Radfield even though Ace never reveals what Radfield's role is. Ace accuses Radfield for not following his own plan (hardly an indication of mafia), and announces to the world that Radfield "tried to pull some slick stuff", implying that Radfield has shady play without giving details. Ace creates a drama about Radfields role, gives out no details, and uses this to further his anti-Radfield case (at this point Radfield is inexplicably tied to me in his eyes). This effectively furthers mafia goals and places doubt on Radfield without Ace having to lie or show any real analysis. Could this action have been done by a townie? A townie has no reason to make a big fuss about Radfield’s role if it is not an absolute indication of scum. After Radfield says that anyone who knows his role should understand why he did not follow his own plan, Ace accepts this explanation, yet still “wonders” why Radfield didn’t follow his plan. Soon after, Ace drops the issue. From Radfield’s explanation, it seems clear that Ace should’ve already known the answer before asking the question. Which means that the only reason Ace could have asked the question was to cause a commotion and spread doubt about Radfield. Ace makes no conclusions and provides no further insights. His reaction to Radfield’s “its obvious” explanation shows that he wasn’t being inquisitive or trying to figure things out, he is intentionally spreading doubt.

The vote list also furthers his case against me. Note however, that none of this evidence singles me out as mafia. He trumpets the "kill people on the vote list" mantra to make people want to focus on killing me instead of trying to go for some other suspects. He accepts the vote list at face value, and frames any attack on non-vote list suspects as irrational and anti-town. However, as I and others have pointed out, there is no real reason why we should have utter faith in the vote list. Ace himself even admits that he believes that the possibility of having a framer/GF is high, yet continues to pressure people to focus on the vote list. By focusing on the vote list, Ace is attempting to get townies to conclude on their own that I am mafia, once again without providing any analysis. Here's how the psychology works: Ace emphasizes that 2/5 on the list are mafia and that it is irrational not to lynch off the list. This causes people to think to themselves, "2/5 are mafia, so who do I think are the most suspicious?" Given Ace's constant pushing that I am mafia, townies are likely to subconsciously come to the conclusion that I am mafia, especially if they don't have the time or the willpower to go back through the thread and do a careful analysis. In essence, Ace's reinforcement of the vote list guides the players to the conclusion that I am mafia without him having to provide analysis.

Once I nuke Chezinu, Ace again picks at the weaknesses in my posts while ignoring how my actions run counter to what the mafia would want to do. He claims that I agreed that America was an anti-town role (I did not), that I am going against my day 1 plan (I did not have a day 1 plan), that if Chezinu flips mafia then I am bussing him (no reasoning), and that I am anti-town because I did not discuss the nuking. Yet later he declares that "Chezinu is the obvious scum for sure". Is not discussing the nuking anti-town? Well, by itself, not discussing the nuking can by no means be claimed to be a pro-town action, but it isn't necessarily anti-town either. I had many reasons for not discussing the nuke, including not wanting to be bought by a potential mafia politician. Not discussing the nuke doesn't say anything about my alignment one way or the other. Notice how Ace goes about attacking me here. He tries to pin me on ideas I didn't say, paints America as an anti-town role, and questions how not discussing the nuke is pro-town. What he basically does is picks out errors I make and questions how they are pro-town. Logically, yes, not discussing my nuke is not pro-town (although its not anti-town). Ace uses biased questions and frames them in a way that makes me look guilty, when in fact I am not. He emphasizes things that are easy to paint as anti-town actions, while at the same time ignoring contributions I have made that show I'm pro-town. This is exactly what mafia want to do. But mafia is a game where you cannot judge someone as mafia just by how many sketchy actions they make. Proper analysis considers all of a players actions and analyzes them in the context of “what makes this action an action that only can be made by mafia”. Ace has not considered this, and his case against me is flimsy at best. His points consist of minor “scumtells” such as being on the wrong lynch (twice now), finger pointing, picking America, and nuking without discussion.

In conclusion, the evidence shows that Ace is undeniably mafia. His actions perfectly align with a mafia mindset, and he carries out actions that could not be made by a townie. In the Kavdragon lynch, Ace is hiding from the fact that he is a major contributor to the lynch, and with the Radfield day 2 commotion, Ace was intentionally spreading doubt.

Ace has effectively planted the "Incognito is finger pointing and thus mafia" idea into people's heads. Once I flip town, he will get off the hook because everyone will believe the "fact" that Incognito was scummy, when in reality, Ace has merely fabricated this entire idea. This reminds me of the movie Inception, which, ironically, features Leonardo DiCaprio. I must applaud him for this cleverly thought out humor.


Is that all?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 21 2011 17:37 GMT
#1371
On May 21 2011 21:28 Radfield wrote:
Well, this is unfortunate, but I've independently come to the same conclusions about Ace as Incog. Unfortunate because that is not the general consensus right now, and is probably an unpopular opinion. Incog obviously needs to be lynched though, as no case against Ace can progress with all the suspicion hanging on Incogs head. If Incog flips red(as many think will happen) then obviously Ace is prob clean.

To be clear: I will not progress a case against Ace until Incog is dead and his alignment ascertained.

First off, while I'd love to keep this to myself, the mafia should be able to deduce my role by now anyways, if they haven't, they're really bad. It also seems like there's some sort of ball of suspicion gathering towards me, so lets have this out.

Clear your minds for a minute everyone, throw away any impressions of me, and really just look at the facts I'm presenting here. It's easy to skim read, but I really ask you to consider the following:

Consider for a moment, that you are a role cop. Night one, you decide to investigate Radfield. You know he said he was going to take Vote Rigger(in his plan), and you're curious as to if he actually did. Night ends and you get you result back. Radfield did not draft Vote Rigger as he claimed he did, rather he drafted bulletproof. So, knowing this, what is your first thought? Is it: Hmmm, I wonder what possible reason Radfield drafted bulletproof for, he said he was going to draft Vote Rigger, I should post in the thread and put some pressure on him to see if I can discern his true reasons. OR, is your reaction: Oh, of course radfield took bulletproof. Given his history, it makes perfect sense. Obviously I should keep pretty mum about his role, as his role becomes useless if ever outted.

For those who do not know my history, you might be confused as to why it would be obvious why I drafted bulletproof. I feel fairly confident in this claim: No other player on TL has been shot as often and as early as me. I have died Night One or Night Two in every single town-aligned game of mafia I have ever played(except one). At least half of those have been night one deaths. I have even been shot on Night Zero.

Any player who know my history, would not be suspicious in the least when finding out I drafted bulletproof. Regardless of the fact that bulleproof is a poor role for mafia to have chosen, when there are a number of roles which appear town aligned, but also significantly help mafia. If I was mafia, WHY WOULDN"T I HAVE JUST TAKEN VOTE RIGGER?? It's an awesome role for a mafia to have, and would've give tme a huge amount of power down the stretch.


Done with the role. Judge for yourself if Aces response to that information was strange, or if it was my role choice instead which was strange.

Say what you want about my actions this game, but they have been transparent. Wondering why I voted a certain way? There's reasoning there, so go look. Wondering about anything I've said? It's been reasoned out and explained. I was wrong about KillerSOS, and frankly I think I was wrong about Barundar on Day 1(though you'll notice I have 180ed on him).

Fact of the matter is, I was willing to ignore KillerSOS and let him live after his claim. Read the thread, my thought process was there. BUT, he claimed to have tracked Ace(really bad luck). If he had tracked practically anyone else but the one public visit we already knew took place, then he was in the clear. It really seemed like a bs claim at the time.

Blech. Infinitestory, I'd love to hear why you think I'm scummy and I really hope it's not just because Foolishness and Ace have repeated it like 10 times each(effectively casting doubt on the analysis of a player known to have good reads). Is it because I am linked to Incognito in your eyes? Is it because I have been willing to stick my neck out and go to bat for certain players? Is it just a certain feeling you have?


You guys really need to stop with the "does it make sense for Mafia to pick role X". We don't know that as no one has flipped Scum yet in this game.

Secondly when I investigated you and you flipped BP I was surprised because you were one of, if not the main person discussing roles pre-draft. Whether or not your history shows that you always get shot it IS a valid point to bring it up.

You think Scum that is unkillable at night doesn't become a problem? Especially if it's someone like you that the town would have a had time getting lynched by the day?

A bulletproof Scum with pro-town cred then only has to worry about Day Killing roles. So yea, you're "Scum wouldn't pick X" spiel goes out the window.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 21 2011 17:55 GMT
#1374
Yea Radfield has some imaginary thing going on as to me softballing him. The suspicion was warranted but if I really wanted to screw him over I would have just outted his role.

Either way it doesn't excuse what has happened the last 2 days.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 22 2011 01:20 GMT
#1391
On May 22 2011 07:38 Incognito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 06:53 Radfield wrote:
Anyways, we have more pressing matters at hand. For what it's worth, here are my thoughts heading into night.

If we are dead set on lynching Incog tomorrow, then we shouldn't bother to waste any actions on him tonight.

GMarshal should get a bulletproof vest from Node. This opens them up to a suicide bomber, but we risk worse by simply encouraging everyone to protect him. Having node make the vest leaves whatever other protective roles we have open and able to defend other key players.

Obviously alignment checks in the list, but with a possible framer/godframer out there it may make sense for DTs to go with their guts.

tnkted is a good role check(bus driver) though there are other good targets as well.

Protective Roles:

Deconduo is for sure town in my eyes. I understand your argument ace(I am difficult to lynch), but it certainly doesnt apply to decon.

Meapak_Ziphh is also almost surely town. I had a strong townie feeling on Dreamflower, and Meapak is independantly oozing green as well.

Fishball is town partly because he's playing reverse mafia tactics. Coast and don't bother contributing at the beginning of the game, contribute more and more as the game goes on.

A few other players are surely or very likely town as well(you can check out my list a few pages back), but I doubt will be particularly juicy for mafia to hit.


At this point, another mislynch will be disastrous for us. I'm going to ask everyone to kindly read over my Ace analysis with the view of trying to find mafia. Obviously, if I'm mafia, I'm going to try to save myself. But at the same time, as a townie, I'm going to do that too. As a townie, I'm also going to try to find scum. So dismissing my analysis because you think I'm egotistical or I'm just trying to dupe you again isn't a very good move. Consider for yourselves whether Ace is truly mafia or not before deciding to lynch me.

Radfield: going ahead and lynching me because lynching Ace would be an "unpopular" move is not very pro-town. If you agree that Ace is mafia, then you have to see what he's trying to do here. He is trying to get massive political support for both our lynches when there really is no evidence. It doesn't make sense to go ahead with lynching me if you see that Ace is mafia. You say that I "obviously need to be lynched, as no case against Ace can progress with all the suspicion on my head". Can you clarify this statement? I don't understand the reasoning as to why Ace is unlynchable until I'm dead. If Ace's behavior indicates that he is mafia, as I've shown, then we should lynch him, period. Our goal is to lynch mafia.

It seems that Radfield, Dreamflower/Meapak, and I all agree that Ace is scum. Given yesterday's vote, I don't see how "public opinion" should scare us into making the wrong decision. It is clear that a lot of people are unsure about the issue. Once Ace flips red, all doubts about me should be cleared. Tomorrows lynch must be decided by analysis. Look at the case against Ace, and the case against me. External factors such as vote list checks or "town consensus" should not matter here. Analysis is the key.

Ace's response to my accusation has once again been avoidance. Ace isn't showing his typical confidence right now, and he doesn't bother refuting my points. Ace's responses show that he's giving up the argument. He knows that the only way for him to escape this one is if he ensures that everyone else is distracted by my lynch.


No confidence?

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

You're Scum. It's night time. I have a gun. Why do I even need to respond to your post?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha good lord you're funnier than George Carlin.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 22 2011 03:50 GMT
#1415
bumatlarge for 10./10 best post of the game.

GM is colorblind.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 22 2011 17:59 GMT
#1474
Oh hey Radfield, nice to see you!

Anyway I shot Incognito last night. I said I was going to do it like 10 times in the thread. Welp, shit happens :D

*shrug*

Like Caller has said I do think we're close to LYLO though, as only 1 scum has died and it was obvious scum. I still think Radfield aka Mr. Bulletproof is our best suspect.

As for the GM list there are a few problems here.

1.) GM is still alive

Why would the mafia want to keep any information roles alive? Even bumatlarge, a claimed (or fakeclaimed) watcher has been left alive. Assuming both are town then the Mafia have some way of screwing up information roles, otherwise there is no reason to leave them alive.

2.) As stated before, the players on the GM list have been purposely trimmed down

This is actually a big deal. GM finds 2 scum on the list and Node along with Flamewheel are killed. Of course I shoot Incognito and there we have it.

3.) Barundar is dead and flipped town

No one has talked about his role flip, but the more important fact here is that almost all the top picks have been eliminated along with the Inventor. Only Caller and Radfield have survived among the top 5, with GM being "explained" already. These 2 were not hit for a reason, and I'm inclined to believe that Radfield being alive is more suspicious as his Bulletproof is now a nice excuse for not being night hit. Also note that Barundar had 5 votes on him, flipped town, and 4 of those suspects are still alive. The only one that died was KillerSOS who got lynched due to a crap train.

4.) Back to Incognito

If you think I'm scum because Incognito died scrub your brain. I've already explained that he was playing Scummy from the beginning but we're not going to rehash that. Read the thread if you want.

5.) Since it's almost, or surely LYLO either everyone should be role claiming now.

Starting with Caller of course. I expect that no one is going to claim King Maker or bus driver so we'll be dealing with a few lies here. With no solid direction on who is Scum today, I think this is our best option.

Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 22 2011 18:14 GMT
#1476
Ok Caller thats nice and all but:

when are you going to role claim?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 22 2011 18:50 GMT
#1483
Oh oh, KavCaprio syndrome.

Why are you over reacting so much. Notice I said you're suspicious and didn't even outright call you Scum. I didn't even vote for you.

How did you glean so much extra information off of 1 line of posting? Stop panicking.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 22 2011 18:56 GMT
#1485
By the way show these posts where I pushed for KillerSOS to be lynched. I suggested that people could clear both paths (GM list and "chaffe list"). There is no blood on my hands with KillerSOS - I was the one who said his lynch was an effort to save Incognito. So once again, you're wrong.

@Wiggles: It is suspicious when taken in the right context. The other top picks have died so far, and neither Caller nor Radfield have been touched right? Then explain to me why. Also I didn't check anyone last night as I shot Incognito.

@Radfield: Since you're such an expert explain how all of the Mafia kills made sense.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 22 2011 19:21 GMT
#1489
...

If the Scum don't have a Roleblocker and didn't know Radfield was BP then why wasn't he hit? Get it now?

Either they already knew he was BP or he's Scum with an alibi for not getting hit while all the other top picks except Caller did get hit.

Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 22 2011 19:36 GMT
#1500
On May 23 2011 04:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 04:21 Ace wrote:
...

If the Scum don't have a Roleblocker and didn't know Radfield was BP then why wasn't he hit? Get it now?

Either they already knew he was BP or he's Scum with an alibi for not getting hit while all the other top picks except Caller did get hit.



Uhhhh....

Scamp and FW, the top two on the list were shot night 1.

On night 2, in major part thanks to you, it was publicly known that Radfield was BP. So, why would they shoot a BP townie on Night 2 and waste half their KP just to check he's BP?

They shot the very top of the list night 1 (So not Radfield), after that they knew he was BP.

So where's the inconsistency?


And Node was killed Night 2 along with Barundar
Flamewheel got a nuke bussed on to him

What don't you understand here? There was a concentrated effort to eliminate the top of the list. Radfield wasn't shot NIGHT 1, before he was revealed to be Bullet proof. Are you misreading on purpose here?

Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 22 2011 19:47 GMT
#1511
On May 23 2011 04:42 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 04:36 Ace wrote:
On May 23 2011 04:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On May 23 2011 04:21 Ace wrote:
...

If the Scum don't have a Roleblocker and didn't know Radfield was BP then why wasn't he hit? Get it now?

Either they already knew he was BP or he's Scum with an alibi for not getting hit while all the other top picks except Caller did get hit.



Uhhhh....

Scamp and FW, the top two on the list were shot night 1.

On night 2, in major part thanks to you, it was publicly known that Radfield was BP. So, why would they shoot a BP townie on Night 2 and waste half their KP just to check he's BP?

They shot the very top of the list night 1 (So not Radfield), after that they knew he was BP.

So where's the inconsistency?


And Node was killed Night 2 along with Barundar
Flamewheel got a nuke bussed on to him

What don't you understand here? There was a concentrated effort to eliminate the top of the list. Radfield wasn't shot NIGHT 1, before he was revealed to be Bullet proof. Are you misreading on purpose here?



I'm not sure what you're arguing here, could you clarify?

Show nested quote +
Draft Order Results:
1. Flamewheel <--- Shot Night 1
2. Scamp <--- Shot Night 1
3. Caller
4. Barundar
5. Radfield


They shot the two top slots on night 1, which makes sense. Can you explain why mafia would randomly shoot at Radfield when there was a claimed Chuiu Jack, and likely inventor in the two top slots? After Night 1, Radfield was known to be bullet-proof.


Ok let's start over.

In the beginning of the game Radfield comes up with a plan. It is later revealed he doesn't follow this plan by me.

Myself and Fishball have a conversation about Radfield not following his own plan. Radfield starts complaining.

My logic is that of the 2 night kills on Day 1, Radfield was conveniently NOT targeted. Whether the Mafia finds out he is BP on Day 2, he is once again not targeted right?

My argument is that if he is Mafia he has a convenient alibi for not being targeted while everyone else in those top slots except Caller was - namely that everyone knew he was BP hence Mafia wouldn't hit him.

But "no one" knew until I allegedly revealed his role. So for a full 2 game days he was not once popped. Why wasn't the nuke redirected towards him? Flamewheel as Chuiu Jack already claimed to use his Vet powers Night 1 to save himself. Why wouldn't the mafia nuke the bulletproof townie and just kill FW Night 2?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
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