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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On May 18 2011 12:56 Eiii wrote: I'm absolutely not comfortable lynching kav today. I'm having a hard time convincing myself to even switch my vote to one of the two lynchees at the moment. Care to elaborate? | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
It should be noted that everyone voting for Barundar right now is suspicious in my eyes except for Radfield. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
Do you honestly expect me to repeat that same behavior? Also, since I won't be able to post this after my death: All newer players, please take note of the fact that Incog, Ace, and Caller all read me wrong. Vet's are not as good as anyone thinks, including themselves. The only thing you should be afraid of is their egos. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On May 18 2011 13:03 Kavdragon wrote: Just got home hope this isn't late. In response to Incog's comparison of this game to XXXVIII: I got lynched. The guy who I was sure was mafia wasn't Mafia. Neither were you. Do you honestly expect me to repeat that same behavior? Also, since I won't be able to post this after my death: All newer players, please take note of the fact that Incog, Ace, and Caller all read me wrong. Vet's are not as good as anyone thinks, including themselves. The only thing you should be afraid of is their egos. Uhh, you're not leading in votes right now. In any case, I think this meta behavioral analysis that people have been badgering Kavdragon with is not a solid foundation for a case. Kavdragon's posts have sounded very genuine (key word here) to me, even if they've contained some bad arguments at times. | ||
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Node
United States2159 Posts
At the very least, we've got a pretty good split for the vote-checker.  | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 18 2011 12:59 Incognito wrote: Actually if I was mafia, I'd have up to 6 teammates to help defend me. I probably would've never been ahead. I wouldn't need to pop up randomly and defend myself. Unless of course you want to call all my supporters mafia. I'd just take a step back and analyze the whole situation for a moment. If I am mafia, I'm the craziest most terrible mafia ever. Not exactly true. Depending on the nature of the lynch it can or can't make sense for teammates to defend you. I don't see anything about your lynch that screams "easy to defend" for possible teammates. What do you see? | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Jokes aside, for now I have pretty much ignored the latter half of this day beyond cursorily glancing over posts made. Inactives are still inactive and need to contribute more, not post more. I'll look back over the thread after the first salvo of shots have been fired into the night. tnkted, Chaoser, and deconduo need to stop being inactive; Fishball and Scamp need to stop being useless. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 18 2011 13:03 Kavdragon wrote: Just got home hope this isn't late. In response to Incog's comparison of this game to XXXVIII: I got lynched. The guy who I was sure was mafia wasn't Mafia. Neither were you. Do you honestly expect me to repeat that same behavior? Also, since I won't be able to post this after my death: All newer players, please take note of the fact that Incog, Ace, and Caller all read me wrong. Vet's are not as good as anyone thinks, including themselves. The only thing you should be afraid of is their egos. I'm not sure if you've been paying attention but you do realize I have not voted for you right? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 18 2011 13:09 flamewheel wrote: I on the other hand don't mind lynching Kavdragon. I don't agree with lynching Barundar, and I don't agree with lynching Incognito. Besides, this allows me to potentially shoot Incognito myself if it comes down to it! Jokes aside, for now I have pretty much ignored the latter half of this day beyond cursorily glancing over posts made. Inactives are still inactive and need to contribute more, not post more. I'll look back over the thread after the first salvo of shots have been fired into the night. tnkted, Chaoser, and deconduo need to stop being inactive; Fishball and Scamp need to stop being useless. So who do you want to lynch besides Kavdragon? On May 18 2011 13:06 infinitestory wrote: Uhh, you're not leading in votes right now. In any case, I think this meta behavioral analysis that people have been badgering Kavdragon with is not a solid foundation for a case. Kavdragon's posts have sounded very genuine (key word here) to me, even if they've contained some bad arguments at times. Which is one of the reasons I just ignored the case against him. I've got my own reasons for thinking he's possible Scum but it doesn't have anything to do with his past games. | ||
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On May 18 2011 13:08 Node wrote: At the very least, we've got a pretty good split for the vote-checker. If he exists. Day 1 is the worst time to draw premature conclusions. There are a lot of people here who are heavily depending on roles (especially the mafia 2 det) to carry the day. | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Doesn't really matter, remember? I have a gun as well. I'll care about lynch targets tomorrow. | ||
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
Incognito leads in lynch votes with less than 3 hours left in Day 1. Ace unvotes Incognito, switching to Radfield. Suddenly, 3 more votes on Kavdragon. I feel like this is suspicious, but it also reeks of WIFOM. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Actually yea. I'll switch back to Incognito since Radfield has 0 chance of being lynched. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
You know what? Screw this. Vet's are overrated and I'm done giving them any sort of special consideration. My case for Ace Ace has done little to help the town, and done lots to hurt it. He's suggested scummy plans, and discouraged good ones. Town agrees that the less Kp is good for the town, Ace picks a KP role . Ace thinks like mafia better than anyone, so the time that he could be most useful to the town is durring the planning phase. Instead of contributing, he deconstructively bashes Gmarshal for his plan. Gmarshal's plan was PRO TOWN and a GOOD IDEA, but poor in the details. Allowing the mafia to take power roles is, and was a bad idea. Instead of helping him refine the plan, or suggesting something different, he says this: On May 14 2011 10:05 Ace wrote: here we go again. Assigning roles before people pick. Disaster incoming. When Gmarshal takes the time to explain his reasoning, he ignores him, replying with On May 14 2011 12:07 Ace wrote: I fell asleep reading this This is an absolutely useless post for the town, and discouraging to a player who is posting opinions. Gmarshal clammed up after this, and stopped posting his ideas. What ace did was damaging to the town atmosphere. Later he posts this: On May 14 2011 12:35 Ace wrote: *nods in agreement with bum's post* I'm not doing any work though. I feel like relaxing this game. I didn't say anything at the time because I figured it was just a vet with an attitude, but since then I've decided that I'm through with letting this sort of thing by. He finally comes in and agrees with something, but he contributes NOTHING at all to it. Wtf? Then he states that he's feeling lazy, and wants to relax this game? If he didn't want to play he shouldn't have signed up. This sort of attitude is anti-town, and shouldn't be allowed. After that he attacks the next thing that happens in the town: The fos's that Incog and myself started. Ace waltzes in and dismisses the behavior with one of his "I'm going to sleep" lines, and adds nothing to the discussion. He doesn't care to explain himself. He just pops in, says "lol" then leaves. This continues for some time where he makes no real contribution. He made this post talking about how I was look at things through "mafia goggles", On May 17 2011 10:09 Ace wrote: Find 1 post - make it look like someone is scum. Look at 5 posts by said person with "they have to be scum goggles" and find things that aren't there. Then he posts things like this, where he does the exact same thing to me: On May 17 2011 13:10 Ace wrote: All you're doing is throwing more suspicion around on aeveryone within your vicinity and hoping for a lucky hit. Big difference between "generating discussion" and "lets see where this dart lands". You're playing darts, I'm playing Connect Four. --------------And now I'm going to be lynched, so let me be brief.---------------------------- Ace continues to be furstratingly negative towards most activity, and starts waving a gun around. I feel like Ace is being useless, but at this point I don't think that he's mafia. I think that he just doesn't know how to play a good townie. I don't think that a mafia ace would have argued the way that he did with me, and I think that the whole gun thing was just a bluff (or not, doesn't really matter) that he used to pressure people. Maybe that was his way of getting information, but whatever. Please look at those people who said that they were uncomfortable lynching me, then voted for me anyways. (Hint: Gmarshal) | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On May 18 2011 11:57 GMarshal wrote: I'm ignoring your analysis of Kav, because as I said its all based on meta considerations. While those are nice to supplement already solid analysis they are a bad thing to base your cases exclusively on, as peoples attitude and style can change from game to game. As I read it your analysis boils down to "he played more aggressive last game, he isn't as aggressive this game". The only thing that might sell me on that lynch is the fact that he isn't pressing any of his accusations, he fingerpoints and then doesn't push for that targets lynch, which, *independent* of meta consideration is a trait of mafia who look to be contributing without contributing. Especially considering all the time he had to "gather information", however I don't think that that alone is damning enough to push for his lynch (and before people say that that's what I did with df and killerSOS, I left killer to the vigis, and am not going to push df and thus derail what seems to be a decent selection of lynch targets). I'm not ignoring your arguments, just saying that in my mind they don't seem to be that solid, come back with posts that show pushing for mafia objectives or a non-town mindset behind them and I'll get behind the kavdragon lynch, but you are going to need something more solid than "he is playing different" to sway me. Ace plays different every game, do we lynch him for that? This turn around is BS. On May 18 2011 12:45 GMarshal wrote: Fuck it, I read callers argument against Kav, and I think its the most solid piece of analysis in this thread, no meta considerations, just behavioral analysis. And frankly it makes sense... Here's hoping that Caller isn't mafia and is just swaying my vote. If you are town, I apologize profusely Kav, nothing sucks more than being the day1 lynch, but it needs to be someone and the case against you makes sense to me. Plus we need to consolidate our votes, we are far too spread out at the moment. ##Unvote ##Vote: Kavdragon | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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