EPTNo, I'm not moving my vote until SOS shows up and actually says stuff, and only if I deem the stuff he says to be worthwhile. I'd like to have two votes so I could vote for both, but I only have one vote, if someone else would like to pressure her for me that would be great though. ^_^
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No, I'm not moving my vote until SOS shows up and actually says stuff, and only if I deem the stuff he says to be worthwhile. I'd like to have two votes so I could vote for both, but I only have one vote, if someone else would like to pressure her for me that would be great though. ^_^ | ||
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On May 17 2011 06:58 KillerSOS wrote: He likes to lash out in fear obviously. Sure thing, try actually contributing and I might let off the pressure. Hint, passive aggressive comments are not "contribution" by any stretch of the imagination. Let me help you, who are your top two scum reads and why? Top two town reads? | ||
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On May 17 2011 07:23 dreamflower wrote: I am not a great player; Sorry for praising you? I could have sworn you have at least a couple good games of scumhunting under your belt, notably mafia 8 IIRC. Either way, I'd like to see you post more. ^_^ | ||
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1.) it lets the mafia lynch whoever they feel like lynching 2.) Makes list checks, which we all agree are a strong ability, much weaker I think we should narrow our list of targets down to three, maybe four candidates. I propose the following two candidates as prime targets: Node: Not a single one of his posts is memorable, and reading over them all he has done is shoot down plans and gone after "easy" targets like Chezinu, who are better suited to policy vigilate shots rather than lynches Eiii- On May 17 2011 10:31 Eiii wrote: Oh man, decon just made himself the perfect placeholder vote candidate. Or maybe even a good lynch candidate! :D This post is so scummy its not even funny, it shows a complete disregard for the power of his vote and a "yay easy bandwagon" attitude that is at the very least anti-town, if not outright scummy On KillerSOS His response to pressure has been to continue to post nothing of use. This upsets me... I propose that he get night killed too if we have a vigi who is kind enough to shoot him, since so far he has been completely useless. Also, although I will not act on it now, as I don't want to add even more targets to the discussion, FoS on Kitaman27, who has so far contributed next to nothing, he proposed a high town KP plan and the never spoke of it again, and then pushed the really easy target of decon. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: Node | ||
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On May 18 2011 02:41 Eiii wrote: hey remember that time I posted about this yeah me neither I hate reading Yeah, I read your "oh noes, its impossible to lynch scum day 1 post." color me unconvinced, we have 96 hours of information, mafia can be found, you are just choosing not to look. Also its blatantly obvious decon is not mafia, no mafia try to get themselves lynched, by voting for him you are promoting an anti-town agenda, by both killing non-mafia *and* giving the mafia (if you aren't mafia) an easy target to vote for. On the post you claim you justified, I'm not talking about just the content, I'm talking about the mindset behind that post. With that post you are revealing that you don't care about where your vote goes, which is not a town attitude, all good townies care about who they are voting to kill, mafia however are happy to vote for *anyone* as long as its not a mafia buddy. So yes, you can say whatever you want about your thoughts on day 1 lynches, but you still showed a thought process that is mafia oriented, or at least anti-town, and for that I hold you in extreme suspicion. | ||
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I'm still not sure of who to vote for, I don't like any of the current lynch candidates, theres still some time before the deadline, so I'll think on it. | ||
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On May 18 2011 11:43 Incognito wrote: So what you're trying to say is: you're ignoring my analysis because you don't like the way I'm playing. Oh wait a second, thats what you did last game! And you turned out to be mafia. Please don't disappoint me. I've posted analyses on Kavdragon here and here. I'm ignoring your analysis of Kav, because as I said its all based on meta considerations. While those are nice to supplement already solid analysis they are a bad thing to base your cases exclusively on, as peoples attitude and style can change from game to game. As I read it your analysis boils down to "he played more aggressive last game, he isn't as aggressive this game". The only thing that might sell me on that lynch is the fact that he isn't pressing any of his accusations, he fingerpoints and then doesn't push for that targets lynch, which, *independent* of meta consideration is a trait of mafia who look to be contributing without contributing. Especially considering all the time he had to "gather information", however I don't think that that alone is damning enough to push for his lynch (and before people say that that's what I did with df and killerSOS, I left killer to the vigis, and am not going to push df and thus derail what seems to be a decent selection of lynch targets). I'm not ignoring your arguments, just saying that in my mind they don't seem to be that solid, come back with posts that show pushing for mafia objectives or a non-town mindset behind them and I'll get behind the kavdragon lynch, but you are going to need something more solid than "he is playing different" to sway me. Ace plays different every game, do we lynch him for that? | ||
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Here's hoping that Caller isn't mafia and is just swaying my vote. If you are town, I apologize profusely Kav, nothing sucks more than being the day1 lynch, but it needs to be someone and the case against you makes sense to me. Plus we need to consolidate our votes, we are far too spread out at the moment. ##Unvote ##Vote: Kavdragon | ||
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On May 18 2011 19:41 Scamp wrote: GMarshal, Node, and Flamewheel need to explain their last-second voting of KavDragon. I'm stupid, I re-read callers argument and it seemed compelling, I found myself agreeing with his points, so I changed my vote. I was wrong. Lesson learned, don't lynch kav day 1. I'm happy to be DT/Vigid or whatever, I made a seriously stupid mistake, and feel like a moron now. So yeah, if anyone with a gun blows my brains out I won't be holding it against them. *derp* | ||
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Ok, its time to bag some mafia, I'm the Mafia II Detective and I vote checked the Kav wagon. There were 2 mafia voting for Kavdragon yesterday, which means that out of 6 voters KAVDRAGON (6): , GMarshal, Caller, Incognito, Chezinu, Node, flamewheel two are scum and the rest are town or cleverly disguised mafia. I know I'm town, which means we should lynch into one of these five today: Caller, Incognito, Chezinu, Node, flamewheel. If there were any alignment checks in there then we can narrow the lynch even more. I'd ask we keep all discussion and votes focused on these five candidates, and if wiggles would be so kind we can lynch Chezinu and only have four people to worry about, some of which we can actually analyze Also if there are any medics in play, a protect would be *really* nice tonight That is all. Carry on. (also apologies for vanishing last night, computer issues + craptone of work = no time for mafia) | ||
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On May 19 2011 23:07 KillerSOS wrote: Is it not a safe bet to ride the "Lynch the Incog" train? He was already a high profile target Day 1 and really hasn't done anything to improve his image. Who cares about "safety"? I thought we were here to lynch scum, which is by definition not "safe". Your wording jumps out at me, in a negative way. Do you mean that you think incog is more likely to be mafia? Right now I'm leaning Node as one of the mafia, his lurking behavior is extremely suspicious to me. Id *really* like it if we could have wiggles lynch Chezinu as analysis isn't going to get us anywhere with the "content" of his posts, and frankly I'd rather not have to worry about him being the bomberman and accidentally saying his codeword. | ||
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On May 20 2011 02:33 tnkted wrote: I've just skimmed through the thread (i'm moving today!) so i dont have time for a big long post explaining this, but if inventions can be misused, whoever has those glasses could theoretically misuse them by starting a fire during the day to kill somebody/burn their house down. If that person were to type something like #burn incognito we could get a fourth kill today (counting wiggles and incog's just revealed nuke power). This is assuming of course that inventions could be misused like this. Either way, if rose colored glasses always return red (which seems likely given the name) they have lenses, and those lenses could focus the sun.... also, didn't incog put america on a no-pick list? wtf? Just an idea. Are you high? Inventions do what their description states nothing else, otherwise who knows what shenanigans people could up to with inventions. Unless you know something about the glasses we don't. Either way we have bigger fish to fry than that. Anyway if incog is America as he claims I can't see him being mafia, it seems like it would be the crappiest role for the scum team to pick, ever, mafia don't like powers that require for them to post in thread. Of course maybe he is just a *really* ballsy mafia. Either way I reserve judgment until we see if the nuke goes off. | ||
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As to who we should lynch today my vote stays on Node. If you look at his earlier posts, especially those about the setup after roles went out he shows hints of a mafia mindset, specifically in his emphasis on broken mafia combos, his suggestion that town take "quirky" roles to stop such mafia combos and his emphasis on avoiding a mafia denial plan. On May 15 2011 04:08 Node wrote: Another thing to keep in mind is that the mafia doesn't necessarily have to go for the hyper-agressive, maximize-night-KP-style of play. All of the protection roles in the world won't help us if they go for a setup like Kingmaker, Hero, Politician, Emperor, Vote Rigger, Pardoner. They've got the tools to completely deny us the lynch. Because of this, I'm totally behind just giving town nearly free reign on the roles they think are "cool" -- we need a good mix to make wacky strategies like this more unlikely. Look at this gem of a post, it 1.) shows he is considering different strategies as mafia 2.) suggests that the town pick "cool" roles which are usually not as strong as the more traditional roles. The town would be thinking about broken town combinations much more than about broken mafia combinations, and no sane town would suggest a strategy to the mafia team. On May 17 2011 08:47 Node wrote: I have no problem with giving people what they ask for. ##Vote deconduo Let us all chant "voting for someone who is almost certainly not mafia is not something townies do" Once more, for emphasis "voting for someone who is almost certainly not mafia is not something townies do" mafia don't request to be lynched day one, it just doesn't happen, and assuming decon was a VI, then you just tried to throw away our lynch. I think Node is scum, and the bulk of his posts are not real contributions, the only contributing post is his analysis of Foolishness, which boils down to "foolishness is lurking" which while a valid point, can be said about a bunch of other people such as KillerSOS and Eiii. So yeah, I'm voting Node and so should you, or maybe wiggles should use his lynch on him, and save us the bickering. @those inactive lurkers. KillerSOS, Eiii, others, start posting before I become angry. I may not have a gun, but there are those who do. | ||
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Does being framed affect what you appear to the Mafia 2 Detective's list checks | ||
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Ace, you said you had a gun, can you agree to leave incog alone for the day and shoot him tonight? On lurkers, I really hope we have people with plenty of guns, because I wholly approve of killing them with extreme prejudice. Wiggles, could you perhaps use your lynch on one of the inactives to motivate them to be a little bit more active? Its starting to be bothersome. Also what do people think about a Node lynch, is it a good idea? A bad idea? I agree with caller that we should probably try to resolve the list to its fullest. @Barundar: I agree that this lynch is going down way too easy, I'm convinced that incog is a mislynch. If reading experimental mafia 1 taught me anything is that any uncontested lynch is likely a mislynch. | ||
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On May 21 2011 05:11 Radfield wrote: EBWOP: Also, GMarshal, it's a bit ironic that you mention no one is coming to Incogs defense, because actually quite a few players are. Myself, Barundar, yourself, tnkted, dreamflower and maybe a couple others. Mind you, in my mind those players are mainly made up of 'lock-solid townies'. Maybe I'm just misseeing things then, but I kind of feel like its people piling on incog while a couple of us try to point out that he probably isn't mafia. I might just be outright wrong, I really need to go back and reread the thread, but I don't have time to do so at the moment. | ||
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