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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
May 15 2011 18:26 GMT
#399
I think we can easily get more pro-town inventions if we think outside the box. e.g.:
A robotic dog which can seek out gunpowder. If given to a person with a gun, it'll sneeze all night and notify everyone. If not, the person gets a onetime Bullet Bill check.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
May 15 2011 18:27 GMT
#400
On May 16 2011 03:24 Fishball wrote:
I like an item that reveals the number of moles in the game, the only unknown variable.

This might not mean anything, but I think every time moles are referenced in the OP, it's "the mole," singular.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
May 15 2011 18:42 GMT
#408
On May 16 2011 03:35 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 03:26 infinitestory wrote:
I think we can easily get more pro-town inventions if we think outside the box. e.g.:
A robotic dog which can seek out gunpowder. If given to a person with a gun, it'll sneeze all night and notify everyone. If not, the person gets a onetime Bullet Bill check.



The key is not to find pro-town inventions per se, but rather to find pro-town inventions which are unambiguous. A robotic dog could kill a player when they try to use it, a broadcast tower could send a signal to explode a bomb inside a vest that the inventor handed out, etc.

Anyways, this is all likely moot, as a townie inventor will probably get roleblocked, and a mafia inventor will just not invent, and claim they got roleblocked.

Anyways, we have plenty of time to talk about this, as we have over 72 hours before the inventor has to invent. However, we do need to discuss the pro-town role list, and the 'no pick' list. Is there anything that doesn't belong, or should belong, on those lists??


I've said before that Copy Cat is potentially pro-town. We also had a long discussion about the masonic role which deemed that Agent of Chaos and Recruiting Mason aren't very good choices for mafia, even if used together.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
May 15 2011 22:11 GMT
#424
Are you allowed to pay the Dirty Cop $150 to say whether he's mafia, and if so, must he answer truthfully?
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
May 15 2011 22:14 GMT
#426
On May 16 2011 07:13 bumatlarge wrote:
Well considering you are Ace, I'd think you tell town you were mafia before anyone got close to that, just to brag.

what if i ask on day 1
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
May 15 2011 22:20 GMT
#427
On May 16 2011 07:10 Incognito wrote:
Whoever gets Bad Santa should choose

Ace
Flamewheel
Foolishness
Dreamflower
Incognito

why
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
May 16 2011 04:45 GMT
#447
I've received my PM.

Just a random thought: Should people claim if they asked for a role and didn't get it? (Have people done this in past PYPs?)
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
May 16 2011 05:21 GMT
#454
On May 16 2011 14:20 Incognito wrote:
Flamewheel please nuke GMarshal. Thanks.

##Vote Kurumi

What the fuck?
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
May 16 2011 06:06 GMT
#460
On May 16 2011 14:45 flamewheel wrote:
Hrm.
Kurumi... what was your second number pick?

y has nukes bro?
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
May 16 2011 06:58 GMT
#466
On May 16 2011 15:43 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2011 17:40 Barundar wrote:
updated list:

1. Flamewheel
2. Scamp [7][11]
3. Caller [10][4]
4. Barundar [13][1]
5. Radfield
6. GMarshal [17][2]
7. Deconduo
8. Foolishness [1][x]
9. bumatlarge [1][18]
10. Kavdragon [2][1]
11. Chaoser [2][2]
12. Fishball [5][3]
13. KillerSOS [5][11]
14. Eiii [6][7]
15. Infinitestory [6][10]
16. Dreamflower [4][1]
17. Mr.Wiggles [4][x]
18. Original Name[4][6]
19. tnkted [4][12]
20. Chezinu
21. Ace [9][11]
22. Kurumi [9][x]
23. Incognito[9][x]
24. Node [9][1]
25. kitaman27 [9][1]


Anyone else that didn't claim numbers should soon. I'm surprised no one has made a big deal about number clashing yet like in PYP 1. With so many unique numbers at the top and a bunch of clashes from 16 on down I think focusing our investigations into the clashing sets is a good start.

We somewhat have an idea of what should be in the top slots so if any bad actions that were already discussed happen we know where to look.

It's possible that Incog + Flamewheel have noticed something about Kurumi's numbers, judging from the posts at the end of page 23.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
May 16 2011 08:07 GMT
#475
On May 16 2011 16:33 flamewheel wrote:
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On May 16 2011 15:06 infinitestory wrote:
On May 16 2011 14:45 flamewheel wrote:
Hrm.
Kurumi... what was your second number pick?

y has nukes bro?

I don't, though my patriotism runs strong. Caller, your comment about Radfield not anti-American is gold, by the way.

Interestingly enough, we could theoretically hunt out an America by having everybody type a nuke command in the thread, though it's not really worth it right now...

Wait, why is this not worth it? o_o
Is nuking yourself a valid option as America?


On May 16 2011 14:20 Incognito wrote:
Flamewheel please nuke GMarshal. Thanks.

##Vote Kurumi

1) FW said he doesn't have nukes.

2) I checked GMarshal's posts. He looks at Hero, Pardoner, and Cupid, but before alignment PMs are sent out. He asks for an exact role assignment pre-pick, which I admittedly do not like, and (perhaps coincidentally) position 6 is assigned Thief. He also makes a "threat list" which puts Chuiu Jack as pro-mafia and Vote Rigger as pro-town. I didn't look at anything deeply, but there are certainly some noteworthy flaws in logic.

3) A cursory (very cursory) inspection of Kurumi's posts revealed nothing in particular. There is a similar pattern of "not post very much, a couple medium posts and more short posts, not a lot of content in general" to KillerSOS and Node.



On May 16 2011 17:03 Scamp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 16:36 Node wrote:
On May 16 2011 16:17 Scamp wrote:
On May 16 2011 16:15 KillerSOS wrote:
I also believe that clashes in numbers won't be that useful this early in the game. I'm sure that the mafia are smart enough to grab some top slots, while at the same time randomizing the other half of their members.


Why are you so sure, hmmmm?

Also are you suggesting we should be looking at at least one person who picked a low first number?


Basically, mafia could be anywhere on the list, and it would be foolish to assume that we can find mafia based on the numbers that are picked until we've actually deduced a pattern by killing mafia. The only thing that's even remotely safe to say is that mafia numbers probably wouldn't overlap, but even then that's pure WIFOM.

Also, since Kurumi is the first person to get a vote, I'll say what I think of him. In TL Mafia XXXIX he got lynched day 1 because his posts were often confusing due to his lack of English skills and then even if you did figure out what he was trying to say it had little to no bearing on the game. That time, he was a townie.

I do think after that experience he's smart enough to not do the same thing again, but just be aware that even though Kurumi can be confusing at times, it's not necessarily an indication that he's scum. Let's try to look for the intentions behind his posts instead. I would like to hear his thoughts now that roles have been handed out.


Why did you answer a question that was asked of someone else?

He didn't. Node was actually disagreeing with KillerSOS's assumption of where mafia would pick numbers.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
May 16 2011 08:44 GMT
#478
Voting for Incognito since

I don't think we ever got an explanation for the accusation on KillerSOS (please correct me if I'm wrong).

+ random accusation on GMarshal and a vote on Kurumi with no backup either.

+ asking FW to nuke shit, although FW says he doesn't have any

= me confused and suspicious.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
May 16 2011 23:29 GMT
#567
On May 17 2011 07:15 Ace wrote:
why do you keep panhandling to Flamewheel? Let him do his own thing. How are you even so sure he picked America?

I asked this back on page 23. No response (as far as I saw). That's one of the biggest reasons my vote is on Incognito.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
May 16 2011 23:49 GMT
#574
On May 17 2011 08:47 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2011 08:44 deconduo wrote:
On May 17 2011 08:31 kitaman27 wrote:
deconduo
-Announces he will select the "fun role" rather than following any set plan
-Makes no comments on the set-up, but promises to play "pro-town" later on
-Claims to choose his numbers in order to appear at the middle/end of the draft
-Publicly informs that he is considering traitor and VI. Then mentions that traitor is "too risk". Why does he find it necessary to inform us that he is considering taking a role mafia would never pick?
-Weirdly defends Fishball above

He has my vote for now. I'll post more later.



Actually I think lynching me isn;t a bad idea. I have a feeling I'm a mole. Also I didn't get any role so I don't mind too much.


Is this where we're supposed to say "don't lynch him, he's the village idiot!"?

sounds more like unabated apathy to me

Deconduo, did you ask for an extreme anti-town role like you said you would?
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
May 17 2011 00:03 GMT
#578
On May 17 2011 07:04 Incognito wrote:
Show nested quote +
We can only check one list at a time, and while checking a small list is much more helpful, I see no reason why the voterigger needs to get involved to create one. If he messes with the votes, then we lose most of the information we would have gotten from the voting that cycle.


Also we can check more than one list at a time.

I highly doubt this is true.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
May 17 2011 00:19 GMT
#587
On May 17 2011 09:18 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2011 09:16 Kavdragon wrote:
My gut reaction is to call Decon's bluff and lynch him. I think that he's obviously implying that he's the village idiot, but I doubt that he actually is. More likely he's mafia just trying to avoid a day one lynch.

That being said, I think that the more reasonable course of action is to ignore him for now.


If I was planning to pick VI I would hardly start off by saying 'I think I'll pick VI'

I really am just a normal townie.

Let's drop the WIFOM.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
May 17 2011 02:25 GMT
#611
On May 17 2011 11:05 flamewheel wrote:
I lost my post in the power outage today, though at this point it doesn't really matter. We'll come back to numbers and the draft order after the first round of deaths have gone through.

A couple things to note right now. Unlike in TL Mafia XXXI, the Village Idiot does not end the game when lynched. The journalist power can also only be used once per cycle. So deconduo is pretty much being useless right now. Check him or shoot him at night if you're not going to lynch him now. Or lynch him--who cares?

Also, I'm so glad nukes are public. Let me prove I'm not America.

##Nuke: infinitestory

When no nuke kills my fellow staff member at the end of the day, we'll all be happy. Actually, that's not true. If somebody hypothetically had actually chosen America, they could launch the same nuke. Good luck with that, though--I can check and then shoot anybody foolish enough to do that in the following nights.

Now just let me do my thing and check, protect, and/or shoot people at night.

And I'm wondering if Ace and I noticed the same thing.

:O

If someone else tries to nuke me, they'll have to type it in anyway >_>
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
May 17 2011 02:28 GMT
#612
On May 17 2011 10:31 Eiii wrote:
Oh man, decon just made himself the perfect placeholder vote candidate. Or maybe even a good lynch candidate! :D

You need to post more gems like this.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
May 17 2011 03:04 GMT
#616
On May 17 2011 11:42 dreamflower wrote:
Also, I don't understand the case against Incognito either. Foolishness voted to lynch him because he wasn't being aggressive enough, but at least he had a reason, however shaky it seems; Incognito isn't playing the same as he did in one game when he was town. Now Ace seems to be voting for Incognito because he was being too aggressive and pointed a finger at someone. I may be missing something, but I don't see how merely being the first to accuse someone qualifies you as Mafia. Ace isn't even criticizing his idea of using rigged votes and votechecks or otherwise using heated, fervent arguments showing how Incognito's actions have been "total bullshit." He just became another finger-pointer based off one post, much like the people he was denigrating earlier.

Not just one post. Incognito's made a good number of odd posts:
1) He mentioned specifically that he didn't have enough time to get deeply involved in the game, and yet
2) He seems to be doing enough analysis to accuse KillerSOS out of nowhere, ask for a hit on GMarshal, then vote Kurumi without any logic (and change to Chaoser based on some logic)
3) He doesn't back up his accusation on KillerSOS at all. This is like, 48 hours ago or something like that.
4) He asks Flamewheel to nuke GMarshal, and FW is pretty confident that he's not America.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
May 17 2011 03:33 GMT
#618
On May 17 2011 12:29 Kavdragon wrote:
In general i think that only mafia have something to fear from people applying pressure, as townies will be judged by their reactions. Incog telling pointing fingers and telling FW to nuke is exactly the sort of thing that generates discussion and information on people.

do you realize that there is no way Incog could have known Flamewheel had America unless they were communicating outside of thread, + it looks like Incog is even wrong about it. That's not generating discussion, that's just distracting people, fishing for a claim, putting unreasonable suspicion on fw, etc.
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