EPTTL Mafia XXXIX
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On May 03 2011 20:06 Forumite wrote: I hope the delayed start doesn´t create more inactives. I did a cursory postcount check for a few players on the list, and I found a few that haven´t posted for a week. No point in this. I f5 everyday, but don't post pre-game to keep the pages to a minimum. | ||
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All you scum players looking for tips can bug them both nonstep for help at your leisure. :D not perfect | ||
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First I'll give my opinion on the Irish13 discussion even though it has dropped. I like what redtooth did do get responses out of people but as he said himself, it became a null tell when almost everyone defended Irish. The post redtooth used to invoke responses from was a post that could have been misinterpreted by people and from seeing people defend Irish, it leads me to believe Irish isn't scum. I've only played 4-5 games on TL mafia, but I'd like to ask what does RSV/RQV stand for? Secondly, my gut feelings tell me that redtooth and chaoser are not scum based on their posts. They are actually quality posts, and even if they are scum, at least what they are posting benefits town for now. It is better to heed the advices in their posts than to bash them for it (for now). I don't want another Kavdragon incident in here again where we lynch someone because they are "too pro-town". Pretty silly. Last but not least, FOS Kurumi and Airblade. Kurumi for his posting behaviour. Why are you posting like that? Maybe English isn't your first language but what about the post with numbers? Are you trying to breadcrumb something? I'm just not understanding your posts. Airblade for saying "At least if we lynch him and he flips town, we won't have to attempt to read those type of posts anymore." That is extremely anti-town. Of course you would want to lynch someone who isn't scum, because then you'd waste a day AND lynched a townie, am I right? | ||
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On May 05 2011 06:36 orgolove wrote: So we're just letting people divert our attention from the actual scum posts. Redtooth has shown clear signs of scummy behavior, both in his lies, his attempts to turn this discussion into useless pages about "experience," his lies, his inane essay posts without any real substance, his lies, his lies, and his lies. And we're just letting the suspicion go just like that? I think this is true. I don't know why he would ask questions such as what was your mafia experience. Sure it generates discussion but is any of that really relevant to scum hunting? Unless this is another one of his plans to draw out responses.. | ||
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On May 05 2011 10:45 KillerSOS wrote: Guess I fall into "doesn't stand out" Success? >_> ?? Your posts don't hold a lot of value really. I consider myself an invisible poster but I don't spam the thread with useless wifom like what you did here. What do you mean success? You like to not stand out because you are scum? KillerFOS | ||
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My vote stays on Kurumi, I'm not going to switch a vote at 10:58 pm est, especially when it doesn't do a damn thing. Off the top of my head though, my suspicions are on the guy who made an excel spreadsheet. I'll post more later. | ||
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Eternalmisfit Why I think he's scum On May 04 2011 20:54 Eternalmisfit wrote: + Show Spoiler + @ Redtooth - I am fairly inexperienced at mafia and this is my second mafia game ever. On accusation of Irish and follow-up I do not buy on the initial accusation of redtooth that Irish is scum just because he said that he was looking forward to play with 3-4 people he knew from before. That by itself is a rather weak case and does not give a scum-signal. The strong response of Irish on chaoser's vote is slightly more scummy to me. But, what seems scummy to me was chaos13's strong defense of Irish. The way I interpret is that both are mafia and are looking out for each other (or) chaos13 is just looking out for Irish just because they know each other from before but they do not know each other's alignment. At this point, the evidence based on posting is rather weak for me to vote on either of them and I won't go beyond just a FoS on them. This is his first post. In the very early stages of the game I think he has the right to just FOS them for now. Since he doesn't buy redtooth's accusation of him being scum it would be logical to only keep an eye on him only. His analysis of Kurumi is a long post just for an FOS. Kind of similar to what redtooth did on chaoser. The thing that irks me the most is that he needed this long of a post for someone like Kurumi. He even included quotes he himself thinks are not worth analyzing. What is the point in that? Seems to me someone is trying to look pro-town by extending their post length. Almost anyone can see Kurumi's posts up to this point are spam/disruptive. Funny how he makes an analysis for the easiest person to finger. At this point I'm not yet certain that he is trying as a townie or just pretending to be one. Also, I feel that his FOS post is to play it safe. He doesn't really have to take a stance and call him scum, but his long post for an FOS makes it seem like he is still contributing. On May 05 2011 06:30 Eternalmisfit wrote: + Show Spoiler + As I posted earlier, I am not too keen on lynching a lurker/inactive on the first day in a 30 man setup as a blue kill would hurt us quite a bit. However, if we have someone in the game who has not posted/voted till somewhat close to the deadline and the town cannot reach a consensus on a mafia lynch, I would recommend lynching the inactive person since he was going to be mod-killed anyways. That is my 2 cents on the issue but it would nice to hear thoughts from more experienced players about it. Why would we want to lynch an inactive that is going to be mod-killed anyways? So that we can waste a lynch? This makes no sense. Also notice the last sentence. Usually newer players when they are SCUM they feel the need to get the approval or recognition of better players. There is natural sense of guilt since he knows what he said if anti-town. On May 05 2011 06:47 Eternalmisfit wrote: + Show Spoiler + Sacrificing 1 inactive player to hit [potentially] 0 mafia is bad. Ignoring 1 inactive player to hit [potentially] 1 mafia is a pretty good deal. I think you misunderstood my intent in that post. I was more so pointing towards a scenario where the town is split in 2 or 3-way on deciding who to lynch. I was wondering whether lynching an inactive would be a reasonable in that scenario or not? In case of strong scummy behavior or a majority of town believing in someone being scum, I would be all for voting that person for lynching. When someone notices that what he said is wrong, he covers it up and decides to change his stance to "I would totally lynch the scummiest person instead of the inactive if town says so." On May 05 2011 07:00 Eternalmisfit wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2011 06:46 Cthsazsa wrote: I'll give my thoughts so far on this. I've noticed a lot of finger-pointing going around. A good example would be of KillerSOS qucikly criticizing Rising_Pheonix's post as spam, even though all he did was give his viewpoint on the current situation? Sandroba is very quick to accuse people as being scum. As a few people have already said, Kurumi's posts are strange. It seemed like that at first he was trying to attack chaoser, and then started claiming him to be a good pro-townie? AirBlade's post instantly looked like anti-town. He was suggesting that we lynch Kurumi, and then he said that even if Kurumi is a townie, it's still okay. As I said earlier, right now all we're doing is pointing fingers and forcing people into corners to make them look suspicious. I still haven't seen a good, legitimate reason for voting off someone yet. Sandroba was quite finger-happy in Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia as well where he was a DT. Now, this does not necessitate that he is town but his play-style in consistent with that game at the very least. I am quite suspicious of Kurumi as he spammed the hell out of this thread with mostly meaningless posts. I was going to give him the benefit of doubt of him being a young kid or being not comfortable in English for his mostly incoherent posting, but he made a rather coherent analysis post as his last post of the day. Since his last post suggests that he is quite capable of making reasonable posts, his other posts seem scummy to me written in order to create confusion and derail discussion. But again, I have never been in a mafia game with him and am not sure of his mafia play habits. I agree with AirBlade seeming anti-town. I am also for voting and lynching Kurumi if I think that he is scum (which seems probable to me at this point) but I would not vote/lynch him just because he posts horribly. This might be a lapse in judgment or scum trying to get a townie killed. FoS: AirBladeOrange This post reeks of contradictions. He's suspicious and thinks Kurumi is probable scum. He says he's all for voting him IF he thinks he is scum (which he does), and then immediately says he won't vote for him because of his horrible posting. What? And then suddenly BAM an FOS on AirBlade which is surprisingly....dun dun dun, THE LEAST SUSPICIOUS PERSON OF PEOPLE HE FOS'd! I have trouble understanding why he needed to do an analysis on a person that he thinks has "no visible scum signs" and the least suspicious person on his list. Perhaps to seem like he contributed yet another awesome post? Starting to see a theme here? Contributing without actually contributing. On May 05 2011 11:43 Eternalmisfit wrote: + Show Spoiler + I am going to post my final thoughts for the night on posts till now and then head to bed. I am going to vote for Kurumi for now based on his posting which seems rather scum-like to me (apart from his last post which was the only half-decent one). It is placeholder vote for now as there can be future developments in this thread and also I am still willing to give him benefit of doubt provided he explains his style/content of posts. Back to voting for Kurumi! I thought you wouldn't vote for him just on his horrible postings alone! On May 05 2011 20:54 Eternalmisfit wrote: + Show Spoiler + @redtooth Quite a lot of the accusations against Irish are close to grasping at straws. I disagree on his defense against early chaoser/redtooth accusations being scum-tells. However, there is some scummy behavior when he tried to hop on the AO bandwagon and stated Kurumi made some good posts. In light of one decent scum-tell and some rather weak/non-existent scum-tells from Irish, and lack of clear scum-tells from most other people, Irish makes a good candidate for a lynch. Does that mean that I am 100% sure that he is mafia? No This only means that he is highly probable of being mafia. I can make a similar case against Kurumi as well. In both these cases, the two accused of being scum have shown odd behavior. On top, both of them descended into lurking after accusing AirBlade. I would have expected them to be more active after starting the case against AirBlade. At this point, I would like to see them post again and defend their posts and accusations of AirBlade. My current vote on Kurumi is to pressure him to stop his nonsense posting which is derailing the discussion, and provide an explanation for his voting. At this point of time, I do not think anyone can be painted as completely pro-town which even includes the people providing detailed analysis since we have no concrete evidence to go-to and most discussion is based on interpretation and perceived intent of someone's post. Also, the more the discussion is heading along in this thread, the more I feel that lynching Irish might as well be a good idea. As a lot of people in this thread have stated, Kurumi and Irish are prime candidates for their odd behavior. And then there are a few people (e.g. red) that have defended them relatively strongly. Thus, Irish makes a good lynch candidate as he has shown scum-vibes in his posts, and his flipping either red or green will allow the town to ascertain the orientation of a lot of people (redtooth's defense and chaoser's borderline tunneling). Another huge contradiction. He has a placeholder vote on Kurumi all the while saying Irish is the better lynch. If you think Irish has scum-tells and lynching him would give so much information, why did you vote for Kurumi instead? From what you are saying Irish would be the better person to place your vote on! On May 06 2011 02:36 Eternalmisfit wrote: + Show Spoiler + People defending others ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/QrdnSl&jEcjA) People accusing/FoS/Voting others ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/QrdnS&jEcjAl) How to read this chart Every player has a number against him. Green number on the column of a player means defense or town call for player # by this player Red number on the column means accusation or mafia call for player # by this player Bold and deep color represents multiple occasions of the said event i.e. strong support/attack This chart is applicable till Takuna's first post on page 33 (not including it) The purpose behind this is to analyze potential relationships between different people which will come into play after we people flip after lynches/deaths. I will post a more detailed analysis with my thoughts based on this within 30-60 mins. DOES NOT DELIVER! On May 06 2011 04:59 Eternalmisfit wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 06 2011 04:28 orgolove wrote: Oh wow. I didn't even realize it was chaoser himself that made the spreadsheet. Ugh. Hmm.... For the record, it was me who made the spreadsheet. I was unable to link the pictures properly so chaoser later posted the images based on my links. Unfortunately, I did not save the spreadsheet after making the images from them. Also, the fact that someone did an analysis does not mean he/she is not scum. Now, if that analysis turns up correct on a flip might suggest that he/she has town/mafia-creds. But, at this point, there is no such evidence for anyone. ![[image loading]](http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/3578/sbagmisfit.jpg) The thing that makes me suspicious about the spreadsheet, is that it is entirely fluff. Don't know if I'm using the term fluff correctly but I think it means a seemingly contributive post that has no value at all. Yes, thanks for putting numbers that indicate who responded to who. But in what context? Don't we have to still go to people's profile, find their posts, read thoroughly, before we can decide whether there is any significant connections at all? At least I wouldn't just take your spreadsheet and base people's relationship on the numbers you've shown after a flip. For heaven's sake, you created a tool to help yourself organize people's relationships, and you "forgot" to save it. Maybe it was an honest mistake, or maybe you just wanted to show people you're doing something pro-town and then forget about the whole thing. Oh and thanks for the last paragraph. Exactly the reason why I think you're scum. Conclusion: Eternalmisfit seems to have great lengthy posts that contribute little of value. Most of the things he says are really echoes of what the majority of people are saying. His posting career up to now has been very wishy-washy and he makes many posts that are contradictory. I believe he is scum! | ||
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On the subject of the rules he placed down though, I think it is for the better for town even though I am not going to follow every single rule he has. Perhaps the major issue is that I've always done analysis the way I've did before, reading every single post of a player and seeing what their objective is of that post if they are mafia, hence I quote a ton of posts. Maybe I am doing it wrong, but I'll agree to cut down useless quotes in order to get the main point across. I guess players need to do something better/different each game in order to improve. I'll try my best to adhere to those rules for the better of us. | ||
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Today however, my vote is going on Beneather based on 2 quotes. On May 03 2011 06:44 Beneather wrote: Really looking forward to playing this game :D lol. Going to be extremely active (: On May 05 2011 08:19 Beneather wrote: Mafia slip :o Even if they do not participate in the discussion they still kill two of us. If they're inactive that means that they're lurking and don't want to get in to arguments to put suspicion on them so they do not get lynched. Pressuring inactives will make them active and find out if they're actually scum. The dude was seriously pumped before the game and even said he'd be extremely active. Once he got his role he became a total lurker. As pointed out by someone else, most of his posts talks about lurkers and inactives yet he does not consider himself being one! Extremely suspicious to me. Seems to me he does not know what to do after getting the scum role and just pretends to be away. On the second quote, notice how Cthsazsa raised a lot of suspicions as being scum. If we look at it this way, Beneather and Cthsazsa being on the same scum team, Beneather calling Cthsazsa on the mafia slip was like a little reminder from a person on your team. "Hey you slipped better watch what you say next time!" And then who does he decide to vote on at the end of the day? Kurumi! The easiest wagon to go on. If he thought Cthsazsa was scum, why didn't he decide to vote him? ##Vote: Beneather | ||
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Also I don't understand your point number 2. If he said he thought Cthsazsa was mafia why would he not vote him and vote for someone he thinks is town? Once Kurumi flips town wouldn't that look bad for him if he was mafia? And if you think its a stupid move for mafia, are you saying there are 0 mafia on the Kurumi wagon?? | ||
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Perhaps my logic is faulty, but my bigger scum read on him is still the activity level change. If he decides to come back with an explanation, I'll reconsider my vote. | ||
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On May 08 2011 03:56 sinani206 wrote: Um newb question, but [green]what does tunneling mean?[/green It means to keep on attacking the person without ever changing your opinion about him regardless of what he or others might say. | ||
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On May 08 2011 04:38 Forumite wrote: I can only hope. It feels like people forgot of the accusations on Irish, and I´m keeping my vote on him so people don´t forget. I don´t like the embarassed silence after the mislynch. How often does Town make a correct lynch during the first day anyway? Not that often so I've heard. | ||
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At least the modkill and lynch reduced mafia KP, which is awesome for us. I am also pretty sure chaoser is definitely DT as well based on his posts. I really don't think chaoser would have pushed 2 team mates for a lynch just to gain town cred. (It's possible, just highly unlikely) I'll post more when I get off work or when night cycle ends. | ||
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To people suspecting me, I'd like to remind you guys of chaoser's awesome scum-hunting abilities. On May 09 2011 12:42 chaoser wrote: Actually I take back what I said about ilovejonn, he seems townie enough in his posts so far, I don't remember why I felt red about him. Maybe a misplaced feeling. Even though he fake claimed DT, hitting Amber and GGQ with analysis alone is pretty damn pro. I know for sure I'm townie and that chaoser's read on me is correct. I might have been on the wrong lynches due to circumstances, but remember, being wrong doesn't mean being scum. I'll make sure to try my best to help us win, but for now I am going to bed. | ||
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On May 11 2011 02:31 Forumite wrote: Ilovejonn only ever voted for Cthsazsa or players that flipped Town. Are you for real Forumite? Last time I checked you were on Kurumi's lynch, as well as Cthsazsa's lynch. Here, I'll list people that have gotten the wrong lynch for both days that are still alive: Forumite, sinani. So, I was out the whole day, what is your excuse Forumite? It's extremely suspicious to me that you would use that against me when you yourself have done the same. Also, to accuse me of highly likely being scum/GF because I'm a veteran is ridiculous. I have been town aligned my WHOLE career on TL mafia and I am going to say that it is the same for this game. If you expect me to be godlike like chaoser, then sorry, I am trying to improve, but that does not mean it does not allow room for me to be wrong does it? Today's vote I am going with EM. I'm demoralized for being wrong so many times already and the only thing that is keeping me going is that chaoser was suspicious of EM as well as my own analysis of EM. | ||
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If there are still veterans in the mafia, my GF suspects are redtooth and orgolove. If there are only new players in the mafia team left it could be anyone really. | ||
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On May 11 2011 04:38 sandroba wrote: @ilovejonn I read your analysis on EM and I agree with most of what's being said there. However you did not vote for Amber[Light] for the same reasons you thought EM was scum. Can you please explain why? I don't understand your question. Are you saying my reasons for EM is scum applies to Amber as well? Or something? I just know I thought Amber was blue all along until I saw chaoser's DT claim, albeit too late. That's why I didn't vote for Amber. | ||
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Tell me where in that post do I say, Kurumi is not scum, but I will not change my vote. No, it does not say that, because I took my stance that Kurumi is scum and went with it. Sure now that Kurumi has flipped town it would've made sense if I switched to another person if I was scum, but I DO NOT have information like that of scum to go off of Kurumi. There has been no change in the Beneather situation? I knew he was getting modkilled and changed my vote to 2 prime suspects that day for people to have a read on me. I bet you would have said I was scum if I had my vote stay on Beneather and he gets modkilled now would you? Yes, I'm using a dead man's read to confirm myself as town. Well guess what, that dead man has been right on Amber and GGQ. And I definitely know he was right about me, so what's wrong with me trying to show people? I like how you went through my posts and then could not find where I said I would be out the whole day. On May 09 2011 02:34 ilovejonn wrote: Unvoting Beneather since he hasn't posted anything despite the pressure. Probably a modkill. Placing my vote on Cthsazsa as I still feel that I have a blue read on Amber. It is also mother's day today and this is my only chance to post right now. Have to go out now, I probably won't be back until tomorrow. Delivered. Why bring up my past history? Because I am townie this game and townie every other game. Brought it up so people can check my other game records and compare it to what I'm doing this game. | ||
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Also, conversion just voted for himself. =/ And no, I'm 20. | ||
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Like people mentioned, he gives us a flawed data sheet to follow (I know it's flawed because I'm townie but managed to accumulate the most points due to a) not switching to Amber because I was away, b) sticking with my analysis on EM which turned out to be wrong.), says that Dropbear and I are top targets based on the point system he made out of thin air, and then when we lynch EM he goes, guys I convinced you soooooo hard that you guys deserve to lose if you don't follow my spreadsheet. You didn't convince us on anything dude, you laid out information we all could have observed and placed some arbitrary points into it, then said you're disgusted with the town after a mislynch. That's some major convincing you did. And you guys are right, why waste a vote on myself. I'll use MY vote on who I think is scum. | ||
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If you want the town to go the right direction, step up your game. Even I lost motivation when I was being hammered, but I'm not going down without a fight especially since I'm a townie. The town convinced me to keep playing and not give up, and indeed it is way too early to give up. I don't see why all the vet players are getting modkilled/losing motivation. | ||
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On May 18 2011 12:27 Varpulis wrote: orgolove, we're not sheeping. We're just not making the right decisions. ilovejonn probably needs to get lynched. We've been ignoring orgolove for too long. From what I understand from this post is that if a person tunnels another person hard enough with no case to support it at all, we should in the end lynch said person for information and to please the tunneler? | ||
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On May 20 2011 06:13 Forumite wrote: Either, or? We can´t lynch two, so we want to lynch the one that give the most information. orgolove is suspicious because of his actions, votes and analysis, while jaminz because of his lurking and voteswitching, but if these are the candidates, who is the best candidate for a lynch? If we lynch jaminz then we don´t get any information on scum. If we lynch jaminz then we can´t KNOW if orgolove is scum, since the voteswitching could just have been a way to throw us off. If we lynch orgolove then jaminz looks suspicious still. If we lynch orgolove then jaminz or imp are probably scum, and ilj is cleared. Because the main incriminating action of Jaminz does not connect him to others, he´s actually a worse lynch than orgolove, whose activity and actions give us much more to work with once he flips, no matter which way he flips. I´m not clearing jaminz, not at all, but right now I´m more interested in what orgolove is up to. Also I´m a helper; Do I make sense? This. I like how he is still 100% certain I am scum, based on voting analysis alone. Have you guys seen him actually make a case on me NOT based on his data, but from my posts? No? Then I don't see why a townie would still keep tunneling a person when almost no one is listening to him already. Clearly his way to "convince" town isn't working, yet he is still trying so hard to get me lynched with minimal post effort now as well. "hey guys i dont care about this game anymore, so just lynch me and ilovejonn, because i just want to see if my data was correct!" ##Vote: orgolove | ||
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On May 16 2011 11:59 Forumite wrote: lol For what it´s worth, I say Orgolove is Scum On May 16 2011 18:26 Forumite wrote: If those are the prime suspects then my vote goes on orgolove. Besides being the scummiest target, it should clear or doom ilj, because of how long orgolove has been tunneling on him. ##Vote: orgolove On May 18 2011 11:40 Forumite wrote: We need 3 to switch, including Mlg, in order to lynch Impervious. I could help, although I´d prefer a lynch of orgolove. On May 18 2011 11:56 Forumite wrote: Redtooth die anyway. If you don´t want to lynch Imp after this stunt, then consider orgolove. On May 19 2011 15:55 Forumite wrote: I know who the chatic voteswitching of Jaminz saved. ##Vote: orgolove On May 20 2011 06:13 Forumite wrote: Either, or? We can´t lynch two, so we want to lynch the one that give the most information. orgolove is suspicious because of his actions, votes and analysis, while jaminz because of his lurking and voteswitching, but if these are the candidates, who is the best candidate for a lynch? If we lynch jaminz then we don´t get any information on scum. If we lynch jaminz then we can´t KNOW if orgolove is scum, since the voteswitching could just have been a way to throw us off. If we lynch orgolove then jaminz looks suspicious still. If we lynch orgolove then jaminz or imp are probably scum, and ilj is cleared. Because the main incriminating action of Jaminz does not connect him to others, he´s actually a worse lynch than orgolove, whose activity and actions give us much more to work with once he flips, no matter which way he flips. I´m not clearing jaminz, not at all, but right now I´m more interested in what orgolove is up to. Also I´m a helper; Do I make sense? On May 19 2011 23:11 Forumite wrote: I´ve had my eye on orgolove far longer than jaminz. | ||
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On May 23 2011 06:06 Mig wrote: Yea AO/db/ilj/elmizzit all voted without taking any relevant stances :/. I would like to hear kita's thoughts on everyone. Like I said before I am not 100% that kita is scum but with this few people in the game we should be discussing all possibilities and not take anything for granted. And I would like to hear everyone's opinion on it. Would anyone have a problem if we moved the lynch up to tonight, instead of tomorrow? It seems a lot of people are just going to wait until after orgolove is killed before actually saying anything. If that is the case we might as well get it over with instead of just sitting here for a day. Especially since everyone has already voted. What stance do you actually want me to take? I've been voting orgolove the past few days and with Forumite's death why would anyone vote for anyone else? This guy isn't even defending himself. Either he's scum who gave up or he's the worst townie I've ever seen. Is his only defense going to be "I'm telling you this dude is scum" and "I told you so"? | ||
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Sure, mafia would want to defend themselves if they are going to go down, but why wouldn't a townie do the same thing? Why isn't orgolove defending himself, he says we deserve to lose, but I say if a townie lets themselves get lynched it is even worse. We have 7 town players remaining. orgolove is going down for sure and with the play he has displayed we honestly have to hope he is scum. If he flips town, we are down to 6 townies. 1 night kill, thats 5 townies. Then if you guys lynch me the next day it is down to 4 townies + the next night kill it would be 3 townies. Based on the night kill information we have to seriously consider who we lynch next. On May 24 2011 05:53 Xedat wrote: P.S. I jsut looked at AO's voting. If orgolove is scum there is one interesting thing: On the day 5 he is the third to vote orgolove after 2 people voted for ilovejonn and 2 who voted for orgolove. If orgolove and AO are both town this would be termendously stupid. I don't know what to think of that. The days after Dropbear and AirbladeOrange just vote for each other, I somehow missed that. What do think about this vote? Is this relevant? Are you saying with the voting there, either orgolove/AO is scum? I think we really have to consider analyzing people's posts more, instead of voting patterns. Voting patterns are a way to help your case but by it self it is not something substantial to push with. We can't just say, oh the people who were on the XXX lynch has to contain 1 scum. We definitely need to read over everyone's posts again and try to see why they said what they said with a mafia mindset. If I have to put anything out there I'm willing to say Dropbear is town though. He has been consistently doing post analysis through out the whole game, despite being wrong on some occasions, but even the best of players can get analysis wrong. He just has the most town vibe to me right now. | ||
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On May 26 2011 17:15 Xedat wrote: @ilovejonn: Who are your suspects? Why didn't you do anything except for defending against orgolove? I didn't do anything but defend against him because I don't want the town to lynch a townie. I also did not like his attitude of "im telling you" and just using voting analysis. It seemed extremely anti-town as he didn't even present a proper post analysis on me but kept voting for me. Suspects I'm not sure. I've got town reads from you Xedat, and Dropbear though. Other people I'm not sure about, kitaman27 is a veteran player, but due to my time constraints I have not read his other games as town. He's been on most of the correct lynches however. The other players left I have not mentioned are the most suspicious to me. They could be lurking mafia/Godfather or they could just be bored townie. But even with my time constraints I've more posts than them like Dropbear said. Perhaps they have issues in real life like me though. elmizzt has voted me based on the semi-vouch from Forumite that AO is town. On May 26 2011 08:10 elmizzt wrote: I spent about 2 hours last night poring over both their respective post histories, and I have no idea which I would prefer to lynch. Theyre both pretty equally scummy imo, and it doesn't help that their vote patterns are nearly identical. =/ I am probably just terrible at analysis  I suppose based on forumite's semi-vouch for AO, I'd say ilj would be a better target for tonight. But what about for me? Did he really go through Forumite's posts? On May 17 2011 09:27 Forumite wrote: One of sinani206's few big posts, probably a coached post. I´m not sure how to read this one, because of WIFOM. It was posted fairly early, when there was still time to divert the lynch on someone else, to me it´s more likely that scum would discredit a townie than cast suspicions on their own at that stage. I´m fairly certain this makes Ilovejonn Town, but I can´t be sure. + Show Spoiler + On May 14 2011 13:42 sinani206 wrote: ilovejonn This is ilovejonn's list of votes: 1) kurumi 2) cthsaza 3) eternalmisfit 4) oroglove Hmm.... So far, 3 greens and a blue. Kurumi bandwagon day 1 and EternalMisfit bandwagon day 3, with no real explanations for either. He is also experienced, so he can't be forgiven for not explaining. Today, first he votes on my bandwagon, then after I defend myself and DropBear accepts the defense, he switches to himself, saying this: Why do you first roleclaim townie and then tell the town to lynch you for information? You want us to call a bluff, to believe that you are a Townie that will sacrifice himself for the town, and then leave you alive. But you aren't. You wanted us to leave you alone so that you could stay alive and the Mafia would keep their 2KP. Then, after Varpulis' post: You post this and switch back to oroglove: Because you realize that Varpulis is right, you switch to orgolove, to act more like a townie and act like you are trying to kill the scum. But you just use the same arguments against him that everyone else has. Another bandwagon. You realize that this is 3 band wagons you have joined, all without adding to the accusation? I know where my vote is going today. ##Vote: ilovejonn I noted something interesting at the end of that post (bold for emphasis). sinani206 says he was voting on orgolove to seem more town, but orgolove rarely come up in the top of most-scummy lists. I wonder if sinani206 accidentally outed a fellow scum. What does he think about that? If he voted AO on a semi-vouch I wonder what this is to him. Also, if people think I'm scum. Would sinani (a confirmed scum) ask for a coached post analysis on a team mate? He was going to get lynched, if I was mafia and people switched to me based on the analysis, sinani still would have lost a team member. But if the analysis made people switch and it was on a townie, sinani would've stayed alive for another night AND not lose any mafia members. He was already a prime suspect, the best play for him would've been to save the mafia for at least 1 more night til he gets lynched the next day. | ||
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On May 27 2011 10:57 kitaman27 wrote: Huh? We've played 5+ games together, what do you mean you haven't read my other games? Seems like you're just finding excuses to not commit to an accusation. "I´m fairly certain this makes Ilovejonn Town, but I can´t be sure." Doesn't exactly scream confidence. Just curious, why do you wait until an hour before the lynch to make a post? I know we've played games together. What I mean is that I've not gone back and read through all those posts to compare to this game. You don't expect me to remember how you play every game right? That's the point. Forumite's post doesn't scream confidence, neither does his vouch on AO, yet elmizzt decided to vote me instead. Also, I said I would be back to post after 8 pm, and it is already after 8 pm, I did not choose to make it exactly an hour before the lynch. Don't pick on this non-sense, I've been posting in game about how busy I am with night shifts and yet I can do more than some people in this game. | ||
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Good thing it's Saturday and Sunday, I don't have work and I read your post Mig. I do agree with a lot of the points in the analysis, and with these few players left, Godfather could very well be in the hands of an experienced player. kitaman's play, despite being on the right side of a few lynches (with information as scum it is really not that hard) has been very different from how I played with him in other games, this is the most important point I'd have to agree with. Also, the solidifying factor is elmizzt's recent post. He comes in and says kita is scum, votes him, and then pursues DB instead, turning the discussion into tomorrows lynch already. It seems to me elmizzt already knew kita was scum and is trying to draw attention away from himself and onto others already in preparation for the next lynch. They (kita and elmizzt) seem to be trying to give each other a last breath of town-cred, so that the town would mislynch on the next day. Right now however, we indeed have to vote a scum or we lose. It doesn't matter if elmizzt is bussing kita or not, since we have to vote a scum regardless, but I want to put that point out there. | ||
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Tried to say because you and DB seem more town than elmizzt. | ||
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Here are my posts on jonn. My main argument is that he tried to convince others he was town by false logic. He quotes a meaningless post by choaser and refers to past games to try and convince us of his current alignment. sinani's "coached" post should have nothing to do with his innocence. In addition, he pretends to give up and disappears for long periods of time when people are suspicious of him. How does sinani's coached post not have anything to do with my innocence? WIFOM? Why would the mafia want to bus the more experienced player if I was on the scum team? Can you not see how different his post was from the way he has been usually playing? That mafia kp for that day was more important than anything. If he'd made people switch and lynch a townie (me) it would've been great for them. If I was scum and thrown under the bus, EVERYONE would have pointed out it was a scum coached post to buy himself town cred. He would have still remained in suspicion, instead of becoming a confirmed townie. So what would the best play be if he had a coach to consult to? Try to convince town to lynch me, save mafia kp for an extra night, then waste another day for town to lynch sinani. What's the bad play here? Me being mafia, throw me under the bus, lose the more experienced player, remain under suspicion due to extremely different behavior. | ||
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On May 29 2011 02:10 kitaman27 wrote: Another post that screams of guilt. You point out how fast the bandwagon has grown on me and how I've been on the right side of a bunch of lynches, but you still vote for me anyway. This post is a prime example of how you know I'm town. I point out how fast the bandwagon formed because I know a mafia is bussing you, not because I'm thinking you aren't scum. I vote for you obviously because I think you are scum. | ||
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On May 29 2011 11:25 kitaman27 wrote: Soft defends irish day one. That early in the game it is clear that it was a misunderstood post. I honestly did not think he was scum. The self proclaimed invisible poster. He is proud of being able to lurk. In addition, he feels guilty for lurking and finds it necessary to explain why he is inactive. I'm not proud, I'm pissed no one has anything to say about my posts whenever I do have an opinion. Like I said on the post before me, what do you want me to do regarding when I'm available to post or not? Infers that Amber is a blue role. Selective quoting for your arguments now? I've clearly explained why I felt he was indeed blue until chaoser claimed a DT check on him when I was not around. The first real scummy post. He makes a point to point out chaoser's green read on him at a completely random time. I don't think it's a random time when there a few people are suspicious of me. Also what's wrong with me trying to prove I'm townie? Funny, pretty sure that is the same thing that is happening to me, yet you seem to have no problem with it. Also, note how he is trying to tie his alignment in past games to the current one. Take a note on how many veteran candidates there were at that time, and there are now. Me and you are the only vets left in this game, I'm town, you're scum. Also note how I'm playing pretty much the same way I've played in every other game I've been townie, no harm pointing that out to make people check right? We never called his bluff. You want to call it now? Oh wait you're certain I'm scum but not placing your vote. Weird. Do you see how defeated his appears? He knows scum is in an awful position and votes for sinani only when he knows he has to. Yes, I was defeated at that point, so why not go with the general consensus of the town? I'm not going to make myself get banned for not voting AND town wanted people to vote sinani. I would have chosen whoever they told me to place my vote on at that time. blah blah blah, scum insightful. He knows orgolove will flip town and is panicking. Not true. People are saying if a townie (orgolove) tunnels a townie (me), when orgo dies and flips townie, I'd be mafia. Makes no sense, and I'm explaining that to the town. He acknowledges he didn't get sinani with his data, yet he continues to push me based on the data. Obviously it was bad play on orgolove's part, as it was so much more convincing if he was scum, which is why I voted for him. He jumps right in on the kita bandwagon and then disappears for the rest of the cycle. He buses his scum buddy elmizzt, but who cares? He knows he has won since its LYLO. Explained this part in posts above. | ||
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chaoser = best player in this game. Funny thing is, this game would not have gone to late game if we killed chaoser day 1. Our team actually planned to use 2 kp chaoser, 1 kp someone I forgot, but we were afraid he was vet + getting a medic on him. And our team decided to cut down the player numbers instead of going for the pro-town leader day 1. Big mistake, we realized there were no medics, but by then he had figured out most of the scum team. Oh well, makes it a lot more fun I guess. | ||
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On May 30 2011 12:33 sinani206 wrote: My analysis of ILJ was actually uncoached, you can ask any of the scum team. I was coached to play noob. It turns out I'm actually pretty good at analysing. Quicktopic posts 148 - 153, sums up my reaction lol. | ||
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On May 30 2011 12:43 elmizzt wrote: Well, I thought it would be interesting to try to save vet status for endgame, when it could potentially be very impactful. not that I'm claiming that my low postcount the whole game was a result of this, but that was the plan, anyways. After the AO mislynch, when I thought could be the time to try to get mafia to hit me, it was already too late, and/or I wasn't clever enough. based on the backlash, I guess, sorry to everyone. It's okay, just don't play Veteran like that in the next game. You'd have to play it like chaoser, be ballsy, claim DT, be vocal and pro-town, lead the lynches. At no time at all we even knew you were playing/decided we should hit you. If kitaman27 had died tonight, our plan was to hit Mig. | ||
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