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kitaman27
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On May 29 2011 00:04 Mig wrote:And really you knew jaminz was blue last game from day1 last game? Lets look at jaminz posts from mafia XXXVIII on day 1. + Show Spoiler +On April 12 2011 13:32 jaminz wrote:
I realize I've been inactive for pretty much the entire game so far, and I don't really have a great excuse other than that I've been a bit busy lately. However, I'm working my way through the thread right now, and plan to be completely caught up by the end of the night.
I've only played one game of Mafia before (Haunted Mafia this past Halloween - put on by Doctor H), so I'm still fairly new to the game, but I'm doing what I can to take everything in. Thanks in advance for everyone being patient with me. On April 12 2011 13:39 jaminz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:34 chaoser wrote:On April 12 2011 13:32 jaminz wrote:
I realize I've been inactive for pretty much the entire game so far, and I don't really have a great excuse other than that I've been a bit busy lately. However, I'm working my way through the thread right now, and plan to be completely caught up by the end of the night.
I've only played one game of Mafia before (Haunted Mafia this past Halloween - put on by Doctor H), so I'm still fairly new to the game, but I'm doing what I can to take everything in. Thanks in advance for everyone being patient with me. Claims he needs to catch up. On April 12 2011 08:49 jaminz wrote:
##Vote Doctor Helevetica Voted DrH hours in advance I'll be completely honest about that one, and you can ridicule me all you want for it: I was nervous that I'd be modkilled for not voting, and wanted to make sure I had a vote in before things got too out of hand so I voted for Dr. H. I know he knows how to play the game, and my gut said he was the one to pick. I guess those 2 posts were all you needed to determine he was a lurking blue that game instead of a lurking mafia? Here is his one and only post from day 2 + Show Spoiler +On April 13 2011 11:55 jaminz wrote:
Man, this game is pretty intense. I'm having a bit of trouble keeping up, but I'm working on it. It seems like Bumatlarge, DoctorH, and GMarshal have all had a lot of analysis done on them so far, so I'll try to look at a few of the other players and post whatever analysis I can. I gotta say pretty impressive that you knew he was a lurking blue from just those posts. And you say that blues and reds lurk but so do disinterested/busy/overwhelmed townies. In fact those are probably the most common type of lurkers, especially in big games filled with new players. I don't think I am buying your story about knowing that jaminz was a lurking blue from day1. It feels more likely to me you just made that up to try and give your argument credit. Which is just another thing that makes you look scummy in my eyes.
This shows how much you are tunneling. You are unwilling to listen to reason and seem to think anything I say is scummy. I did indeed know jaminz was blue because I was the watcher. We watched the same target on night one. If fact, I knew you were blue day one as well since all three of us visited bum. That is why I subtly defend him in that game when people wanted to have him lynched.
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kitaman27
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On May 29 2011 00:48 ilovejonn wrote:
You guys realize this is lylo right? Seeing 3 votes out of 5 on kitaman27 already before the first half of the day is very suspicious to me. One of Mig, elmizzt, Dropbear, has to be mafia. I'm willing to bank on elmizzt being the second mafia but we have to leave that discussion to another day like DB said.
Good thing it's Saturday and Sunday, I don't have work and I read your post Mig. I do agree with a lot of the points in the analysis, and with these few players left, Godfather could very well be in the hands of an experienced player. kitaman's play, despite being on the right side of a few lynches (with information as scum it is really not that hard) has been very different from how I played with him in other games, this is the most important point I'd have to agree with.
Also, the solidifying factor is elmizzt's recent post. He comes in and says kita is scum, votes him, and then pursues DB instead, turning the discussion into tomorrows lynch already. It seems to me elmizzt already knew kita was scum and is trying to draw attention away from himself and onto others already in preparation for the next lynch. They (kita and elmizzt) seem to be trying to give each other a last breath of town-cred, so that the town would mislynch on the next day. Right now however, we indeed have to vote a scum or we lose. It doesn't matter if elmizzt is bussing kita or not, since we have to vote a scum regardless, but I want to put that point out there.
Nice of you to join us, scum. How come I have a feeling this is going to be the only post you make all day cycle?
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On May 29 2011 00:50 kitaman27 wrote:
This shows how much you are tunneling. You are unwilling to listen to reason and seem to think anything I say is scummy. I did indeed know jaminz was blue because I was the watcher. We watched the same target on night one. If fact, I knew you were blue day one as well since all three of us visited bum. That is why I subtly defend him in that game when people wanted to have him lynched.
Ah k yea I retract my point about that then. I thought you were implying you could tell from his posts right away he was blue.
Why do you disagree with the fact that I don't think forumite checked AO. Forumite defended AO on day 1 saying he wasn't scummy. Why exactly would forumite check someone he doesn't feel is scum, instead of people he was voting for or suspicious of? Also later on he twice randomly lists chaos as green for no reason. I see absolutely no reason he wouldn't have listed both AO and chaos if he had actually checked him.
And my point is you didn't really defend him. You brought up the check but did you really argue for it? You are arguing now 50000x harder than you have all game. If you are mafia you want AO lynched so you soft defended him to buy yourself a bit of credit but you still want him lynched so that you can use ilj as your target for the next day. Mafia does not want to just reach lylo no matter what, they want to reach lylo with people they think are lynchable. If you had put 1/10th of the effort you are using now to actually defend someone this game your arguments would be a lot more believable to me.
And you dismiss the sinani coached post as just wifom really? How about the fact that mafia kp was on the line? How about the fact that they chose the easiest and most obvious target (ilj). How about the fact it almost worked and 4 people insta voted for ilj after it. If they were just trying to buy town cred they could have had sinani make his usual shitty analysis instead of coaching him to write an actual convincing argument and risk lynching jonn. Instead of just offhandedly dismissing my points as wifom why not actually look at all the evidence surrounding it.
You keep saying I am mindlessly tunneling you but I am looking at all the points you make then researching them and building an actual case.
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On May 29 2011 00:48 ilovejonn wrote:
You guys realize this is lylo right? Seeing 3 votes out of 5 on kitaman27 already before the first half of the day is very suspicious to me. One of Mig, elmizzt, Dropbear, has to be mafia. I'm willing to bank on elmizzt being the second mafia but we have to leave that discussion to another day like DB said.
Way to go out on a limb jonn lol. Obviously if you are town and 3 people have voted already at least one of them must be mafia.
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Yeah, and since it doesn't seem very likely you or DB is town, elmizzt seems to be the last one.
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EBWODP: Yeah, and since it doesn't seem very likely you or DB are scum*, elmizzt seems to be the last one.
Tried to say because you and DB seem more town than elmizzt.
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Yea I agree but anyway no real point in us discussing it now. We should focus on today's lynch which seems to be most likely you vs kita.
I think we can pretty safely say that there is pretty much a 0% chance that both jonn and kita are the 2 last mafia members. I also think it is extremely unlikely that both db and elmizzit are mafia. If they were I am not sure they are savvy enough to attack each other after I accused kita today although there could be some small chance that they are the 2 remaining mafia.
So that leaves us with these possible mafia combinations
ILJ/elmizzit
ILJ/dropbear
kita/elmizzit
kita/dropbear
Since kita and ILJ are the pair we can be most certain of not being both mafia we should focus on lynching between those 2. That way we will have a confirmed townie in the final 3.
I know this is common sense but I figured I would post it just to try and keep us from getting side tracked.
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Also kita/jonn what do you think about elmizzit/db both being mafia? I don't believe it is the case because I still believe kita is mafia, but we have plenty of time there is no reason we shouldn't discuss every possibility.
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Since you're 100% sure kita is mafia, there's almost no chance both of them are. Unless of course you aren't 100% and really there isn't a 100% in a game like this. That's why I said don't be so reckless to vote in LYLO. To be honest I've put DB as town the whole game, so really the chance of elmizzt and DB both being scum is extremely low.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Apologies for the wall of text, but please take the time to read through this. This is the most important part of the game. Here are my day one posts regarding irish. You call me out for voting for him near the end of the day, but I was also pushing for his lynch. I read through his scum game in UG mafia and explained why this game his playstyle wasn't consistent. I also attacked him for defending Kurumi with all of his "great posts" and explained how the AO bandwagon was a convenient place to vote. Finally, I point out that he never even makes an effort to defend himself. I also became suspicious of chaos13 for his relationship with irish, but that turned out to be a dead lead.
On May 04 2011 14:19 kitaman27 wrote:
I agree Irish was acting pretty defensive. I'm not sure I get what red is pointing to, but at least it got a response out of him. Does anyone happen to have the link to coag's old game? Would be nice to be able to compare his playstyle.
On May 04 2011 14:30 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 14:26 Conversion wrote:
guys what does playatyle comparisons do?
do you like nitpick specific common occurences in someone's town/mafia play? Obviously people can change up their style game to game, but it can give us an idea how certain people respond to certain situations. Like for example, if irish was town in coag's game and laughed off or ignored an accusation, it would make me more suspicious of him in this one.
On May 04 2011 23:50 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 22:37 chaos13 wrote:
I realize I should not have come to Irish's defense so quickly. Huh? Why should you be worried about coming to people's defense? Only scum worry about getting connected to others. A town does not feel guilty about standing up for someone they feel is innocent.
On May 06 2011 04:30 kitaman27 wrote:
Irish_Punk13
This guy has been completely absent from the discussion after initially responding aggressively to pressure. His play so far has differed from his UG game as mafia, but that doesn't mean he hasn't changed up his playstyle in a more hostile environment. By ignoring the situation, he is digging his own grave.
On May 05 2011 12:19 kitaman27 wrote:I just finished skimming through Irish's game as mafia. Mainly I just read his posts, rather than the entire game, but the first thing that stood out was he clearly wasn't a noob. He seemed to have a pretty good idea of what he was doing. The main difference between that game and this one so far is his thread presence. On UG, he was one of the more active posters and played a pro-town game (enough so to draw a day one medic save). When pushing a lynch, he got pretty aggressive. As for how he responded to pressure, it probably wasn't the best game to gauge. The scum team had a flawless victory so there really wasn't much for him to worry about. He did do a decent job of blending in though, as this was posted in post-game: Show nested quote +I think the biggest shock to me was Irish being mafia, you play one hell of a stealthy game. Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 07:38 chaoser wrote:
1) His reaction to my barely there pressure on him was an overreaction to say the least, I already mentioned this in another post earlier that you can go look up. Looking back, I think his overreaction was probably overstated. He came off worried, but that alone isn't really enough to make him guilty. Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 04:22 Irish_Punk13 wrote:
Okay, for now my vote is going on AirbladeOrange for his last post. I don't like the fact that he's okay with the idea of lynching town. Kurumi is making some great posts so far, and I think he's most likely town based off of his actions so far. The fact that you think it's okay to lynch him tells me that you're probably scum, so I'm putting my vote on you. Of his posts so far, this one feels the most off. I must have missed all the great posts by Kurumi. Most of them were either spam or left me pretty confused. Not sure how he gets a town read off that. Jumping on AO seems pretty convenient, but at the same time, he was apparently "joking" about a policy lynch. I would like to hear more from him in the next 24 hours. If he doesn't handle pressure well, then it would be beneficial to try to force a slip out of him. The other person who I would like to here more from is chaos13. After his weird guilty post about defending irish, he has posted mostly questions and one-liners.
On May 06 2011 10:48 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 10:43 VarpuliS wrote:
@GGQ: I <3 your sig.
Could you link to the game w/ Serejai that you're referring to? It was the previous one XXXVIII. Not that it's going to make a difference, but I'm voting irish for never showing up to defend himself.
Next GGQ tries to attack me for lurking. This by no means clears me, but it should give me town points.
On May 08 2011 11:47 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 11:38 GGQ wrote:On May 08 2011 11:36 kitaman27 wrote:On May 08 2011 11:31 elmizzt wrote:On May 08 2011 03:15 ilovejonn wrote:I think people need to think more about their votes. Sure you guys suspect redtooth, but like he said, is he really your BEST lynch for the day? Remember our most important KP comes from our votes. If you do not entirely or at least have a very high probability of thinking he is scum, I'd suggest reconsidering your vote to someone who you think has a higher chance than redtooth being scum. Today however, my vote is going on Beneather based on 2 quotes. On May 03 2011 06:44 Beneather wrote:
Really looking forward to playing this game :D lol. Going to be extremely active (: On May 05 2011 08:19 Beneather wrote:On May 05 2011 08:13 Jackal58 wrote:On May 05 2011 07:13 Cthsazsa wrote:
Why would we vote off inactives? We should leave them be. If they are mafia, well they aren't that much of a threat to us since they're not participating. On the other hand, if they're a townie then that'll just put a crutch in us. We'll lose a townie, PLUS we'd have wasted our votes.
People insisting that we vote off inactives just seems suspicious to me. Scum aren't a threat???? I know where my vote is going. Mafia slip :o Even if they do not participate in the discussion they still kill two of us. If they're inactive that means that they're lurking and don't want to get in to arguments to put suspicion on them so they do not get lynched. Pressuring inactives will make them active and find out if they're actually scum. The dude was seriously pumped before the game and even said he'd be extremely active. Once he got his role he became a total lurker. As pointed out by someone else, most of his posts talks about lurkers and inactives yet he does not consider himself being one! Extremely suspicious to me. Seems to me he does not know what to do after getting the scum role and just pretends to be away. On the second quote, notice how Cthsazsa raised a lot of suspicions as being scum. If we look at it this way, Beneather and Cthsazsa being on the same scum team, Beneather calling Cthsazsa on the mafia slip was like a little reminder from a person on your team. "Hey you slipped better watch what you say next time!" And then who does he decide to vote on at the end of the day? Kurumi! The easiest wagon to go on. If he thought Cthsazsa was scum, why didn't he decide to vote him? ##Vote: Beneather This is the only hard evidence I've seen so far. I'm voting beneather for now unless he says something to change my mind. Is this going to be your only post of the day cycle? You're doing to good job blending in... And all you're doing is vaguely questioning people. Post something solid. Heh looks who's talking? You've got one post yourself this cycle. You mentioned you would post your thoughts tomorrow evening. We're still waiting.
I was wrong on the Amber vote, but I still agreed he could be scum. As stated before, I called for a vig shot. Do you realize how terrible of a position that puts scum in? Mafia is down a kp, they lose their strongest player and GGQ is revealed to be a fraud and gets hit by kenpachi. chaoser's fake claim turned out to remedy the situation, but I claimed for a vig hit before his claim when it looked pretty clear that Amber would live.
On May 09 2011 10:01 kitaman27 wrote:
Something no one has really mentioned is our day vig (assuming they exist). If he wants to consider shooting one of the two, we could kill two birds with one stone and lower the mafia kp.
Here are my posts on jonn. My main argument is that he tried to convince others he was town by false logic. He quotes a meaningless post by choaser and refers to past games to try and convince us of his current alignment. sinani's "coached" post should have nothing to do with his innocence. In addition, he pretends to give up and disappears for long periods of time when people are suspicious of him.
On May 11 2011 03:46 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 03:17 ilovejonn wrote:
Also, to accuse me of highly likely being scum/GF because I'm a veteran is ridiculous. I have been town aligned my WHOLE career on TL mafia and I am going to say that it is the same for this game. If you expect me to be godlike like chaoser, then sorry, I am trying to improve, but that does not mean it does not allow room for me to be wrong does it? lol wut? Your past history has no impact on your current alignment. This seems scummy to me.
On May 11 2011 12:00 kitaman27 wrote:Here are my two preferred lynch candidates for today. I apologize for the amount of quotes, but I think they are necessary to support my main points. IlovejohnShow nested quote +On May 05 2011 10:50 ilovejonn wrote:
I consider myself an invisible poster but I don't spam the thread with useless wifom like what you did here. Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 12:04 ilovejonn wrote:
Told you guys I'm an invisible poster. I've made my stance before and have voted for Kurumi. What exactly does the "invisible poster" mean? Are you proud of the fact that you haven't stood out thus far? Seems like a good scum trait to me. Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 11:59 ilovejonn wrote:
I got off work at 9 pm est. Come home and had to read 10 pages. I already explained I read slow. And by the time of this post it is already 10:56 pm est. I have to eat dinner and stuff too. Please people if you don't have anything to contribute don't post something because I never skip any single post. I read them all, even the spam. Maybe I should learn to scan but them I'm afraid I'll miss something.
My vote stays on Kurumi, I'm not going to switch a vote at 10:58 pm est, especially when it doesn't do a damn thing. It took you two hours to read through the thread. That's why you couldn't change your vote? How convenient. Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 03:47 ilovejonn wrote:
My vote still stays on Beneather based on huge activity level difference. Until he comes in and posts I have reason to believe he is lurking scum. Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 03:56 ilovejonn wrote:
I confused myself there. What my main point is, is that I think Beneather should have voted who he thought was scum, instead of last minute going on the bandwagon with NO explanation at all to seem to blend in with the majority of the people.
Perhaps my logic is faulty, but my bigger scum read on him is still the activity level change. If he decides to come back with an explanation, I'll reconsider my vote. Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 02:34 ilovejonn wrote:
Unvoting Beneather since he hasn't posted anything despite the pressure. Probably a modkill. Placing my vote on Cthsazsa as I still feel that I have a blue read on Amber. It is also mother's day today and this is my only chance to post right now. Have to go out now, I probably won't be back until tomorrow. He states multiple times how he think Beneather is a lurking scum, yet conveniently changes his mind to vote for Cthsazsa when there has been no change in the Beneather situation. Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 12:44 ilovejonn wrote:Props to chaoser for his scum-hunting abilities, I'm really amazed at his confidence for going after Amber and GGQ. I'd have to agree we either had a stupid/afk medic, or this is a no medic setup. Looking at the list of players however, we had 2 day vig modkills, 1 night vig killed by the mafia, and 1 vig that hasn't claimed. With that many KP I'm leaning towards the probability that there aren't any medics. The vigi should claim early as that would prevent mafia from fake claiming that shot later on. To people suspecting me, I'd like to remind you guys of chaoser's awesome scum-hunting abilities. On May 09 2011 12:42 chaoser wrote:
Actually I take back what I said about ilovejonn, he seems townie enough in his posts so far, I don't remember why I felt red about him. Maybe a misplaced feeling. Even though he fake claimed DT, hitting Amber and GGQ with analysis alone is pretty damn pro. I know for sure I'm townie and that chaoser's read on me is correct. I might have been on the wrong lynches due to circumstances, but remember, being wrong doesn't mean being scum. I'll make sure to try my best to help us win, but for now I am going to bed. The jewel of his scum posts. Everyone read this, please. He uses a dead man's read to try and confirm himself as town. Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 03:17 ilovejonn wrote:
Hold up everyone. You guys still think I am scum just because of a) I did not vote switch to Amber, and b) I was on the bad end of the lynches? Did I not already say I was going to be out the whole day on Mother's day? I cannot believe you guys would have missed that. Could you point this out to me? I never found it in your posts. Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 03:17 ilovejonn wrote:
Also, to accuse me of highly likely being scum/GF because I'm a veteran is ridiculous. I have been town aligned my WHOLE career on TL mafia and I am going to say that it is the same for this game. Why even bring up your past history? Again, you're trying to buy town cred using bogus reasoning. Conclusion: ScumShow nested quote +On May 12 2011 00:01 kitaman27 wrote:On May 11 2011 21:48 sandroba wrote:
Sorry for the quadruple post but I need further explanation on this.
@Kitaman27 So you are saying ilovejonn is scum. I'm sure you realize that if we catch mafia today, mafia are reduce to 1 kp. Explain to me how it is possible for EM to be scum in the scenario where ilovejonn is scum. Also your analysis on jaminz is complete bullshit. It's a common tactic for mafia to introduce more candidates for a lynch, to confuse town. Right now my prime godfather suspect is you. So I'm not allowed to write analysis on someone I think is suspicious? When would you rather have me post it, in the final 24 hours of the day when its even closer to lynch or during the night where I can get whacked and leave the town with a WIFOM arrangement? That's silly. As for ilovejonn and EM, I'm just more confidant that jonn is scum. If he does pop red, it probably would be less likely that EM is also scum due to his analysis on him during the night cycle, but its not out of the question. Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 01:07 kitaman27 wrote:On May 12 2011 00:33 sandroba wrote:
The scum team knew irish was getting mod killed. Voting for Amber[Light] on that close of a situation, and thus risking losing kp does not make sense.
Ok, so you think jonn is scum. I agree that if jonn flips scum, EM is less likely to be scum.
But why do think EM is town?
How is jonn more supicious then EM? jonn is more suspicious because he is trying to buy town cred where he hasn't earned any. He quotes chaoser's analysis to try to confirm himself and then references his alignment in past games as if they had any impact on the current game. I can't be certain EM is town, but I've got a better feeling jonn is scum. If the vote were between EM and sinani206, I would want to hear what sinani has to say with his 7 hour delayed post before I make a decision. Show nested quote +On May 14 2011 03:39 kitaman27 wrote:On May 14 2011 03:34 ilovejonn wrote:
I agree, at least killing me will provide you guys with more information. I'll do whatever town needs the most. You can't be serious can you? No town would willingly lynch himself for information. I had the following exchange with elm that everyone seems to want to ignore. I called him out for lurking and he acts as if that's a good thing. Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 11:54 elmizzt wrote:On May 08 2011 11:53 kitaman27 wrote:On May 08 2011 11:52 elmizzt wrote:On May 08 2011 11:47 kitaman27 wrote:On May 08 2011 11:38 GGQ wrote:On May 08 2011 11:36 kitaman27 wrote:On May 08 2011 11:31 elmizzt wrote:On May 08 2011 03:15 ilovejonn wrote:I think people need to think more about their votes. Sure you guys suspect redtooth, but like he said, is he really your BEST lynch for the day? Remember our most important KP comes from our votes. If you do not entirely or at least have a very high probability of thinking he is scum, I'd suggest reconsidering your vote to someone who you think has a higher chance than redtooth being scum. Today however, my vote is going on Beneather based on 2 quotes. On May 03 2011 06:44 Beneather wrote:
Really looking forward to playing this game :D lol. Going to be extremely active (: On May 05 2011 08:19 Beneather wrote:
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Mafia slip :o Even if they do not participate in the discussion they still kill two of us. If they're inactive that means that they're lurking and don't want to get in to arguments to put suspicion on them so they do not get lynched. Pressuring inactives will make them active and find out if they're actually scum. The dude was seriously pumped before the game and even said he'd be extremely active. Once he got his role he became a total lurker. As pointed out by someone else, most of his posts talks about lurkers and inactives yet he does not consider himself being one! Extremely suspicious to me. Seems to me he does not know what to do after getting the scum role and just pretends to be away. On the second quote, notice how Cthsazsa raised a lot of suspicions as being scum. If we look at it this way, Beneather and Cthsazsa being on the same scum team, Beneather calling Cthsazsa on the mafia slip was like a little reminder from a person on your team. "Hey you slipped better watch what you say next time!" And then who does he decide to vote on at the end of the day? Kurumi! The easiest wagon to go on. If he thought Cthsazsa was scum, why didn't he decide to vote him? ##Vote: Beneather This is the only hard evidence I've seen so far. I'm voting beneather for now unless he says something to change my mind. Is this going to be your only post of the day cycle? You're doing to good job blending in... And all you're doing is vaguely questioning people. Post something solid. Heh looks who's talking? You've got one post yourself this cycle. You mentioned you would post your thoughts tomorrow evening. We're still waiting. On May 08 2011 11:38 elmizzt wrote:On May 08 2011 11:36 kitaman27 wrote:On May 08 2011 11:31 elmizzt wrote:On May 08 2011 03:15 ilovejonn wrote:I think people need to think more about their votes. Sure you guys suspect redtooth, but like he said, is he really your BEST lynch for the day? Remember our most important KP comes from our votes. If you do not entirely or at least have a very high probability of thinking he is scum, I'd suggest reconsidering your vote to someone who you think has a higher chance than redtooth being scum. Today however, my vote is going on Beneather based on 2 quotes. On May 03 2011 06:44 Beneather wrote:
Really looking forward to playing this game :D lol. Going to be extremely active (: On May 05 2011 08:19 Beneather wrote:
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Mafia slip :o Even if they do not participate in the discussion they still kill two of us. If they're inactive that means that they're lurking and don't want to get in to arguments to put suspicion on them so they do not get lynched. Pressuring inactives will make them active and find out if they're actually scum. The dude was seriously pumped before the game and even said he'd be extremely active. Once he got his role he became a total lurker. As pointed out by someone else, most of his posts talks about lurkers and inactives yet he does not consider himself being one! Extremely suspicious to me. Seems to me he does not know what to do after getting the scum role and just pretends to be away. On the second quote, notice how Cthsazsa raised a lot of suspicions as being scum. If we look at it this way, Beneather and Cthsazsa being on the same scum team, Beneather calling Cthsazsa on the mafia slip was like a little reminder from a person on your team. "Hey you slipped better watch what you say next time!" And then who does he decide to vote on at the end of the day? Kurumi! The easiest wagon to go on. If he thought Cthsazsa was scum, why didn't he decide to vote him? ##Vote: Beneather This is the only hard evidence I've seen so far. I'm voting beneather for now unless he says something to change my mind. Is this going to be your only post of the day cycle? You're doing to good job blending in... Yea, I'm not a heavy poster in mafia, but I read everything. And don't you think posting less would be sticking out, and posting more blending in? No, posting less allows you to lurk with the 10 others that have only a handful of posts, including the guy you just voted against, Beneather. Posting more allows us to have a better idea of where you stand and will eventually result in scum slips if you are red. Then why did I stick out to you?  Because I'm looking for scum. Are you concerned about sticking out? Make up your mind. Am I doing a "to good job blending in" or sticking out? Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 16:04 elmizzt wrote:
about time someone paid attention to me! I was feeling unloved :o Six posts in the last 30 pages. Give this guy a gold star. Oh wait, the only analysis you've provided is "lol scum, he plays sc2 mafia". Bravo.
I was wrong on Impervious and jaminz, but since you claim to say I wasn't pushing his lynch, here is proof. I point out that he pushed hard to save sinani when a kp was on the line. I also argue with forumite that he should switch his vote over to impervious.
On May 18 2011 07:19 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm going with Impervious. He pushed for lynching EM day three by saying we would have "more to gain" by lynching him. He defends sinani without providing a reasonable explanation why. I think he is the best bet for today.
On May 18 2011 08:59 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 08:27 Varpulis wrote:
@kita I'm going to be bold and say that if impervious is scum, redtooth probably is too. Look at how hardcore impervious has been defending redtooth. If you think that impervious is scum, vote redtooth. if he flips scum, impervious is a great lynch tomorrow, and if redtooth flips town, we leave impervious alone. A statement and its converse aren't logically equivalent. What makes you want to lynch redtooth first? Is no one willing to switch over to impervious? If my vote is going to be meaningless, I'll switch over, but I think I'll wait a bit longer.
On May 17 2011 10:46 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 07:54 Impervious wrote:
With the lynch of EM, we learn about ilj, and he seems to be more detrimental to the town than sinani. So he seems like the better lynch of the two right now, even though I`d like to see both gone tbh.
Good enough of a reason? Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 09:43 Impervious wrote:
Because we accomplish more through a lynch of EM than through a lynch of sinani (I mean, from our limited knowledge), I can't see why you would want to switch right now..... Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 22:31 Impervious wrote:
As much as I'm starting to get a vibe that sinani is actually town (and that we have better choices for a lynch today), I really, really don't like how close the vote was. So I'm going to stick with it for the moment. Conclusions: -Impervious and jaminz are my two remaining scum suspects at the moment. Impervious defended sinani pretty hard without providing any decent reasons besides we would get more information lynching someone else.
You claim that I haven't pushed my targets, but it has been pretty clear that I have.
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On May 29 2011 00:48 ilovejonn wrote:
You guys realize this is lylo right? Seeing 3 votes out of 5 on kitaman27 already before the first half of the day is very suspicious to me. One of Mig, elmizzt, Dropbear, has to be mafia. I'm willing to bank on elmizzt being the second mafia but we have to leave that discussion to another day like DB said.
Good thing it's Saturday and Sunday, I don't have work and I read your post Mig. I do agree with a lot of the points in the analysis, and with these few players left, Godfather could very well be in the hands of an experienced player. kitaman's play, despite being on the right side of a few lynches (with information as scum it is really not that hard) has been very different from how I played with him in other games, this is the most important point I'd have to agree with.
Another post that screams of guilt. You point out how fast the bandwagon has grown on me and how I've been on the right side of a bunch of lynches, but you still vote for me anyway. This post is a prime example of how you know I'm town.
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On May 29 2011 01:17 Mig wrote:
Why do you disagree with the fact that I don't think forumite checked AO. Forumite defended AO on day 1 saying he wasn't scummy. Why exactly would forumite check someone he doesn't feel is scum, instead of people he was voting for or suspicious of? Also later on he twice randomly lists chaos as green for no reason. I see absolutely no reason he wouldn't have listed both AO and chaos if he had actually checked him.
Explain to me how this aligns with the scum agenda? With you and choas13 practically being confirmed town, why would I try to add another confirmed to the mix? Do you think I realized that people would shrug off the check and lynch AO anyways? Give me a break.
On May 29 2011 01:17 Mig wrote:
And my point is you didn't really defend him. You brought up the check but did you really argue for it? You are arguing now 50000x harder than you have all game. If you are mafia you want AO lynched so you soft defended him to buy yourself a bit of credit but you still want him lynched so that you can use ilj as your target for the next day. Mafia does not want to just reach lylo no matter what, they want to reach lylo with people they think are lynchable. If you had put 1/10th of the effort you are using now to actually defend someone this game your arguments would be a lot more believable to me.
What more was there to say? I thought he was checked, others thought he wasn't. It was important enough that I got out of bed to post my findings in case I got night hit. As for why I'm arguing 50000x hard now? Its because I know my alignment. I know if I get lynched then we lose.
On May 29 2011 01:17 Mig wrote:
And you dismiss the sinani coached post as just wifom really? How about the fact that mafia kp was on the line?
How about the fact that I voted to have sinani lynched on both day three and day four? You're contradicting yourself here.
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Yea I saw you read through irish's entire previous game where he was mafia and then you said it wasn't similar at all to how he played this game. I took that as more of a defense of irish than an attack. You still ended up voting for him day1 but it was late in the day when the lynch was already decided, we realistically cannot learn much from it.
Once again you don't actually address my points for why AO wasn't checked by forumite. Can you give me some logic for why you think forumite checked AO and what day you think he did it? Dts can post their opinions of people even if they haven't checked them you know.
And lol did you really think you were adding another confirmed townie? Your posts certainly didn't show it. Your first post that day you mention that there was also a chance that AO was the gf so the check could mean nothing. Your 2nd post you say that AO and ilj are both being silent and one of them should be lynched that day. I mean come on did you really believe that AO was town? If you did why did you not try in any way whatsoever, other than quoting one post by forumite, to save him???? We had 2 full days with nothing else to do and you let the town lynch someone you thought was a checked townie with no protest. I mean come on.
And wtf once again you don't address the sinani coached post points. Instead you again try and attack some smaller irrelevant point. I am looking for some logic behind these decisions kita. I don't believe mafia are just randomly doing things. They obviously put some thought into it before they coached sinani so tell me what exactly was the mafia logic behind doing it considering the points I brought up about. Does it really make more logical sense that mafia was bussing instead of really trying to save sinani?
And no I am not contradicting myself because I already explained why you probably felt you had to take the calculated risk to vote sinani on day 3. I know you said the lynch was still close so you should get points. Day 4 pretty much everyone voted sinani once again means totally nothing.
You quoted all the analysis you have done all game and claim you have pushed your targets. No you haven't. You can't even come close to arguing that you have. Everyone posts their thoughts before they vote, it is pretty much required if you don't want the entire town to endless hound you. Just posting some limited analysis is not pushing your targets. Actually debating with people and telling them why they are wrong about their lynch targets and you are right and why your lynch is a better choice is pushing your target.
And can you explain why you haven't defended a single person this entire game, other than quoting one post from forumite? Can you explain why you didn't try to actively keep any innocents from being lynched?
So basically throughout this entire game the only things I can give you any town points for are
1) calling for vig shot on day
2) GGQ calling you a lurker-but obviously this is a minor point
3) you attempt slightly to defend AO but then you ruin it by not bothering to defend him whatsoever the following day.
4) you voted sinani but on day 3, I am willing to give a small amount of credit here but I explained why people can't just assume this clears you.
So after playing for 9 days kita there is 1 clearly pro town thing you did then 3 things which are mildly pro town. From my perspective it looks like you pretty much just actively lurked this whole game without contributing anywhere close to your normal level.
I understand maybe you are getting frustrated because I seem to just dismiss anything you would view as pro town but I give logical reasoning behind all my points. So instead of attacking irrelevant details give me some logical answers to my questions.
Tell my why you think forumite checked AO. Tell me why you think it is more likely the mafia bussed ilj instead of really tried to save sinani. Tell me why you didn't really try to save AO at all. I need some logical responses to believe you here.
Also you still haven't posted a decent argument against ILJ. You just quoted your analysis from day 3. Can you give an up to date analysis for why he should be lynched over you?
And jonn you said it was good that this was saturday and sunday so I assume that meant you are going to be active. So come on you gotta give me something here. You have made no real analysis and have just taken a completely obvious and pointless stance that we need to be careful because it is lylo. So ask kita some questions, give specific examples of how kita is suspicious, defend yourself from his accusations. You gotta help out. Me and kita are the only 2 trying here.
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I mean the town already has 4 votes on kita. I could sit back and just wait for the day post to see what happens when he dies. But I am actively debating with him and trying to get the answers to questions I have because I want us to be 100% sure we make the right decision. I need the rest of the town to actually put in the same effort I have been putting in.
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On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote:
Once again you don't actually address my points for why AO wasn't checked by forumite. Can you give me some logic for why you think forumite checked AO and what day you think he did it? Dts can post their opinions of people even if they haven't checked them you know.
forumite had 6 different checks. I can't be sure what day he did it, but the only other person we can be pretty sure he checked was orgo. That still leaves 5 other opportunities and AO being a heavily discussed target would be a decent candidate. Either way, this isn't helping the current situation. We could waste our time arguing about whether or not the check was real, but that still doesn't matter. What matters is I posted evidence in which I believed helped clear a town.
On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote:
And lol did you really think you were adding another confirmed townie? Your posts certainly didn't show it. Your first post that day you mention that there was also a chance that AO was the gf so the check could mean nothing. Your 2nd post you say that AO and ilj are both being silent and one of them should be lynched that day. I mean come on did you really believe that AO was town? If you did why did you not try in any way whatsoever, other than quoting one post by forumite, to save him???? We had 2 full days with nothing else to do and you let the town lynch someone you thought was a checked townie with no protest. I mean come on.
I woke up in the middle of the night to post what I found. Yes, I thought he was town. Was I positive? No, only forumite knows who he checked. You attack me for not defending him hard enough, but did elm defend him? No. Did dropbear defend him? No. Did jonn defend him? No. Did you defend him? No. The entire town was inactive yesterday, not just me.
On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote:
And wtf once again you don't address the sinani coached post points. Instead you again try and attack some smaller irrelevant point. I am looking for some logic behind these decisions kita. I don't believe mafia are just randomly doing things. They obviously put some thought into it before they coached sinani so tell me what exactly was the mafia logic behind doing it considering the points I brought up about. Does it really make more logical sense that mafia was bussing instead of really trying to save sinani?
What is there to explain? sinani posts suspicion against jonn so people like you suddenly believe that he is cleared. I know I'm not scum, so unless either you or DropBear is also scum, then that turns out to be what happened. I can't tell you what scum's logic is because I'm not part of the scum team. That's why it is WIFOM. We don't know if he was truly suspicious of jonn or if he wanted people to believe he was suspicious of jonn.
On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote:
And can you explain why you haven't defended a single person this entire game, other than quoting one post from forumite? Can you explain why you didn't try to actively keep any innocents from being lynched?
On May 13 2011 11:58 kitaman27 wrote:
Current reads:
People I trust as town:
25. kitaman27 - Myself, though that's for you to decide :p
11. Kenpachi - vig, confirmed town
1. sandroba - 95% confirmed town for pushing Amber day two
26. Cthsazsa - 95% confirmed town for the tight day two lynch against Amber
Likely town
6. AirbladeOrange - irish voted for him day one so leaning town
13. Mig - Hasn't done anything this game that jumps out as a scum tell
16. Forumite - Only thing against him is the Amber lynch, otherwise looks pretty clean
Also, scum love to defend townies since they know others alignments. Rather than town hunt, I've scum hunted, I've voted for irish, Amber (post check, but there was the vig call), sinini (twice), and jonn. Why are you pushing me so hard, yet completely ignoring the alternatives? How many people have jonn or elm tried to get lynched or defended?
On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote:
So basically throughout this entire game the only things I can give you any town points for are
1) calling for vig shot on day
2) GGQ calling you a lurker-but obviously this is a minor point
3) you attempt slightly to defend AO but then you ruin it by not bothering to defend him whatsoever the following day.
4) you voted sinani but on day 3, I am willing to give a small amount of credit here but I explained why people can't just assume this clears you.
So after playing for 9 days kita there is 1 clearly pro town thing you did then 3 things which are mildly pro town. From my perspective it looks like you pretty much just actively lurked this whole game without contributing anywhere close to your normal level.
How about town points for this? chaos13 clearly thought I was town. He then proceeds to get night hit.
On May 22 2011 22:35 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 16:18 Mig wrote:
ILJ and AO both voted recently. What are your guy's thoughts on me/kita?
Who do you think is suspicious / want lynched after orgolove?
Chaos what are your thoughts on me and kita? kitaman27 - I am quite sure that he is town at this point. It is rather strange that a veteran player would still be alive at this point, but if I'm not mistaken, ilovejonn and one other (AO?) are relatively experienced as well. I had a strange feeling about him earlier, and went back to make a case against him as being scum, and I was nowhere near convinced by my own argument. His posting has been consistently pro-town.
On May 23 2011 03:45 chaos13 wrote:
Why are DropBear and kita your next suspects after orgolove?
On May 23 2011 06:29 chaos13 wrote:
I say we leave it for the usual length of time. The more time we have to discuss, the more likely we'll actually catch scum. I don't think kita is scum. Either that, or he is doing a really good job at hiding it.
There was also redtooth's "bait" that he laid for me. I did not respond how a scum would. I was scum hunting, but not trying to push him with malicious intent.
On May 08 2011 00:49 redtooth wrote:Kita is heavily leaning town (almost obvtown level now) because of his proactive behavior and because of this. The reason why I baited him was to see if he would jump on it. Like my methods or not, I'm going to be hunting scum fiercely so it'd be in their best interest to get rid of me ASAP. My admittance of having a smurf is perfect ammo to start a baseless lynch-all-liars bandwagon. Instead he just took it into account and dropped the subject. Kita, you get the redtooth seal-of-approval.
On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote:
I understand maybe you are getting frustrated because I seem to just dismiss anything you would view as pro town but I give logical reasoning behind all my points. So instead of attacking irrelevant details give me some logical answers to my questions.
What is frustrating me is that the entire town is voting for me and mafia is going to win without even having to argue on the final day. You're holding me to higher standards. I'm no Foolishness or Radfield. I don't have a reputation of being sniped day one. Mafia is getting away with trying to get my lynched for the sole fact that I've played more games than others.
On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote:
Tell my why you think forumite checked AO. Tell me why you think it is more likely the mafia bussed ilj instead of really tried to save sinani. Tell me why you didn't really try to save AO at all. I need some logical responses to believe you here.
I think forumite checked AO because he posted in the thread why AO has been pro-town. The fact is, I didn't see AO as being a pro-town hero. I felt he had extra information others did not. I did try to save AO. I voted for jonn. The vote was 2v3. A single person could have flipped it.
I think it is more likely sinani bussed jonn since the alternative is even more unlikely. I know I'm not scum, so that means 2 of you 4 are scum. I have a town read on you so that means unless elm and dropbear are scum (likely elm, not as confident about dropbear), then sinani did indeed bus him.
On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote:
Also you still haven't posted a decent argument against ILJ. You just quoted your analysis from day 3. Can you give an up to date analysis for why he should be lynched over you?
I still plan to yes, but spending all this time to defend myself hasn't even given me time to make an argument against jonn and elm. It will come, but as today was already a busy day to begin with, I can't guarantee it will come until tonight.
On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote:
And jonn you said it was good that this was saturday and sunday so I assume that meant you are going to be active. So come on you gotta give me something here. You have made no real analysis and have just taken a completely obvious and pointless stance that we need to be careful because it is lylo. So ask kita some questions, give specific examples of how kita is suspicious, defend yourself from his accusations. You gotta help out. Me and kita are the only 2 trying here.
Exactly. Scum must be thrilled that the main event of LYLO so far has been two town arguing with each other. Don't you find it suspicious that everyone else has been completely absent?
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Well the reason nobody else defended AO was because me/db/xedat/ilj didn't think he was actually checked and well elmizzit is probably mafia. I went through all of forumite's posts (he only had 5 not 6 checks) and I am 90% he checked beneather/irish day1 day 2 sinani day 3 chaos day 4 orgolove day 5 not sure. So in my eyes there was really only one spot for him to check AO and really no reason for him to check AO on day 5. But the main reason I attack you for not defending him is you are trying to gain some town cred for bringing it up. Saying if you were mafia you wouldn't have tried to get another confirmed townie. Yet if you really believed AO was town I think you would have put some effort into actually saving him.
Forumite only posted that AO was pro town early on, which was the only time he was really active. I already mentioned this since forumite defended him on day 1 he defended him for the same reason later on.
Hm your answer to my questions about why they would bus jonn instead of actually try and divert the lynch are meh. This is an important point for me, because it is a big reason I think ilj is prob town. With all the factors considered during that day I really feel like it was more likely for mafia to try and actually save sinani and just not bus one of their own. And if they did decide to bus I am not sure why they would have done it the way they did. But you have answered the question so I won't ask it again.
That's fine we still have over a day left. As long as you get up the analysis with enough time for us to debate it should be fine.
Well I am definitely uneasy about none of the other town helping. But we have a day left so hopefully the others can step it up a bit before the final decision is made.
But something we should consider is I think it is pretty unlikely that elmizzit is mafia while you are town. Elmizzit I feel panicked and threw you under the bus to try and save himself after he decided I had you pegged with my analysis. If he/ilj were actually the remaining mafia it seems more likely to me that elmizzit would just continue his lurking ways and not really post much in the hopes that we lynch you and the game is over. He seems to only post really long posts when he feels threatened so either he felt threatened because ilj/db are the last 2 mafia or he thought you were screwed for sure and he was trying to save himself.
Obviously I can't know this for sure but we do know for sure that elmizzit likes to lurk and seem confused when we are lynching townies and he had no problem insta jumping on the attack of mafia sinani. I don't think he has the skill on his own to attack db just to confuse town if him/ilj were both mafia, his natural instinct would have been to continue his lurking ways. I would like to hear your thoughts on this and if you think I am wrong tell me why.
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Oh also I will give you town points for chaos saying you are town if I can take away town points for the fact that in AO and jaminz' last posts they both said you were their main suspect. And the only person who did a pbp analysis of you (impervious) you helped to get lynched.
But yea jonn you have to actually post some content. You have been mostly silent this game now is a time you need to step up and try to put as much information out there as you can. Because the real decision today is between you and kita. And so far kita has posted like 50 times and you have posted only a couple.
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On May 04 2011 12:59 ilovejonn wrote:
Apparently redtooth thinks Irish slipped cause he thought he knows 3-4 ppl playing in this game as ppl on his scum team. Just a misunderstood post imo.
Soft defends irish day one.
On May 05 2011 12:04 ilovejonn wrote:
Told you guys I'm an invisible poster. I've made my stance before and have voted for Kurumi. I also explained why I don't think the other candidates are a better choice than Kurumi. Only reason people may think I'm inactive is because there are posts and pages flying through and my posts are probably not long enough. I would agree that some vets around are posting less than usual though. However I'm pretty lenient since it's only Day1. On that note though, I have work 11 - 9 est tmr and will only be posting after 10 pm.
The self proclaimed invisible poster. He is proud of being able to lurk. In addition, he feels guilty for lurking and finds it necessary to explain why he is inactive.
On May 08 2011 04:35 ilovejonn wrote:
I am not familiar with Amber's play. But it seems to me he does seem to lurk a lot. However, based on his activity levels and the limited posts he has made, it seems to me he is definitely hiding something. But from the posts I've read, the posts are not anti-town, more like a natural defense to accusations brought against him. If you know what I mean I would not want to say more.
On May 09 2011 02:34 ilovejonn wrote:
Unvoting Beneather since he hasn't posted anything despite the pressure. Probably a modkill. Placing my vote on Cthsazsa as I still feel that I have a blue read on Amber. It is also mother's day today and this is my only chance to post right now. Have to go out now, I probably won't be back until tomorrow.
Infers that Amber is a blue role.
On May 10 2011 12:44 ilovejonn wrote:Props to chaoser for his scum-hunting abilities, I'm really amazed at his confidence for going after Amber and GGQ. I'd have to agree we either had a stupid/afk medic, or this is a no medic setup. Looking at the list of players however, we had 2 day vig modkills, 1 night vig killed by the mafia, and 1 vig that hasn't claimed. With that many KP I'm leaning towards the probability that there aren't any medics. The vigi should claim early as that would prevent mafia from fake claiming that shot later on. To people suspecting me, I'd like to remind you guys of chaoser's awesome scum-hunting abilities. Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 12:42 chaoser wrote:
Actually I take back what I said about ilovejonn, he seems townie enough in his posts so far, I don't remember why I felt red about him. Maybe a misplaced feeling. Even though he fake claimed DT, hitting Amber and GGQ with analysis alone is pretty damn pro. I know for sure I'm townie and that chaoser's read on me is correct. I might have been on the wrong lynches due to circumstances, but remember, being wrong doesn't mean being scum. I'll make sure to try my best to help us win, but for now I am going to bed.
The first real scummy post. He makes a point to point out chaoser's green read on him at a completely random time.
On May 11 2011 03:17 ilovejonn wrote:
Also, to accuse me of highly likely being scum/GF because I'm a veteran is ridiculous. I have been town aligned my WHOLE career on TL mafia and I am going to say that it is the same for this game. If you expect me to be godlike like chaoser, then sorry, I am trying to improve, but that does not mean it does not allow room for me to be wrong does it?
Today's vote I am going with EM. I'm demoralized for being wrong so many times already and the only thing that is keeping me going is that chaoser was suspicious of EM as well as my own analysis of EM.
Funny, pretty sure that is the same thing that is happening to me, yet you seem to have no problem with it. Also, note how he is trying to tie his alignment in past games to the current one.
On May 12 2011 11:01 ilovejonn wrote:
Caught up. I'll say this, if EM doesn't flip red, go ahead and lynch me next day. I'll be ashamed to stay alive being wrong the whole game.
Also, conversion just voted for himself. =/
And no, I'm 20.
We never called his bluff.
On May 14 2011 02:27 ilovejonn wrote:
Here guys, use my vote. Even though I'm done I'm not gonna get modkilled.
##Vote: sinani206
Do you see how defeated his appears? He knows scum is in an awful position and votes for sinani only when he knows he has to.
On May 14 2011 03:34 ilovejonn wrote:
I agree, at least killing me will provide you guys with more information. I'll do whatever town needs the most.
On May 14 2011 04:06 ilovejonn wrote:
I'm townie. Why not lynch for information? We have mislynches at disposal. And what defense do you guys possibly want from me. I've been on all the wrong lynches and have no credibility in this game any more, flipping will probably provide more than what I can say.
blah blah blah, scum
On May 24 2011 06:05 ilovejonn wrote:
I don't understand. How does orgolove flipping town constitute me being mafia? If you guys lynch me the next day, provided orgolove flips town, you would get ANOTHER mislynch. I've already explained why his spreadsheet is the worst way to find scum. It is all based on voting analysis. I've literally explained my reasons for each of my votes. We don't know the scum agenda, for all you know a member of the scum team could have bus'd his team mates with every vote and end up low on orgolove's spreadsheet. Look at sinani, he was low and flipped red. It just doesn't make sense putting those arbitrary points into a system when you can't account for what the mafia wants people to thiink.
He knows orgolove will flip town and is panicking.
On May 29 2011 00:48 ilovejonn wrote:
You guys realize this is lylo right? Seeing 3 votes out of 5 on kitaman27 already before the first half of the day is very suspicious to me. One of Mig, elmizzt, Dropbear, has to be mafia. I'm willing to bank on elmizzt being the second mafia but we have to leave that discussion to another day like DB said.
Good thing it's Saturday and Sunday, I don't have work and I read your post Mig. I do agree with a lot of the points in the analysis, and with these few players left, Godfather could very well be in the hands of an experienced player. kitaman's play, despite being on the right side of a few lynches (with information as scum it is really not that hard) has been very different from how I played with him in other games, this is the most important point I'd have to agree with.
Also, the solidifying factor is elmizzt's recent post. He comes in and says kita is scum, votes him, and then pursues DB instead, turning the discussion into tomorrows lynch already. It seems to me elmizzt already knew kita was scum and is trying to draw attention away from himself and onto others already in preparation for the next lynch. They (kita and elmizzt) seem to be trying to give each other a last breath of town-cred, so that the town would mislynch on the next day. Right now however, we indeed have to vote a scum or we lose. It doesn't matter if elmizzt is bussing kita or not, since we have to vote a scum regardless, but I want to put that point out there.
He jumps right in on the kita bandwagon and then disappears for the rest of the cycle. He buses his scum buddy elmizzt, but who cares? He knows he has won since its LYLO.
Now lets take a look at his voting history:
Day one: Kurumi wrong
Day two: Cthsazsa wrong
Day three: EternalMisfit wrong
Day four: sinani206 Correct
Day five: orgolove wrong
Day six: orgolove wrong
Day seven: AirbladeOrange wrong
Day eight: kitaman27 wrong
Could it get any more obvious? You give me a hard time for voting for voting jaminz and impervious, yet he has been wrong seven times! He isn't exactly a newbie either. In fact, he has probably one of the top five experienced players in the game.
Conclusion: ilovejonn is scum. He is playing a scummy lurking game and has not provided a single pro-town post to the thread.
Analysis on his buddy elm is coming up.
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this post is a blatant attempt at stopping kita from having the last post in every thread!
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On May 29 2011 11:49 GMarshal wrote:
this post is a blatant attempt at stopping kita from having the last post in every thread!
Your blue text can't fool me. Scum.
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