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On April 28 2011 05:25 Node wrote: I plan to start as soon as signups are filled. At the current rate that's happening, the game probably won't begin until at least this weekend -- I imagine that we won't fill up until some of the other games taking place have finished. Sounds good. While starting soon is preferable, not posting for 30h during the first day is a good way to get lynched. Even if I post here in advance to warn of the inactivity, someone will see the inactivity and giving an advance warning about being inactive as scumtells. | ||
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Obviously that´s a bad idea in a game with lots of mafia KP and only single-shot vigilantes, but i wonder if the option is there. | ||
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Just a heads up, I will miss about 4 hours in the beginning of the first day. It´s morning here, and the start will be in the middle of the night. | ||
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The game has started. The first phase of the game is Night 4. Since we have a recruiter in the game, everybody is a potential Mafia, so go ahead and make your votes on who to kill. The next phase is day 2, and we´re voting for a Lynch. Remember that anyone dying during Day 2 will loose their votes during later stages. The result of the lynch may change due to votes lost from players killed during day 1 and Night 1, which will be played in a few days." | ||
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On May 03 2011 03:17 Amber[LighT] wrote: How on earth do you manage to get dressed every morning? I guess you didn´t read the full spoiler. Osama Bin Laden was killed by american forces, and New York will be strange these next few days, | ||
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On May 03 2011 03:53 KillerSOS wrote: I guess you don't understand jokes. I watched Obama announce it to the world. I understand that it was meant to be a joke, but I´m still not laughing. | ||
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On May 03 2011 06:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: My GF can do backflips too! and yeah, I am from the suburbs forumite, them killing Osama doesn't really effect me on any emotional level. I am actually at school right now, nothing is really going on. Odd, I expected more, even in the suburbs. 9/11 shook my school a lot when it happened, and I´m european. | ||
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I have a general question to people. This game has 30 players, meaning that we have 29 possible scum to investigate. Personally that´s a bit hefty for the classical post-by-post check of everyone. Many other players will quickly jump on any scummy posts and bring them to attention, but that doesn´t help finding the scum that are good at looking like scum. Does anyone have a good idea on how to effectively scum-hunt in a big game like this? Would checking up on a random player be a good tactic? | ||
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On May 04 2011 17:19 orgolove wrote: Lies. Haunted Mafia: Insane Another (as of yet unknown) game: Lynch all liars. Orgolove? What is the point of these accusations? They are extremely old posts, and none of them seem to be lies, at least not the the ones from April 4 and March 15 | ||
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On May 04 2011 15:09 AirbladeOrange wrote: I think this long of a post is more suspicious than anything irish punk dude said. He does have a few points, people need to make constructive posts, even more so with a 30-player game. Also even this early it´s a good move to call out people on their scum-tells. | ||
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I played in a recent newbie game, so this is 2nd on TL. I´m relatively new to this forum. | ||
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Back in a few hours. | ||
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On May 04 2011 23:31 DropBear wrote: I am unfamiliar with the following names and would like to know if people think they are smurfs: eternalmisfit varpuliS sinani206 elmizzt Lyter Takuna Cthsasa Node, this may seem like a question with an obvious answer, but can a Day Vigilante be roleblocked? It's pretty good for us if not. Chaoser is quite active so far and his history has been that he is much more active as town than mafia. I don't think he is worthy of suspicion as yet. Waiting on a reply from AO. Kita has still not replied to chaoser. eternalmisfit varpuliS elmizzt The ones above are new, and played in the Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia I, along with me. | ||
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Kurumi Irish_Punk13 AirbladeOrange I have one problem with this, that they are voting on eachother, meaning that they are probably not all Scum. Below are the posts from these players that I found in the voting thread, with the newest post highest. Kurumi: #Vote Irish_Punk13 Irish_Punk13: ##Vote AirbladeOrange Kurumi: #Unvote Irish_Punk13 #Vote AirbladeOrange | ||
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On May 05 2011 08:22 Forumite wrote: Of these three, I think we have the least to go on with AirbladeOrange, because he´s only got 4 posts so far. He looks more like a slow poster that made a few scumtells. EBWOP Of the 3 suspicious ones, Kurumi, Irish_Punk13 and AirbladeOrange, AirbladeOrange has the least posts, and therefore the least to base a lynch on. On May 05 2011 04:09 AirbladeOrange wrote: I don't like this post. I never like it when a townie tries to end discussion. The town should always encourage discussion. However, Chaoser does not seem to support Kurumi at all. It seems like Kurumi could be trying to defend his mafia buddy Chaoser but Chaoser is being very serious about not defending Kurumi at all. Maybe Kurumi just made a bad mistake that Chaoser is trying to distance himself from it in order to not be involved if Kurumi turns out to be mafia. Chaoser even did a little investigation on Kurumi's other TL posts which is very interesting. Chaoser is a good player which nobody should forget. I believe he has the potential to be a great townie or a great mafia player. Eternalmisfit did a good analysis of Kurumi as well. I think the worst part about him is his posting method. What's up with that? At least if we lynch him and he flips town, we won't have to attempt to read those type of posts anymore. I agree with your overall assessment of Kurumi and I see him at least as of right now being most likely to be mafia. This is my third mafia game. I played haunted mafia a while ago and I had no idea what was going on the entire game. Then I just played Brown Bear's mafia game in which I was a mafia goon. DropBear, Coagulation, and GMarshal were all on my team. This is his longest post, one of FOUR posts. Apart from wanting to lynch Kurumi to keep him from spamming, i don´t see many weird tells. | ||
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On May 05 2011 08:24 Beneather wrote: Could you analyze these posts. So that we can see the scumtells you are telling us. We can't just bandwagon a guy just you say he has 4 posts and had a few scumtells. We need a little more than that. I looked at his longest post. The other 3 are mostly oneliners. One thinks Chaoser is suspicious for doing an analysis early, the others looks like they are asking Irish questions, or asking questions about Irish. | ||
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On May 04 2011 15:54 KillerSOS wrote: I have to agree. First to analyze, last to be analyzed. On May 05 2011 04:25 KillerSOS wrote: I'm going to have to agree with this post, while I am not decided on a vote at all, this is a good line to follow. On May 05 2011 06:02 KillerSOS wrote: I like how you make a spam post about spam posts. You would like to vote for yourself then? Do these posts look scummy to you? They look like attempts to follow along with anothers accusations instead of adding own analysis. On the other hand it might just be low on analysis because he´s a new player. | ||
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On May 05 2011 08:33 chaoser wrote: You know post count and length have nothing to do with actual scumminess right? Foolishness when he plays rarely posts but he makes his posts count when he does. You said AO posted four times only. At least he's taking stances in his posts. Kurumi hasn't taken a real stance at all. He said he was suspicious of Punk and then voted WITH Punk as soon as Punk started the AO wagon. I'm inclined to look at behavior, not post count or post length. Go read previous games please. You'll see that focusing on these issues do nothing to further the town agenda. I don't know if it's because you are a new player or what but I've got my eye on you. Does this mean you think AO is scummy and I´m wrong in my analysis as I missed that, or that you only object to the way I look at posts? I don´t focus on short posts, but I still read them. | ||
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On May 05 2011 08:53 chaoser wrote: What? I don't think AO is scummy, where do I say that in my post? I said your analysis is FLAWED. You're trying to spin a sweater out of a tiny piece of yarn. Out of the three, AO, Kurumi, and Irish_Punk, the latter two have acted way more scummy in both singular posts and behaviorally. Irish says he'll contribute but he always say "after I deal with this other game". He posts a weak argument against as heat starts to appear on Kumuri and immediately Kurumi votes with Irish even though he had previously said he thought Irish was mafia. Kurumi also tried to stop actual discussion over the topic of me, trying to buddy up to me. How is AO's posts WORSE than all that put together? Wait a minute, I thought I was defending AO, where do I try to make him out to be more scummy than the others? | ||
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On May 05 2011 08:59 chaoser wrote: Ohhhh, my bad dude, I thought you said he had the MOST to go on. 4 hours of sleep = eyes blurred lol No problem, with 30 people, confusing them is easy. I will quote properly in my EBWOPs in the future, might help prevent some confusion. | ||
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On May 05 2011 17:29 Lyter wrote: I'm not really buying all these random accusations flying around on day 1, maybe its just me, but I'd much rather see a night through so we actually have something to work with, at this point it is just pure guesswork imo. It might be guesswork but we still get information out of it, information that will be important once the first lynch flips. Also we don´t have a "no lynch" option, someone HAS to die during day 1. | ||
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On May 05 2011 16:54 aidnai wrote: offtopic: -Takuna still hasn't posted. There is still most of a day left, so we're actually doing pretty damn good on activity. Gratz everyone. Is Takuna the only one who hasn´t posted yet since the first day-post, or just one of them? | ||
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On May 05 2011 21:55 Kurumi wrote: It flipped so wrong,but so good after all. My mistakes and weird play created a bandwagon which is such an easy way for scum to push lynch. That's ok. About my hyperactive posting: I was really pumped out for my first Mafia game on TL,don't get me wrong but I wanted to flip out as best as I could,horribly failed though. The biggest concern now is that I generated some kind of defence for Irish_Punk13 which was not my intention,also I got connected with him. Even if You lynch Irish and he flips out Mafia I am DEAD. If You lynch me,I am DEAD. Who else can You lynch? Well,entire society is now focused on me,Irish,AO. It is very easy to make another same analysis post about how my or those two posting was,just take a note that does not certainly mean someone wants to help You,but just to show that Mafia cares to lynch someone who isn't them. My derail wasted a lot of Your time and I am sorry for that,I might meant it,but I did not think that it would turn out to be discussion number 1. Bandwagon is ready Scum,buy Your tickets,I am already cursing at You. Kurumi, while you are online and not yet lynched, would you please try your analysis of the game and who you think are scum or anti-town? I want to know. Even in the face of a bandwagon you can still help Town. Chances are that you drop a gem that someone will pick up on, allowing us to track down scum after you are lynched. | ||
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On May 05 2011 21:47 redtooth wrote: Kurumi, Irish, and AO are all looking extremely noobtown to me. Every argument used against them could be used to argue that they're noobtown. For sake of argument, if they are noobs making false scumtells, in that case, who beyond Chaoser do you see as Scum? Right now Kurumi and Irish are the best candidates for a lynch, and I agree that the cases may seem weak, but I don´t see anyone else! | ||
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On May 05 2011 22:13 Kurumi wrote: I set the traps already,just waiting for prey,sadly I am out of nets so I won't be able to catch it myself. My analysis would be based on weak accusations and probably overlooked things,I might not be able to write anything useful,but I will try. It is sad to see You're counting me only as dead's last will. But it is okay. You are not dead until you are dead, which is why you should defend yourself. Also even if it´s a weak case, I still want to hear it. You have seen something, and if it keeps going like this, then you won´t be able to tell anyone about it after the lynch. | ||
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On May 06 2011 02:36 Eternalmisfit wrote: People defending others ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/QrdnSl&jEcjA) People accusing/FoS/Voting others ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/QrdnS&jEcjAl) How to read this chart Every player has a number against him. Green number on the column of a player means defense or town call for player # by this player Red number on the column means accusation or mafia call for player # by this player Bold and deep color represents multiple occasions of the said event i.e. strong support/attack This chart is applicable till Takuna's first post on page 33 (not including it) The purpose behind this is to analyze potential relationships between different people which will come into play after we people flip after lynches/deaths. I will post a more detailed analysis with my thoughts based on this within 30-60 mins. Very interesting numbers, thanks for gathering them. If you accept advice, you may have a bit low threshold on defending, but I might be wrong, defending and picking apart a weak argument are not the same thing. May I suggest an inverted table on the second one, where you show who each player have been accused of being scum by? | ||
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If you open them in two tabs between eachother and switch back and forth, it´s much easier to see which players are not saying anything. | ||
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##Unote: Kurumi ##Vote: redtooth (I´m posting in the other thread too, just wanted to be polite and inform people of the voting here too, since it´s easier to see updates in the main thread) | ||
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On May 06 2011 05:33 redtooth wrote: Zzzz. I didn't upset anybody? Errr I upset >half the goddamn town already, not to mention Chaoser personally. Also, please understand the value of finding town. It really isn't as sexy as finding scum but just as valuable. If you're prosecuting for the sake of prosecuting, gtfo. You should be prosecuting for the sake of finding scum and eliminating the options seems pretty valuable to me. Also, you make no sense. Why would I be scared of pissing off Kurumi and Irish? It would make me more town-looking if anything. Secondly, why does my smurf matter to you? I mean you're really pushing for it to get revealed but I really don't get why. Is it a lynch-all-liars thing? Maybe I'm just embarrassed about how bad I played. Maybe I got inactivity lynched. Who knows but I mean the only reason you would look for it is to see my meta but you have plenty of that already. Please explain to me the following: What does lying about another game have to do with my role in this game? Wait a second, redtooth, I thought you considered Kurumi and Irish to be noobtown before, did you change your mind? | ||
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On May 06 2011 05:41 redtooth wrote: Irish I still think is town. Kurumi, I'll have to check again. Still leaning towards town though. Actually, where the hell did you even get that line of thought from my previous post? You said you were checking Kurumi, and I assumed pissing off Kurumi and Irish refered to calling them out on their scummy behavior. | ||
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On May 06 2011 06:17 redtooth wrote: AKA tunneling. See scumtells from everything I say don't you. Well whatever, I'll play along for now - I said that the act of pissing off Kurumi and Irish would have made me seem protown since they were getting bandwagoned hard and I would have fit right in with the rest of you all. Instead I kicked the beehive and now (somehow) stand accused of pandering them. I did check out Kurumi. Less confident that he's town but he's still leaning town nonetheless. We'll see. I don't like realvoting (as opposed to baitvoting) early, especially if I'll probably be around for the deadline and can actually make a difference in the count. If voting was to end 5 minutes from now, I'd put it on Chaoser just out of protest. If I had to be the tiebreaker between Kurumi and KillerSOS, I'd probably put it on Killer. If I had to be the tiebreaker between Kurumi and Irish, I'd probably put it on Chaoser simply because I don't want to be anywhere near those ridiculous lynches. Is it tunneling if you admit that I´m right, that calling Irish and Kurumi scum would be protown right now? | ||
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On May 06 2011 06:33 redtooth wrote: I am busy today. We will probably end up lynching Kurumi. I was going to ask whether you would want to request a Day Vigi hit on Irish since you're so confident (70% is absolutely ridiculous IMO but you might just like higher numbers) but it's too late and our response would take too long. Worst case scenario, we fumble the lynch and do have a double-townkill round. Wouldn´t wasting a day-vigilante be a bit of a waste? | ||
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On May 06 2011 06:44 Forumite wrote: It's not a waste if it's a 70% chance of scumhit. If I was the one pushing it, I'd take those odds anyday. If it really was 70%, the net expected results aren't too bad either:Wouldn´t wasting a day-vigilante be a bit of a waste? - 70% chance of occurring - We hit Irish, he flips red, we catch a scum we wouldn't have caught otherwise. Net of +1 at the cost of a Day Vigi shot. - 30% chance of occurring - We hit Irish, he flips green, we stop the bandwagon on Kurumi and save a townie. Net of 0 at the cost of a Day Vigi shot.[/QUOTE] Where does 70/30 come from? | ||
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On May 06 2011 06:51 redtooth wrote: It's not a waste if it's a 70% chance of scumhit. If I was the one pushing it, I'd take those odds anyday. If it really was 70%, the net expected results aren't too bad either: - 70% chance of occurring - We hit Irish, he flips red, we catch a scum we wouldn't have caught otherwise. Net of +1 at the cost of a Day Vigi shot. - 30% chance of occurring - We hit Irish, he flips green, we stop the bandwagon on Kurumi and save a townie. Net of 0 at the cost of a Day Vigi shot. What does 70/30 come from? | ||
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On May 06 2011 07:00 AirbladeOrange wrote: Please don't use any vigilante actions now. It's way too soon without having much to go on. These percentages don't really mean anything and anyone advocating the use of our blue roles at this point is not having the town's best interests in mind. Quoted for visibility | ||
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On May 06 2011 06:59 Kurumi wrote: Again I stayed up for Mafia a bit too long,but I just want to see how it goes,so I will be lurking from my PSP in bed. Just a thought: I flip red,Irish and redtooth are suspicious. 3 Scum giveaway on Day1? Really? I don't think it is possible. I flip blue and people can't understand how I managed to get myself lynched I flip green and Irish and redtooth are not as suspicious,but every person nitpicking and tunneling me is now suspicious,together with bandwagoners and lurkers emerging just to vote on me. + Show Spoiler + I will flip rainbow,maybe even double one If you are blue, now´s the time to roleclaim. On May 06 2011 07:00 redtooth wrote: This is the last time I'm helping you. Seriously, stop acting like a baby and do the reasoning yourself. You're quickly losing any credibility you have with your empty questioning. Chaoser stated that he was 70% sure Irish was scum. That is the "70" part of 70/30. The "30" part of 70/30 comes from when you subtract 70 from 100 and then you get 30. Why are you arguing that day-vigilante is a good move by using probabilities you yourself think are wrong? | ||
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It was really too good to be true to find scum during the first day. At least we got some analysis to work with, one way or another. @Cthsazsa Not much to say, questions are often short posts, and you don´t burn a day-vigi to make sure a lynch sticks. About the bandwagon, there really wasn´t any support to lynch redtooth, so I moved back to kurumi to make sure the vote couldn´t be redirected during the last minute by Mafia. Satisfied? | ||
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On May 07 2011 13:49 DropBear wrote: What redtooth is doing is derailing town. Don't listen to him. Before his big "reorganisation" people were looking at who voted for Kurumi. Now discussion is being dominated by rules on how we should post. He is trying to shift the focus of town away from scumhunting. If this isn't pushing Mafia objectives I don't know what is. I urge everyone to continue posting analysis and prodding people. Instead of his rules, I offer two: 1. Keep it structured 2. Back it up with evidence. That's all you need! Continue looking at people, keep hunting! I agree with what Dropbear is saying here. Redtooth is posting a lot about rules, and while it may look nice, they don´t help in scumhunting. Earlier the discussion was on Kurumi and Irish, and since Irish came under suspicion, he´s stopped posting. Furthermore the mislynch of Kurumi seems to make people forget that once many actually considered Irish a stronger candidate for a lynch than Kurumi. We were wrong about Kurumi, but that doesn´t make Irish a confirmed Town. Unfortunately I don´t have any evidence for or against, since Irish hasn´t posted since page 22! My vote will stay on Irish_Punk13 until he shows up and gives a good explanation for himself. #Vote: Irish_Punk13 | ||
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On May 07 2011 17:55 DropBear wrote: Node, you put out a call for subs. Is it possible to find out which players are requesting replacement and why? There are a lot of people lurking and this information is relevant. I´d like to chime in. I fear Irish is taking his "lurking to avoid suspicion" a bit too far. If he´s replaced then the new player will probably blame having to read through the thread, staying under the radar even longer. | ||
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On May 06 2011 14:36 kevconsim wrote: I would just like to say hello and that i think ur scum because you spelled my name wrong. I have been following the thread a little bit and will have my full opinion of people tomorrow but as of now and when i was told i could start posting. I AM TIRED I´m looking forward to hearing his analysis of the game so far. | ||
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Thanks for your extensive analysis =P | ||
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On May 08 2011 03:56 ilovejonn wrote: I confused myself there. What my main point is, is that I think Beneather should have voted who he thought was scum, instead of last minute going on the bandwagon with NO explanation at all to seem to blend in with the majority of the people. It felt like his mentality was since the majority of town thinks Kurumi needs to be lynched, it would be silly of me to not go with the town's decision. Perhaps my logic is faulty, but my bigger scum read on him is still the activity level change. If he decides to come back with an explanation, I'll reconsider my vote. About Beneather I am having a hard time getting a scumread on Beneather. There´s just not enough to go on. Even the late vote doesn´t guarantee a scum, it could just have been a vote to avoid a modkill, and thrown on Kurumi because he didn´t have any opinion, and he just wanted to get a vote in where it didn´t really matter. It´s hard to get a scumread on him, even if he´s extremely anti-town by hardcore lurking, but anti-town =/= scum. For now I´d prefer to wait with lynching him until after the next day, because I´m hoping he gets modkilled. | ||
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On May 08 2011 04:29 ilovejonn wrote: In that case, would you not think Irish would get modkilled as well? I can only hope. It feels like people forgot of the accusations on Irish, and I´m keeping my vote on him so people don´t forget. I don´t like the embarassed silence after the mislynch. How often does Town make a correct lynch during the first day anyway? | ||
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On May 08 2011 04:29 ilovejonn wrote: In that case, would you not think Irish would get modkilled as well? I can only hope. It feels like people forgot of the accusations on Irish, and I´m keeping my vote on him so people don´t forget. I don´t like the embarassed silence after the mislynch. How often does Town make a correct lynch during the first day anyway? | ||
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About Amber. Reluctant to point fingers. Talks a bit about Chaoser, but mostly defending himself. Calling attention to the nightkills. Would have lurked much better unless tunneled by Chaoser. Vote on Kurumi for the weak posting. Good music in his Profile. OMGUS: Wall-of-text'ed Chaoser, not a real Omgus but that wall was almost as scary as Redtooths rules. Took no votes at all during Day 1, but tunneling from Chaoser. Cthsazsa, initially no real accusations, talking about inactives and how noone looks scummy. Claims noobtown. Soon starts with FoS. Objects to redtooth and his rules. Defends himself by brushing away accusations or being rude. Not afraid to get attention. FoS and votes on: AO, Conversion, Irish, Beneather, Forumite, VarpuliS OMGUS on: Conversion, Chaoser, possible others 2nd most votes Day 1 (5 after Kurumis 13) Fun fact: Jackal who voted on Cth died. _________________ Crude postcheck, I probably missed a lot of things against them. Right now I get red/bluetell from Amber, red/green from Cthsazsa. A lot of it depends on who you decide are obvTown, because the accusers are more or less the same for both. With Cth battling or accusing Conversion, Irish, two scummy players, makes me doubt the idea of lynching either of them. I´m having trouble backing a lynch on Cthsazsa OR Amber, and will keep my vote on Irish for now. | ||
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On May 08 2011 15:17 chaos13 wrote: The reason behind being gone is irrelevant, since we can´t check up on it, and because Mafia lie. If Irish returns then he has a lot to answer for. I was talking to Irish on UG, and he said he forgot the password to his TL account. Chances are he will be modkilled. On May 08 2011 14:15 Mig wrote: Fine, I guess we can hold on Beneather and Irish until they return or get modkilled. Beneather/irish should be completely ignored for the time being. There is a good chance both will be modkilled. So unless they post again in the thread, there is no reason to discuss or vote for them. It would be a good idea if people who did vote for these 2 changed their votes on to someone else. Placing a vote on someone likely to be modkilled is a good way to blend in without actually taking a stand on any issues. Also then we have to deal with a bunch of people switching around their votes last minute. If either of them actually post then we can discuss if they should be lynched. If I were going to vote now I would vote for Cthsazsa. I am not 100% sold on him being scum but out of the leading candidates I think he looks the worst. Mainly for his first couple of posts where he was staying extremely neutral and then his reaction to jackals tunneling. I am not completely sold on amber being mafia yet. The long post where he talked about his previous games I thought was pretty shady but I thought his reasons for voting for kurumi were fine. So I guess the main points against him are the long post and just his overall lack of content along with possibly aidnai fosing him. I will wait for him to post more before the end of the day before I make a judgment on him. And so its clear GGQ is the only one claiming to have been role blocked last night right? Is it correct that GGQ claim roleblock for last night? Does that tell us anything at all? On May 08 2011 14:19 DropBear wrote: I noticed from earlier how orgolove was following along on voiting for big talkers, chaoser and redtooth, and the easy target of Kurumi. Right now he looks, at least to me, more scummy than either Amber or Cthasazha. Orgolove is bandwagoning whoever is most suspicious at the time. His votes redtooth despite misgivings. Why would you vote redtooth if you think he could be townie? Why did he vote for Kurumi? Orgolove is mafia. ______________ If we are focusing on a few Scum, then I say we remove Irish and Beneather (at least until they return), and add Orgolove from the list. I got scumtells from redtooth during day1, but more and more I´m leaning towards Chaoser and redtooth as obvTown. Because of that, and because a Mafia that talks eventually outs himself, I say we should drop trying to lynch him and focus on the others. | ||
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Yes, I agree that Amber is looking weird with his post about "Once the day hits" and not taking stances, never accusing anyone, but that isn´t necessarily a redtell, even for veterans. We should still keep him on the scumlist and consider lynching. _____________ What do people think about considering these for lynching? Please add or remove as you think best: Amber[Light] Cthsazsa Orgolove | ||
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On May 08 2011 23:25 Eternalmisfit wrote: EDWOP: both Cthsazsa and Irish are Are what? Possible scum? Better lynches? | ||
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On May 08 2011 23:51 sinani206 wrote: Lyter chaos13 kevconsim Takuna Beneather I´d like to add Kenpachi to the list of people not contributing. The only thing he´s done since Day 2 is calling me scum, voting on me, and then disappearing again. It´s enough to avoid a modkill, but that´s it. I assume from your list that Irish_Punk13 is considered for a modkill, correct? | ||
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On May 09 2011 00:12 Varpulis wrote: Just woke up. Busy weekend. It looks like Beneather's in for a modkill, so i'm taking my vote off of him. I was hoping to pressure him into some activity, but no dice. As soon as I find his suspicious posts (damn the lack of the "all" button) I'll make my case against Cthsazsa. Check his profile, only 10 posts in this game. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Beneather&gb=date On May 09 2011 00:11 sandroba wrote: Please, make a decent argument. This post doesn´t help in any way. Ok, vote for me or Amber[Light]. One of us is definitively scum. | ||
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On May 09 2011 00:23 sandroba wrote: redtooth refuted that post the next page. Amber bragged about another game where he did well, and now proceed to accuse without conviction, but that´s most of the case against him. I've already made my argument. You can read my full analysis on amber here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=216644¤tpage=53#1053 | ||
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On May 09 2011 02:18 Cthsazsa wrote: And I just realized, you are using the very termed you coined on me, WIFOM. It´s a widely used term. | ||
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On May 09 2011 03:16 sandroba wrote: Most people who don't believe Amber is mafia are stuck on the idea that chaoser is mafia or I am mafia. So lynching either him or me is going to reveal the most mafia. About the lynch, I get a strong bluetell from Amber, and I prefer not to ignore my gutfeeling and lynch a blue when we have perfectly good scumtells from Cthsazsa and Orgolove. Sandroba and Chaoser are really pushing on that connection between eachother. I don´t like how Sandroba does these "lynch me if I´m wrong" statements. Town can mislynch, it happens all the time, because it´s only Mafia who can ever be 100% sure of the lynch, and saying that you are 100% sure that a target is Mafia is just confusing, because why would Mafia lynch their own? Sure, they can be correct, but they can´t be sure as Town, which is the problem. Self-lynching Mafia or confident Town? I´d prefer to wait with this WIFOM for a while. Is Sandroba and Chaoser scum? I don´t think so, I hope not, but that discussion can wait. | ||
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Ignore the last paragraf. I thought they said somewhere they were 100% sure but I didn´t find the post. Either way, I think the question if Sandroba and Chaoser are Town shouldn´t be the topic now, with 8h left on the lynch. | ||
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On May 09 2011 03:56 chaoser wrote: @Forumite, if amber is blue, he's playing the worst blue ever. He's been consciously trying to fake contribute. Blues don't do that. Reread his attack on Sandroba, it was very weak. If he´s blue, then he can save himself by claiming, so fine, he´s a valid target for now. On May 09 2011 04:00 sandroba wrote: Another point on why Amber[Light] is scum: He has posted a list of the "important" post of each player that died at night. First of all this is a non-contribution, because it does not states the reason why those are important. Second, If you are town How The Hell would you know which posts are really important? The post are presented on a non chronological fashion, and it only makes sense for you to post them in such manner, without stating reason, if you are scum trying to point town in the wrong direction. This is a very weak accusation. Picking out posts is not a scumtell, unless he actively choose posts which give a certain message, like pointing fingers against a certain player. Did you find something like that? | ||
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While his guidelines for posting are too much of a hazzle for me, they don´t make him scum. He actually posted a good reason for spending Night 1 with talking about that, to avoid rampant accusations that would only lead to WIFOM and chaos once the nightkills came in. | ||
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On May 09 2011 05:30 Kenpachi wrote: Ill get you next time Forumite. ##unvote ##vote Amber[Light] I hear you. By the way, do you have any reasoning to go against Amber[Light] over the other candidates? | ||
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On May 09 2011 05:19 chaoser wrote: I don´t follow this reasoning. Mafia killpower is 3/night for now. Being undetected and creating confusion is Mafias primary goal, lynching strong Town is secondary. It´s much easier to kill the right person with a nightkill, so Mafia don´t need to lynch strong Town in order to win, just stay undetected. Pushing a lynch on an easy target over a strong player is not a Towntell. If we were mafia you think we'd BOTH stick our necks out to get AMBER out of all people lynched? | ||
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On May 09 2011 06:28 sandroba wrote: @Redtooth Look at it this way. You were pretty convinced KillerSOS was mafia day1. You both were the most loud voices on town day1. Don't you think that if chaoser was mafia, he would push for KillerSOS lynch with you? Why would Mafia push to lynch a blue, when they can just nightkill him? Pushing a lynch only mean Town catches on and perhaps sends a Medic to protect him. Not trying to lynch KillerSOS when you see he´s Blue is not a towntell. | ||
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Town would back off, to avoid calling attention to a blue Mafia would back off, and rely on a safe nightkill out of the blue Backing off from a blue is neither a Towntell or a Scumtell. | ||
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On May 09 2011 06:41 sandroba wrote: @Forumite For reals? Why would Mafia NOT push for a lynch in that situation? A lot of people were suspicious of Killer at that point. He was on the edge of claiming blue, he did hint enough that several noticed. Once he claims, getting him lynched is much harder, and scum risk showing themselves, or provoke a medic to protect KillerSOS. Sure, scum might try to lynch anyway, I´m just saying that backing off isn´t just something Town would do. Mafia has almost as much reason. The only thing that comment, and subsequent backing off, by chaoser proves is that he knew Killer was blue. | ||
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On May 09 2011 07:04 chaoser wrote: I´m just pointing out that some things that might look like Towntells are not tells at all. Ok Forumite, then why do I want amber lynched so god damn bad then? The current theory is that he's blue and that's why I want to do it but according to you that's not what mafia would do. I do think Amber is an acceptable lynch. That people get a bluetell from him is out allready. Now I´m waiting for him to claim or die. | ||
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On May 09 2011 07:36 Varpulis wrote: How many modkills are we looking at today? I have a feeling that this game could get very small, very fast. Right now? 10 possible modkills... | ||
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. . . . . Town:Scum Day 1 . - 24:6 Night 1 - 20:6 Day 2 . - 17:4 Night 2 - 15:4 - projected | ||
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On May 09 2011 18:05 DropBear wrote: EBWOP: Conversely, if roleblocking one of their own players costs a KP, then GGQ is cleared as telling the truth because 3 people died night 1. Wether or not roleblocking costs a KP doesn´t matter. GGQ can still be Mafia if GGQ lied about being roleblocked. This is WIFOM, and doesn´t give anything. | ||
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On May 09 2011 18:45 DropBear wrote: Actually Node, one more question. Can the roleblocker block themselves or can they only block other mafia goons and the godfather? Again, no point. Roleblocking themselves and withholding the roleblock is the same thing. Roleblockers don´t have to use their ability every night. | ||
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On May 09 2011 18:55 Forumite wrote: What happened to kevconsim? He replaced Rising_Phoenix but didn´t vote this day either. Shouldn´t he be modkilled too? Nevermind, he was replaced by Beneather who got himself modkilled. *facepalm* | ||
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On May 09 2011 18:56 Forumite wrote: Nevermind, he was replaced by Beneather who got himself modkilled. *facepalm* Actually, it´s still relevant. The player list says Beneather was modkilled as Day vigi #30, but also took over #23 after Rising_Phoenix and kevconsim. What happened to #23? is it modkilled too? | ||
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On May 09 2011 19:25 Node wrote: Kevconsim was not modkilled because he requested a replacement with advance notice and had a damn good reason for not being around. For some reason I confused Beneather with Impervious and mixed them up on the player list. For the record, Impervious replaced kevconsim who replaced Rising_Phoenix. I know kevconsim had a good reason, but his role could still be removed. Got it, Impervious, took over right after the Day2 post, and posted two short posts. | ||
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On May 09 2011 20:05 Impervious wrote: Yea, it was pretty late at night for me, so I didn't say much more than "hi". I don't have anything to add to the discussion yet, but I am keeping up with everything. What is your opinion on the current players? Thoughts on the most popular scums? | ||
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On May 10 2011 04:39 Kurumi wrote: shut up foo' ghosts don't exist + Show Spoiler + I am joking(I didn't mean to be aggressive by any means) Ah! A Ghost! | ||
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On May 10 2011 05:53 Varpulis wrote: I was looking through the list of players, trying to find TBD, until I remembered the acronym. Chaoser's list seems solid, assuming it is
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On May 10 2011 11:47 orgolove wrote: This is in progress - I'm posting this just in case I'm killed in the night (though not likely) [url blocked] The excel file contains the vote time and target for the past 2 days. It's quite interesting. I'll post a full analysis after day breaks and I have a few more identifiers. Waiting for your analysis. | ||
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On May 10 2011 17:27 orgolove wrote: 10 out of those 17 comes from the fact that he came second to a red lynch, and all the high red-value players were willing to vote on him and see him through before the votes turned against them... It's not like Amber was the godfather or even the roleblocker. Amber was just a mafia goon, and the reds were willing to lynch Cthsazsa over Amber... I think I can be very sure that Cthsazsa is town aligned. Why do you take away 10p for something like that? There is nothing stopping Mafia from voting on eachother, in fact I think they do it all the time to throw us off. Anyway I´d like the whole total, not just where those 10 come from. | ||
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On May 10 2011 18:06 orgolove wrote: Ah. I just saw your post. Actually, from my records your votes were: Day 2 player voted for 7-May 12:30 dropbear redtooth 8-May 14:20 dropbear orgolove 9-May 1:12 dropbear sandroba 9-May 11:15 dropbear cthsazsa 9-May 11:24 dropbear Amber[light] Where does the other points on Dropbear come from? | ||
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On May 10 2011 19:15 sandroba wrote:If they had multiple roleblockers they would not waste 2kp on him and only keep roleblocking him. Makes sense. Also it´s been awfully quiet about roleblocks. If anyone was roleblocked during night 1 or 2, please come forward with it. | ||
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On May 10 2011 18:34 orgolove wrote: the +2 came after chaosers DT-claim, so should be ignored. +5 is plain bad luck for voting at the wrong time, and the +3 doesn´t mean much either, unless he KNEW who was scum. +3 from voting one of the #2s when a confirmed red was leading +5 from making the lynch a tie from a red leading lynch +2 from last minute bandwagon vote switch on a red that is confirmed to be lynched So from +13.5 we end up with +3.5... I´m not saying that this can´t be usefull data, but it´s too many random factors, like the +/-10 difference between tieing in favor of a green or red. The calculation assume that the players know the alignments, but only scum do, and they will probably not act the way you say scum should act anyway, because it´s dangerous and Town sometimes pick up on it. Dropbear could be the one anyway, but not because of the data. | ||
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On May 10 2011 19:49 sandroba wrote: His votes look a bit scummy in hindsight, as does his call for a vigi-hit, but I don´t get a scumfeeling from his posts in general. On the other hand he was on chaosers list, and chaoser has had scary accuracy so far, and I´m inclined to trust his scumsense more than my own. @Forumite So can we please slay EternalMisfit? Sure, EM deserve to be looked at as a primary candidate for a lynch. | ||
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@Impervious If one of you could do a check on Orgolove, I´d appreciate it. I´ve noticed his voting strategy being to single out strong posters, especially trying to build a lynch against redtooth, and is one of those players that look scummy to me but never crop up when we try to lynch someone. | ||
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_________ Chaos13 - One of the earlier to go for Amber[Light]. Slow poster with sometimes weak arguments, but probably Town. EternalMisfit - Consistently defending Amber[Light], attacking Cthsazsa, Sandroba, Chaoser and Redtooth. Very focused during day2. Stopped the attack once Amber[Light] flipped. DropBear - Hard to read, but has one strong scumtell. The slip is that there could of course be 2 roleblockers, but DropBear knows there is only one, who just died. On May 10 2011 13:16 DropBear wrote: Good work chaoser. Sorry I accused you After GGQ's flip we are down to the godfather and 2 goons. More roleblock claims are outright lies. | ||
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Both your linked posts against sinani206 have to do with him not reading the thread enough, they don´t prove he´s scum. | ||
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On May 11 2011 00:47 DropBear wrote: You think Sandroba is Scum? And should I and/or EM flip town, I hope you will lynch him. Look at his voting pattern as well. | ||
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On May 11 2011 01:03 sandroba wrote: He's saying ilovejonn. My bad. If EternalMisfit is building a case against sinani206, and both are on the list, what does that make those two? Both scum or one of each? | ||
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GGQ doesn´t clear either DropBear, Kitaman or orgolove, he disagrees with them all, but no strong FoS against any of them, at least I didn´t find any. . | ||
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On May 11 2011 01:39 DropBear wrote: Yes, it is a FoS, a weak one though. PbP analysies are ALWAYS the way to go Yeah I know I said in the post is isn't solid enough. The one closest to an FoS is on me.  On May 11 2011 01:35 DropBear wrote:oh fuck I don't know. And neither do I. IMO EM remain a better target than DB | ||
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On May 11 2011 04:06 sandroba wrote: You refer to his old roleclaim, where he called himself Vanilla Townie? Ok I just read my pm and the OP. Nowhere in the op is the word vanilla. I guess I must be wrong about EM. | ||
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On May 11 2011 03:52 ilovejonn wrote: I would unvote but I´d probably be pinged as scum for voteswitching. (bah dum tsh)Wow can you guys not read only one part of a sentence? I am basically role claiming there hello? It's fine if you don't believe you can go ahead and vote for me, but I'd rather not have us mislynch. If there are still veterans in the mafia, my GF suspects are redtooth and orgolove. If there are only new players in the mafia team left it could be anyone really. Question, why redtooth and orgolove? | ||
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On May 11 2011 06:50 sandroba wrote: I fell asleep, that´s what was up. It went well anyway. Hey forumite, I noticed you promissed to change your vote to amber unless he claimed blue but you didn't do it. What's up with that? | ||
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On May 11 2011 08:42 Eternalmisfit wrote:In any case, quite a few people are missing from thread completely today and I would like to hear their opinion/take on the discussion. Them being: VarpuliS, Kenpachi, jaminz, Conversion, and sinani. Staying silent now is the most anti-town thing you can do. Start posting. | ||
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On May 11 2011 09:14 Varpulis wrote: How's that for posting? btw i got the mods to change my name, so there's no longer a capital "s." [tyrael] No! Don´t do it! [/tyrael] @VarpuliS Good write-up on sinani206. Looks like a good day 3 lynch | ||
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____________ Early posts. + Show Spoiler + Defending confirmed scum On May 04 2011 14:46 orgolove wrote: Is Irish a new player? Could make sense if he's new - he wouldn't want his first game end so quickly. Diverting attention to Town On page 35, after EM posted his excelsheet, orgolove posted that the ones who looked suspicious to him was EM, chaoser, kurumi (and DropBear), two of which are confirmed [green]Town[green]. On May 06 2011 04:15 orgolove wrote: Great post. We need to look at the people who've been pointing fingers indiscriminately, like 5, 18, and 22. On May 06 2011 04:20 orgolove wrote: Oh and 17 too. Trying to look helpfull Nothing came of this, even though the spreadsheet could be easily recreated. On May 06 2011 04:23 orgolove wrote: Can you give me this spreadsheet? I may have some pattern recognition software that I might be able to gather, and coordinate the time of the accusatory posts with the contents to see if a particular group of players (reds) were on-line and accusing the same person at around the same point in time. Tunneling on helpfull Town-leader, redtooth + Show Spoiler + Following are a few posts that implicate redtooth as scum, 9 of them. After the first 5 posts against redtooth, he suddenly becomes convinced redtooth is Town, but quickly after, he posts 4 times urging a lynch on redtooth, including a ##Vote. On May 07 2011 09:30 orgolove wrote:He's really putting serious effort into his posts, and he's trying to trick things without being afraid of being revealed. I can't detect any hint of red-ness (pun intended). Trying to save Amber by lynching a probable Town as an information-lynch On May 08 2011 09:11 orgolove wrote: I really think redtooth either needs to be checked by a dt or be lynched asap. He's been acting plenty scummy enough, and his kills will give us plenty of information both on Amber and others involved in this dispute. A pre-night posting of useless information + Show Spoiler + During Night 2, just 15minutes before the daypost. It didn´t show us anything that the voting thread didn´t allready show. Seriously, the post contained NO usefull data. On May 10 2011 11:47 orgolove wrote: This is in progress - I'm posting this just in case I'm killed in the night (though not likely) [url blocked] The excel file contains the vote time and target for the past 2 days. It's quite interesting. I'll post a full analysis after day breaks and I have a few more identifiers. First attempt at analysis, during day 3. + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=216644¤tpage=74#1473 The analysis was full of conditions that turn Cthsazsas from +1 to -17, conditions easily tweaked, added or removed to get the desired outcome, or even asking his scumbuddies to vote in a way that makes them look Town to his conditions. This is also referenced later to try and get DropBear lynched. He sends out his FoS, summarized in the next spoiler FoS and votes + Show Spoiler + Focused accusations. Has been trying to get these lynched since Day 1 FoS DropBear 6 FoS Ilovejonn 2 FoS AirbladeOrange 2 FoS VarpuliS 2 FoS Eternalmisfit 2 FoS redtooth 9 Votes on helpfull Town-leaders, Town, and one post on Amber, which he milked for Town-points. Votes! Day 1 ##Vote: Kurumi Day 2 ##vote: Amber[Light] -(tieing Amber with Cthsazsa, for which his analysis makes him more Town) Day 3 ##Vote: ilovejonn His latest post, which was 27h ago. He´s confident that Town will mislynch, so he´s been lurking ever since, there´s no need to interfere. On May 10 2011 18:39 orgolove wrote: ____________Hm. All right - I won't claim my effort as of now is 100% flawless, as after all, it's only dealing with two days worth of data. It's really late - good night. Conclusion + Show Spoiler + Unhelpfull analysis, the few times he gives it, voting on Confirmed Town or in a way that is used only to gain Town-credit. Defends Irish and Amber. Lurks now that noone is thinking about lynching him. Scum. | ||
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On May 11 2011 22:33 chaos13 wrote: Yeah, I remember your last FoS on me, it wasn´t very strong so i guess most of it was undefineable suspicions. I´m a bit erratic, and sometimes tunnel, so i guess that´s part of it. Forumite, I haven't trusted you for a while in this game. Your analysis has seemed a bit strange from the start. Doesn't mean that you're scum, as I haven't noticed a good scum read from you yet, but you're definitely iffy with me. On May 11 2011 22:37 sandroba wrote: I just wanted him considered. He´s been commented as scummy by a few, posted an analysis that didn´t help, and now dropped out. I want to make sure we don´t forget about him, even though I don´t have any high hopes on lynching him today. Easy there forumite. There's a chance orgolove is scum indeed, but he was one of the first to vote for Amber on his lynch. This gets him +towine points in my eyes. There are much more obvious scum waiting to be lynched. We can save the discussion on orgolove for tomorrow. | ||
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On May 11 2011 23:21 sandroba wrote:I would like an explanation on your sleep schedule aswel. 14:40 you just woke up, you will read the thread and comment. Where is the comment? 23:05 you just woke up again???? I lol´d | ||
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Indeed, I´m worrying about how many are going for Sinani, on the other hand it can´t be all scum, and we can´t rule out that scum are hiding outside the vote entirely. There are 6 players who haven´t voted yet, and 2 more who haven´t taken a stand on those two. | ||
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On May 12 2011 05:49 Varpulis wrote:@forumite why are you concerned that people are voting for Sinani? The vote is strongly in favor of EM, so there is a possibility of that they are going for EM to save sinani. It´s still a few left to vote, so my panic is probably premature. On May 12 2011 05:56 sandroba wrote: Please don´t tell them that.Well, none of my prime suspects except for sinani are on the EM wagon. Plus there's pretty solid evidence EM is scum. If somehow EM flips green I will see things in a different light. On May 12 2011 05:58 kitaman27 wrote: True, true. It's not an OMGUS vote when your life is at stake. Regardless of whether Sinani is scum or town, it makes sense for his vote to be on EM unless he was going to push a third candidate. | ||
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On May 12 2011 06:40 Varpulis wrote: None of them had a really good reason to vote for the other, except "better you than me". Fine, it's not OMGUS. It's still joining a bandwagon without giving a real reason. "There's some evidence and stuff" is not a reason, at least not a good one. EM said "I´ll vote for sinani206 unless I come back before night" sinani206 said "It looks like there is most evidence on EM" | ||
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On May 12 2011 06:50 sandroba wrote: =)@Forumite Rest assured I'm not telling them everything. I have 3 pages of stuff written with various possible scenarios =) Good to hear. | ||
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If you have to choose between sinani and EM, whom do you choose? I´m not telling you to vote, I just want your opinion. | ||
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On May 12 2011 11:18 GMarshal wrote:##Pardon: Node Where´s the Planar Dragon when we need it? Not today. I am the mafia pardoner, and I cannot be lynched! | ||
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We are currently voting based on your gut, I hope it´s correct. | ||
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On May 12 2011 12:01 jaminz wrote: Well playedWell fuck | ||
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On May 12 2011 12:03 Varpulis wrote: I´ve no idea about ilj, but Jaminz's save of sinani make them both almost 100% confirmed scum. FoS ilovejonn and Sinani206. Throw in Jaminz for good measure. | ||
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sinani206 looks glad to be alive at the cost of a townie | ||
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On May 12 2011 12:51 orgolove wrote:Don't expect me to put in any more significant effort into this game. You deserve to lose this. Are you going back to lurking then? | ||
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On May 12 2011 13:15 orgolove wrote: Are you giving up now that Town is on to Scum? Sure. Lynch me -_- I really don't care anymore. | ||
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On May 12 2011 13:27 orgolove wrote: Seriously? The only ones calling you scum until now is EM and I. Where is the framing going on? You expect me to spend another 3-4 hours recording every single vote, when I know it won't be heeded? Notice how a. none of the townies actually cared to read it, and b. my suspects are actually trying to frame me back as a red because they feel threatened. GG | ||
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On May 13 2011 08:22 GMarshal wrote: It´s still a balance issue. Those Day 2 modkills hurt Town immensely, and I´d actually prefer if Rising_Phoenix had been modkilled too. It would have elliminated the possibility of him being Scum, but made sure to get a replacement because of pressure from Mafia. It´s a changed element of the game, which will affect the outcome. When people get themselves modkilled, then at least they cripple their own team, so it´s fair in a way, and we don´t get these blameless extremelurkers. Having Rising_Phoenix modkilled would have been simpler. For future reference we replace players in the order replacements were requested, kevconism was actually the only player to request to be replaced, so don't make any assumptions based on that. ^_^ | ||
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##Vote: sinani206 | ||
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On May 13 2011 11:55 Varpulis wrote: Alright, I got some shit to do tonight, so I'm going to post my scum/town list now. Scum Sinani206 I've already said why multiple times, but I'll say it again. -He's not contributing -He's using inexperience as an excuse -He wasn't lynched because of a bandwagon on a townie. Because this lynch was so close, this makes him even more suspicious. ilovejonn I'm not sure about him, but he's been relatively suspicious. He's worth checking out after lynching Sinani orgolove I disagree with his methods, and to me his data seems tailored not to point out actual scum. Again, somebody to check out after Sinani. Could just be a townie who I disagree with though, not sure. Apart from these, I don't have very good scumreads on anybody else. The only solid read I've got is on Sinani. Town Sandroba Pretty much got confirmed when Amber[LighT] flipped, iirc DropBear Aggressively analyzing, admitting his mistakes, overall good town play. Cthsazsa There's no way that both he and Amber were scum. Kenpachi vigi. 'nuff said. I don't have time right now to post what I think about each player. I'm sure I'm forgetting some people. If I die tonight, lynch Sinani. Don't argue, don't try to find a better target, just lynch Sinani. I have to agree with VarpuliS post right before the night. Right now we´re going for sinani206, and then moving on to the others. Personally I don´t see how Ilovejonn and orgolove could both be Scum, but that´s for another day. Right now we take out sinani206. Sinani206 | ||
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On May 13 2011 22:36 chaos13 wrote:I would like to point out that I did not vote for Cthsazsa. I was the third vote on Amber[Light], and it stayed there. I have in fact never voted for Cthsazsa. Noted. Personally chaos13 is not on my short-list of scummiest players. | ||
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I´m going away over the weekend, leaving in about 14h. I´m hoping sinani206 is going down, because of what happened during the last night, because he still looks scummy, and because his flip would give a lot of info on jaminz and others. Unfortunately I won´t be here to argue during the end of it, so who is getting lynched is up to you. If it makes you happier, then think about the fact that I´m going to have to wait about 15h after the night before I finally get to know the result of this days lynch. | ||
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On May 14 2011 05:54 Kenpachi wrote: After yesterday? Seriously? Don´t let up, Scum will take any chance they can to get on our good side the moment we forget their history. K. i dont wan tto kill sinani anymore. hes being stacked on way too fast in the past couple of hours. i say we kill AirbladeOrange.. | ||
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Good Luck with the lynch! | ||
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On May 16 2011 08:52 AirbladeOrange wrote: Is the godfather guaranteed to be an experienced player? No, not at all. It´s either random, scum vote or hosts choice, none of those require a veteran as GF. | ||
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For what it´s worth, I say Orgolove is Scum | ||
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##Vote: orgolove | ||
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I´m fairly certain this makes Ilovejonn Town, but I can´t be sure. + Show Spoiler + On May 14 2011 13:42 sinani206 wrote: ilovejonn This is ilovejonn's list of votes: 1) kurumi 2) cthsaza 3) eternalmisfit 4) oroglove Hmm.... So far, 3 greens and a blue. Kurumi bandwagon day 1 and EternalMisfit bandwagon day 3, with no real explanations for either. He is also experienced, so he can't be forgiven for not explaining. Today, first he votes on my bandwagon, then after I defend myself and DropBear accepts the defense, he switches to himself, saying this: Why do you first roleclaim townie and then tell the town to lynch you for information? You want us to call a bluff, to believe that you are a Townie that will sacrifice himself for the town, and then leave you alive. But you aren't. You wanted us to leave you alone so that you could stay alive and the Mafia would keep their 2KP. Then, after Varpulis' post: You post this and switch back to oroglove: Because you realize that Varpulis is right, you switch to orgolove, to act more like a townie and act like you are trying to kill the scum. But you just use the same arguments against him that everyone else has. Another bandwagon. You realize that this is 3 band wagons you have joined, all without adding to the accusation? I know where my vote is going today. ##Vote: ilovejonn I noted something interesting at the end of that post (bold for emphasis). sinani206 says he was voting on orgolove to seem more town, but orgolove rarely come up in the top of most-scummy lists. I wonder if sinani206 accidentally outed a fellow scum. | ||
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On May 18 2011 12:21 chaos13 wrote: True. Very scummy. Also, this is the second time jaminz has vote switched at literally the last minute and made a townie lynch. | ||
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Ok, I will initiate recuperation-coma in a while. | ||
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I´ll try to do some analysis tomorrow, or I may just tunnel mindlessly, either way I´m kind of tired, and I don´t see much point to debating during the night. To anyone surviving the night; See you tomorrow! | ||
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If we lynch jaminz then we don´t get any information on scum. If we lynch jaminz then we can´t KNOW if orgolove is scum, since the voteswitching could just have been a way to throw us off. If we lynch orgolove then jaminz looks suspicious still. If we lynch orgolove then jaminz or imp are probably scum, and ilj is cleared. Because the main incriminating action of Jaminz does not connect him to others, he´s actually a worse lynch than orgolove, whose activity and actions give us much more to work with once he flips, no matter which way he flips. I´m not clearing jaminz, not at all, but right now I´m more interested in what orgolove is up to. Also I´m a helper; On May 20 2011 03:04 orgolove wrote: Yet ilovejonn still lives. Go ahead - lynch me, if that'll give a 1-1 exchange I'm all for it. But I'm still 100% convinced that ilovejonn is scum. Do I make sense? | ||
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Stop sheeping, just vote and get it over with, waiting until the end of the day to vote only help scum. | ||
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On May 21 2011 14:03 chaos13 wrote: Quoted for Truth. Orgolove, if you wanted for us to listen to you, then making a solid and reasonable argument is better than flaming. If we find scum, then it is in no way thanks to you and this behavior. Oh shut up. Your condescension won't get you anywhere. | ||
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On May 21 2011 16:35 orgolove wrote: You admitted yourself that your data wouldn´t have helped to find most of the scum, so why should we use it? I spent literally at least 10 hours or more compiling data and organizing it for town. It's your choice to not use it, and it's my choice to award you with an "I told you so" each time you fail. | ||
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6:2 night 6 6:1 day 7 5:1 night 7 5:0 day 8 - Town win 1 Mislynch: 6:2 night 6 5:2 day 7 4:2 night 7 - LYLO 4:1 day 8 3:1 night 8 3:0 day 9 - Town win 2 Mislynches 6:2 night 6 5:2 day 7 4:2 night 7 - LYLO 3:2 day 8 2:2 night 8 - Scum win If I´m correct, and I´m not 100% I am, we have one mislynch left, no more. There is the possibility that there´s a vigi left, but even that will only delay Scum a little, if at all. If the next lynch doesn´t hit scum or identify the rest of scum, then we´re done. | ||
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Lots of activity, and everyone postchecking me, all 250 posts. Go Town! | ||
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Om nom nom nom.... + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On May 27 2011 23:20 redFF wrote: My associates inform me that you are in possession of ma bucket! whats going on in this thre- | ||
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On May 30 2011 18:12 Mig wrote: Some of them were just confirming, so that I could push for them the next day. It´s was tough though, millers and GF means I couldn´t really be secure in my votes, and the more I post the more attention I get from scum. Er I mean you got 3 mafia out of 6 then ran unlucky hitting orgolove as miller. But still a great job. On May 30 2011 21:45 chaos13 wrote: I didn´t want to risk saving the GF, while I got a green read from them, I couldn´t be sure, and I didn´t want to look too sure of myself too, calling out orgolove all the time was bad enough for bluetells. You should have tried harder to stop us from lynching redtooth and jaminz, since they didn't bother to defend themselves. 3/6 mafia checked though, that's impressive. Scum, I have a question, why did you nightkill me? Did you take me out because I was a loud town or did you get a bluetell? | ||
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On May 31 2011 07:25 kitaman27 wrote: Got it. It´s not always a good idea to be considered town. Because you were a clean town. We were pretty surprised there was another dt around considering the amount of blues that had already popped. | ||
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