EPTExperiment Mafia II - Page 20
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Blue1
71 Posts
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Orange2
103 Posts
On May 04 2011 00:34 Blue1 wrote: Can we please start with orange? I want to get this game over with. Sure, I mean I can't wait to see you own up to your promise ##Unvote ##Vote: Orange | ||
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Protoss1
47 Posts
As previously discussed, the last game had 3 Medics so it wouldn't be surprising if we'd have 3 again. There's always the chance, however, that Pink saw there were 3 in the last game and is a smart player and planted "bread crumbs" to fall back on if/when needed. He also claimed to have protected me, which Blue already spoke for, so there's no real way to prove him wrong. I protected Orange2 on both N1 and N2. I propose we assume, for now, that everyone is telling the truth and our voting should go Zerg/Terran -> Orange. | ||
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Blue1
71 Posts
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Orange2
103 Posts
On May 04 2011 00:45 Blue1 wrote: I swear to you, I will. I'd like to point out that orange voting for himself is a dumb move if he is town. If mafia has a roleblocker we can still lose this if the mafia lands 2 lucky hits. If orange was town, he would never vote for himself. The only thing voting for himself acomplishes is to build town credibility, so he can appear to be helping and make you believe he is town. He is scum. Let's kill him. Keep telling yourself that, whatever eases the small nagging worry at the back of your mind, the part that knows you are wrong. I've had more than enough with people pulling bs like this every other game, this time I'm going to make sure people realize that their actions have consequences. Now get on with it, I'll go with whatever the town wants, if all three of you are telling the truth then it dosn't matter. | ||
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Zerg1
27 Posts
i find it hard to believe there are 3 medics. It might be possible if mafia had roleblockers but that would be very weird. | ||
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Blue1
71 Posts
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Orange2
103 Posts
On May 04 2011 00:57 Blue1 wrote: You are a lurking traitor who wishes to get killed by claiming the most claimed role by mafia. Your behaviour is so scummy it makes a lot of sense that you wish to get yourself lynched, as it would bring you closer to your win condition. Prove me wrong by voting Orange. Listen closely to the maniac now! if you dont do *exactly* what he says you are mafia or a traitor, hell if you play extremely pro-town then you are also mafia, just being clever by acting like a townie. Dont worry zerg, either you or terran are mafia, and you don't have a shot of winning anymore unless a claimed medic is lying ^_^ | ||
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Zerg1
27 Posts
On May 04 2011 00:57 Blue1 wrote: You are a lurking traitor who wishes to get killed by claiming the most claimed role by mafia. Your behaviour is so scummy it makes a lot of sense that you wish to get yourself lynched, as it would bring you closer to your win condition. Prove me wrong by voting Orange. I'll vote whomever I damn well please. | ||
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Blue1
71 Posts
If he was vet he would claim townie right now, so he would be still a potential target for mafia this niight. If he was mafia, he would again claim townie, because claiming vet is extremelly obvious for scum to claim, and he wouldn't risk getting lynched for it. Now, if he is a traitor, it makes sense for him to claim vet, hoping to get lynched for it today. He has been deliberatily scummy in all his posts and lurking heavilly, and that's exactly how a traitor behaves. Thus, he is traitor. | ||
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Zerg1
27 Posts
On May 04 2011 01:11 Blue1 wrote: Look closely at this vet claim. If he was vet he would claim townie right now, so he would be still a potential target for mafia this niight. If he was mafia, he would again claim townie, because claiming vet is extremelly obvious for scum to claim, and he wouldn't risk getting lynched for it. Now, if he is a traitor, it makes sense for him to claim vet, hoping to get lynched for it today. He has been deliberatily scummy in all his posts and lurking heavilly, and that's exactly how a traitor behaves. Thus, he is traitor. or maybe i'm actually a vet. Orange2 makes no sense voting for himself. I'm guessing he is traitor trying to protect his mafia pal. I'm willing to vote for orange2. | ||
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Orange2
103 Posts
On May 04 2011 01:17 Zerg1 wrote: or maybe i'm actually a vet. Orange2 makes no sense voting for himself. I'm guessing he is traitor trying to protect his mafia pal. I'm willing to vote for orange2. My only complaint is that everyone and their mother seems to have a role, watch terran claim vigi. Also I voted for myself out of exasperation, I'm at the giggly state right about now, if I do get lynched blue is going to look so bad it won't even be funny. (well it won't be funny for anyone but me and whoever the mafia is I mean), I'll say it now for the record, I am a vanilla townie, not a traitor, not mafia, not a medic, not a vigi, not a vet, my actions speak for me, I am town. That is all, let the game continue. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
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Terran1
15 Posts
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Blue1
71 Posts
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Protoss1
47 Posts
Orange: Do you believe there are 3 Medics, or do you think Pink or Blue are lying? I re-read Experiment 1's ending and as an outside reader it is not clear if there were actually 3 Medics or not. | ||
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Blue1
71 Posts
On May 01 2011 15:00 Orange2 wrote: Its night time, which means its list time! So, my medic/dt list for tonight Medic Protects blue1 -so he fucked up, but he was trying to scumhunt and his tunneling on protoss all indicate town to me, send a protection his way purple2 - another active poster, he has done nothing to make me think he is scum and has some posts that seem town to me. Protect him! orange2 - again, I'm heavaly biased but I have the certainty that this guy is town =P terran1 - he is suspicious of me, he is wrong, but that demonstrates a willingness to think and expose himself, I'm thinking he is town at the moment, if he isn't we should find out when he posts more Now before anyone asks you'll notice, now I personally buy his medic claim, however if he survives till tomorrow and there are still mafia left then we have to deal with the whole issue of is he town or was he lying again, if medics were notified of absorbed hits then I would argue that its a great idea to protect him, if we have a second medic and he protects protoss and protoss gets cleared if the second medic claims, then the two medics protect each other the next night and (assuming green was scum) we just lynch everyone else, proceed to ride that to victory. With no notifications and the knowledge that the previous experiment contained three medics any medic who protects protoss and sees only one hit get through tonight has to guess, was it my protect? or did someone else get protected and I have no proof of protosess' alignment? I'd rather we not have to deal with that, too much guessing and wifom that can only end up hurting the town. Sorry protoss but I see you as a write off, on the bright side that makes you one less suspect, on the not so bright side we lose a medic and a town player, assuming you are telling the truth. If we knew we had three medics 100% then I would actually be ok with a protect on protoss, but we cannot know that either, and the possibility of mafia not shooting to get a "confirmed" townie is enough to worry me. DT List yellow1- has a good number of posts yet not a single one seems memorable to me, looks like a lurking scum pink2 - I think he is scum, no real contribution outside of the "plan" and a nice omgus when under pressure, check this scum and dont be surprised if he returns red. Hell I think a vigi shot would be well aimed if it were fired here. orange2 - Active players need to be checked, I'm active so check me zerg1 - active lurker, shows up with some posts and vanishes again, mafia suspect. On DTs, if you find mafia we need you to claim. Again checking protoss is a waste of a check mafia have to hit him tonight, if you want to check him however he might make tomorrow easier if mafia decide not to hit him/he is actually mafia. That is all, discuss! Bolded part. | ||
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Orange2
103 Posts
On May 04 2011 05:15 Protoss1 wrote: Blue's huge argument against Orange is pretty convincing but I still do not believe Orange is scum. He is the only player this game I have not gotten the scum vibe from until Blue's post. Blue is really passionate about being correct, though, so at the moment... I'm stumped. Orange: Do you believe there are 3 Medics, or do you think Pink or Blue are lying? I re-read Experiment 1's ending and as an outside reader it is not clear if there were actually 3 Medics or not. I buy blue's claim, I don't think he would be willing to lose his tl account if he knew I was not mafia, which if he were he would know, and I buy yours, I'm not 100% sold on pink, because I thought he was scum earlier and to an extent I still do. The thing is it dosn't matter, if pink is lying you still have the game solved. Assuming no roleblockers, say you lynch me today, pink, protoss and you circle protect, if any of you die you know the person claiming to protect him lied, so you lynch that person, gg. If no one in the medic circle dies you reach four players with 1 scum and 3 medics, lynch the scum, gg. If you lynch him and you dont win, it means a medic was lying, you and blue protect each other gg. The only case where this dosn't hold is if there is a roleblocker, which fucks this plan over sideways. If we assume there is a roleblocker then we need to get the lynch right in the next two lynches. | ||
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Blue1
71 Posts
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Orange2
103 Posts
On May 04 2011 05:31 Blue1 wrote: hey orange, how many roleblockers did they have on experiment 1? No idea actually, none I think, but I don't honestly remember. | ||
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