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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On May 12 2011 06:18 chaoser wrote: how is leaving solving anything? You're being as much of a 8th grader by just leaving Let's just say I'll not be playing for a while until people get their collective shit sorted out. I don't care to watch as many people I have genuinely grown to like have a pissing contest over something that never should have happened. My life has enough drama in it atm. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
Bumatlarge has a point. The purpose of Mafia is to have fun. People are making such a big deal over this. Personally, the fact that 3 vets joined on a smurf acount would only make the game more fun to me. Mafia is about challenge and improving your own skills, it's not about proving you are the best mafia player. I fail to see how having three people under a smurf acount would detract from the fun of other players. This should only make the game more interesting. | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
On May 12 2011 06:42 bumatlarge wrote: Not gonna lie, I poke for drama regardless of the consequences, but seeing people leave over it is kinda upsetting. Remember the the purpose of mafia is to have fun That is why I'm leaving. I am not 'threatening to leave to get you guys to change things', I am leaving. I think I told either BC or coag yesterday that I joined mafia to have fun, and while I have had some fun because of it, I've had more drama than fun. It just isn't worth it to me anymore. I like you guys and I'll probably continue lurking/making bad jokes in the irc channel. This isn't a power play or anything, I'm a 3 game newbie, I don't expect to change things. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On May 12 2011 06:18 chaoser wrote: how is leaving solving anything? You're being as much of a 8th grader by just leaving Just reading this, after a few months away....And I have one question for you: Coag's ban sits well with you? On May 12 2011 06:57 sandroba wrote: I know here is not my place, but I would like to drop my 2 cents as well. Bumatlarge has a point. The purpose of Mafia is to have fun. People are making such a big deal over this. Personally, the fact that 3 vets joined on a smurf acount would only make the game more fun to me. Mafia is about challenge and improving your own skills, it's not about proving you are the best mafia player. I fail to see how having three people under a smurf acount would detract from the fun of other players. This should only make the game more interesting. I'm fond of games being fair. 3 players time (I guess Ver doesn't count, cuz he only contributed, what? 40 Hours in 2 days worth of in game time....so 40 hours out of 144 hours? 5/18 total time....Seems like a lot...) Anyway, I wasn't affected by it, but I don't want to see people quit over this BS. And Qatol, that circle jerk thing...really...What was it? BC was the only person I found reasonable about it. The only thing I was thinking reading this entire thing, what the rest of TL Mafia should of been thinking, "What would all of these vets, I just spared, have decided and voted (ban/noban/warning) if I had L, Bill, and/or Showtime! posting on my account with me?" Do you think they would of spared you? -__- | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On May 12 2011 10:33 ~OpZ~ wrote: Just reading this, after a few months away....And I have one question for you: Coag's ban sits well with you? I'm fond of games being fair. 3 players time (I guess Ver doesn't count, cuz he only contributed, what? 40 Hours in 2 days worth of in game time....so 40 hours out of 144 hours? 5/18 total time....Seems like a lot...) Anyway, I wasn't affected by it, but I don't want to see people quit over this BS. And Qatol, that circle jerk thing...really...What was it? BC was the only person I found reasonable about it. The only thing I was thinking reading this entire thing, what the rest of TL Mafia should of been thinking, "What would all of these vets, I just spared, have decided and voted (ban/noban/warning) if I had L, Bill, and/or Showtime! posting on my account with me?" Do you think they would of spared you? -__- Excuse me? I didn't weigh in on this. I don't believe you even know my opinion. I compiled the opinion of the majority. Do NOT act like I have done something wrong here. And all 3 players you mentioned are on the ban list (2 are permabanned), so your hypothetical situation isn't even close to similar. EDIT: I completely misunderstood what he was saying. I apologize for reacting like that Here is my real reply to this: The "circle jerk" thing was because the group coag is accusing of running the forum doesn't get their way all the time. It has even happened with respect to him. He's just mad because that didn't happen this time. Also, I find the term "circle jerking" to be quite vulgar and offensive. Also, if you did something like that, you might not get found out in the first game you did it, but you would eventually. Flamewheel has a banling run IP checks on everyone signed up for a game every now and then. I do not think that this community would have spared me for getting those players to play with me, but only because I'm helping banned players get around their bans. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On May 12 2011 11:17 Qatol wrote: Excuse me? I didn't weigh in on this. I don't believe you even know my opinion. I compiled the opinion of the majority. Do NOT act like I have done something wrong here. And all 3 players you mentioned are on the ban list (2 are permabanned), so your hypothetical situation isn't even close to similar. Plz do not get cross, and tell me how to act good sir. I meant no disrespect to you, and I will PM you about this. I think you misunderstood my post, and I think I need to work on my writing. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On May 13 2011 06:59 ~OpZ~ wrote: Plz do not get cross, and tell me how to act good sir. I meant no disrespect to you, and I will PM you about this. I think you misunderstood my post, and I think I need to work on my writing. I did misunderstand and I apologize for overreacting. Hopefully everyone can just put this thread behind us and we can get back to playing the game. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
I suspect Qatol will rage even more so I´ll stop here. I´ve said what I wanted to say and if people don´t want to listen then I won´t try to change that. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On May 13 2011 08:26 Forumite wrote: To me, the problem isn´t that Flamewheel, Incog and Ver got off with only a warning, I can accept that, the problem I have is that Flamewheel became second in command over TL-mafia. From having 30% of people speaking up want to ban him, he got a role that Qatol himself emphasized require someone whom the whole forum respect. It doesn´t feel like a punishment, more like a reward. There wasn´t a majority to ban him, so that matter was dropped, forgotten. This will probably not affect the game at all, FW will do well, but it´s still not quite right to me. I suspect Qatol will rage even more so I´ll stop here. I´ve said what I wanted to say and if people don´t want to listen then I won´t try to change that. No I'm not angry. I understand where you're coming from. This was a major concern of mine when nominating him for that position. This was why I asked people about their opinions on him before he got that. However, the responses were overwhelmingly positive. There were only 2 people who spoke up against him when I brought it up and a huge amount of support for him. If you still feel uncomfortable about him handling things, I can handle any ban discussion involving you (knock on wood) if you wish. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4396 Posts
I was strongly for Incog and Ver getting bans but as Qatol has said, the majority decision was not to ban them. I disagree, but this was the majority decision. Coag, PYP Insane is Ver's game. Whether you like it or not, whether it is fair or not, it is Ver's game. He hasn't been banned, neither has Incognito, neither has Flamewheel. He doesn't break the ban list by allowing them and he isn't prevented from making a game. On May 04 2011 03:27 Ver wrote: Signups: This game is open to anyone. Priority is given to some players over others. There is not currently a set player limit, I will see how the signups go and judge from there. If you wish, specify what size of game you would prefer. Game-specific rules: Modkills: This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. Priority is given to some players over others. He, as host, reserves the right to accept or reject players. Is it unfair? In my opinion, yes it is unfair that Coag is being prevented from playing. But Ver is allowed to do it as host. Arguing that Coag has been banned for three games is incorrect, Ver is choosing not to allow him. They are different things. Coag I think you should drop this and just play in the next game, one which will not be hosted by Ver. You are doing good things by being a coach in XXXIX, if you drop this threat to bring in the TL mods you will gain a lot of respect from a lot of people. You are angry and upset about being singled out. This is completely understandable, but I say this: move on. I wanted you banned much much longer than a single game for XXXVIII. I wanted Incog, flamewheel and Ver banned as well. None of this happened. I moved on and am doing my best in XXXIX. Move on. As for Flamewheel replacing Incognito as ban list moderator, Flamewheel provided an unqualified apology for his actions. Incognito on the other hand denied any responsibility and ragequit the forum. I think FW for Incog is a pretty good trade. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
Starting now. Let this thread die. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4396 Posts
On May 13 2011 14:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Yeah this thread has been going on long enough, people have had more their fare share. However I feel like it would be REALLY bad to ask a mod to close this so instead I propose that we as a community simply stop posting here. Starting now. Let this thread die. We never had that grudgematch, did we Meapak  ? | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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DropBear
Australia4396 Posts
Argue this how you like, the Coagulation ban and the Protactinium issue are inextricably linked. The actions of the Protact trio severely pissed off Coagulation and this anger led to his poor behaviour and hence his ban. He deserved the ban, but their actions contributed to it. I want to point this out: On April 26 2011 13:05 BrownBear wrote: All 3 have also apologized to me personally, so the "they don't show remorse" argument doesn't really hold water as much anymore. None of them were intentionally trying to break the game. They can apologise to BrownBear but not to the players? This is an admittance of fault. Why can't they stand up and give this to everyone? The community has decided not to ban them and that's fair enough but something needs to happen. THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY FOR THIS TO BE RESOLVED. INCOGNITO AND VER NEED TO MAKE A PUBLIC APOLOGY IN THIS THREAD TO ALL THE PLAYERS INVOLVED. If they do this, the following things happen. 1. Coagulation no longer feels that he has been made the sole scapegoat of XXXVIII. Hopefully this will mollify him to some extent. 2. Incognito and Ver regain some of the respect lost out of this affair. 3. Qatol no longer has to deal with his conflict of interest. 4. Jackal and LemonWalrus feel more comfortable about staying on. 5. Everyone playing gets some sort of closure. 6. We don't need to bring the TL mods in and possibly bomb the whole forum. The two of you are veterans and important figures of this forum. Time to stand up and be accountable. Everyone wins if you do this, including yourselves. Apologise to all the players publically, not just the host, Apologise to the mafia team. Apologise to Coagulation personally. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On May 13 2011 18:02 DropBear wrote: 6. We don't need to bring the TL mods in and possibly bomb the whole forum. Where the *hell* did this come from? No one is bringing in the mods, no one is bombing the whole forum. I thought this situation was resolved already and we as a community had decided to move on? A mistake was made, it was somewhat rectified, theres no need to drag this on any further as far as I am concerned. Move on now, the only thing that continuing to push this will cause is more drama, and as you well know the mafia forums already have enough of that as it is. Flamewheel apologized. Let it rest. Let this topic die, its not going anywhere, at best you are going to get a token apology that means nothing. Words are simply words, an apology that is not sincerely meant is a worthless token. Dont fight for something worthless, its not worth the struggle. Let it die, nothing good can come of perusing this topic any more. People can feel free to disagree with me on this one, but as I see it this is beating a dead horse. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4396 Posts
This hasn't been resolved at all. The PYP Insane game has brought it up again. Lemon and Jackal are talking about quitting. And I disagree that an apology would be token words. | ||
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