Sleeper Cell Mafia

On April 25 2011 07:38 GMarshal wrote:


Bread-crumbing already huh? LYNCH HIM!

Too bad I noticed "I got a strange role" is a five word phrase! trying to communicate with your buddies...

##Vote: tnkted

On April 25 2011 07:47 tnkted wrote:


It makes perfect sense once you see the role. I might actually claim pretty early this game. Debating the merits of it.

On April 25 2011 12:27 GGQ wrote:


In my experience, a short game means a mafia sweep with no losses while a longer game means at least a few mafia get killed. So I don't think the mafia wants the game to go on as long as possible at all.

On April 25 2011 22:43 Ace wrote:


Even if you double checked someone and got "Incomplete Analysis" it's a waste of time. If you get it once and you checked the person because you assumed they were scum it's better to come out with it and play the odds that they are CL and not that you hit the 25% chance you rolled the wrong result.

Also there may be other roles not listed in the OP that have this same effect. Whether they are good or bad you won't know so you could end up wasting another day of your check to get you no further than your first check. Just roll with the odds on this one.

On April 25 2011 22:39 GMarshal wrote:
I like that question, I'll take the first shot at answering it.

Now, I'm assuming one person is receiving the message.

1.) Ace- "I'm the pardoner from XXXVIII": with a veteran player like Ace I would be trying to get as much information to him as possible, information is power and even with only a little bit of it I'm sure he could get stuff done

2.) Mr. Wiggles - " mafia will post 'serial killer' " or some other breadcrumb that would allow me to reveal myself to him and then the rest of the team. I might think of a more clever breadcrumb than that, and if it were clever enough I might use it for ace instead.

3.) why- same as for wiggles, as a veteran player both of them are people I could count on to work it into their regular posts without worrying too much about them messing up.

On April 25 2011 22:47 GMarshal wrote:


I think the DT should just push for a lynch on the target 75% chance of having the cell leader is worth the gamble of accidentally getting a town player lynched, IMO. Sure it might suck for the town player getting the shit end of the stick, but hey, we die for the greater glory and all that.

I also think this is usless discussion that allows scum to blend in, I'm sure the mafia is content to debate this to death, rather than worrying about us sabotaging their cutesy plans. Still I want to see what you guys awnser to Ace's question

On April 26 2011 05:36 GMarshal wrote:
God dammit, I figured out what sand was getting at. He is right, it can be done, the whole mafia team can be informed of who the other members are, in my method they won't find out who the GF is but they *will* know who the entire team is. I *think* its doable in five words too, assuming the team consists of five members or less.

Assume that by night 3 the whole mafia team will be aware of the other members are.

Time to work on lynching people I guess. Mr.Wiggles, have you figured out why my vote is on you yet?

On April 26 2011 07:52 Mr. Wiggles wrote:


Also, keep in mind there's a 20 character limit, that's why I'm curious as to how you would let them know the entirety of the team in one message. Don't tell me though, in case the GF doesn't know either. :p

On April 26 2011 08:06 Ace wrote:
Happy Birthday Wiggles.

Impervious can you list your 3 players?

On April 25 2011 22:46 Impervious wrote:

Nothing against you, but I haven't played or checked out a game where why has played. I would have put you in the 3rd spot.

On April 26 2011 08:14 Kenpachi wrote:
oh ya. do you guys think its funny how Mafia may vote the most protown role to kill which may force Sleeper Cell People to not contribute as much?

On April 26 2011 21:09 Jackal58 wrote:
Apparently everybody has gone to sleep.

On April 27 2011 02:40 Ace wrote:


what is he suspicious of? Saying he might role claim? That isn't a suspicious action at all. You guys are looking for things that aren't there.

If someone says hey I have a pretty good role/strange role/interesting role and I might claim then show me how that is scummy behavior.

On April 27 2011 02:43 tnkted wrote:


It's not specified in the OP. Now can we please stop talking about this? I'll claim day2 if you people are seriously so freaked out. Yes, we're freaked out over it. Especially since I'm not aware of any non-listed roles at the moment. And that's not a good thing, because its also possible that the Reds have unlisted roles/abilities as well..... So I'd like to find out one way or another.

And yes, zork, it should be extremely obvious what I am and why I'm acting this way. NO MORE CLUES.

You guys are spelling my name wrong btw, its TNK not TDK lol.

Now, as for my vote: it's Impervious

He's had almost nothing but one liners.











Oneliners. Every time. Then he has this gem, reiterating an excuse already given by several people for inactivity: Yes, because oneliners are definitely a scumtell.....


Several other people had brought this excuse up already. Wiggles, for example. Trying to blend in? Isnt it better to claim this shit ahead of time, rather than claim it after the fact? Or would you rather discover my behavior changes after a couple of days, and then I claim both the move and the exams as excuses for it?

If it would have been better to claim it after the fact, then I guess I'll do that next time I play a game of Mafia.

Then we get an actual post of substance:


Now, I agree with not focusing on breadcrumbing this game, because its almost impossible for us to catch scum at it. But this post talks about doublechecking people. Now this isn't a scumtell in and of itself, but what is interesting is that he steals the entire content of his post from two other players: I thought both were important things to do.

If we're going to try to outsmart the people with red roles, then we need to catch them before their plan (whatever it is) is fully formed..... By giving away the methods we'd expect them to use, they'll know what to avoid doing..... Frankly, it was really dumb to go so in-depth on that subject.

And making sure the DT knows what he should be doing is always going to be a good thing. I'm not sure if what you initially said was a major blunder, and you're simply trying to cover it up, or if you genuinely have a non-disclosed role. Part of me wants to actually lynch you tonight, to confirm it either way (seeing as you'll probably be a top target for the mafia). Of course, this could bite us in the ass if you really do have a useful role for the town. And I don't want to waste a check on you to find out either way.

First, Sandroba saying "talking breadcrumbs is a waste of time."


Then vain suggesting doublechecks.


Convinced? I am, at least enough for a day1 lynch.

#vote Impervious

On April 27 2011 03:01 Ace wrote:





The OP makes it quite clear that the possibility exists.

Still waiting on more people to post. Really need more activity before I reveal my plan.

On April 27 2011 03:17 Zorkmid wrote:
Strategy to make the DTs waste checks on you perhaps?

On April 27 2011 10:56 Zorkmid wrote:


I think there's another thread you need to vote in.

On April 27 2011 22:49 GMarshal wrote:
I realize its night time, but that is no reason to shut up and stop discussion, we have all of twenty four hours to start deciding things like lynches and blue direction. For the sake of discussion I am going to post a list of people I think need DT checks, vigi shots and medic protects.

DT Checks

Jackal58 - Ace thinks Jackal has been acting scummy, for this reason alone I think a dt should take a look at jackal, the results would be interesting either way

Mr. Wiggles - I already pointed out that I am suspicious of him, it would be nice to know definitely, as I know wiggles has the potential to contribute to the town if he is town aligned, if he is not he is very good about scooting along with large vacuous posts

GMarshal - DTs should aways check the most vocal players. I consider myself a vocal player, therefore I should be checked

Ace - its Ace, as policy he should be checked. Also I find his retraction of the vote on jackal to be unexpected, from seeing previous games with Ace I would have expected him to stick to his guns with the lynch.

Impervious- he has many posts, yet oddly enough, not a single one of them stuck in my mind, to me this means his posts have been empty enough to not be memorable, I think that merits a check

Vigilante Shots - now its *really* debated whether it is best for vigilantes to shoot night one or not, if the vigi is not in imminent danger and is not confident on his mafia kill I belive in saving the shot for later, however some people subscribe to using it for people they would lynch on policy, e.g. liars, or lurkers. If a vigi *had* to fire tonight I would think the best shot would be at an inactive who might be lurking scum. That is the gist of my suggestions on here

Eiii- Lurking, pops up to defend himself, resumes lurking, not a town asset at the moment, so we can do without him

GGQ- more of the same deal with Eiii, lurking inactively, hasn't really weighed in on anything.

why- with a grand total of four posts all he has done is attack jackal, I dont think he is contributing and we can do without him

Vain- I see every one of his posts as either a rehash of old ideas or a non-contribution

darm- because I think it would be hilarious to have him die day one this game too (don't actually shoot him for that, it was a joke...)

Medic Protects

GMarshal- I dont want to die, please dont let me die, I'll go through mafia withdrawal again and it wont be pretty

Ace- he is Ace, high profile target and all that, I want him around in the late game.

Jackal (maybe) - he is a great endgame player, and I wouldn't mind having him around to scum-hunt in the late game, I don't know how likely it is he will be targeted though.

other than that I don't know who scum might go after to be honest, as they risk hitting one of their own whatever they choose to do

Alright, so take a gander and debate my list up and down, who did I forget to include ? Who did I include who shouldn't be there?

On April 29 2011 00:45 GGQ wrote:
The simple fact that Ace didn't die is suspicious enough.

On April 30 2011 09:50 VarpuliS wrote:

Somebody posted that statistic a while ago. People need to stop using statistics is evidence. They can only get us so far.

Analytical reasoning > statistical reasoning in a game of mafia, imo.

On April 29 2011 11:31 Impervious wrote:
Statistically, it's a far better choice to lynch anyone who got "insufficient analysis" than to try to check them again.

I say we go for it. Right now. Maybe get Ace tomorrow?

Although, bum, I don't like how you're already revealing yourself..... I don't think you were in any danger yet, so it seems unnecessary at this point.

On April 30 2011 00:53 Impervious wrote:
Ok, for those of you who are skeptical of bum, what do you think about lynching him to prove it, to satisfy your curiosity?

If he really is the DT, his list and reasoning seems pretty solid, and I haven't seen any better ideas.....

On April 30 2011 09:08 Impervious wrote:
Guys, if bum is in fact the analyst, while there is only a ~25% chance that he's actually the cell leader, there is a ~50% chance of getting a red. That is a pretty damn good chance at the moment.

While it is stupid (imo) that bum claimed already, if he is the DT, he'll be a high priority target for the mafia, so they'll take him out at night.

I don't see the reasoning for a red claiming as DT. It seems like such a dumb move. It instantly paints a giant target on them when he's still alive the next day. And if the mafia don't eliminate him tonight, then they risk him actually finding a mafia (assuming that Jackal is green).

And, of course, if he's green, it could be an interesting play, if you really had a strong read on someone.

I don't think it's a good idea to lynch him. Voting for someone other than Jackal, based on some kind of analysis, would be fine if you don't believe bum, but lynching him is really fucking dumb right now.

On May 02 2011 02:56 Ace wrote:
why are you playing the result? You sure seemed convinced he was a DT before he popped.



Oh my bad, I guess posts like this don't mean you believe bum but that everyone else is stupid.

On May 03 2011 03:19 Jackal58 wrote:

No change. I'm reverting to the tunneling aggressive asshole. You're fucking scum.
Bums check is not a 50/50 proposition. It's 75% town 25% scum. Only scum use scummy numbers
Those messages are bullshit and you know it scummy.
I switched because I wasn't getting lynched due to bums incompetence. Not my problem scummy.

On May 03 2011 03:28 Ace wrote:


I was actually waiting to see if something else happened as I recognized we're pretty much "stuck" here if we screw this up. Still think our best bet is to cut dead weight and see how the night ends up.

On May 03 2011 05:11 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Well I know I'm town, so if you're going by the fact that scum is alerting scum still, then that makes Impervious red. I also wouldn't count out the fact that Ace could be inventing the messages if he were Scum just to lead town in the wrong direction. I'm looking at it both ways.

If Ace is town:

The messages are true
There was a message about a Canadian
If scum is alerting scum of each others identities, then one of me or Impervious are red, meaning Impervious is Red.
It could also be that scum want someone to push to lynch or kill either me or Impervious as well, when it says "Watch", not just "He's", meaning in that case, we're probably both green.

If Ace is scum:

The messages are most likely false
Scum killed GGQ
Ace fakes a message referencing the already dead GGQ, and then makes one about Canadians.
Ace knows who the rest of his scum team are, and knows neither Impervious nor myself are red.
He can now use that to push either of our lynches.

That's why I'm not jumping on Impervious either. Ace said he wants to lynch a lurker, but there's not many left. The easiest candidate would be BB, and after that one of you/San/Jackal/Eiii.

Lynching San would tell us Ace's alignment, but I'm not sure if we can sacrifice a town player if he's not scum. In that case, Ace is pretty much town, but then we will have killed one of our own, and Ace will most likely die at night. We can lynch Jackal based on the 50% probability that he's red, but we also have to keep in mind that there was RNG. BB replaced darm, who looked scummy, but was barely participating in the thread, so it's hard to get a complete alignment from his words and actions. BB also still hasn't had a chance to say anything yet. I haven't noticed much of Eiii, but I'm going to have to go reread all his posts. If I remember correctly, he wasn't a supporter of the bum lynch. Then there's yourself. you've been lurking pretty hard for a major part of the game, and now claim a bullet-proof, self-aware miller role. This doesn't absolve you from suspicion in my eyes, because that seems like a very easy thing to claim for scum, and explains why you would ever show up red to DT checks if that came up.

On May 03 2011 07:28 Ace wrote:


The message could mean that a Canadian is Scum, to shoot a Canadian player, to watch what they post in the thread...who knows? Wiggles seems like the most Pro-town player in the game so far so I doubt anyone voting for him.

On May 04 2011 08:05 Jackal58 wrote:
The only way you can state that Ace won't die tonight is if you're scum and you know Ace is scum That also makes sandroba scum.

If you think for a second that scum would let a real DT live through the night you're insane. But no. It's "Neither Ace nor sandroba will die tonight" Your words not mine. It's Sandroba,Ace and you the Canadian.

On May 04 2011 10:39 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Impervious, why would you give scum a guide on who would not give town information by dying before scum has sent in their kill?

On May 04 2011 13:06 Ace wrote:
By the way I didn't get any messages last night.

On May 04 2011 13:29 Impervious wrote:

Why? So we could know what to expect for today.

On May 04 2011 13:42 Impervious wrote:

I need to expand on this.

So far, the mafia seems to have done a pretty good job with their hits. All I did was point out what was most likely to happen. And it leaves me with the following conclusion (thank you for actually hitting him btw mafia)

There's 4 town left. I'm convinced now that Ace and sandroba are blues. I'm green. That leaves 1 other townie who I'm not too sure of.

With how Jackal has played (especially his hostile and not very well thought out replies), I'm 100% convinced he's scum. Quite possibly GF. darmousseh/BrownBear has lurked hardocre, and jumped on the bandwagon against town players pretty easily, so I'm fairly certain that he's also red. This leaves 1 mafia I'm not too sure of.

The two players left are Wiggles and Eiii. Of the two, Wiggles seems to be most pro-town, so that would make Eiii the last mafia, by default.

So, my scum list at the moment is Jackal (probably GF), Eiii, and BrownBear.

On May 05 2011 07:48 Eiii wrote:
Jackal is getting a lot of heat, but I'm pretty convinced he's town-- his play seems similar/identical to how he played in insane 2.

Impervious/Ace are the two active players I think are most suspicious-- I've said why I think ace could be red before, and now looking back on things impervious has moved from thinking ace was red day 1 to completely believing his claim to saying that they 'need to work together'. Ace being kind of sketchy and impervious doing a 180 recently on him smells a lot to me like a CL/sleeper relationship.

obviously bb is suspicious because he's still lurking and not doing anything and that sucks

On May 06 2011 13:31 Ace wrote:
@Impervious: You were so close a few times. When bum claimed and you believed him I was like "damn, guess I actually have to work to get this bastard DT lynched"

On May 06 2011 13:59 Jackal58 wrote:

I raged. I was trying my damnedest to get off of your hook and he comes in and posts that shit.

Why didn't you guys ever lynch me?

On May 06 2011 14:56 Jackal58 wrote:

I had no idea. Ace turned my head into mush. I'm just disappointed nobody believed my Ace's role is bullshit claim. I think I had Impervious looking at it for a bit. But in the end everybody chose to believe Ace's unbelievable claim.
I knew it was a bullshit claim and I was scum.

On May 07 2011 06:45 Jackal58 wrote:

I had the advantage of knowing I voted to kill GGQ (sorry dude) and when he came up dead I knew it wasn't a coincidence. That's when I began to realize I was being left in the dark on purpose.