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On May 02 2011 05:26 Ace wrote:
Did I claim Vigilante?
You're spewing so much bullshit you're forgetting what bullshit you already spread.
On May 01 2011 13:15 Ace wrote:
Actually let me post now so I dont have to deal with Impervious trying to make up stuff from my posts:
Last night I shot GGQ and I know my bullet went through because I didn't get a message saying my hit failed.
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On May 02 2011 05:32 Ace wrote:
I didn't role claim Vigi. I said Undercover Agent. Learn to read thanks.
And Bill Clinton never had sexual relations with that woman.
Call it whatever you want to. I don't care. You're claiming you have a role that allows you to be judge jury and executioner. I call bull shit.
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On May 02 2011 05:39 Ace wrote:
*yawn*
You need a dirt nap.
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Yes I'm happy GGQ died. But I don't believe for one second Ace was responsible.
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On May 02 2011 05:58 Impervious wrote:
Do you believe sandroba's claim of being hit as a veteran? Because, if so, Ace's claim makes sense.
Either you think that sandroba and Ace are both mafia, or you think neither are at this point. I am leaning towards "neither".
No I don't believe him either. Simple scenario. CL knows who his agents are. He knows who they vote for. They voted for GGQ. Ace sends a simple message. Claim vet. He pulls this bs out of his ass. Boom 2 scum confirmed townies.
The role he is claiming is BS. It's imba out the wazoo.
Hi. You're intelligence agent. You can intercept messages. Oh and here have a gun. Bull shit.
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That's better than a bus driver on hallucinogens tnkted.
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The fact that I'm calling Ace's to good to be true claim bullshit doesn't make me scum. The fact that you're buying it makes me question if you still believe in the Easter bunny.
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I think tnkted may have learned a lot from Kavs use of prefabricated role claiming in Insane II
I don't know where I'm at with him yet.
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Don't forget the breadcrumbs.
ARRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!
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On May 02 2011 13:58 sandroba wrote:I'm posting this drunk but I hope it makes sense. Tomorrow I'll post a more thourough analysis if needed. I previously stated taht I believed jackal to be town but after seen ace's LOL messages I am convinced taht he's mafia. Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 21:46 Jackal58 wrote:On April 25 2011 21:41 sandroba wrote:
I think this discussion about breadcrumbs is not productive at all, specially if you reveal your strategy before you put it in practice. Doing what you are suggesting is going to make scumhunting more difficult imo. Also I don't think that's the way mafia is going to identify each other, as there are several other more obvious ways I can think of. Please share. Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 23:14 Jackal58 wrote:On April 25 2011 22:58 sandroba wrote:On April 25 2011 22:54 Ace wrote:On April 25 2011 22:46 sandroba wrote:
Ace, I trust your analysis and think you are a smart player, but I don't like the idea of feeding ideas to the cell leader. I don't see how this can be helpful for town as I can think of other methods of comunicating with the sleeper agents that do not involve using the posts in this thread. Well you can keep those methods to yourself since you don't seem intent on sharing. What I'm doing here is something else. Guess you'll just have to read into it a bit more. I'm going to post my three people without the msg then. Ace, GM, Mr. Wiggles. I would inform them of all other mafia players so they can operate normally without the fear of mislynching one of the other agents. Well thanks for that. And how would you transmit this information? You said you can do so without posting anything in the thread. I'm curious how that mechanic would work. You can't send names. You can only contact 1 at a time. You have 5 words or 20 characters/msg. Please don't answer that. God forbid the cell leader gets his hands on super secret stealth communications abilities. Please stop posting pointless "I would do something but I'm not telling you what it is" posts. This thread is for discussion. If you don't feel you can discuss something don't mention it. You're beginning to look a lot like somebody that wants to post a lot of useless stuff just to appear to be contributing. I thought at first he was too careless and naive to be mafia, but after seen the messages from ace and the fact that he came back as "insuficient information" from bum's check, I believe him to be the cell leader. Those messages are so bad it makes sense that jackal is scum. I've read other games and his meta is definitively diferent than when he was town so I believe he is scum. Jackal if you realy are cell leader, I must say you should be ashamed of yourself because those messages are LOL.
I am not the cell leader. I am not scum. Those messages are pure fabrication by Ace.
I also resent the implication that I'm stupid. "Herp derp. Stoopid messages Jackal must be the cell leader derp"
You're scum. I know it. You know it. Ace knows it. Claiming Vig/vet tandem is as old as this game is. They're both one and done roles that require no further actions from you guys because you would have none. So easy peasy claims to make.
If Ace was vig/sooper spy or whatever he wants to call it he would have claimed his shot moments before the day post went up. Anything after that is suspect. You popping up with a vet claim right after his sooper spy claim is just as bogus. You two are scum.
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On May 02 2011 23:15 Ace wrote:
soooooo what are we doing today?
Hopefully lynching you.
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On May 03 2011 01:36 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 23:25 Jackal58 wrote:On May 02 2011 13:58 sandroba wrote:I'm posting this drunk but I hope it makes sense. Tomorrow I'll post a more thourough analysis if needed. I previously stated taht I believed jackal to be town but after seen ace's LOL messages I am convinced taht he's mafia. On April 25 2011 21:46 Jackal58 wrote:On April 25 2011 21:41 sandroba wrote:
I think this discussion about breadcrumbs is not productive at all, specially if you reveal your strategy before you put it in practice. Doing what you are suggesting is going to make scumhunting more difficult imo. Also I don't think that's the way mafia is going to identify each other, as there are several other more obvious ways I can think of. Please share. On April 25 2011 23:14 Jackal58 wrote:On April 25 2011 22:58 sandroba wrote:On April 25 2011 22:54 Ace wrote:On April 25 2011 22:46 sandroba wrote:
Ace, I trust your analysis and think you are a smart player, but I don't like the idea of feeding ideas to the cell leader. I don't see how this can be helpful for town as I can think of other methods of comunicating with the sleeper agents that do not involve using the posts in this thread. Well you can keep those methods to yourself since you don't seem intent on sharing. What I'm doing here is something else. Guess you'll just have to read into it a bit more. I'm going to post my three people without the msg then. Ace, GM, Mr. Wiggles. I would inform them of all other mafia players so they can operate normally without the fear of mislynching one of the other agents. Well thanks for that. And how would you transmit this information? You said you can do so without posting anything in the thread. I'm curious how that mechanic would work. You can't send names. You can only contact 1 at a time. You have 5 words or 20 characters/msg. Please don't answer that. God forbid the cell leader gets his hands on super secret stealth communications abilities. Please stop posting pointless "I would do something but I'm not telling you what it is" posts. This thread is for discussion. If you don't feel you can discuss something don't mention it. You're beginning to look a lot like somebody that wants to post a lot of useless stuff just to appear to be contributing. I thought at first he was too careless and naive to be mafia, but after seen the messages from ace and the fact that he came back as "insuficient information" from bum's check, I believe him to be the cell leader. Those messages are so bad it makes sense that jackal is scum. I've read other games and his meta is definitively diferent than when he was town so I believe he is scum. Jackal if you realy are cell leader, I must say you should be ashamed of yourself because those messages are LOL. I am not the cell leader. I am not scum. Those messages are pure fabrication by Ace. I also resent the implication that I'm stupid. "Herp derp. Stoopid messages Jackal must be the cell leader derp" You're scum. I know it. You know it. Ace knows it. Claiming Vig/vet tandem is as old as this game is. They're both one and done roles that require no further actions from you guys because you would have none. So easy peasy claims to make. If Ace was vig/sooper spy or whatever he wants to call it he would have claimed his shot moments before the day post went up. Anything after that is suspect. You popping up with a vet claim right after his sooper spy claim is just as bogus. You two are scum. I've read my post yesterday and I realise I was very out of line and I apologize. I didn't mean you are stupid, but maybe you were not so experienced playing on the mafia side. I've read some of your previous games and your meta is definitively different form when you were town. Also, the fact that you were pushing me hard to reveal info helpful to the cell leader makes sense if you are scum. Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 00:26 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I want Sandroba to post his full role. At the moment, I'm not sure if I believe him or not, because it seems pretty weird for several reasons. Firstly, why did scum hit him? He was lurking so hard on day 2 that when he posted his vet claim, I needed to check the player list to make sure he was actually in the game. So, I don't get why two or more members of the mafia thought that it was best to hit him, but not any other, more active, player. Next is the name of the role, which doesn't say much by itself, but my gut reaction is to be suspicious, especially with such a short claim.
So, I'd like to ask san to post the full text of his role, because that might help clear things up or not. If he's lying, then I think our scum team is Ace/San/Varp. Ex-Marine You came back from the war, only to find your hometown overrun by terrorists! You have found that it is difficult to adapt to civilian life, however your experiences in the war make you hard to kill. It takes 2 successful hits to take you out. You will be notified when you lose your "extra life". The only reason I can think of me being shot last night was to narrow down the scum list previously posted by bum. Assuming jackal is scum that would link you and ace directly to him if he got lynched today.
Apology accepted. Now please explain to me how I'm different?
I was pushing because I hate when people post "I know something but I'm not sharing".
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On May 03 2011 03:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 02:58 sandroba wrote:
From the other games you were town you were very agressive and abrasive. You seemed to tunnel people a lot more. You seem too mild and behaved this game. This isn't a good reason to call him scum though. Go read XXXVIII, where he was town. I was a third party that game, so I didn't call him out on it, but if I remember correctly, he didn't tunnel at all. I actually had him pegged as mafia, because of the weird change in meta. He didn't even yell at people until the Protact thing happened. Read through Insane 2, and then XXXVIII. He was town in both, and there is a huge shift in how he acted between them. This is why this change in behaviour isn't incredible to me. He has other behaviour that can look scummy, but lynching on the meta that he isn't being aggressive isn't a very good reason.
I said in that game and this one that I am attempting to shed my bad habits. I also said it isn't fucking worth it.
And don't go by insane. I was intentionally trying to get two people killed in the item game to win the item game. I didn't particularly care what their alignment was, I just wanted them dead.
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On May 03 2011 03:15 sandroba wrote:
Yes, I realise that. My reasoning is actually a sum of factors. In that quote I was only responding to his question.
1) Change of meta.
2) Bum's check which makes him at least 50% to be mafia as imprevious pointed out.
3) The conjuction of the messages intercepted by ace and the fact that jackal pushed me to reveal how to make all mafia's players know in one message.
4) Switching his vote to bum after saying he believed him to be the DT.
No change. I'm reverting to the tunneling aggressive asshole. You're fucking scum.
Bums check is not a 50/50 proposition. It's 75% town 25% scum. Only scum use scummy numbers
Those messages are bullshit and you know it scummy.
I switched because I wasn't getting lynched due to bums incompetence. Not my problem scummy.
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On May 03 2011 03:41 Impervious wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 03:28 Ace wrote:On May 03 2011 03:22 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
This is a weird lynch. I'm not sure what to make of tnkted's claim of being a bullet-proof miller, as that seems really weird, and almost overpowered, as if he claims, he will never die if town believes him. I'm going to hold off on him though, because he isn't really important at the moment.
So if ace and san, and then varp are town, then the scum team is something like Jackal/BB/Eii.
I'm going to expect that all of the scum will know who each other are at this point. So that means that there's 4 scum maximum, maybe 2 minimum and 9 players. If there's 4, we're at MYLO already, so we need to be sure that we do this right. There's been associations drawn between people already, it seems. There's a strong relationship between Ace and San, as his claim relies on someone else being hit. There's also a relationship that I think exists with Varp, because of his quick agreement with Ace's claim, as well as the scum list he posted, which targets the other possibility of the scum team.
So what I need to decide, is if the scum team is formed of active posters and coherent, or made up of lurkers and disorganized.
Everyone's gone quiet, and Ace isn't really pushing hard for Jackal's lynch like he was for Bum's, which puts me on edge as well. People need to get talking more, because right now it seems like I'm the only one trying to figure things out while the lynch deadline is fast approaching.
I was actually waiting to see if something else happened as I recognized we're pretty much "stuck" here if we screw this up. Still think our best bet is to cut dead weight and see how the night ends up. I would have been up for a switch to darmousseh, however, he's been replaced. I'm waiting to see how active BB is going to be before I do anything like that. I still think Jackal is our best bet at the moment. Especially with how he's been acting recently.
How do you want me to act? I'm too aggressive. I'm not aggressive enough.
You guys really buying Ace's 2 action role?
If you are either Wiggles or you are scum.
I haven't seen anybody pointing fingers at you.
So you're either buying what Ace is selling or you're not.
Which is it?
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On May 03 2011 06:07 sandroba wrote:
I'm pretty convinced tnkted is scum. Besides from the inconsistencies on him role pm, he goes ahead and vote for wiggles based on the part of the message intercepted by ace. He does no analysis and even say he could be wrong and it might be imprevious aswel. It seems to me he's trying to derail jackal's lynch. Maybe you succeded because I'm voting for you.
At the risk of putting the vote back on me, if tnkted is scum and Ace is what he claims to be that would make Impervious scum wouldn't it?
To be honest with you I find both of their claims outrageously unbelievable. However it would appear that only 1 could be telling the truth. Although I think they're both lying.
If Ace is scum tnkted is basically going on a 50/50 shot on Wiggles with no analysis to support his decision.
If tnkted is scum he's voting for the one he knows is town and Ace will most likely get shot tonight.
Since I seem incapable of getting you guys to realize that a judge/jury/executioner role is almost entirely made up smoke and mirrors bs I have no problem with voting for tnkted.
This forces me to assume for the moment that one of them is telling the truth and the way tnkted just voted with no explanation makes Ace's wild ass claim appear to be slightly less wild ass than tnkted's.
Plus throw in the lurk factor. The only game I've played with tnkted was Insane 2 and there were times I swear he was just posting to get his name on every page.
##unvote: Ace
##Vote: tnkted
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On May 03 2011 06:41 sandroba wrote:
Wow, I didn't realize that, it's clever indeed, but I fail to see how that confirms him as townie. He has been planing to role claim since the begining of the game and it makes sense for him to have written it then. Also how do you explain the "you" instead of "your" and the colored title in his "copy-paste"?
I'm fine with jackal lynch aswel, because I think they are both scum, but I'm not as interested in confirming myself as town as I am in finding scum.
And sure, ace posting his pm would be nice.
He learned the ''create a role in advance" trick from Kav in Insane 2. Kav mind raped me with it and town lost due in large part to my gullibility. I'm town. I'm not buying bullshit claims anymore.
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Dammit Twinkles.  A beautiful role and wtf did you claim it for.
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Dammit man. I'm not scum. Seriously. Am I pushing scum agendas? Am I pushing for stupid shit? No. My last 2 votes were basically in self preservation the second on a really bullshit looking role posted by a lurker.
If Ace really had a night shot why am I still alive? Because I'm a great lynch target and a constant distraction to town. Thank you Bum.
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