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Mr. Wiggles
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He says he's going to claim, so I can only hope that he thought it through. If he is set on claiming however, I'd rather see that before I make any decisions in case it contains relevant information. | ||
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I'd also like to see Darm's and San's analysis that they promised, they could be very revealing to me about who the scum are. Also, If the host doesn't mind, can San post the flavor text from his role? I'm somewhat curious at the moment if it's a fake claim or not, because "Ex-Marine" is the bulletproof role from Survivor mafia, so either iGrok reused the name, or else it looks like San needed a name for a claim and found that one. | ||
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So, I'd like to ask san to post the full text of his role, because that might help clear things up or not. If he's lying, then I think our scum team is Ace/San/Varp. | ||
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On May 03 2011 02:58 sandroba wrote: From the other games you were town you were very agressive and abrasive. You seemed to tunnel people a lot more. You seem too mild and behaved this game. This isn't a good reason to call him scum though. Go read XXXVIII, where he was town. I was a third party that game, so I didn't call him out on it, but if I remember correctly, he didn't tunnel at all. I actually had him pegged as mafia, because of the weird change in meta. He didn't even yell at people until the Protact thing happened. Read through Insane 2, and then XXXVIII. He was town in both, and there is a huge shift in how he acted between them. This is why this change in behaviour isn't incredible to me. He has other behaviour that can look scummy, but lynching on the meta that he isn't being aggressive isn't a very good reason. | ||
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So if ace and san, and then varp are town, then the scum team is something like Jackal/BB/Eii. I'm going to expect that all of the scum will know who each other are at this point. So that means that there's 4 scum maximum, maybe 2 minimum and 9 players. If there's 4, we're at MYLO already, so we need to be sure that we do this right. There's been associations drawn between people already, it seems. There's a strong relationship between Ace and San, as his claim relies on someone else being hit. There's also a relationship that I think exists with Varp, because of his quick agreement with Ace's claim, as well as the scum list he posted, which targets the other possibility of the scum team. So what I need to decide, is if the scum team is formed of active posters and coherent, or made up of lurkers and disorganized. Everyone's gone quiet, and Ace isn't really pushing hard for Jackal's lynch like he was for Bum's, which puts me on edge as well. People need to get talking more, because right now it seems like I'm the only one trying to figure things out while the lynch deadline is fast approaching. | ||
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If Ace is town: The messages are true There was a message about a Canadian If scum is alerting scum of each others identities, then one of me or Impervious are red, meaning Impervious is Red. It could also be that scum want someone to push to lynch or kill either me or Impervious as well, when it says "Watch", not just "He's", meaning in that case, we're probably both green. If Ace is scum: The messages are most likely false Scum killed GGQ Ace fakes a message referencing the already dead GGQ, and then makes one about Canadians. Ace knows who the rest of his scum team are, and knows neither Impervious nor myself are red. He can now use that to push either of our lynches. That's why I'm not jumping on Impervious either. Ace said he wants to lynch a lurker, but there's not many left. The easiest candidate would be BB, and after that one of you/San/Jackal/Eiii. Lynching San would tell us Ace's alignment, but I'm not sure if we can sacrifice a town player if he's not scum. In that case, Ace is pretty much town, but then we will have killed one of our own, and Ace will most likely die at night. We can lynch Jackal based on the 50% probability that he's red, but we also have to keep in mind that there was RNG. BB replaced darm, who looked scummy, but was barely participating in the thread, so it's hard to get a complete alignment from his words and actions. BB also still hasn't had a chance to say anything yet. I haven't noticed much of Eiii, but I'm going to have to go reread all his posts. If I remember correctly, he wasn't a supporter of the bum lynch. Then there's yourself. you've been lurking pretty hard for a major part of the game, and now claim a bullet-proof, self-aware miller role. This doesn't absolve you from suspicion in my eyes, because that seems like a very easy thing to claim for scum, and explains why you would ever show up red to DT checks if that came up. | ||
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HONEST CITIZEN: You are a peaceful citizen of Liquidville. How could a terrorist cell ever appear in your town?! Your goal is to survive and help town discover and kill the Sleeper Cell. You have a single vote by day. And before anyone stirs up stuff, yes it is the same as in the OP. However, there's a major difference. The name isn't coloured in any way. Also, tnkted, if you yourself say that the role is useless if you don't get hit, then why would you claim before you were hit? The longer you don't claim, the more likely scum would have been to hit you because they'd get nervous if you kept hinting at information. Instead you claimed as soon as there was a bit of pressure and expected it to completely absolve you of suspicion while also rendering you useless. Brownbear looks like he's going to get modkilled, and right now, you look pretty scummy. Your role claim doesn't match with anyone else, you've been lurking hardcore, and you make a somewhat senseless claim. That's good enough for me today. ##Vote: tnkted | ||
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I'm going to post again a little before the Day post. | ||
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Imp has been connected to the Canadian quote, so he's either scum, or scum can use it to push a lynch on him. Also, I've connected Varp to Ace and San already so his death will give information, but I'm re-evaluating that judgment. That leaves me as the kill as I've been pretty active and trying to figure out what's happening. A few words to town if I'm dead. Don't follow anyone based only on a blue-claim. Ace is going to have another message for you guys, and it might help lead you in the right direction. Keep in mind though, that Ace could easily be lying. So, if you use that information to your advantage, or he tries to push something, don't do it solely on the message, but based on the logic behind it. Also keep in mind that if Ace is telling the truth, the Cell leader might actually be smart enough to send a message with fake information in anticipation of Ace intercepting it. So, don't blindly trust whatever message Ace reveals, as it could have been be tampered with, or could be a complete fabrication by Ace. Use your head, don't rely on claims. Watch who starts pushing what plan. If Ace/San are scum, then they'll either quickly push for Impervious or Jackal as a lynch, as they're both easy to kill based on the DT and "messages". At first, I also wanted to lump Varp with them, because of his "alignment list", which looked like it was basically parroting Ace and taking as true any blue information that had been given. However, I'm now considering the possibility of a Varpulis/Impervious/BB team too, with maybe Jackal. Every day, varp has been proposing Darm(BB) as the lynch, but never hard enough to actually get him killed. It seemed that both days, he just switched from a Darm vote to whoever was getting modkilled. This is easy for scum to do, especially if they know the person being modkilled isn't scum but Darm is. The switch is because he'd rather one town die than have to sacrifice a scum player who would otherwise live. His constant targeting of Darm without ever actually being serious about it seems like a scum who wants to get townie cred for lynching a lurking scum. Also, his list could be taken that he just wants to look town with it, appealing to popular opinion. Just watch who he's pushing for tomorrow, and how. Impervious has a couple posts that are making me suspicious of him as well now, and he's also already pushing for Jackal. This doesn't tell me much about Jackal's alignment, but if he's town, he's the go-to lynch for any scum that are around. It'll be really easy to push for him based on the DT check, and could also be used as a bus for scum. Imp seems to be pushing hard, like he wants to set it up already for the next day and get a head start on suggesting Jackal's lynch. So, keep in mind the possibility of Ace/San, but also the connections between Varp and BB, and now Imp pushing for Jackal. I've got a sinking feeling about Varp/Imp/BB right now, more than San/Ace, but see how it plays out over the beginning of the day before you make any final decisions. I've helped to lynch two town roles by accident already, and right now I'm not entirely convinced about Jackal being scum. If I'm wrong about that and what the scum-team is too, I'm probably the dumbest green who ever greened, but whatever. I'm also just working on the information I have now, and nothing more, so take this post like that. If I'm still alive in the morning, then this should all be disregarded as I'll have new information to re-evaluate everything. I just wanted to share my thoughts right now, because I have a gut feeling I'm getting shot, and wanted to get them out there, rather than have them die with me. | ||
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