EPTOn March 29 2011 03:07 GMarshal wrote:
All these new people ^_^
(lynch em all!)
All these new people ^_^
(lynch em all!)
New people, I declare myself your leader. We shall rise up against the tyrannical GMarshal and put his head on a platter.
/in
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New people, I declare myself your leader. We shall rise up against the tyrannical GMarshal and put his head on a platter. /in | ||
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On April 09 2011 07:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: got my role  I'll meet you in scum irc in just a second! | ||
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On April 09 2011 07:38 Kavdragon wrote: EBWODP: And on that note, I leave this spam fest to those who want to join my FoS list. If the all feature is gone by day two, i will be very, very, unhappy. ^^Trying too hard to be pro-town night 0. | ||
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^^Opposes analysis. Scum. | ||
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On April 09 2011 11:06 LSB wrote: OMG kitaman27 what are you doing here with... that person!!! Are you cheating on me! </drama> I'm free from your slavery. You have no power here. | ||
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On April 10 2011 02:44 TranceStorm wrote: Furthermore, since the pardoner/mayor knows who the bodyguards are, meaning that the mafia could hit those roles easier. This part gives the mafia more incentive to run as mayor than usual. The last thing they want is two town running around causing trouble, with no way to kill them. The fact that they are rewarded for running, but coming in second also gives them a nice bonus. The pardon ability is an awesome way to completely derail town focus when mafia is in a tough spot. I would feel real unwary having a pardoner around late game if I wasn't sure of his alignment. | ||
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On April 10 2011 03:53 Kavdragon wrote: On the note of assassins, from what I understand, they are playing an entirely different game than us. Their win condition does not interfere with ours, and the only effect they will have is the collateral damage they will incur when they miss. Do you think that we should hunt for them as well? The arguments that come to mind are that killing one will lower the KP during the night. On the other hand it distracts us from the only people that can beat us: the mafia. No reason to lynch an assassin. Just analyze them and leave them to die by the other assassins. | ||
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On April 10 2011 04:29 Eiii wrote: I'm not even sure what benefits there are to having a 'leader' be mayor over an analysis, but I guess I'm not even 100% sure what being a strong leader in this game means. Seems to me that strong analysis is going to lead town much better than any dedicated leader will. Alignment should be the main focus. I would much rather have a mayor who I believe to be town, than a mayor who I believe to be good leader or analyzer. Obviously both would be preferable though. | ||
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On April 10 2011 05:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: because i dont feel the need to write paragraphs about useless shit saying basically: 1. the mayor is important! 2. the pardoner is also important 3. be careful who you vote for! 4. mafia may or may not run for mayor! 5. we should pressure inactive people! this is all obvious stuff. no one has said anything of value yet and because the game hasn't even started I haven't taken the time to scrutinize the game setup and come up with a plan for how I'm going to play this game or where I think the town should go. but that doesn't mean i can't smell your "look at me and how townie i'm acting!" bs right away DrH mimicking my post. Probably scum buddies. | ||
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Scum were wondering why they hadn't heard from him yet. | ||
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On April 10 2011 09:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: dt check kav n1 You guys agreed on a godfather already? Bravo. | ||
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I'm running for pardoner. Why? Well frankly, so I keep it out of the hands of everyone else. I know I'm town, so I see little reason not to run. In addition, it would cut the odds of the mafia learning the bodyguard identities in half and force them to campaign harder, rather than settling for second. My pardoning policy would be to let the lynch go as planned unless there is an undoubtedly obvious mafia bandwagon. It would not be surprising if I never chose to use the power at all. | ||
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On April 10 2011 14:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: im gonna run because i can only trust myself here is my "policy" mayor: -use my votes on whoever i think is scummiest not who the "town" tells me to vote for -lynch kavdragon on day 1 pardoner: -pardon whoever i think is getting lynched on a dumb bandwagon even if the rest of the town is pretty sure they are scum that's it On April 01 2011 01:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: can i please not be mayor We have our first major contradiction here. Pre-game he does not want to be mayor. He recieves his role pm and decides to run. FOS DrH On April 10 2011 12:39 chaoser wrote: I am willing, unlike Kita, to make the difficult choices. If I feel an unjust lynch is being made and that the second highest person being voted on is actually mafia, I will make that call and I will pardon. It will be an informed decision and I will explain my actions in a satisfactory way but I will not sit around twiddling my fingers when I think a wrong is about to occur. At least as pardoner, I promise to read the rules. It doesn't matter if the second highest person is mafia. When a pardon is used, no one is lynched. Sounds like you don't want the pardoner role in my hands. We're you planning to run for the pardoner specifically before I announced my campaign or after you saw me running? | ||
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On April 10 2011 16:02 Protactinium wrote: I don't need to and I don't care to lynch other Assassins. I shoot them at night with my last bullet. I stopped reading here. The assassin, whose goal is the kill other assassins, is trying to tell us he doesn't want to lynch assassins. | ||
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On April 10 2011 16:17 chaoser wrote: To clarify, he is both a decent leader and analyst. -__- | ||
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On April 10 2011 17:02 Protactinium wrote: However, in essence of "playing the game" the optimal (though still not very good) strategy would be to ally with the Mafia. Obviously, if I lose the election, theres no way I can help town without dying. The game is just hours in and he is already threatening town. | ||
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On April 10 2011 17:11 chaoser wrote: He does win, he doesn't need to lynch assassins to win, he just needs them to all be dead. Whether that's from his own KP, mafia's KP or lynch, doesn't matter. The moment we think he's not playing "pro-town" we can lynch him. What's to stop him from blackmailing town with the identities of the bodyguards once we decide the time has come? Or maybe the identity of the medic/dt? He certainly wouldn't go down without a fight, plus that's a lynch we should be using on scum, not black. On April 10 2011 17:11 chaoser wrote: At least he brings two KP and a check to the table. He has no real reason to go against town. There's no way he'll win the assassin game by day 2, not even close. At most he'll win late game. I say we give him pardoner, use his sexy sexy brain and KP/check powers and profit. It'd then be in the mafia's best interest to take out black so that the assassin game can end early and Prot is whisked off. That's good for town cause then they need to focus on black, not green. Shooting scum does not further his win condition. If he shoots, its going to be because he thinks he is hitting an assassin. He brought up a good point earlier. If town wins, he loses. Why are you defending him so much? | ||
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On April 10 2011 18:25 urashimakt wrote: Nope, it was just a joke from complaining about your face spam before the game started. Had no actual intention to report a well-known member for doing something that's not against any rules anywhere. Sorry, I suppose it was a little far out there. This. Assassins that are playing to win are not going to be a threat. Protactinium can't ally with with the Mafia if he can't talk to them, and by BrownBear's ruling so far he can't do that via PM. Being an assassin is still going to be a waiting game, they'll just have a target they can't hit until very late into the game. The ability to pardon grants him no power to reach his own win condition. It's true that we can't force him to hold to his word about using his 2 hammers and 1 rolecheck in our favor, but there's very little reason for him not to. He only needs 1 hammer to win his game. More importantly, if he's ingratiated to play as town while he sits around for days doing nothing then we gain the analysis of a veteran. I think it's worth it. Suppose you are an assassin. What gives you the best chance to hit the other assassins: a) Give up two of your kp to town and hope your 1/40 shot hits the other assassins b) Use all three kp to try and hit assassins This should be pretty obvious. He has little incentive to help town once he actually is elected. As mayor, he will lynch and vote against assassin suspects. Town does not want this. As pardoner, he will never pardon. On April 10 2011 21:17 Barundar wrote: From all the candidates, I'm interested in hearing how you think our pardoner should be used, the way you will be using your mayor role, and your current mafia reads. I'm still running too for pardoner. I think the role should be used for obvious bandwagons. Others are saying they will make the "tough" choice and save those who they have a feeling might be innocent. Instead, I will try to prevent innocents from receiving the most votes to by lynched in the first place. Seems like common sense. On April 10 2011 23:16 Jackal58 wrote: Protactinum as mayor pretty much guarantees scum don't get it. Any guarantee that scum doesn't hold those extra votes at end game is a win for town. No it doesn't. Protract could still be scum. For those who say that there is no way he would take that kind of risk, there are 8 scum. It could be a high risk, high reward kind of situation. Either way, as mayor he would not have the towns best intentions at mind, which is something you shouldn't be supporting. On April 10 2011 23:21 Jackal58 wrote: No voting thread yet??? Is Bum hosting this? The timing is all fucked up. ##VOTE: Protactinum for mayor And I don't know how you guys think you're voting for a pardoner. Pardoner is the first loser in the mayor race. Stop voting for a pardoner cause you aren't voting for anybody. That race doesn't exist. Second most votes gets pardoner. I assume town is competent enough to manage to work it out. Wouldn't it make more sense to give it to someone to wants the role, rather than someone who loses trying to be mayor? On April 10 2011 20:08 aidnai wrote: Kita is definitely overreacting against Protact. Good DT check right there. Could you elaborate? I think I've been pretty pro-town so far. On April 10 2011 20:26 aidnai wrote: BTW kavdragon is a stupid day one lynch. He's a damn good liar, but if anybody had bothered to to behavioural analysis it should have been obvious he was not town last game -_-. He'll be active and a fairly easy read in another day or two. Plus there's still like a dozen people that haven't even posted yet... This is a total flip in philosophy from pregame. Siblings sticking up for each other? I might have to keep an eye on you. | ||
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On April 11 2011 03:28 urashimakt wrote: That goes for Pardoner, too, which I think is where Protact should get elected to. If he doesn't or can't hit/rolecheck who we want, we could assume he's scum. Best case scenario we lynch a godfather, worst case we lynch an assassin. I'm still pretty certain that's he's black, though. Even better, we don't elect him and he gets offed night one. That's 2 kp we don't have to worry about from Protact and another kp from the assassin that kills him. In addition, the assassin game will end much quicker. With four scum kp and 3 assassin kp thats 7 kp per night. Do we honestly want to shorten the game so much? The longer the game lasts, the better chance town has of winning. On April 11 2011 03:31 Coagulation wrote: what would be the incentive for an assassin to pardon ANYONE.. he would never do it. every flip is viable to him.every flip gives him a chance of killing assassin. why would he stop a flip you guys are fucking insane. Glad we agree! Votes on me as your anti-Protact candidate! ^_^ | ||
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On April 11 2011 03:34 GMarshal wrote: Alright protact I see you points, I'm not going to vote for you, but I won't actively oppose you either. I do not think you have the town's best interests at heart and I think that your whole "I'm in it for the glory" spiel is an attempt to manipulate the town. But you *are* one of the best analysts around, and I wouldn't object to having you by my side as a pardoner, assuming you actually wanted to help the town. Frankly I'm torn so I think it best to let the town choose Regarding my "I'll lynch the most inactive player" I think I'm going to redact that to "I'll lynch the player who I feel is lurking the most" by lurking I mean posting content-less posts while trying to appear pro town. Is that ok with everyone? Or would you guys prefer if I just hit the most inactive person? Mayor should take a stand. If you "do not think he has the town's best interest at heart", then you should oppose him. You're trying to make sure you don't upset anyone, rather than trying to lead. | ||
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On April 11 2011 03:45 GMarshal wrote: oh, and kita, since Chaoser retracted his run for pardoner I guess I can make you my running mate ##Vote: Kitaman27 Glad to get some support. Another lurker that should be pressured is Lemonwalrus. He lurked as scum in Insane 2 and just a few days ago he was talking about how excited he was to play. Now that the game has started, he doesn't have a single post of content. DarthThienAn also has zero posts. He is a veteran and I would like an explanation. | ||
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On April 10 2011 04:07 GGQ wrote: I agree with this, and want to point out that one way to tell the difference between mafia and assassins is that mafia know each other and assassins only know themselves. So while both will want to avoid notice and will seem anti-town, the mafia will be the ones who seem to have extra information that they are hiding. On April 10 2011 04:34 GMarshal wrote: This, I utterly and completely agree with this, those roles are far too powerful to risk in the hands of scum. Whoever is running better be really, really, obviously town, or they probably wont have my vote. On April 10 2011 04:49 Kavdragon wrote: Kitaman: I understand that electing someone who is clearly town is important and i completely agree On April 10 2011 19:57 Robellicose wrote: I agree with the many people who have argued against protact for mayor. On April 11 2011 03:09 kevconsim wrote: I agree with this. When protract doesnt get elected if he dies night 1 there is no real harm to us. Its a side game. It would be nice to have the extra kp's but is it worth it if a mafia gets into mayor or pardoner? NO On April 11 2011 03:21 Lanaia wrote: Also, I agree with Kita on the Protact issue, really. On April 10 2011 17:05 DropBear wrote: Good point by Kita. You are going to direct lynches at them, yes you are not. There is pretty blatant contradiction here. More thoughts to follow. Lots of agreeing and head nodding, but no action. Protactinium currently leads the race. | ||
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On April 11 2011 05:26 Pandain wrote: Also wtf is with this bias against me? Seriously? I'm a good analyzer. When I'm not goofing off, I get shit down. Shit gets real when Pandain's in the house. I survived Insane Mafia 1 through constant suspicion and poking. Why are you using a game where you were godfather to convince people we should elect you. Are you serious? -_- On April 11 2011 05:32 Pandain wrote: So we can protect someone who will give us: 1.DT results. 2.Dt results again(me) 3.Valuable scum hunting ability. Furthermore for the love of god why don't you start talking about who's mafia? Personally anyone who says they have a strong read day 1 is pretty dumb, given its day 1! What's more important than deciding the mayor right now? Especially if he could be an assassin! The fact that you are discouraging day one scum hunting concerns me. Even if it is unlikely to catch a day one lynch, doesn't mean we shouldn't pressure. Right when protract achieves his win condition, he is removed from the game....do we really want to have our mayor disappear mid-game? | ||
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On April 11 2011 06:01 Pandain wrote: actually you know what. IT would still work. I just don't run. I'm not dt ^^ Add this guy to the lynch candidates. | ||
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On April 11 2011 06:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I think if he is at least put up as pardoner then we will shut up about him at least. As long as he agrees to use his check on our whim I don't see the problem with that. No, quite the opposite. If we put him as pardoner, he will be scrutinized and distract the town for the first half of the game. The real way for us to stop talking about him is to not elect him and let him get night killed by the other assassins. | ||
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On April 11 2011 06:24 The_Roist wrote: Do you guys? Its my first time playing Mafia with TL, you guys are far more...aggressive? Then the guys i'm used to playing with. Just don't lurk and you should be fine ^_^ Thoughts on the mayor race? | ||
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On April 11 2011 06:34 M0nsterChef wrote: ##Vote: Gmarshal This guy is voting without posting. | ||
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On April 11 2011 06:37 redFF wrote: It's more for later on in the mayoral race when there are people who still only have 1-2 votes. Kitaman hasn't really had any strong support so far and i haven't really see him argue for his candidacy. I'll happily argue anything you want for my candidacy. The fact that I'm not getting support shows that the mafia has no interest in backing me. Why would they want someone who is pro-town, when they could elect an assasson or someone like DrH who is always the center of attention. To summarize campaign for pardoner so far: -We should prioritize pro-towness as our biggest reason for voting for mayor. -I consider myself a pro-town player. With the exception of my single scum game, there have been more than a couple votes against me over a 10+ game period. When I'm town, I'm almost never in the lynch discussion and that's something you want with your elected officials. In addition, I'm not afraid to speak my mind and I've proved from past games that I'm not one to suddenly go inactive for days at a time. -I will argue to sway the lynch against innocents so a pardon is not even necessary. I will only use my pardon in obvious bandwagon situations. I do not believe the pardon should be used on a whim, as we valuable information to analyze. -I am completely against an assassin in office. The fact that everyone thinks we can manipulate an experienced veteran to do our bidding is not well thought out. He does not have the town's interests at mind and should not be elected. He is getting far too much support, which should concern everyone. -I've been backed by GMarshal as his running mate, the person who has received the most votes to this point. | ||
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You dropped out to support the assassin. GMarshal has stated he is against the assassin. You never answered my question from before either: Did you have the idea to run for pardoner during night zero or only after you saw that I was running for the role. | ||
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On April 11 2011 08:05 Protactinium wrote: It may be overreacting, but this seems like perfect kita logic. I read every single post of PYP3 with excruciating detail, and let's not talk about how kitaman27 played... Cough cough shoot the pretty much confirmed townie that netted a ridiculous number of Mafia multiple times. While he's not being protown he's also not being very anti-town either. Honestly, those types of labels don't really work too well beyond blatant examples for the first day, before anything can be "proven" Cute, you quotes all my posts and then rather than responding, you reference my worst game in an attempt to discredit me. I must be missing your point because I fail to see how this is an appropriate response to the posts you quoted. Oh wait, you aren't town so that was your intent. On April 11 2011 08:05 Protactinium wrote: Didn't I already say I was going to use my last bullet to shoot them? I have no reason to lynch them , since it doesn't matter whether they die during the day or night other than the fact that they'll be able to fire off a shot if they're not lynched--and that shot can still hit town, Mafia, or another Assassin. Of course you have a reason to lynch them. Its part of your win condition to kill other assassins. Why throw away your final shot when you could lynch them? That's an unnecessary risk. Does town really buy this? You know as well as I know that town will not punish you for carrying out your own agenda. You can pretend to be trying to shoot a scum. but in reality you will be assassin sniping. On April 11 2011 08:05 Protactinium wrote: If the game were already at LYLO for the town, then I've already lost if I save Mafia. Isn't it obvious? Being elected means allying with the town completely. There's no way and no reason I would change 'allegiances', barring some ridiculous scenario that even I haven't planned for (not going to happen). Consider a late game situation, in which 1 scum remain. If that scum is lynched you lose. Therefore, you will be 100% against town if they are ever in a position to win. I think this is pretty clear. Since no one has come out and asked for some reason, How many assassins are there? | ||
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On April 11 2011 08:05 Protactinium wrote: It may be overreacting, but this seems like perfect kita logic. I read every single post of PYP3 with excruciating detail, and let's not talk about how kitaman27 played... Cough cough shoot the pretty much confirmed townie that netted a ridiculous number of Mafia multiple times. On April 11 2011 08:05 Protactinium wrote: I feel like I could say a lot more to you and lecture on and on for hours, but it's not worth it. Also, I didn't respond to you because you weren't worth responding to. This is exactly the same as your obstinate and utterly stupid play in PYP3: you don't see reason buddy. On April 11 2011 08:05 Protactinium wrote: You are historically not a pro-town player. PYP3 again . Nothing further needed on that. I highly doubt you're able to argue down a bandwagon, and as said before that's not how Pardons are to be used anyway. Is that going to be your response to everything? If you want to address my play in a game outside the thread then fine, but to bring it up 5 months later and use it as the basis for why you think I'm stupid just because I don't want a black in office is silly. Since you insist on bringing up PYP3 so much, how did it work out for the town when they decided to ally with the "SK third party"? chaoser redFF urashimakt Protactinium loses if town wins. Let me repeat that. Protactinium loses if town wins. This is a point he cannot deny. Therefore we do not want him around for late game. Giving him two bodyguards will likely bring him to late game. | ||
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On April 11 2011 11:10 aidnai wrote: Anyway I feel really good about GM being mayor, he's certainly green in my eyes. What surprises me is that kita hasn't gotten any mayoral attention-- his posts have nearly all been on the mark, and though I was thinking he could be black for a while, taking such a strong stand against prot makes him green to me. I'm voting kita. ##Vote kitaman27 This is exceptionally poor reasoning. If kita was black, that would force him to be anti-protact, how could his stance possibly indicate to you that he is not black? at best, it is neutral.[/QUOTE] If I were black, or red for that matter, I would not want to make myself a target at such an early point in the game. I already know the identity of one assassin leaving only one other assassin left to hunt. I see little reason to draw so much attention to myself. I'm actively opposing a person who claims to have 3 kp at their disposal. That's a pretty big risk to take for a survivor-type role. | ||
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On April 09 2011 13:36 DropBear wrote: /confirm My life for the town! On April 10 2011 00:16 redFF wrote: Hey guys i'm town I'm always weary of people who find it necessary to post that they are town. Inactives that should know better: Lemon-Still hasn't posted. Playing pokemon instead. Tackster-Zero posts Rean-Only two posts, both re guarding assassins. GGQ- Supports prot, no posts in over 25 pages ilovejohn- sick  DarthThienAn - Quotes one of Kav's newbie posts to tell us that he agrees and then proceeds to vote for pandain, the fake dt claim. | ||
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On April 11 2011 23:38 DarthThienAn wrote: That's exactly why I voted for him. Low chance of being elected for Mayor, so there's no harm in putting my vote there as a placeholder, like I said in my second post... If you're going to try to criticize me, at least do it with something credible. That was a credible criticism. You haven't taken a stand yet. | ||
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On April 12 2011 02:25 GMarshal wrote: Oh, and I just realized something, kitaman should be shot by vigis stating night 2 because he is running for pardoner, I just re-read the description and the pardoner is horribly, horribly anti town, it makes the day end on no lynch essentially giving the mafia a free night. I say vigi and not lynch because its too easy a bandwagon to policy lynch someone, it gives us no real information on the lynch. LOL. So you agree with my policy enough to vote for me and now you are calling for a vig shot? You really are a dirty politician  I ran specifically for pardoner because it is horribly, horribly anti-town. If I win, I guarantee that mafia cannot reach LYLO a day earlier. If you want to address any of my stances so far, then I'm open to discussion, but to call for a vig shot without providing reasoning is scummy. | ||
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On April 12 2011 02:30 kitaman27 wrote: LOL. So you agree with my policy enough to vote for me and now you are calling for a vig shot? You really are a dirty politician I ran specifically for pardoner because it is horribly, horribly anti-town. If I win, I guarantee that mafia cannot reach LYLO a day earlier. If you want to address any of my stances so far, then I'm open to discussion, but to call for a vig shot without providing reasoning is scummy. Furthermore, your buddy Chaoser ran solely for pardoner too. Surely, you want him lynched too if your reasoning is consistent? HAHA medic protection? Either that post was not well thought out or you have an ulterior motive against me. | ||
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On April 12 2011 02:48 GMarshal wrote: you were also the first person to run for pardoner which suggests to me that you realized its power pretty much off the bat So I'm a good vig target because I started my campaign first? Priceless. Does that mean the first mayor candidate should be vig'd too? On April 12 2011 02:48 GMarshal wrote: both chaoser and I thought that what pardoning did was get the second highest vote count player lynched, as opposed to just ending the day. I corrected chaoser on his assumption VERY early into day 1. The fact that you know chaoser was incorrect means you either read that post, meaning "I just realized something" was a lie or you have been in contact with chaoser, meaning you are scum. On April 12 2011 02:48 GMarshal wrote: Also you neglect the rest of my post, what do you think about the medic and DT lists? I have little interest in your attempt to direct blues. The fact that you thought you could hide a vig hit in with a bunch of other information is amusing. On April 12 2011 03:11 GMarshal wrote: Yes, Vig Kita, I'm also thinking about having the pardoner lynched immediately upon seizing power, depending on who landed the role, since it is a free extra night for the scum, no amount of stopping bandwagons is worth giving the scum a free night of kills. I'm still toying with the idea, as it really depends on who lands the role. This is 100% anti-town. If you want to remove the pardoner's power, have him pardon your first lynch. Your method reduces the number of people alive, regardless of whether or not you think he is scum. On April 12 2011 03:11 GMarshal wrote: Onto what makes me suspicious of Kita, Dr.H calls him out on it quite early, kita makes some very general remarks on the mayorship "scum might run", "mayor is powerful", etc. He then starts tunneling on Dr.H insisting he is scum Haha, now you're just starting to smear my name. I called DrH out for explicitly stating that he does not want to be mayor pregame. I have never "tunneled on Dr.H" nor have I ever "insisted he is scum". You are lying. On April 12 2011 03:11 GMarshal wrote: His point that he has no backing for mayor is... lacking... if he is in communication with a scumteam then he can happily make them wait to vote to emphasize this point. Point 2 is decent, but I generally frown on too much focus on the meta. Point three is laughable, all pro-town players will argue against lynching innocents, and here he still maintains he might use the pardon as long as its "no on a whim". His final two points are irrelevant. So basically he is running on a campaign made of fluff trying to grab a power role, and saying he might make use of it. If he had said he was going to categorically not use it I'd be happier, but it seems that as the thread progresses he is warming up to using it You voted for me. Apparently it was good enough to convince you, until this point? What interests me is what, or who, changed your mind. My ideas have remained consistent since the point you decided to back me. On April 12 2011 03:11 GMarshal wrote: Every other one of his posts is against the assassin getting elected into office, which is curious to say the least. I agree with his stance on that but he seems deadset against it, dedicating almost all his effort to stopping his election Would you rather have me state my point and then hide in the shadows? I see little reason why I should be killed for arguing my opinion. You even admit to agreeing with me on this issue, which confuses me why you are using at as a reason to have me vig'd. | ||
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On April 12 2011 04:46 GMarshal wrote: you don't say? I always assumed that lynching someone kept them around, isn't the goal of lynching mafia to reduce the number of them that are alive? Do you prefer that if elected I dont lynch anyone and instead hold hands with the electorate and sing kumbayah while the mafia team shoots at us? Obvously, I think you should lynch scum. You're saying that you are considering lynching the pardoner to remove his anti-town role, which I'm saying is a poor decision. On April 12 2011 04:46 GMarshal wrote: And now I put out a list in an attempt to foster discussion and you just ignore it because you are hurt that I think your play is off I trust the blues to do what they believe is right. I don't need to tell them to "protect someone that is going to be hit" or "Check someone that is scummy" On April 12 2011 04:46 GMarshal wrote: Kita my case on you boils down to this, you've done exactly two things all game, run for pardoner and fight against an assassin for pardoner, while both those things as pretty neutral you haven't done anything else, no scum hunting, no analysis, just those two things, blindly. I thought that a player like you would be hunting scum, not just trying to deny them a role. You are wrong. I'm starting to wonder if you are even willing to listen to reason or if you are trying to distract the town. + Show Spoiler + On April 10 2011 15:12 kitaman27 wrote: We have our first major contradiction here. Pre-game he does not want to be mayor. He recieves his role pm and decides to run. On April 11 2011 02:44 kitaman27 wrote: No it doesn't. Protract could still be scum. For those who say that there is no way he would take that kind of risk, there are 8 scum. It could be a high risk, high reward kind of situation. Either way, as mayor he would not have the towns best intentions at mind, which is something you shouldn't be supporting. On April 11 2011 02:44 kitaman27 wrote: This is a total flip in philosophy from pregame. Siblings sticking up for each other? I might have to keep an eye on you. On April 11 2011 03:57 kitaman27 wrote: Another lurker that should be pressured is Lemonwalrus. He lurked as scum in Insane 2 and just a few days ago he was talking about how excited he was to play. Now that the game has started, he doesn't have a single post of content. DarthThienAn also has zero posts. He is a veteran and I would like an explanation. On April 11 2011 Kitaman27 write: The fact that you are discouraging day one scum hunting concerns me. Even if it is unlikely to catch a day one lynch, doesn't mean we shouldn't pressure. Right when protract achieves his win condition, he is removed from the game....do we really want to have our mayor disappear mid-game? On April 11 2011 23:02 kitaman27 wrote: I'm always weary of people who find it necessary to post that they are town. Inactives that should know better: Lemon-Still hasn't posted. Playing pokemon instead. Tackster-Zero posts Rean-Only two posts, both re guarding assassins. GGQ- Supports prot, no posts in over 25 pages ilovejohn- sick DarthThienAn - Quotes one of Kav's newbie posts to tell us that he agrees and then proceeds to vote for pandain, the fake dt claim. On April 11 2011 23:49 kitaman27 wrote: That was a credible criticism. You haven't taken a stand yet. On April 12 2011 04:20 kitaman27 wrote: I corrected chaoser on his assumption VERY early into day 1. The fact that you know chaoser was incorrect means you either read that post, meaning "I just realized something" was a lie or you have been in contact with chaoser, meaning you are scum. I have come to a realization. Stanley Cup Playoffs start this week. I am a loyal Sabres fan. GMarshal is from Philly. This means war. | ||
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On April 12 2011 06:40 GMarshal wrote: Kita, I retract my accusation of you, it was kind of a dick move on my part but I wanted to see how you reacted to some pressure, since I felt that you hadn't been subjected to any real scrutiny. Sorry if I made you angry, but I had to see how you reacted to something like my attack. You dirty Broad Street Bully. I don't get angry, I get revenge. | ||
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On April 12 2011 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It's kind of a truce thing. If mafia starts killing off bodyguards then I know either A) Pardoner is scum or B) One of the bodyguards is scum and makes scumhunting considerably easier for me. Vice-versa for the pardoner as well. I had thought bodyguards could not be scum considering they are "random townies". I also believe they do not know each others identities. Might need some clarification on this though. | ||
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On April 09 2011 17:13 Kavdragon wrote: This is why ver posted his analysis during the night. On April 10 2011 12:03 Kavdragon wrote: I have been talking with veteran players (Ver, BC, and Foolishness) constantly since then about how I can improve my play, and analysis. On April 12 2011 07:17 Kavdragon wrote: I've been talking to Ver, BC and RoL a lot over the past few games trying to improve my play. On April 12 2011 10:09 Kavdragon wrote: It's funny, because this fits Ver's profiling for a new scum player almost exactly. Right down to the out of place list. (See: Ver's analysis of XXX) New rule. You are no longer allowed to mention Ver's name. k thx. | ||
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On April 12 2011 10:26 tnkted wrote: I'm just reading through, but it looks like everyone else missed this. Wtf? Why are you in a chat room with meapak and GGQ? I thought only mafia had circles. FOS Meapak GGQ and Rean Especially Meapak. He has been up to no good since the start. | ||
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On April 12 2011 10:49 redFF wrote: A dt check asked for by DrH on me would be a good idea so I don't have to explain my noobie town behaviour and can analise instead. Never trust a guy who requests a dt check. | ||
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On April 12 2011 12:32 Conversion wrote: Didn't most town want proct as pardoner? Unvoted and voted proct. hoping for some kind of vote switch before day ends... Me and all 2 of my loyal supports will not allow that to happen. | ||
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On April 12 2011 14:01 Kenpachi wrote: whats best for town is a fit leader. KENPACHI FOR MAYOR.. too late  I tried my best Kenpachi. lol am I your secret assassin suspect DrH? <3 | ||
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On April 12 2011 14:04 Latrommi wrote: Ok, there's suspicion. I get it. I had problems with getting the mafia forum's access, but got through with it enough to read a few pages before voting. That wasn't suspicion, it was a compliment. | ||
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On April 12 2011 14:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i think it's you/protactinium/coagulation Earlier you laughed at the idea of calling for a vig shot for me. Calling me an assassin is essentially the same, if not worse. You mentioned that your secret assassin suspect made a slip. Would you care to reveal that? | ||
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On April 13 2011 01:16 CubEdIn wrote: ![[image loading]](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kDoyvibiZag/R2kfOv6rdpI/AAAAAAAABNw/l8YqAjfeIEU/s320/BurnsExcellentSticker.jpg) No, I'm not scum, and it will be pretty easy to tell, since my town game is so pro town it hurts town! I'll get to readin' 'dem 50-or-so pages more carefully and get in touch with what's down. So far, I'd like to say that we should not discuss DT checks so openly, let the guys do their jobs, and also, lol @ day 1 lynch. Requesting scum hit so I can ask "Who shot Mr.Burns?" | ||
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On April 13 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That's not a very pro-town attitude. I'm asking if you're claiming veteran or joking. Answer the question. I'm also medic protecting him. | ||
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On March 26 2011 03:53 BrownBear wrote: MAFIA GODFATHER: The new leader of the TLHQ Mafia family. He will be elected by the mafia night 1. He may choose to appear as any role he pleases to rolechecks. He also gets a complimentary wheelchair and Vito Corleone voice. He gains 1000 KP if he manages to work the phrase “I'll make him an offer he can't refuse” into a post without town noticing. (NOTE: not actually, but I'd be damn impressed.) On April 10 2011 13:18 Protactinium wrote: Take this as you will, but right now I'm making you an offer you lol I didn't notice this at first, cute. | ||
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I haven't had a chance to look through coag's posts yet, so his alignment is up in the air. I'll be back to post more in a couple hours when I'm out of class. DrH, you can call me assassin 100 times, but it still doesn't make it true. | ||
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Suppose you are the assassin. You claim and run for office because you thought it would be "fun". Your candidacy fails and you will be shot night two. What options do you have: a) Convince the other assassins you are not an assassin b) Obtain medic protection c) Hope you don't get hit. Claiming dt was his only option for survival. People are yelling that this move doesn't make sense as black. Of course it does. If coag does happen to flip red, then you've got yourself medic protection. If not, then you are no worse off then you were before. It's not like town would consider lynching an assassin. Now suppose you are the dt. What option seems most logical: a) Run as mayor on the basis that you are a strong player an analyzer. Get two bodyguards and claim as dt. b) Claim assassin, making yourself the target of all other assassins. If he were the dt, he would not want to make himself the center of attention day one. His back-up plan was to role claim day 2. What kind of blue does that? On April 13 2011 16:08 Protactinium wrote: Do you really think that in a game without PMs and in a situation where I'm going to get shot tomorrow night by Assassins I'm not going to tell the town that I've found a red? Exactly. Whether your are a dt or an assassin, you are going to tell town you found a red either way. On April 13 2011 16:08 Protactinium wrote: There's honestly nothing else to it: I either claim and prove myself by having Coagulation lynched, thus drawing Medic protection so that I can continue searching, or I die to Assassins Night 2. This pretty much sums it up. Protact lost his gamble. He didn't get elected and now he is forced to fake claim if he wants to survive. Let the assassins take care of him tonight. On April 13 2011 16:08 Protactinium wrote: Combine that with the Kavdragon situation and it's highly unlikely that Coagulation is black. This isn't how a dt talks. He claims to have just checked coag. If that's true its not "Highly unlikely that coag is black", its impossible. Furthermore, he is been taking an extremely aggressive approach. Calling me dumb, telling coag he is an awful player. There is no need for that as a blue. I've been looking at a couple of players, if I have time I might write up an analysis later today. | ||
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I've spoiled some of his more relative posts from the previous two games. They give a good representation of his play style as town. Compare them to this game, where he is playing much more passive. Death Factory Mafia Alignment: Town + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2011 02:49 Rean wrote: Right now you're REALLY making me think you're a DT aligned to mafia. This doesn't prove anything. On March 22 2011 20:43 Rean wrote: Format: Name - alignment - what he claims to be - what his powers have done so far Meapak - dead town - Warp Prism toy, description: + Show Spoiler + The energetic Warp Prism Toy A mystical toy encrusted with a warping stone, you have the ability to swap positions instantly with the toy nearest to you as long as they aren't sharing their queue position with anyone else. You can do this once per day and must do so within the first 12 hours of the day before you run out of energy. Mr. Wiggles - unknown - n.a. - has made alot of posts in favor of town, was supportive of just about everything town has done so far. He's a little bit TO pro-town for my liking, maybe a good target for a DT check? GGQ - unknown - n.a. - Very actively pro-town day 1, hasn't said a damn thing day 2. Some serious scum vibes from him aswell, maybe he got hot feet from darmousseh's plan? Interested hearing his defense. OriginalName - town - has been very quiet all game, confirmed townie by darmousseh. Kenpachi - dead unconfirmed, will flip over at the end of tonight - n.a. - n.a. annul - unconfirmed - claims DT role and claims to be a miller - has given a role name: Twin Boy Toy Dante, shouted out to him in some sort of secret message before darmousseh's plan went into motion, making it likely he's town. not entirely cleared though. bumatlarge - unconfirmed - n.a. - against voting initially, pulled Keifru to see his wall power, but also pushed Annul in the same post without any explanation??? He probably did it to fill up a spot so Keifru would skip that row (since details of Keifru's powers weren't known by then), but just pushing like that without explanation isn't the best idea ever. Is also highly in favor of killing annul day 2, maybe he's mafia and he knows annul is a miller DT and he wants to get rid of him? kitaman27 - town - has been confirmed town, but is extremely aggresive in his play, constantly pushing others to reveal their ability's, pushing them on the defensive, and also gets very aggresive when someone started suspecting him. Honestly, he might've been cleared, but with the way he tries to force others to reveal their roles i'm starting to suspect he might be the Godfather of the mafia team. Keifru - unconfirmed - claims to be Snorlax Toy - he takes up two spots in the queue, it takes two PoP's to move him. So far everything points to this being true, his alignment is still to be found, but behavior inclines me to believe he's town. Insanious - unconfirmed - claims to be a hybrid stalker/vigilante - his claimed role can investigate someone at night, and if they get killed, he gets put within two spots of his killer in the queue. Since darmousseh cleared all possible targets outside of Kenpachi, town used their power to pull Kenpachi near Insanious, and he used his vigilante powers to kill him. His story checks out so he's likely to be speaking the truth, but Kenpachi's flip will confirm it. chaoser - unconfirmed - n.a. - Acts very back and forth day 1, being both pro-town and making some stupid actions pointing him towards being mafia. Day 2 he seems very eager to have annul killed, again, could be that he's mafia and knows that annul is a town DT. darmousseh - town - some sort of mafia radar - He has a ability to turn himself into a mafia radar. Once he activates this he gives up his PoP's for the day, and if he's moved, the radar shuts down again. He needs atleast two town people near him to activate his special power. The radar confirmed annul to be mafia (might be miller though). He confirmed Originalname/Kitaman/RoL/Rean to be town before his ability shut down by being moved, most likely by mafia interference. RoL - town - hasn't claimed powers yet but was confirmed by Darmousseh to be town. GMarshal - unconfirmed - n.a. - Seems pro-town, not very sure about him. Eiii - unconfirmed - claims to be the Hulk Toy : + Show Spoiler + I'm the Hulk toy, my PoPs send people TWO spaces ahead or behind instead of just one. I have another queue-manipulating ability that I can only use twice per game, but I'd rather save that for when the shit really hits the fan. CubEdIn - unconfirmed - no roleclaims, getting some serious town vibes though, but that doesn't confirm anything. Rean - town - hasn't claimed powers yet but confirmed Darmousseh to be town. On March 22 2011 23:31 Rean wrote: .....the fuck? Don't you think you'd want to, maaaaybe, talk that over before you do things like that, and just maybe give some sort of explanation? I mean, what's your reasoning for doing so other than " don't believe him"? On March 22 2011 23:54 Rean wrote: Maybe wait to see what other people think about it? Maybe use his DT ability to check out someone else? You're basically ignoring the arguments in favor of him being town (the unlikeliness of him being a mafia DT, the fact that he tried to reveal himself as a DT before being under pressure with a hidden message and the fact that several of the unconfirmed people seem to favor just killing him despite these arguments), and together with the fact that your entire gameplan seems to consist of "pressure everyone to openly reveal their roles, get as much detail of how their power works" really is making me feel like you're the godfather of the entire mafia gang. On March 23 2011 01:22 Rean wrote: Well, i'd say that right about now: ANYONE WHO POSTS FROM NOW ON, USE YOUR POPS, so we can see if the mafia's ability removes the ability to pop. If you post and don't pop anyone whatsoever, then be ready to either give a damn good reason as to why you didn't pull, or be lynched. On March 23 2011 08:03 Rean wrote: Don't prove you have a power, but prove that you're a townie. NEWSFLASH: Mafia toys have powers to, and powers that mess with the queue sounds very useful for mafia to me. So the options i see currently: - Your power lets you swap position with someone in the queue, meaning that once you're on spot 1 you'll swap yourself with someone to save your ass, or maybe even take a high-power townie and pull him off as soon as you perform the switch. - You're talking out of your ass <--- Leaning towards this one Also, you were promoting putting everyone closer to the fire, and if you do have a role to mess with the queue that'd put everyone in danger. Not something a townie would do. If you can prove you're a townie, right now would be the perfect time to do so. On March 23 2011 09:20 Rean wrote: .....shit, that has to be the worst excuse i've ever seen in my entire life. Honestly, if this was a casino, the odds would be 100 to 1 of you being red right now. -He is actively scum hunting and posting scum lists. -He is presenting plans for town to follow. -He is posting aggressive and confident. Insane Mafia Alignment: Police/Town + Show Spoiler + On March 28 2011 20:52 Rean wrote: 1. Are you calling me scum? 2. Nobody is acting surprised that scum used their power on Lemon, and you would know that if you stopped being a tunneling idiot and actually tried to READ what people are saying >.> Right now you're just tunneling Tackster, completely ignoring any arguments made. That's not helping town at all. On March 28 2011 19:53 Rean wrote: And maybe you should stop for a second and think: why? Role reversal is a powerful ability. Randomly using it on someone, that'd be silly. So they definitely used it on Lemonwalrus for a reason. Now, what could that reason be? Assume Lemonwalrus is scum: they'd be using it on him to make sure that he will not be detected by DT's. A logical thing to do. Assume he's town: they used it on him in the hopes that the DT would check out Lemonwalrus. A long shot, especially considering that Tack was the main suspect, AND that blue's would also want some sort of confirmation that Jackal and Coagulation aren't making a huge mistake trusting each other. However, if Lemon is town, Tackster is almost certainly mafia, and Tackster was sure to get DT'd with all the suspicion around him. So they'd be much better off using it on Tackster instead, to avoid having him being suspected. I'm not to familiar with all the crazy roles mafia could have, but this certainly isn't the work of a framer role (if framer means they can choose someone and he appears as whatever the framer wants to DT checks), because a framer would've simply picked him to show up as town. The only other option is that Lemonwalrus is indeed the Godfather and he picked to show up as blue roles. That could've been either a newbie mistake (he's new afterall), or he choose it to mess with everyone's mind. Either way, i'd say the chances of Lemonwalrus being mafia are much higher then Tackster being mafia. And to top this all off: his item claim seems dodgy to me. All items in this game were balanced to force you to make a choice: use, steal or defend. However, Lemon claims his item is passive. That doesn't fit in at all with the other items, as his vest would be by far the strongest item, since he only has to steal or defend, use happens automatically. I call bullshit on his item claim for exactly these reasons. Conclusion: Lemonwalrus, i accuse thee of being SCUM. On March 28 2011 21:46 Rean wrote: Translation: i'm gonna tunnel the shit out of Tackster, completely ignoring any arguments whatsoever. If you don't like it, deal with it. Such a helpful attitude...... Everyone gets lucky once in a while. If you really are so damn sure that Lemon is town, GIVE US SOLID REASONS. All you've said so far is "dw guys, trust me, i'm pro lol, it's cool". That's nowhere near a good reason. On March 25 2011 05:41 Rean wrote: Alright. Right now i'm in favor of voting Bum, however, with the possibility of a counter-claim scenario where we'd want to elect a different mayor in mind, i fear for the future of town with the current candidates, with Chaoser being the only one guaranteeing the day 1 lynch to be decided by voting. And considering that, from what i've seen, Chaoser is way to impulsive (not sure if that's the word, i mean letting emotions cloud your clear thinking) and arrogant/proud, i don't trust him as a Mayor. Therefore, i'm going to make myself a candidate aswell. - I'm going to decide day 1 lynch by everyone getting 1 vote (obviously including myself), exactly how a normal lynch would go. - I will continue to speak my mind and do the analysis i always do (a person-by-person analysis taking into account everything said regarding/by them). - I will not give my vote to RoL blindly. I realize that i'm rather unknown on TL Mafia, and that DF mafia made me look like a fucking moron the way i let myself get played, but that will NOT happen again. On March 29 2011 03:19 Rean wrote: Alright. So what happened here tonight: First off, tnkted swapped Lemonwalrus and Bum. Therefore, the DT check on Lemonwalrus was redirected to Bum, who returned blue, making the DT check useless. The items: There were 5 item game players alive: Annul stole from Tackster, he got his mood ring. Jackal has had his bandages stolen from him. He seems to have either tried to use them, or was stealing from someone, but was unsuccesful. Coagulation claims he fired at Tackster. Lemonwalrus defended his own item. Tackster stole the bandages from Jackal. Alright, everyone accounted for. Then, the big mystery: who shot who? So the person in this story is more then likely Coagulation. However, he fired his shot at Tackster, not annul! That doesn't make alot of sense. There was also another shot on annul. The money question is: was this from the red or the black party? No way to tell for now. Well, that's weird. The kidnapping part is hard to explain here, maybe a roleblocker? I don't know. However, considering he was a bodyguard, the shot was more then likely fired at the mayor. Funny enough, the mayor was bussed with Lemonwalrus, so the shot must've been either directly on GMarshal (why would they do that?) or it was meant for Lemonwalrus. Mystery's. This indicates a lot of things: 1. Someone failed to shoot someone. Maybe red shot a black, maybe black shot a vigilante, maybe either one shot a medic'd person. Who knows. 2. Someone left gifts. I'm not to familiar with mafia roles but this probably indicates a Mad Hatter role? Not sure. 3. Another PERSON (note how it's not plural) bussed someone. That indicates only one person got bussed. Now, let's figure out who shot who. Avaible shots: Coagulation: 1. Mafia: 2. Black: 1. 1 of the shots failed, 2 of the shots hit annul, 1 shot killed GMarshal the bodyguard. Now, let's look at the following fact: Black has no interest in the item-game. They're already a man down, they lost the item-game and their CEO is dead. They're behind big-time, and speeding up the item-game would only be detrimental to their chances of survival. Let town and mafia fuck around with IG, they can start picking people off. So, there's two possibility's: black fired randomly on GMarshal and got lucky. A chance of 30-1(darmousseh)-1(bum)-5(item-game players) = 1 in 23. I don't like those odds. Possibility two: they fired at the person that survived. Far more likely, they could've fired at a veteran. Then, we have Coagulation's shot. He claims this was fired at Tackster. There was no bus-driver to swap them around, and since Tackster was still alive, this is obviously bullshit. Lying about who you fired on, that's not very nice of you, Coagulation. Care to explain? Finally, there's our mafia shooters. 2 shots. Obviously, they're not gonna hit the same person twice. So their shots were aimed at Annul, and either Lemonwalrus or GMarshal. Annul would make sense, he's an item-game player, and they're thinning the numbers so they can win the item-game. Then, the other shot: this was fired at either Lemon or GM. However, since mafia is so focused on the item-game at this point, it wouldn't make sense to randomly start shooting outside of the item-game. The possibility of them firing at Bum is so retarded i'm not even going to mention it. So, they fired their shots at Annul and Lemonwalrus. Two logical choices at thinning out the item-game. However, due to tnkted's interference, Lemonwalrus was saved. Therefore, the conclusion I draw is the following: Black used their shot to hit somebody that survived the assault. The failed shot in the post. Red used their first shot on Annul, eliminating him. Their second shot killed GMarshal. Either they directly fired at him (VERY unlikely), or they decided to hit Lemonwalrus, and got pwned by tnkted. Coagulation hit annul. Why would he do that? The only explanation in the thread so far has been mind-control, which seems like a long shot to me. However, it's also the only shot, as no-one else can explain what happened. If anyone disagrees with this analysis feel free to say so. -Responds after accusations of being scum -Participates in the mayoral election -Analysis, analysis, analysis Current game + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2011 23:06 Rean wrote: I'm trying out this new scum strategy: lurk really hardcore and only respond every once every 8 or so hours with meaningless posts, while simultaniously posting a ton in another mafia thread, so i can avoid any suspicion. If anyone accuses me: ignore it. Is it working? On April 12 2011 23:10 Rean wrote: Nah, he's my teammate but he's putting the "ask stupid questions and look like a total newbie" method to the test. I'm trying out the strategy I explained above On April 12 2011 23:29 Rean wrote: Don't complain, we want them to kill town so they don't lynch us. We talked over this yesterday, remember? On April 13 2011 17:12 Rean wrote: I'm saying that if he's a assassin, he just made the read on Coagulation because it's pretty easy to see he's scum based on his posting. He's a veteran player after all, it wouldn't be all that far-fetched. Sure, he'd be lying his ass off but he's not actually being detrimental to town so /care. On April 13 2011 17:01 Rean wrote: Yeah, nice try. Except my first mafia game here was Death Factory (townie twin with RoL), second game Insane Mafia 2. As for the Coagulation affair: looking through all of his previous posts, two things really stand out above all: he is extremely paranoid of Prot becoming mayor, freaking out whenever it seems likely that he's being elected only to continue lurking once the threat dies down. Secondly, he has another classic "100% town guys dw had town read all along" read a la Lemonwalrus on GMarshal, despite the fact that alot of people have being pointing out how scummy GMarshal has been all along. I don't know, but I doubt anyone not mafia buddy's with him would trust their reads this much when alot of others are doubting him. Then again, that's what I thought in Insane Mafia 2 aswell and look how that turned out >.> If I had to guess right now, i'd say that both Coagulation and GMarshal are red. Protactinium: I honestly don't fucking know if you're assassin or DT, and quite frankly I couldn't care less. Being a veteran player you could've easily made that read as a assassin. Right now i'd say we lynch Coagulation and if he flips red, medic Prot. If he flips green (doubtful) Prot dies. On April 13 2011 17:35 Rean wrote: That just about seals the deal. Cya Coagulation. Spam -Gives little input to mayoral elections -Responds to accusations with sarcasm -Only pushes lynches that are safe to jump on Conclusion: Scum | ||
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On April 14 2011 10:55 GMarshal wrote: you sir are not a DT, because that is not how DT's funcion in this game. DTs here return a role from which you must infer alignment. You didn't claim your check revealed coag to be a goon or a roleblocker, because you had no way of knowing that that is what you would get back as a dt, you didn't check coag last night because you are an assassin, hence you dont know if he is scum and if he is you dont know what role. Can we now as a town ignore the assassin? Pew Pew | ||
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On April 14 2011 11:30 GMarshal wrote: Well then I guess I have no choice but to claim. I'm a DT. I will *not* reveal who I checked as to not put them into any danger. I was hoping to keep this as a surprise to the scum in the lategame, but I'm not going to let the assassin get away with shit. I assume this means you did not find a scum/assassin day one? | ||
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MetalFace I played with this guy as scum and he was a horrible, horrible lurker. Here are some gems so far: On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote: Ideally we want a townie as mayor. Worst case scenario is mafia get mayor. I'd say a third party getting mayor falls in between these two. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing who is who. On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote: Pretty much, the big power of the mayor is the first day lynch and the subsequent triple vote count. On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote: Also, remember that an assassin mayor is not ideal; a townie mayor is. From his previous game, I think this post speaks a lot to his approach as scum. On October 22 2010 23:08 MetalFace wrote: This is my first time playing and I didn't want to screw myself over by saying something dumb | ||
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On April 14 2011 12:54 MetalFace wrote: Yeah, late night's good for me. Yay college? You think prot is an assassin, yet you want to lynch him. Could you explain why you think that benefits the town? Also, could you please provide at least one other person you would like to see dead, with reasoning? | ||
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On April 14 2011 13:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I forgot I was going to do this at the beginning of the day. >.< Also sticking a vote on GMarshal, so he can be considered a "lynch target", and so if he inexplicably pardons we can carry on his lynch. I'm probably going to continue doing this each day, and if I die, suggest someone else does too. He needs at least one vote on him so he can be considered a "target" in case of random pardons. Wait, what? | ||
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On April 14 2011 13:14 Protactinium wrote: That's not the thing. Look at how far out the Mafia team, GMarshal included, is willing to stick their necks to save Coagulation. Who are these people you are referring to that you believe to be mafia? | ||
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On April 14 2011 23:35 Rean wrote: Scum, tries to add to the analysis of aidnai because the bandwagon isn't really getting along. Upon seeing it fail, he starts a whole new bandwagon: Does this mean you think MetalFace is innocent? On April 14 2011 23:35 Rean wrote: The jewel in this setup. He declares he's somewhat suspicious about me Did that catch your attention way back then? Seems to have been ignored by everyone else. On April 14 2011 23:35 Rean wrote: He then re-inforces his point some more by trying to compare my play to my previous games, being ignorant to the fact that I would never play the same this game since in the other two I was unlynchable and not worried of looking like scum to anyone. Oh I see, so you are worried about looking like scum? Thanks. Nice OMGUS by the way. | ||
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On April 15 2011 00:18 Rean wrote: Of course it did, you were accusing me I didn't just want to be lynched day 1 so I decided to troll around causing some WIFOM, figured it'd both keep me from being sacked day 1 and make it easier for scum to use me as a lynch target to try to switch a bandwagon off scum. Wait what? You're trying to cause some WIFOM to avoid being lynched? How is this pro-town in the slightest? What kind of town worries so much about being lynched, right from the start? | ||
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On April 15 2011 00:36 Rean wrote: The kind of town that doesn't want to be lynched maybe? If you were town would you let yourself get lynched because hey, you're a townie, you're supposed to be okay with being lynched? It's the fact that you prioritize not getting lynched over scum hunting, which worries me. Why does it take someone to call you out for you to be willing to post a scum list or analysis. | ||
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On April 15 2011 01:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote: -Find another scum for lynch Suggestions? | ||
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I want to bring up MetalFace again. Besides Red, the initial argument was largely ignored. + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2011 12:01 kitaman27 wrote: Another person I think we should look at: MetalFace I played with this guy as scum and he was a horrible, horrible lurker. Here are some gems so far: On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote: Ideally we want a townie as mayor. Worst case scenario is mafia get mayor. I'd say a third party getting mayor falls in between these two. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing who is who. On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote: Pretty much, the big power of the mayor is the first day lynch and the subsequent triple vote count. On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote: Also, remember that an assassin mayor is not ideal; a townie mayor is. From his previous game, I think this post speaks a lot to his approach as scum. On October 22 2010 23:08 MetalFace wrote: This is my first time playing and I didn't want to screw myself over by saying something dumb Here are some follow-up posts. On April 14 2011 12:49 MetalFace wrote: Anywho, I think Prot is full of crap. Someone else mentioned it but I think it's true that he is actually just an assassin who is upset he didn't get immunity from becoming mayor, so now he needs a new lie to keep himself alive. I think Lynch All Liars should be applied here and we should just out him now, but apparently other people think differently. There's a lot of pointless arguing right now. Just kill Prot. On April 14 2011 13:11 MetalFace wrote: Prot lied. He either lied about being an assassin or lied about being a DT. I think it's the best policy of the town to lynch anyone who lies. This benefits the town because only townies can tell the truth the entire game. As for who I think we should lynch otherwise, I'd say Rean. aidnai did a pretty nice analysis a while back. I think our next target though should have more to do with the results of Prot's flip and what happens at night. If Prot flips DT, then Coag will have a big sign over his head. If not, then we take a better look at anyone who supports Prot's lying ways. On April 11 2011 12:15 MetalFace wrote: My direction was the implication that people who attacked Protactinium's campaign have scummy motives. On April 14 2011 13:11 MetalFace wrote: If Prot flips DT, then Coag will have a big sign over his head. If not, then we take a better look at anyone who supports Prot's lying ways. He contradicts himself, based on what the popular opinion holds. First, when many people were on board with supporting Prot, he calls his attackers scummy. Now that Prot has been outed, he calls his supporters scummy. In addition, when asked to bring up some lynch candidates, he takes the easy way out by pushing LAL on prot and mentioning Rean, who has already been analyzed by several people. I'm putting my vote on him for the moment. | ||
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On April 15 2011 06:52 LSB wrote: Happy birthday Protactinium! And on a somewhat related note, lets lynch him. I've already explained why he's been lying over and over. I have no idea why people are trying to lynch coag. Why do you keep arguing for lyching Prot. Why waste a lynch when the assassins can take care of him tonight? | ||
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On April 15 2011 06:58 LSB wrote: Cause Coag is a vet, and I'd rather lynch a Assassin over a vet. Wouldn't you rather lynch scum (other than coag), than an assassin? | ||
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On April 15 2011 08:59 DarthThienAn wrote: follow the leader! Yea, looking at the thread, I don't think flamewheel is a DT. Going with LSB because I'd rather not see Coag lynched solely on flamey's call. I wouldn't mind lynching this guy either. | ||
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On April 15 2011 09:23 GMarshal wrote: but if coag were the gf then how would protac know? Are we ignoring the blatant contradctions now? He is a proven liar, he either think coag is black or is praying he guessed right and is a goon to "prove" his claim. But fine, you guys want to be stupid, then I'm not going to stop you. Also Dr.H you thinking I'm town doesn't clear you from answering my analysis even if its "bad" I expect a response tomorrow ^_^ ##Unvote ##Vote: Coagulation If coag flips anything other than "mafia goon" protac, you are toast, so pray to whichever gods you worship. Why people are still listening to a proven liar who is 100% an assassin, I will never understand. Arguing one thing and voting the other? "But fine, you guys want to be stupid, then I'm not going to stop you." Wasn't one of your campaign promises that you wouldn't do this? | ||
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On April 15 2011 10:09 LSB wrote: Wait for Coagulation to flip green, and me to get hit and flip green and wait for people to come back crying to you. Are you claiming green? | ||
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On April 15 2011 10:18 GMarshal wrote: you dont trust the assassin and confirmed liar? SHAME ON YOU! You must be scum! horrible, horrible scum! Trust the liar, NOW! or he might tell the town he DTed you and make you out to be mafia! You're not helping. | ||
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On April 15 2011 10:25 Coagulation wrote: I Think a pardon would clear this whole mess up. Pardon whoever gets lynched Me or LSB And watch assassin flip black tonight. I can assure town he WILL flip black. No. | ||
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On April 15 2011 11:06 GMarshal wrote: It was late, chaoser and GMarshal were sharing a few drinks. Dang it chaoser. Look what you've done! | ||
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On April 15 2011 11:16 GMarshal wrote: Because apparently I need to spell it out. These are principles that transcend this game. There are certain ways the town has to play to play well. There are reasons for LaL, and all my other policies, this isn't about the pardon being anti-town or not. This is about teaching you fools how town should play. If I have to die to prove the point that you are being stupid and playing badly then so be it. At least I will have played correctly. Sometimes its about more than just winning. Are you trying to get on Ver's "TL Mafia Quiz" or something, because this is not the way you do it. | ||
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On April 15 2011 11:19 Coagulation wrote: No hes trying to not let town Mislynch but you guys are too fucking sheep to realize it. No if he was trying to prevent a mislynch he would suggest someone else to lynch. This is martyrdom. How is saving a "vet's" life anywhere close to the importance of a protected dt? | ||
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On April 15 2011 11:55 kevconsim wrote: EVeryone is so mad, besides me, yea, go me!Only scum would be happy with this situation :p | ||
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2nd Place: PARDONER: You are the deputy mayor, but because the mayor is an asshole who hogs all the power, you don't really do much except for one thing: Once per game, you may choose to pardon a lynch target for that particular day. You may invoke the power at any time during the day cycle you choose, and no lynch will happen that day. You enjoy the same bodyguard-protection the mayor has. You are not immune to lynch, and if you are the lynch target, you may not pardon yourself. If he could pardon like this, then he would indeed be immune to lynch. | ||
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On April 15 2011 07:07 LSB wrote: Prot is probably mafia, I've already explained why it is very likely. In addition I don't believe that Metalface has enough on him to call him red. I guess I know why no one else found Metalface suspicious. This post from LSB hints to the fact that he probably knew Metal was clean and unlynchable. I'm willing to give Red, or whoever his replacement is, some degree of credibility for being the only other person that thought something was off with Metal. | ||
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On April 16 2011 10:50 DropBear wrote: It is obvious now that Protactinium's DT claim is a lie. - He claimed to check Coagulation and find mafia - Coagulation was the godfather. There is no way he would have chosen to appear godfather. Protact has pretty much confirmed himself as an assassin for mine. Naw, he's so pro he checked someone else as scum, then accused coag based on his connection to that person. | ||
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On April 16 2011 15:36 AirbladeOrange wrote: If its lurkers you're worried about why do you pick conversion? What about kevconsim, Milkyst, or metalface, to name a few people I would consider lurkers. I'm not sure it's a good idea to start lynching lurkers because it probably won't tell us much whatever role they turn out to be. Metalface is a bodyguard. What's up with Milkyst? He has one post in the entire thread and did not vote during the day 2 lynch. :/ | ||
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On April 17 2011 05:15 Barundar wrote: I highly doubt scum have 2 roleblockers. I suggest we lynch either me or m0nster to clear this up. Are you suggesting that M0nster selected a townie at random to claim to track and hoped that he did not leave his house? Or do you think red is his scum buddy? If the game is stacked with blues, then 2 role blockers is not out of the question. | ||
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First off, while reading through his posts, the amount of 1 line spam was overwhelming. At least 90% are not worthy of posting. On April 10 2011 09:33 kevconsim wrote: honestly i only post when i have something to say... More like you only post when you don't have something to say. On April 10 2011 14:11 kevconsim wrote: I think that Gmarshal should be mayor and protact should be pardoner if he is willing to help us. I will put my vote up later when we determine how we want to vote. Supports GMarshal as mayor. However, rather than voting, he decides to wait until he sees how the town decides to vote. This leaves room for mafia manipulation later on. On April 11 2011 07:49 kevconsim wrote: I think i have decided that the safe bet is too put gmarshal in their. ##Vote Gmarshal for mayor On April 11 2011 09:20 kevconsim wrote: The reason i voted for Gmarshal as follows: 1. I have played with Gmarshal and both of us being town. He is playing the same exact way. More support for GMarshal On April 11 2011 09:27 kevconsim wrote: Why do you suspect them. Maybe Mafia isnt running for mayor. Maybe they are losing the vote. Just because there are a lot of players voting for someone to be mayor that doesnt mean that they are necessarily scum On April 11 2011 10:08 kevconsim wrote: I trust Gmarshal more than you... On April 11 2011 10:15 kevconsim wrote: i dont think there is a scum bandwagon for GM. I think people trust him more. I think other people who havent played before are seeing others endorse him and jumping on. Defends GMarshal's campaign even further. On April 12 2011 08:04 kevconsim wrote: I am trusting Doc. H alot more now. after what i have seen him posting. But i tend to trust Gmarshal more because this is exactly how he played in 37 albeit a little more aggresive this game but not much. I think that we should have G as Mayor and Doc H as pardoner. Or Doc H as Mayor and G as Pardoner. I would be fine with either of those. Just noticed that they were tied so i think im going to put Doc H as mayor. ##unvote Gmarshal ##Vote Doctor Helevetica BAM. A complete swap in position. After continuously posting about how much he trusts GMarshal, he switches to DrH when he realizes GMarshal is getting elected either way. Seems like he is trying to separate himself. On April 12 2011 08:15 kevconsim wrote: Why would you kill him. What if he is a medic or a dt? A very concerned response when he thinks DrH wants to lynch Serejai On April 12 2011 08:23 kevconsim wrote: hes never played before... He said that... Why would you lynch someone who has a role. We will know if he is mafia after tonight. More of the same. On April 12 2011 14:27 kevconsim wrote: Lets say there is 8 mafia men. and 3 assassins (idk how many but i that was the number people were saying. that is 11 non town people. there are 28 others for DOC H to Lynch. That means that he has a 11/39(28.2051282%) chance of getting an assassin or scum. Knowing that Protact is an alleged assassin means that he wont hit him so it becomes 10/38(25.6410256%) Basically he had a 1/4 chance of hitting a scum. He missed big deal that doesnt mean much. Some of Kav's posting looked bad to him he had a gut feeling and went for it and missed. This just means hes gonna work harder. My 2 pennies Sincerely, Kevconsim Immediately sucks up to DrH after the mislynch. This is right after DrH said that he would be suspicious of anyone that called him out for the kav lynch. On April 12 2011 14:34 kevconsim wrote: i have an idea Watch protact so that if someone kills him you can out that they are assasins so there are less random kp's in the game. Directing the blues to watch non-scum. Interested in killing off the assassins, which is in line with mafia's goals. On April 13 2011 12:57 kevconsim wrote: Well earlier he said that he thought i was scum and i have said nothing since then and now he doesnt think im scum... Thats dumb I have no idea what to make of this. He seems far too eager to defend himself. On April 13 2011 16:10 kevconsim wrote: ##VOTE COAGalation(coagulation) I can agree with what he says. Wish i would have voted for you now... Oh, maybe I was wrong about you? On April 15 2011 10:12 kevconsim wrote: I am a little bit confused right now. SO MUCH ARGUING + I am sick. Everyone seems scummy. ##Unvote ##Vote Protactnium LOL JK. Can't vote for your godfather. On April 15 2011 11:55 kevconsim wrote: EVeryone is so mad, besides me, yea, go me!Has absolutely no reaction to the fact that GMarshal wants to pardon coag. A normal townie would be going crazy by now. On April 15 2011 13:55 kevconsim wrote: wait so he was scum? * Gasp On April 16 2011 09:40 kevconsim wrote: I am gonna be honest i didnt think gmarshal was scum. Well i guess that makes me look scummy oh well. Signs of guilt by association. Conclusion: Scum kevconism has been one of the most vocal supporters of GMarshal, displayed scummy behavior and has made absolutely no attempt to scum hunt. | ||
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On April 17 2011 14:55 M0nsterChef wrote: The first night I tracked RedFF , he didn't go anywhere. Second night I was roleblocked. Who did you attempt to target? | ||
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There are several players who are posting in other games, but not this one which concerns me. I'm not sure how you can put Zorkmid on your recently active list. He has one post this game and has had more than enough time since being replaced. The fact that he was excited about joining the game and then fails to contribute is a bit suspicious. | ||
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On April 18 2011 01:42 chaoser wrote: and what was milkyst? A new player that lost interest? fact of the matter is that we have 5 days to do lynch the mafia. I say lynching off a few inactives will help us a great deal. If it counts for anything, milkyst was on my scum list. I obviously would like to hear from jaminz, its just I think the lynch could be better used elsewhere. Just because we have 5 lynches, doesn't mean we can afford to waste any of them. On April 18 2011 01:42 chaoser wrote: what are your thoughts on the inactives? Top 4 mafia choices? kevconism, for reasons I've already stated, and DarthThienAn, for making no attempt whatsoever to help town. How about you? You group individuals based on activity, but I'm not sure how useful it is without analysis. Which 2, besides jaminz, would be your top targets? | ||
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On April 18 2011 02:38 chaoser wrote: why was milkyst on your scum list? he posted 1 line and then voted redff for mayor by accident. Jaminz voted to put Dr. H into office and then voted to lynch Dr. H on Day 2 saying it was a placeholder vote. They're both dead weight. Because no one was pushing for milkyst. Scum would usually jump on an opportunity to call out a lurker with one post. I guess I would just rather go after someone who has a case against them. | ||
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On April 18 2011 03:24 kevconsim wrote: I agree i look very scummy. That was because i had strong town reads of Gmarshal so i was confused. I didnt think serjai was trolling at the beginning i though he had never played before. How about you address the fact that you haven't attempted to scum hunt the entire game? | ||
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On April 18 2011 03:29 chaoser wrote: can you link me to your analysis of kev though? maybe i'll change my mind when I read it Previous page. | ||
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On April 18 2011 03:44 kevconsim wrote: I did try to pressure redff but i am not that good at scum hunting. It was around page 60 or so i think. This? How can you pressure someone that you think is town and want to vote for as mayor? On April 11 2011 09:36 kevconsim wrote: just letting u know red i believe you to be town just as much as gmarshal but i cant vote for you because your not running. Even if you don't think you are good at scum hunting, doesn't mean you shouldn't try. | ||
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On April 18 2011 07:54 TranceStorm wrote: I'm going to vote for jaminz for today's lynch. Mig's post on jaminz is especially incriminating for me on jaminz' remarkable change in posting behavior. Considering how helpful he seemed to be in the previous game that Mig spotted (Haunted Mafia), you would expect that jaminz would contribute a little more in the current circumstances. jaminz is a much stronger candidate than kevconsim for me. Reading from his previous games, his contribution always seems to be rather limited which makes him an extremely uncertain lynch target in my opinion. On the issue of the roleblocks, I think we should wait another day before we make any judgments on whether m0nster or Barundur are lying. It seems especially strange that the number of people roleblocked should go from 1 to 2 (it seems far more likely for 2 people to have been roleblocked on the first night and only 1 on the 2nd night considering the collection of hits between the assassins). If there are indeed 2 roleblockers, why would they choose to not roleblock on the first day? It's possible they had a strong blue read on one of their night one targets, like Pandain, and both hit and roleblocked someone. | ||
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On April 18 2011 10:17 Kenpachi wrote: (But honestly, neither one seems alll that suspicious) Is that because you have the scum list? | ||
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I'd prefer to keep that secret for now. Was anyone role blocked last night? | ||
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DrH you are quickly losing any town cred you once had. Absent day 2, pushing suspicion on bum right after I claim watcher and pushing a weird policy lynch on Barundar. What happened to our spammy leader? | ||
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On April 20 2011 00:20 bumatlarge wrote: Oh and I protected kitaman night 1. U MY BRUDDER! <3 | ||
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On April 20 2011 00:32 DropBear wrote: ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/mirror/smilies/frusty.gif) Got any suggestions for who should go next? | ||
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On April 20 2011 01:17 DropBear wrote: Hey. Don't compare me to him. That's seriously offensive. You have no idea how pissed at him I am. I'll explain after the game. Things behind the scenes were actually very complicated. Complicated? Story time! I would like to point out how successful my electoral run was in catching scum. Clearly no townie in their right mind would vote for me. Mafia pardoner? Check Winning Assassin? Check Mafia Role Blocker? Check I knew I shouldn't have ignored all that discussion on who should be night hit at my rally | ||
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On April 20 2011 01:27 DropBear wrote: I'll wait til the end for story time. I've been writing up a big explanatory post since after the day 2 lynch. Want me to proof read? | ||
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On April 20 2011 01:33 DropBear wrote: Everyone should join FPL btw, I came 21st in my first go for Winner's League, going for top ten this time! I bet you picked  Action. | ||
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On April 20 2011 04:57 Kenpachi wrote: ilovejonn Darth thats really much it. cant suspect anyone else Would you mind trying to write up an argument against ilovejonn? | ||
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Its weird that the role blocks went from 2 to zero. Did they just RB their night hit targets or something or have one of the inactives not spoke up yet? Also, are we going to have the vig that shot last night claim to confirm they are town? | ||
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On April 20 2011 11:07 DarthThienAn wrote: ##Vote: Dropbear Are you sure you wouldn't rather put a placeholder on bum, while you think about it, darth? | ||
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On April 21 2011 10:07 chaoser wrote: BTW, AO, if you're going to claim something, should claim tonight and tell us why you think jaminz isn't mafia so mafia needs to worry about hitting multiple targets that will be protected/watched/tracked/etc. Actually, I think it would better the other way around. | ||
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As for tonight, I'll either watch bum or a bodyguard, bum should probably protect me or someone who is pro-town, and any other watchers or medics should visit me/bum. That way if mafia wants to role block or kill one of us, they're going to have to pay with one of their three remaining members. If they don't want to take the risk, then they won't have a clear idea who else to hit. On April 15 2011 13:02 DropBear wrote: This is still trolling and useless. What's with all the random capital letters spelling your name? You're sheeping because you're scum with GMarshal. Not really relevant, but did anyone notice DropBear did not reveal the full hidden message? I wonder if that was on purpose :p I would suggest everyone take a look through DropBear's posts to see if anything stands out. | ||
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On April 21 2011 11:24 ilovejonn wrote: Still 3 hours til night. This is getting boring fast. This lynch was way too easy. Look how fast he was bandwagoned. I'm guessing he's town. | ||
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On April 24 2011 11:01 Mig wrote: gg guys was definitely fun. Kita, chaoser, bum, barundar all played really well. Also I want to say sorry to GGQ 2nd night I debated for a long long time on who I should protect and I almost saved him thinking they might be targeting the less obvious people. But ended up just going the safe route and protecting bum. lol bum had 3 blues on him day 1. He's that pro. Two of the three nights jaminz and I on were on the same person :p | ||
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On April 24 2011 12:32 GMarshal wrote: Anyway, I dont mind the screwup with the pardoner, mistakes happen, the important part of it is that we learn from them. If its any consolation, I like this new pardoner quite a bit, and I'd like to see it in another game, its fun to have in there, although I'd prefer that it lynch the runner up rather than end the day entirely. I'm still kinda confused on how the pardoner ability was supposed to work. It said in the description the pardoner was not immune to lynch, but from how BrownBear described it, it sounds like it would be impossible to lynch the pardoner with his pardon in hand. Just curious, why the dt claim? Did you have plans for it? Seems tough to pull off. | ||
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On April 25 2011 02:29 urashimakt wrote: Actually, after finishing the thread, apparently LemonWalrus was also a mafia hit. So my bullet just disappeared and never came back. lol that means you still had your shot to use. | ||
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