EPT##VOTE: Protactinum for mayor
And I don't know how you guys think you're voting for a pardoner. Pardoner is the first loser in the mayor race. Stop voting for a pardoner cause you aren't voting for anybody. That race doesn't exist.
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Jackal58
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##VOTE: Protactinum for mayor And I don't know how you guys think you're voting for a pardoner. Pardoner is the first loser in the mayor race. Stop voting for a pardoner cause you aren't voting for anybody. That race doesn't exist. | ||
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Jackal58
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On April 11 2011 00:29 redFF wrote: I think having an assassin in a protected position such as mayor would be good for reasons stated before. e.g. Having essentially 2 extra lynches(assuming he cooperates). But, if he doesn't actually get mayor or pardoner then we shouldn't waste a doctor on assassin kp, but instead should focus on blocking mafia kp on confirmed blues and greens. There is only 1 good reason to make him mayor. Denial of services to scum. That reason alone should be enough to make everybody vote for him. The mayor role at endgame will decide who wins. If scum have it they autolynch town we lose. If town have it there is still the chance of a mislynch. I'm more comfy with that scenario but I still see it as problematic. If GMarshall is mayor that percentage of mislynching goes up exponentially.  The best case scenario is having no mayor to fuck things up at endgame. Using his dt ability and two extra kp directed by town are both town pluses. Having a mayor that meets his win condition and leaves early is also a plus. It totally removes another uncertainty from the game. | ||
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On April 11 2011 01:18 Barundar wrote: Honestly Jackal, you want to leave our first lynch to be decided by a non-town player? We have a role in the pardoner that gives him the protection he needs to act as vigi for him, and pardoner is more of a mafia role than a town role anyways. He can have that, but mayor is too powerful to let a third party have. I agree that it's great to have a non-scum player in office, but it's not irrelevant that Protactinum has a different win condition. For Protactinum to win, he needs to prolong the game untill he have killed all the other assassins. If town is too far ahead, it will be in his interest to slow us down, and vice verca when scum is ahead. Since he will work against us when we are ahead, he will not win the game for us, no matter how great an analyst he is. His hands are basically tied on the lynch. He votes for who town puts forth or he gets lynched. He is in a lylo on day 1. If it gets to the point where we are that far ahead that he's a detriment to town we no longer need him anyways so again he's in a lylo. He is forced into being pro town or losing. | ||
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On April 11 2011 02:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: this is exactly what the mafia wants btw a mayor who they can manipulate, force his votes to go the way they want to get him lynched (waste of town KP on a useless role like assassin and also ridding town of mayor). I think scum want to be mayor first and foremost. | ||
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On April 11 2011 02:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: yeah and having an assassin mayor is really the next best thing And having a scum mayor is the worst case scenario for town. And I'm aware that Protactinum may be scum not assassin. If he is he has balls bigger than he's already been given credit for. I honestly think towns best interest in this is to keep scum from getting the mayors seat. | ||
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On April 11 2011 03:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: 1)protact isn't town 2)he has no incentive to do anything for us 3)a mayor that does whatever "Town" tells him to do out of fear of lynch is a TERRIBLE mayor 4)protact could just as well be making a very ballsy scum bluff imo the mayor should be me or Gmarshal. I get the strongest town read from Gmarshal right now. We shouldn't be so petrified of having a mafia mayor that we elect a worthless third party mayor. We have no incentive to keep protact alive, he has no incentive to help us, we're basically just discarding the role of mayor out of fear. I don't understand this. You admit protact could very well be scum yet you're voting for him because you just want a non-scum mayor. I think our focus should be getting a pro-town mayor. GMarshal are you going to lynch kavdragon/mib if you're elected? PLease do Actually I haven't officially voted for anybody yet. On April 11 2011 03:47 GMarshal wrote: Also, @Dr.H I'm willing to consider a kav lynch, if you provide me with solid reasoning, I have a 70% town read on kav atm, can you point out what he has said that makes you think he is scum? It dosn't have to be terribly detailed, just the salient points of why. As of right now the two lurker lynches I am considering are jackal and wiggles, I'd like to hear thoughts for and against. How the fuck am I lurking????? Tell ya what man. I'll vote for you for mayor and you post a list of everybody you think is town so we can fucking lynch them. | ||
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On April 11 2011 04:03 kitaman27 wrote: It should also be noted that mafia wants an assassin in office. Think about all the unnecessary distraction and chaos it would cause. Focus will be put on whether or not to lynch our pardoner when he starts acting up, rather than hunting scum. Scum want scum in office. Either townie or assassin is a detriment to them. Assassins don't want an assassin in office. They would prefer scum over townie. Townies don't want scum in office. Townies want non scum in office. Doesn't matter to me if it's an assassin or a townie. I just think their is a higher probability of truth in the assassins claim than any of the other candidates. | ||
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On April 11 2011 04:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: so i can see you don't really have the towns best interest in mind. noted. Bullshit. If you took a minute to stop swinging your dick around you'd see more than a spray of smegma. You're either assassin or scum. I'm leaning towards assassin. On April 11 2011 04:19 GMarshal wrote: The fuck? AO, you are making absolutely no sense. @Jackal, yes I *did* fuck up in XXXVII, but do I get no credit for guessing enough of the scum team day 1 in Insane 2 to make them kill me? Also as far as your lurking goes, I've only seen you make 4-5 real posts... Wtf makes you think in any way shape or form that I'm lurking????? If it's because my first post wasn't until this morning blame BB for starting the game early. Sorry but I have to sleep sometime. Since I got up I've been posting all over this bitch. | ||
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On April 11 2011 04:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Town wants town in office. I don't care if protactinium dies and neither should you. I want a town player in office, I'm sorry if you're not good enough to get a town read on someone who is running. So because I don't want an assassin mayor therefore i am assassin/scum good logic. oh wait no it isnt If he's not elected I don't give two shits about him. He won't last night 1. And your pro town reads got you far in mini mafiaV when node played you like a baby grand. So don't try to pass off your exceptional ability to differentiate. Scum want scum in the mayors seat. That is the only 100% truth. | ||
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On April 11 2011 04:51 The_Roist wrote: I've never seen a game get so worked up over a ninja/witch hunt before. Never one that the town has won anyway... We always brawl on day 1. | ||
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On April 11 2011 05:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: pandain is a special kind of idiot well at least we can be a duo of reason trying to push the town onto scumhunting doctorhelvetica/coagulation '11?? The scum and scummier platform???? | ||
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On April 11 2011 05:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i think you're red too so this is cute I'm fucking Joe McCarthy compared to you. But you're right. This is rapidly turning into a shit fest of an epic magnitude. I'll say right now that there is no fucking way in hell I will vote for Pandain. His forays into elected office always end in town getting raped. | ||
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He'll die happy. Scum will be happy. Assassins will be happy. Town will be happy. Game over. | ||
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On April 11 2011 06:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: This is the big tl;dr post where I explain all my thoughts I think I've done all the poking and prodding I can. We're in a sticky situation and we need to make the best of it. So I'll lay out my platform simply. -Protactinium should NOT be mayor. The mayor role is designed to be very helpful to either town/mafia depending on who gets it. Our goal is not to simply have non-scum as mayor, our goal is to have town as mayor. Why? More votes. Protactinium has no interest in who is lynched, he will simply vote the way the "town" wants him to so that he is not lynched himself. This is bad. Huh? Shouldn't the mayor use his votes the way the town wants? No, because the town is quite often wrong. Mafia will manipulate/split bandwagons and then try to influence the mayor to pad the lynch they want. The mayor should always vote for the person HE thinks is scum. The mayor should act autonomously and vote based on his own thoughts and instincts. An autonomous third party mayor is a terrible idea, an autonomous town-aligned mayor is not. -I'm okay with Protactinium being Pardoner. This will give him some protection and allow us to threaten him into using his DT check/kill power where we want it. The pardoner power is pretty insignificant compared to the mayoral power and I suppose we could make some use of him. As long as our focus is using proactinium to find scum NOT using him to find other assassins. -Pandain is stupid and bad. You should never roleclaim DT day 1 and he is essentially using his role to hold us hostage into voting for him. This makes perfect sense if he is godfather and it makes even more sense if he is on a scumteam with Protactinium. Unfortunately, DT is probably the most valuable town role and I really hate the idea of just letting him die. Pandain is a terrible scumhunter and is bad at almost every aspect of the game and the idea of him in a leadership position makes my skin crawl. I would be okay if he was pardoner and no one took him seriously/listened to him by accident. -This idea that you can't scumhunt on day 1 is retarded. That's my favorite bad point to make when I'm mafia. yeah the game is designed on the assumption that town mislynches on the first day. But we should all absolutely be focused on figuring out who is scum, who isn't. What is each persons motivation. WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH BY POSTING THIS. that's the question you should ask! Not: -what contradictions do they make (townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia) i'm gonna repeat that 100 times for emphasis: townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafiatownies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafiatownies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafiatownies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafiatownies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafiatownies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia Okay. These are scenarios I am somewhat comfortable with: Mayor/Pardoner: Myself/Protactinium Gmarshal/Protacinium Gmarshal/Pandain Scenarios I prefer: Myself/Pandain Myself/Coagulation Myself/Gmarshal Gmarshal/Myself Gmarshal/Pandain Pandain might be the DT. Give him a worthless role like pardoner and watch him closely. I don't want to throw the DT away or waste medics on someone like him. Who I feel comfortable lynching and why: Kavdragon - His posts after role PMs were sent were designed to do two things. To seem as pro-town and helpful as possible and to contribute nothing at all. Lots of obvious "advice" and redundant bullshit. When called out he becomes defensive and tries to turn the tables on me. Not good. However kavdragon is a useful player if town, this is a risky lynch choice but I have a strong scum read on him. mib - Same deal. Tries to "contribute" but says nothing at all. Regurgitates talking points from previously in the thread and has a bad excuse to explain why that is. He's a new player and mostly inactive so lynching him should be no big loss if he's town anyway. So that's my thoughts. My plan is to have myself as mayor, I will disregard everything the town says completely, and to have pandain as pardoner so if he is DT he doesn't die. If bodyguards start dying, lynch pandain. He's an idiot so it won't be long before he fucks up if he faked his roleclaim, so I feel pretty safe about that. You piss me off with almost every post. You remind me of me. I'll second your first option. You as mayor. Protactinium as pardoner. Your second option isn't too shabby either. | ||
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Jackal58
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On April 11 2011 06:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i'm the most calm and collected person here[/QUOTE]And I'm the fucking easter bunny. | ||
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On April 11 2011 07:23 GMarshal wrote: curiously town lynched takster on a phrase just like this in insane 2. Did you read the part of my campaign where I tell people to provide reasons? Specifically the part about we ignore people who don't explain their reasons? Was a hell of a plan no?? On April 11 2011 07:24 redFF wrote:Yeah i think it's an easy lynch and if he is red we have a huge advantage, can't really see anyone else i 100% want to lynch except pandain. And it's deliciously ironic that this post immediately followed. | ||
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On April 11 2011 08:00 TranceStorm wrote: I think the support for GMarshal is a bit suspicious at the moment. Everyone seems to justify their vote for GMarshal on the basis that he is the most pro-town and that argument is thrown around alot. But it seems like alot of people are sheeping to his side without alot of justification for why. Personally, I think that Dr. H has been the most town to me because of his aggressive approach. I don't think any mafia would want to make that aggressive of a start at the beginning of a game - they'd rather appear more passive to the town. Would a mafia risk making that many contradictions at the beginning of a game? Dr. H's accusations seem a bit erratic and scattergun and may cause trouble later down the road, in my opinion he is the most town out of all the candidates making him the safest choice for me. | ||
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