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On March 28 2011 20:00 Rean wrote: He knew that you were gonna shoot Tack, he had nothing to fear from your gun. And stealing it would make it very obvious that either Jackal or himself were scum, since they were the only 2 knowing you had the gun rather then Jackal. On the other hand, he knows that if his team just busses annul and Tackster he could easily put all the blame on Tackster. The obvious choice there would be to let you keep it. Agh you ninjad my answer!! BTW I said this earlier... Anyways posting from college so shhh!! | ||
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Ok to be honest guys I'm really confused - i don't know all the roles in forum mafia (mind control?) and while I accept tnkteds bus theory i'm a bit confused as to the logic after it... So I'm going to read all this for like the third time and get back to you with one of my thought out posts that Jackal and Coag keep saying have no content... But the important thing: I did not know that mood ring had been stolen until I got a PM from LSB: From: LSB Banking Subject: Correction Date: 3/28/11 22:54 Correction to the last PM. I forgot to take in account Annul's actions. Oh No! Your mood ring was stolen, at least you have the bandages. Current Items Bandages- Yay Medic! You got Bandages. You can use it protect someone at night, including yourself! This was sent to me at 22:54. My last post is at 20:17. I did not have this information at the time!! LSB posted the mood ring information out at 22:56 - 2 min after he PMd me. LSB can you please confirm for the game players that I was working off of incorrect information up until my last post? I think as I had no knowledge and this was an innocent mistake I should be cleared of any allegations that I hid the mood ring info from the game Well I hope that clears that up and I'll get back to analysis! | ||
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On March 29 2011 02:14 Jackal58 wrote: Unless the scum element has managed to infiltrate my beer supply not very likely. I love how everybody is all aboard the mind control bus. All that doesn't matter anyway. Coag said that if I flipped green he would assume you were the red. therefore you haven't confirmed each other if it is possible for you to be red... Assuming you confirmed each other coag would have said lemon... | ||
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If any blues or greens can somehow PM me please do so as soon as possible so I can out this information. If there are suggestions on another way I can let bum know please tell me. I'm not sure if this info is worth outing in case mafia get it so let me know before I have to decide to out it or not. I got this information by asking LSB a question in PM that I don't believe anyone else has asked. While it concerns the IG it does not concern any actions or persons in the game - only the IG mechanics. | ||
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BTW @LSB The OP links to day 1 is broken. Night 1 is labelled as Day 1. Whoops! Now i'm going to start giving what information I see as important/we should read into. I'm not bothering with other peoples POV, etc. cos im tired and just want to get this out. Night 0: - we got no real information except that Pandain may be the mysterious 'real' mayor Day 1: - Arbor day shootings were referenced. I wiki'd it as I haven't heard of it before. Found nothing of interest. Though it was a clue but it probes isn't. - Crim activity: Low <---- wtf is this??? Night 1: - Bum is mayor - Darmo is black CEO (IN YO FACE!!!) - Darmo lost role checker. We'll get it later  - Crim activity: small <---- I'm starting to think this is a timer… I'm scared…. Day 2: - People aren't using their items well - Only 1 person used item - Item user shot annul by accident - Annul received 2 shots - GMarshal was kidnapped by someone - GMarshal was shot by someone - Someone's kill didn't go through - Someone's leaving 'gifts' - Bus was definitely used - The true mayor is returning <----- What kind of religious shite is this???? - Crim activity: Significant <---- We're all gonna die!!!! Results of Day 2: - GMarshal was town kingdom BG - GMarshal knew 'king' and the other BG - GMarshal was Mayors BG - Annul was a mafia miller - Annul had a hot potato - it was destroyed FOREVER so forget about using it - Annul stole my mood ring - I stole Jackals bandages | ||
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I don't know what this real mayor thing is about. Somebody start guessing. People aren't using their items well = Lemon. He 'used' his vest which was unnecessary Only one person used item = Coag by process of elimination Item user shot annul by accident = Coag Someone's leaving gifts = Hatter probs pro-town Bus was definitely used PROBABLY is tnkted Now let's assume that tnkted bussed bum and lemon as he said. Lemon turned up blue to the blue circle. That seems to confirm this. A shot failed last night. It is possible that the fail was on lemon and bussed to Bum. This is probably a red shot as black has no interest in the IG 2 shots turned up on annul. Given the way Coag's shot at annul was phrased it is EXTREMELY believable that a mind control was used or a similar ability. This explains that post PERFECTLY. However annul was shot again. As black have no interest in the IG this was either red or black. This also makes sense as far as the potato is concerned. We only found out the potato was destroyed on Day 2! This means that if annul was bussed by someone that night they could still realistically believe the potato would kill them. However it would not kill a mind control style power. Now Coag claimed that in a PM with LSB the host confirmed his gun was the town's KP. My problem is that as coag has been so willing to believe unconfirmed crap and lied before he might lie about this. So we need to take it with a pinch of salt. Anyway assuming this was the town KP then the 2 red KP are accounted for. If the 2 red KP are accounted for and the green KP then the black KP was used on either GMarshal or Kav. Let's put this on the burner for a second. I think there is a mason circle which is the 'town kingdom'. It HAD 2 BGs and a king that behaved similarly to mayor. They probes can PM each other. The way GMarshals Role n1 is phrased: Hey Guess what? You're also the mayor's bodyguard! Big surprise yes? So to me this means that either it wasn't surprising this happened and that bum is also the 'king'. Or this is unlikely to happen and GMarshal was a BG in 2 circles!!! Let's keep this in mind. Now GMarshal was targeted twice. Once with a kidnapping and once with a shot. Given we have a good idea of his role while he was valuable he had no 'powers' as such. Because of this I imagine whoever kidnapped him did not role check him (when they would have role checked I don't really know anyway as only 1 night passed with powers in play. So it seems obvious that he was kidnapped and shot by 2 different factions. Kidnapping is such a scummy description that I'm sure it must have been black/red. As red is focussed on the IG a shot on GMarshal is unnecessary. I feel Red Jailed him as they had feelings he was a PR. This implies that Black shot GMarshal. This implies that either Kav was hit by an ability independent of KP or he is lying. That's my assessment on the shots so far. | ||
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Kav said he can prove if I stole: Kavdragon United States. March 28 2011 14:02. Posts 572 If I could provide proof that he stole the item, would the town decide that he is scum based off of that? (I'm not saying that he has or hasn't, only that I can find out.) This implies kav either: - Is a Vet AND can check item steals (wtf?) - Is on a PM circle where someone can make the check (still unlikely) - Is lying again This isn't looking good Kav - please reply to this. Next the Alignment PM I got was the sit tight one. I never got the twiddle your thumbs one. Therefore the twiddle your thumbs one was NOT sent out to all item game players. Look at how it's phrased: You are just a townie minding your own business. Twiddle your thumbs, try to seem clean or something. This seems to be a hint that annul is the miller. However Tnkted claimed to have received 2 alignment PMs. The sit tight one and the thumb twiddling one. If this is true this implies that Tnkted is both a driver AND a miller??? I don't see how that would happen… People have been mentioning that both Lemon and I are new and therefore can't come up with this amazing information. Remember that if Lemon is red he doesn't need to come up with squat - his red PM circle can tell him exactly what to do!! Is anyone going to consider a recruiting role? With this black could still win the IG. However LSB did state there were no traitors so I can't be sure. Lastly I absolutely have to point out how horrible coagulations play is: Coagulation United States. March 28 2011 15:30. Posts 4644 we decided if we just shot tackster there would be no need for confirmation when he flips red! He's saying why does he need to confirm Jackal or Lemon when he can just shoot me to confirm them… What a retarded load of shite Coag…. Ok - I'm off. Let's see what tomorrow brings!! | ||
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Red hit annul and Kav Red kidnapped GMarshal Black hit Gmarshal Green shot me OR: Red hit annul and GMarshal Black kidnapped GMarshal Blacks kill failed for some unexplained reason Kav is lying... | ||
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This whole stun-gun scenario has come up that somehow confirms 100% that I am scum… I don't see how this is true (in fact I know it isn't true) but everyone seems to have given up at this point and is just going with whatever is easiest… It's very sad that being active will lead people to be lazy but anyway here are some points: I DID think that jackal had the gun. Therefore it was assumed that when the mafia 'bussed' or 'controlled' coag they knew he had the stun-gun... Then the whole stun gun scenario came out. The assessment of this scenario is wrong: Coagulation claimed his stun gun. His made-up stun gun stuns anyone WHO VISITS HIM not anyone he visits!! So between bussing and controlling: 1. So if him and annul are bussed the only people that can visit coagulation ARE THE PEOPLE WHO VISITED ANNUL. - Why shoot annul and then bus annul and coag instead of just shooting coag if red did both? - If black did the bussing then they knew that red were visiting annul and wanted to muddy the waters! Blue knew red visited annul so it's all possible! But if black bussed then how am I scum? 2. If instead he was mind controlled to visit annul this does not count as annul visiting him and therefore the stun gun would not stun anyone! - Why is this good for me if I'm scum? - How does this imply I am scum anyway?? The only reason that this makes me scum is that scum made the same assumption I did - Jackal had the gun. But from the above if red thinks jackal has the gun then trying to misdirect cogs stun gun is USELESS!! So red has in no way played as though they thought Coagulation had the stun--gun. HOW IS THIS NOT OBVIOUS TO EVERYONE??? | ||
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On March 29 2011 07:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: No, I'm just making a joke, because there's "rumors of the true mayor", and some kind of kingdom, so I think they're related and the "ruler" is the "true mayor", but Tackster posted that he thinks Pandain might be the "true mayor" when he isn't even in the game. :p I was just saying the character Pandain played in the Night 0 post could be the real mayor, not that pandain was himself in this game. | ||
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On March 29 2011 09:08 Lanaia wrote: Yeah, people who aren't in the game who keep posting are confusing people. See: Tackster. I'm tired of the lack of activity from most people. I know there are a few who are obviously not inactive, but I'm really bothered by it. It's things like that which make people like me unable to read others. I know we can't just assume all of those people are scum (I'm sure not EVERY scum would lurk). Also I think there's more than 10 lurkers. @LSB Are you prodding/notifying people who are inactive or at least threatening them for being inactive? What's the See: Tackster about? Are you claiming i'm not in the game? | ||
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On March 29 2011 09:24 Kavdragon wrote: Firstly I retracted my statement about being able to figure out if you stole an item. It was never about an ability, or access to someone through PM, only logic. Hence my "Nevermind, I have fail logic" post. The rest of your points are implications based off of assumptions that are not true. I didn't lie about being hit. I basically assumed you could have lied because of that post. So i'll retract that that post makes you look scummy. Also I posted scenario's in which you didn't lie. Seeing as you retract that post I retract the scenarios where you may have lied. Without clearing you obviously | ||
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On March 29 2011 09:29 bumatlarge wrote: Nice tnk, that explains a lot. Let's see what I can do. My DT: Checked Lemon, switched with me and came back as that. Makes perfect sense because that is my role. I believe that explains any FoS we could have had against him. He is no longer a suspect. I WAS NOT HIT LAST NIGHT Scum KP: Red's hit annul. Simple as that, I could explain it but then I would have to kill you. Black/red hit GMarshal and Kav. Kav is alive, GMarshal is dead. Coag KP: Used on tackster. Did not die. Bus already used, so he had to be protected. He clearly did not use his item, because coagulation says he did, which was the only item used, plus tackster should have claimed he used the item. IIRC, he never claimed a hit. If you want to live tackster you need to answer this post. Lemon is no longer a bigger suspect then you. Yes explain to me how this makes sense... #1 Just because you didn't DT check lemon doesn't clear him of being scum #2 You claim that if Coag was controlled onto annul then i'm 'protected'. This is only if I thought coag had gun. Therefore you are working outside of the 'scum thought he had a stun gun scenario'. If we are working inside that scenario then I was never protected - all that happened was that red tried to stun annul AND shoot him. But the stun wouldn't have gone through because Coag said that the item stuns people that visit coag. Therefore this scenario could not have happened... | ||
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On March 29 2011 10:58 GGQ wrote: The argument that Tackster can't be mafia because he didn't know coagulation had the gun is fundamentally flawed. There's one thing that everyone, including coagulation, seems to be forgetting. Coagulation claimed that he had a stun gun that would disable his target's power. That's why scum redirected Coagulation to annul; to disable annul's hot potato so that it wouldn't blow up and kill the other scum who was assigned to shoot annul. Meanwhile Tackster stole from jackal to prevent jackal from shooting him. That fact that Coagulation ended up shooting annul was completely accidental by the mafia. Thus the 4 kp are as follows: Red hit annul Red hit Kav or Gmarshal Black hit Kav or Gmarshal Coag hit Tackster, but was redirected by scum to hit annul because scum thought that his stun gun would stop annul's potato from killing the scum who killed annul. GG lynch Tackster That's why scum redirected Coagulation to annul; to disable annul's hot potato [b]This is not how the stun gun was claimed to work Meanwhile Tackster stole from jackal to prevent jackal from shooting him This has already been proved not to make me scummy. Tonnes of town would have stolen from jackal too. Seeing as there was no way scum thought that controlling coag to 'use' his item on annul could have worked this disproves the theory entirely! [/i] | ||
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On March 29 2011 11:57 GGQ wrote: I have a question for you. Can you confirm that your item is a vest that protects you from night kills? If so, someone in the thread earlier (jackal?) said that your vest would automatically protect you even if you were protecting it rather than using it. This seems wrong to me, so I'd like to hear it from you. Do you have to use the vest for it to protect you or does it do so automatically? And, finally, did your best block a bullet last night? The point Lemon made is that the vest would protect him if he tried to steal or tried to defend. In that case there is no point in trying to use as you may as well just defend for a better result | ||
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On March 29 2011 20:57 CubEdIn wrote: You're wrong, there were many people who questioned other things, like why Lemon is "cleared". I myself have asked for extensive explanations on why we are only focusing on Tack, you need to go back and read the thread more carefully. And no it wouldn't make sense to steal from Coag, as a KP is more important than a RB for mafia. And as Coag was clearly the shooter, and jackal's item got stolen, that safely clears them both. As much as you can have someone cleared in a game of Mafia. So it's between Lemon and Tackster, and it doesn't make sense for mafia to double-shoot Annul if they KNEW Coag had the real gun. It would make much more sense to use the "stun gun" to RB annul's potato. Anything else makes a lot less sense than this theory. Why does Jackal having his item stolen clear him in any way? Thats wrong imo. | ||
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 Anyway: ##Vote: Jackal | ||
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People I think are green/blue: Coagulation Deconduo Meapak tnkted Insanious Orgolove CubEdIn Rean Wiggles ilovejohn GGQ (This addition is new!! Go you!) Ya that's right - i think i pegged 11 of the 13 remaining greens (2 dead, me dying)People I think are scum: Jackal OR Lemon (More Jackal obviously) Lanaia Beneather iGrok People I think look scummy but i may be reading wrong: kevconism Original chaoser Lastly my special info from LSB: From: LSB Subject: Re: Item Game Date: 3/28/11 22:51 If all the item game players get killed in one night, no on gets the items. I don't know if everyone else assumed this - I know I didn't. The reason I'm outing this is that if green/red think that they are going to lose they can try to draw and stop anyone having an advantage. The reason I didn't want to mention this is in case black tried to break the IG. I'm mentioning it now because now: - We have to medic who we think is green tonight at all costs - If anything weird happens tonight remember we can always try to draw instead of losing! | ||
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