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In my eyes, you and Jackal have done absolutely nothing. You have shown nothing to support that you have done anything. You talk... amongst your selves. You tell town to trust you. But you haven't acutally tried to tell me you've done anything.
Tack has at least participated in the game. He laid out ideas for the town to look at. He gave posts for the town to analyze. And he looks green.
The rest of you IG players have not done that, you play in your own little world... and guess what its biting you in the ass.
As town, you need to share info, so that we don't kill you. Its how it always works. Mafia work to keep info away from the town. Thats how it works.
By being secretive you are shooting your self in the foot.
Now Jackal is caught up in lies, with no way to explain them, and he looks 100% scum,
You are out here defending him simply because you put work into making some sort of plan, that I assume exists or you wouldn't be defending him... but I don't know if it does...
You have vested interests that are clouding your judgement. If you actually want to help Jackal and the town. SHOW ME HOW HE IS NOT SCUM. Don't just tell me that he isn't.
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On March 27 2011 08:40 chaoser wrote:
Did we really get to page 81 before the end of day 1 lol? too pro
No, it is not pro. People are having an easier time lurking. Massive amounts of posts make people not want to read/participate in discussions. About half the people in the game aren't even in this discussion right now.
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Ok, so here's how I'm seeing/understanding things.
Jackal approached Coag with a plan that will confirm each other to one another.
Coag accepts that the plan is logical, foolproof, and will work.
Since it is in the Item Game where there is only 1 red and 1 black, Coag reasons that MAFIA would never do this since mafia wouldn't want to confirm himself as red.
This is why Coag is defending Jackal.
Is that the reasoning coag?
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Do you really think if he is scum he would put himself in the spotlight with an elaborate plan to catch scum... when all he would have to do is sit back and let town continue riding the annul is scum wave that the whole town was roaring about earlier.
Think about it?
Whos the easier target annul or tack
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On March 27 2011 08:47 chaoser wrote:
Ok, so here's how I'm seeing/understanding things.
Jackal approached Coag with a plan that will confirm each other to one another.
Coag accepts that the plan is logical, foolproof, and will work.
Since it is in the Item Game where there is only 1 red and 1 black, Coag reasons that MAFIA would never do this since mafia wouldn't want to confirm himself as red.
This is why Coag is defending Jackal.
Is that the reasoning coag?
yes chaoser you have nailed it
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On March 27 2011 08:50 Coagulation wrote:
Do you really think if he is scum he would put himself in the spotlight with an elaborate plan to catch scum... when all he would have to do is sit back and let town continue riding the annul is scum wave that the whole town was roaring about earlier.
Think about it?
Whos the easier target annul or tack
Well it's not like it hasn't happened before. BC did it once in a game I think. I don't think it's as likely, but I wouldn't say that's impossible/implausible.
However, I do think that had you said your reasoning for trusting Jackal earlier as "He made a plan with me to confirm ourselves to one another and I don't think mafia would do this" I think we could have avoided a lot of shit.
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On March 27 2011 08:51 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 08:47 chaoser wrote:
Ok, so here's how I'm seeing/understanding things.
Jackal approached Coag with a plan that will confirm each other to one another.
Coag accepts that the plan is logical, foolproof, and will work.
Since it is in the Item Game where there is only 1 red and 1 black, Coag reasons that MAFIA would never do this since mafia wouldn't want to confirm himself as red.
This is why Coag is defending Jackal.
Is that the reasoning coag?
yes chaoser you have nailed it
Could you have said that earlier? Now I'm fine with jackal not hanging today, assuming this plan is as foolproof as you seem to think. Seriously half this shit could have been avoided if you just said that T.T (Im not discarding the possibility that the mafia team might have someone with a cover ability btw) this explains your defense of jackal then. I still dont think Track is scum, but it does paint this whole debate in a different light.
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chaoser you are freaking ninja...
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Which is why it should be lynch Tack Day 1 > 1a) flips red/black > Jackal confirms people and uses whatever power he said he has with his plan > 1b) flips green > lynch Jackal Day 2.
Don't know what bum is going to do but this seems like the safest way to play it out.
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On March 27 2011 08:42 Insanious wrote:
In my eyes, you and Jackal have done absolutely nothing. You have shown nothing to support that you have done anything. You talk... amongst your selves. You tell town to trust you. But you haven't acutally tried to tell me you've done anything.
Tack has at least participated in the game. He laid out ideas for the town to look at. He gave posts for the town to analyze. And he looks green.
The rest of you IG players have not done that, you play in your own little world... and guess what its biting you in the ass.
As town, you need to share info, so that we don't kill you. Its how it always works. Mafia work to keep info away from the town. Thats how it works.
By being secretive you are shooting your self in the foot.
Now Jackal is caught up in lies, with no way to explain them, and he looks 100% scum,
You are out here defending him simply because you put work into making some sort of plan, that I assume exists or you wouldn't be defending him... but I don't know if it does...
You have vested interests that are clouding your judgement. If you actually want to help Jackal and the town. SHOW ME HOW HE IS NOT SCUM. Don't just tell me that he isn't.
You've done nothing but call me scum. How do you propose to eliminate the red and the black from the item game? What's your plan hot shot? How do you propose going about doing it. Oh I know. I'll defend the hell out of my scum buddy. That's your plan.
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On March 27 2011 09:01 ilovejonn wrote:
Which is why it should be lynch Tack Day 1 > 1a) flips red/black > Jackal confirms people and uses whatever power he said he has with his plan > 1b) flips green > lynch Jackal Day 2.
Don't know what bum is going to do but this seems like the safest way to play it out.
Jackal may well be a townie, but that dosn't make him infallible, if Tack flips green then it dosn't necessarily make jackal scum, which means we cannot afford to waste a lynch on him, unless we get enough evidence. -_-
GMarshal is not a happy camper, oh, and at all the lurkers, your doom is creeping closer, you know who you are!
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It really depends what he plans to do with his role during night 1. I expect many WTFs during Day 2.
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On March 27 2011 09:06 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 09:01 ilovejonn wrote:
Which is why it should be lynch Tack Day 1 > 1a) flips red/black > Jackal confirms people and uses whatever power he said he has with his plan > 1b) flips green > lynch Jackal Day 2.
Don't know what bum is going to do but this seems like the safest way to play it out. Jackal may well be a townie, but that dosn't make him infallible, if Tack flips green then it dosn't necessarily make jackal scum, which means we cannot afford to waste a lynch on him, unless we get enough evidence. -_- GMarshal is not a happy camper, oh, and at all the lurkers, your doom is creeping closer, you know who you are!
Dude. Like I originally said. Best case scenario is 2 for 2. Worst case is 2 out of 3.
Insanious has convinced me we're going to go 2 for 2.
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On March 27 2011 09:04 Jackal58 wrote:
You've done nothing but call me scum. How do you propose to eliminate the red and the black from the item game? What's your plan hot shot? How do you propose going about doing it. Oh I know. I'll defend the hell out of my scum buddy. That's your plan.
Ok let's cool it guys, both of you. That's not even real logic anymore. Just cause someone defends someone else that you think is scum, doesn't mean they're scum. I can understand where Insanious is coming from as Tack has been posting pretty pro-town in thread (my opinion) while I also finally understand where you're coming from with Coag. Let's all take a step back and reassess everything.
First we need to think about this Jackal-Coag confirm plan. Even without knowing the details, is it possible for mafia/black to mess it up. And then we need to go over Tack's posts in detail. Are they actually pro-town?
I have a headache from god knows what right now so I'll take some aspirin and lay down for bit to think about it all. I hope everyone else does too.
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Also, Bum, can we get an update on what your circle is saying about the lynch? Day ends in 2 hours right? At this point I think I'd rather lynch Darm than Jackal/Tack. Will update after I review everything.
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On March 27 2011 09:19 chaoser wrote:
Also, Bum, can we get an update on what your circle is saying about the lynch? Day ends in 2 hours right? At this point I think I'd rather lynch Darm than Jackal/Tack. Will update after I review everything.
Wtf are you talking about, lynching Darm won't do us shit and the Jackal vs Tack debate will go on for another Day. Tack/Jackal has to go today.
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On March 27 2011 09:20 ilovejonn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 09:19 chaoser wrote:
Also, Bum, can we get an update on what your circle is saying about the lynch? Day ends in 2 hours right? At this point I think I'd rather lynch Darm than Jackal/Tack. Will update after I review everything. Wtf are you talking about, lynching Darm won't do us shit and the Jackal vs Tack debate will go on for another Day. Tack/Jackal has to go today.
And if they are both town how will it help?
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On March 27 2011 09:20 ilovejonn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 09:19 chaoser wrote:
Also, Bum, can we get an update on what your circle is saying about the lynch? Day ends in 2 hours right? At this point I think I'd rather lynch Darm than Jackal/Tack. Will update after I review everything. Wtf are you talking about, lynching Darm won't do us shit and the Jackal vs Tack debate will go on for another Day. Tack/Jackal has to go today.
I said right now -_- and that I was going to go to review. As in if I had to vote RIGHT NOW, I'm not ready to make a decision on Jackal/Tack. But I will soon. Right after this fucking aspirin kicks in.
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On March 27 2011 09:20 ilovejonn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 09:19 chaoser wrote:
Also, Bum, can we get an update on what your circle is saying about the lynch? Day ends in 2 hours right? At this point I think I'd rather lynch Darm than Jackal/Tack. Will update after I review everything. Wtf are you talking about, lynching Darm won't do us shit and the Jackal vs Tack debate will go on for another Day. Tack/Jackal has to go today.
Or we *could* lynch a scummier player, who gives us the same "odds" as Tack to hit scum...
Nah, silly me.
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I'd vote for lynching Darm. Lets give jackal some rope, and if he wants to hang himself so be it.
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