Insane Mafia 2 - Page 8

On March 28 2011 14:46 Coagulation wrote:


ARE YOU SERIOUS? SCUM IS GONNA PROTECT YOU BECAUSE ITS BETTER YOUR ALIVE AND SUSPICIOUS THAN DEAD AND OUT OF THE GAME. ITS AN ALL IN. SCUM HAD NO CHOICE.

On March 28 2011 14:57 Coagulation wrote:
Now to the conclusions:
1. The other three IG players have in no-way confirmed each other
Your in no way confirmed either Moot point. Not to mention I STILL have the ability to CONFIRM JACKAL after we lynch you. Another moot point because he will be confirmed when you flip red
2. The fact that they are so sure of themselves without confirmation throws their judgement into question - green or not.
Ok fantastic this doesnt help you at all.
3. Jackal can easily be scum. The plan is clever but also strong and something red could have come up with. They didn't even need to come up with it before jackal decided on his 'plan' because as he is such a tunneler they probably just decided to make the most of it
Ok but how does this prove your green in the slightest.. you have given 0 information for town to attempt to work with. you just repeat over and over jackal could be scum. thats fantastic why dont you try coming up with a plan like jackal did why dont you try dumping information that town wants to know in the thread like jackal did.
4. The IG is in great peril. All evidence has to be scrutinized, all votes have to be carefully considered
your mafia teams chance at getting the items are in peril
5. My stealing Jackals item in NO WAY makes me scummy. It was in fact the town thing to do.
Yes stealing the item makes you scummy.
you had been PMing annul about wanting to steal an item long before anyone mentioned a gun.
your arguments again do nothing to make you look green and is purely based on "im innocent omg"

1. The other three IG players have in no-way confirmed each other
Your in no way confirmed either Moot point. Not to mention I STILL have the ability to CONFIRM JACKAL after we lynch you. Another moot point because he will be confirmed when you flip red

2. The fact that they are so sure of themselves without confirmation throws their judgement into question - green or not.
Ok fantastic this doesnt help you at all.

3. Jackal can easily be scum. The plan is clever but also strong and something red could have come up with. They didn't even need to come up with it before jackal decided on his 'plan' because as he is such a tunneler they probably just decided to make the most of it
Ok but how does this prove your green in the slightest.. you have given 0 information for town to attempt to work with. you just repeat over and over jackal could be scum. thats fantastic why dont you try coming up with a plan like jackal did why dont you try dumping information that town wants to know in the thread like jackal did.

4. The IG is in great peril. All evidence has to be scrutinized, all votes have to be carefully considered
your mafia teams chance at getting the items are in peril

5. My stealing Jackals item in NO WAY makes me scummy. It was in fact the town thing to do.
[b]Yes stealing the item makes you scummy.
you had been PMing annul about wanting to steal an item long before anyone mentioned a gun.
your arguments again do nothing to make you look green and is purely based on "im innocent omg"

On March 28 2011 15:01 chaoser wrote:
By jackals argument if I was green should I have let myself get shot or something? What would any other green do in my position?

Yes. You would want to get shot. Why? Cause if you flipped green, it'd be 1/4 chances of catching mafia in the item game. Since annul got shot, it would be 1/3 chance. You not dying made today be about you v Jackal again. If you had died, it would have been Jackal on the chopping block since it was his plan. Or we start looking at LW. If I was in your situation, I would have used my item to check Jackal or maybe LW, not steal some shit. Townies don't care much for living, only that they can somehow help town win.

2. No one is confirmed

No one is ever confirmed unless they're dead. There's no such thing as confirmation of alignment, even DTs can be insane and give wrong reads. The fact of the matter is, Jackal came out and FoS-ed you. His actions compared to your actions, in my head, shows that he is more town then you are. His plan makes sense while you haven't done a single thing for town. Your posts have been basically copies of other people's posts, and until Jackal FoSed you, you didn't give a single FoS or analysis of anyone else. You merely defended Bum's blueness, you didn't even call out annul as scum.

Why would I bus to annul? Annul claimed he was out of the game and outed his item power which affects me NOT AT ALL.

Annul was pretty much going to be read as town. RoL's stupid little gambit worked and annul's reaction was that of a town thinking he was dead, not of mafia. Mafia take things to the grave on the off chance something they said gives shit away, townies don't. That being said, it's better to get rid of a green that everyone knows is a green and then try to argue against someone who is less "confirmed" like Jackal.

4. Jackal can easily be mafia.
5. The IG is in grave peril
So making the assumption I'm green:
- I get lynched and flip green
- scum use their 2 KP to kill the other greens
- Red is last one standing and therefore red team get the items

Not true and a contradiction, if anything, I feel like IG is going to be won by town if both statements are true. It's just whether we have three confirmed townies or one. If you are green, you get lynched, it's 1 red, 2 green. We got medics, LW got a vest. If Jackal really is red like you said, then all we have to do is chill out, and tell LW to protect. It's a passive vest that makes him bullet proof. Mafia can't shoot into that shit. Black is lynched so he can't be black. Next day, we lynch Jackal. BOOM. Town wins IG.

On March 28 2011 15:20 GGQ wrote:
Also, I was gonna point out what Chaoser or Coagulation pointed out above.

If you are town, stealing Jackal's item was retarded. The town thing to do would be to role-check someone. If you lived or died, you would be giving the town some great information. The much simpler explanation is that you are red.

On March 28 2011 15:27 Coagulation wrote:
OK well for the sake of the thread not getting flooded with circular arguments this is what im gonna do

Tackster is mafia.
its my gut feeling
and lemon walrus
and jackals
and annuls

can you argue about me having a gut feeling tackster? didnt think so.
im pretty sure i have raped enough scum as town to be given the time of die when it comes to town listening to my gut feeling.

so that ends it.

On March 28 2011 15:25 chaoser wrote:




Both are unlikely to you in the JACKAL MIGHT BE RED POST.

Your post pretty much says that you think JACKAL is red. In that case, we got item game won since point number 5, which is you trying to scare people into not voting for you, is wrong. SEE! WE GOTS IT YO!

On March 28 2011 15:31 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Oh I think I remembered the other part.

From what I recall you don't answer this. If what you are saying is correct coagulation then Annul and Tack were bussed, meaning all night actions focused on one hits the other and vice versa.

The first part of the bold seems to infer that he was shot twice. Once by you, and once by another. While the second part implies that you were the one who was bussed, because YOU are the confused one.

So what you are saying can't follow a logical progression of thought. You hit Tack and the mafia bussed tack and annul to save him, meaning someone else would of also had to hit tack for Annul to have gotten shot twice.

But if we accept those events then we have to ask ourselves why the third party (or mafia?) would hit tack while bussing him while KNOWING you were going to try to hit him too.

Something just seems off, unless you can explain that and I misread something.

On March 28 2011 15:34 GGQ wrote:
Also, re: bus driver.

Just so no one is confused about what this role does:

The bus driver picks two players. All abilities that target either of those two players during the night phase now target the other player instead. This means that, judging from the way the Day Post was written, the bus driver picked Tackster and annul. Since it seems like annul was shot twice, that means that two shots were used on Tackster, one of which came from coagulation.

I played the bus driver as town in Harry Potter Mafia (to pretty good effect, I might add :D) but the driver role is more commonly a scum role, and (given that it spreads chaos and confusion) it is much more suited to scum.

On March 28 2011 15:37 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
My definition is the correct one on this forum. If A shot B but B was bussed with C then A would of actually have shot C. What you are referring to I only ever saw once in ExMiMa. I can't remember what DrH called it though.

On March 28 2011 15:43 GGQ wrote:


Your logic is poor because you assume that each situation has an equal chance of playing out under each scenario.

On March 28 2011 16:01 kevconsim wrote:
i dont mean you personally got tricked

I mean they tricked other people into believing that you are scum.

Which you may or may not be.

Tricked into being called scum when you are not

On March 28 2011 16:03 chaoser wrote:


WRONG! It's not a gamble. If Jackal is red, like you think he is, then town wins the IG.

The Two hits are LW and Coag for Mafia. They have two KP. We got a vest and lets say 2 medics (standard amount).

1 medic on Coag, 1 medic on LW. There's nothing mafia can do. At the most, they'll kill 1 town.

On March 28 2011 16:04 Coagulation wrote:


And what evidence do you have that jackal is in fact red exactly?

On March 28 2011 16:08 Coagulation wrote:
probably jackal

And what evidence do you have that jackal is in fact red exactly?

On March 28 2011 16:16 Coagulation wrote:
thats a risk im willing to take