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A) See what their items do B) We could maybe work out who the scum is based on the effects of the items C) Prevent scum from stealing any green items I have posted this in our quick-topics but i want the towns input on this as well. Also @kev - that is a terrible sounding idea. If you're in the game at later days we won't have any read on you for town/scum. Find some opinions and share them! | ||
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Does the town's KP count as their lynch or should I assume my other natural assumption i don't want to mention If two people try to steal an item from someone what happens | ||
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On March 26 2011 16:20 bumatlarge wrote: Alright, if voting off someone from the item game is of the utmost importance, then I need to know the stances of everyone in the IG. If you are still deliberating over something, say you are in the thread. That's two for tackster, and I couldn't find if annul, darm and LW had said this as well. If it's unanimous among them, then he's probably the strongest candidate. Since people in the IG have kept quiet about most things, I'll trust them just saying who is scum. Remember the logic here. 4 townies, 2 scum. Scum on opposing sides. With decent townie play, we should be able to make the outcome 100% town. Ok a couple of things: #1 the scum are not on the same side but are ONLY interested in not being killed. So they will bandwagon any vote on someone else in the IG #2 I agree the item game is an important mechanic in this game but your vote should only be influenced by the IG players not decided by them #3 As I fear I am in jeopardy of being voted (Lemon also considers me scum) I really need you to check my previous votes on the matter and all the other posts in the thread defending me. I think people are overestimating the amount of strategy being employed in the IG. So far I have only been able to talk to 3 or the other 5 players and 1 of those 3 is ignoring me anyway... | ||
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Anyways nice to be defended although given the weak accusation it hardly seems necessary | ||
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Jackal58 United States. March 26 2011 22:12. Posts 945 I'm not asking anybody to sheep. I'm offering 2 scum at the possibility of 1 townie getting hit. Best case is 2 for 2 and then 4 confirmed townies worst case is 3 confirmed townies. You're not 'offering' two scum your 'gambling' 2 scum... Worst case here is you lynch a townie and FOS 2 more townies... | ||
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Jackal58 United States. March 26 2011 22:42. Posts 947 Cubed. That was my plan. Except I picked a name. I said at the beginning of my post outlining my plan I was about to piss off 3 IG players. I know what 3 of the IG items are. Of the 3 none are particularly beneficial to the black team but they would allow reds to rape us. The other 3 may have attributes that would equally make black damn near invincible but that is merely speculation on my part. I know who 3 of the 4 townies are. Of the 3 of us we are confident in our choice of Tackster. Of the other 3 1 says a scum is definitely among the two noobs in the IG. Annul says it's the other noob. Of those 3 players 2 are scum. Plain and simple. 66% chance that Tack is red or black. 50% of the IG players agree he is scum. 1 other allows for it to be likely. 2 disagree. 1 being Tackster the other annul. Yes we may be wrong but it will pretty much nail the other two to the wall if we are. Worse case scenario 1 townie - 1 red - 1 black. Items to town. I can't make it any more win than that. Again this is more for bum than anybody else but feel free to call me names some more. I am nothing but pro town. No evidence. No clear mechanism for you to know any of this. And bad stats. You claim to have confirmed 3 town. That assumes: #1 You yourself are town (unconfirmed) #2 You can somehow confirm peoples roles d1 to a certainty (LOL) #3 You have amazing abilities at reading (seem to be yourself wrong as we speak) Answer me this: how can you claim it is in town's interest to follow a plan from someone that isn't cleared? As you and the others in the terrific trio have not PMd me how can you claim that 'town' consensus holds true when they must be basing their opinions on a thread where so many are calling my reads pro-town? We were speaking about using our alignment PMs to confirm status. Seeing as we're allowed to use our alignment spiels in the main thread to auto-confirm I ask all townies in the IG to check my posts from page 68 to 71. In one of my posts I clearly referenced the alignment PM we got night 0. Compare my posts to the PM. The similarity is obvious. Lastly if you have this magical ability to confirm a town why dont you do it with me? Or anyone in the 3? Ask me the magic question or something... Because if you can't confirm one of the three of us how are you confirming the others? I believe there's a one word answer to that - tunneling. The blind kind. | ||
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Second - deconduo while I want to be confirmed I don't need to be told I lurk as maf. Insult or what?  Jackal keeps claiming he has a vig power and then later mentioned that possibly it is coags vig power. Im afraid that a player in the IG can shoot - doesn't bode well whether he's town or mafia given the disinformation going on. Are we going to consider the mini-game steal/def/use strategy itself or is that useless? | ||
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Vote Jackal58 FOS iGrok FOS Beneather I'm currently stuck between Lemon, darmo and coag. Do we really have enough on darmo to think he's scum? Or is this a policy lynch in the IG? People I think are FOT (Finger of townishness): BumAtLarge CubEdIn tnkted Annul GMarshal deconduo insanious ilovejohn That second list there are only people I think are pro-town - not in any way confirmed. | ||
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Surely you think Jackal is more scum and also we don't want to split the vote so shouldn't you vote jackal? Also you picked the mayor no one likes as mayor instead of the person we're calling clear... tnkted what's going on? | ||
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tnkted United States. March 27 2011 00:47. Posts 297 I'm voting darm because I think jackal is mafia, and I'd rather kill the bulletproof guy and hope that some vig in the crowd takes a potshot at jackal. People have said it a million times, its better to lynch blacks than reds, because blacks can't get picked off by reds. Let the blacks kill the reds at night, while we kill the blacks in the day. What makes you think jackal is black and darmo is red? I don't see the reasoning... Just saw Lemon's breadcrumb. Also rereading that entire bit I can see why people arent 100% clear from it but its a start. I hope you're keeping a list of people that let crumbs out cos there's plenty more. And LSB's posts do lead me to believe that he sent similar if not the same alignment messages to everyone. | ||
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Jackal58 United States. March 27 2011 01:43. Posts 951 Actually your inability to recognize an alignment PM makes me think you're red or black. Or blue... | ||
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Ok things to keep in mind: #1 an IG player is probs gonna get lynched -by that i mean the stats are 66% ignoring scumhunting #2 an IG may get killed tonight/multiple players is possible This leads us towards a worst case scenario where the 2 players not stolen from are killed and hence we have no new information except for what items were list Also whether or not Jackal is scum he seems to have real intel on who has what item. Assume they're all telling each other the truth then maybe a green has information on more than 1 item. That would be a good thing if he's stolen from and more die. From IG PMs i believe there is 1 DT checker and suspicions have of a second. Including my item we have some pro-town stuff to work with. So I like darmo's ideas as it can actually give IG players some evidence to work with. Now if we can get all players in the IG to agree to use n1 (assuming the mafia say yes and lie) there is a possibility for a green player to think 'well if 3 use then i can wifom a steal and at worse i'll steal from a green so nothing is lost at best i'll steal from a mafia'. This is a terrible tactic and although people may like the idea of stealing we should make it clear WIFOMing is out of the question. The reason I bring this up is cos i was considering it when i read your post Lastly there may be vig style powers in the IG. I feel giving scum a shot (assuming they have one - jackal keep saying either he or coagulation do) can be a pretty big advantage. So I was thinking in using the thought process of your plan we could also agree that all green steal from someone. Now if the mafia don't defend there's a big chance they get stolen from. So with that tactic no more people can be shot but of course no new information comes out. If everyone steals nothing is lost, if everyone uses information can be gleaned but people may die. Something to consider | ||
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Anyway the point is if a town is lynched d1 and all the town use then even if none are killed at night scum could steal from 2 out of 3. That leaves us with little information to work with. If scum kill another town then that leaves us with almost no information... Darmo what do you think of all greens agreeing to steal instead? | ||
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Jackal, Coagulation, LemonWalrus are claiming cleared town. Darmousseh, Annul, Tackster supposedly contain the 2 scum. Jackal says the he has cleared the former three and has rounded down the scum to the latter three. Because he says the 3 'greens' think im the scummiest he wants to lynch me. Some things to note: -- The only contact I had before all of this began was with annul and nothing of worth has been mentioned. This has all been done without my knowledge. -- the IG forum is not really being used - i've posted but no one is answering -- Apparently these people think i'm the scummiest even though of the remaining three when the accusation was made I was the only one not FOSsed but in fact declared pro-town by some. -- Coagulation and Lemon have publicly FOSsed me as Jackal said. However they haven't confirmed whether or not they have cleared jackal. My feelings are he has persuaded them that he's green and has buddied them by claiming he feels they are town -- Jackals group have shared their item information. I feel this is anti-town. -- Annul has so far not posted any FOSses on anyone in the IG that I have seen -- Coagulation has defended Lemon vehemently without reason -- Darmousseh has been afk, has just returned and in a PM he claimed that: The biggest person to suspect you was jackal. He was trying to make a plan behind closed doors. There's more points that I have mentioned before but I'll start you off with that! | ||
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Jackal58 United States. March 27 2011 02:41. Posts 954 Do you have a DT item you're confused what to do with? @Jackal - correct you're ability to read has outed that I have a DT item and because I have little knowledge of the game I can't pick someone to use it on. Seriously? After you managed to persuade others to out their items you're trying to out mine in the main thread? Actually I just had a thought - what if coag and lemon are the scum and they're tricking jackal into lynching the town... ROFL | ||
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Jackal58 United States. March 27 2011 02:56. Posts 957 I always make plans behind closed doors. Making plans here is useless. Least town sided view I've ever heard | ||
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I was certain I read that Jackal had said something along the lines of: ...and then we shoot someone **with coags item**... But I can't find it in your posts - or anyone else And i definitely remember something along those lines.. Can anyone point me to the post im talking about? | ||
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