On March 27 2011 15:30 Kavdragon wrote: My case for Insanious v1.0 Insanious has exhibited scummy play on several fronts: He has held extremely wrong, scum favored opinions on the nature of PM’s. He has aggressively and exclusively defended one person (tackster), which makes no sense from a townie’s prospective. He has shown contrasting weak opinions as to the alignment of others, despite the fervor of the arguments he made against them. All of these things point to one thing: Insanious is Scum.+ Show Spoiler [WrongOpinions] +As has been explained by many veteran players, wrong opinions do not necessarily mean scum. It’s only when those plans consistently favor scum that they become a clear indication that the player is scum. Insanious has shown just that: On March 25 2011 02:21 Insanious wrote:
The only reason why I don't want an irc channel is because it will make it harder for me to keep up with the game. I don't get to sit infront of the irc channel all day, I catch up on mafia games over a few hours in one chunk usually.
As such, I don't have access to irc during the day, and reading logs will take for ever and analysing them will require more time to format properly. This makes it harder for me to play... Not to mention I would most likely not be able to join the irc chat often.
Not to mention how cluttered the thread will look once the logs are posted...
I guess if everyone else wants one I don't mind... Just don't call me scum if I donKt participate in it very much. The IRC was a good thing for town, and the mafia/SK realized it faster than the town did, and shut it down. People who have something to hide are terrified of PM’s/irc because they have to make snap decisions, and things slip out much easier. I repeat: ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE DO NOT WANT PM’S AND IRC WITH ANYONE OTHER THAN THEIR TEAM. Insanious opposed this plan, saying “I don’t want to have to read through all of them…” So don’t. No one is saying that you have to read them. Can you think of any ill effect this would have on the town? NO. It can only help us! This is a WRONG opinion, that is SCUM favored. On March 26 2011 12:27 Insanious wrote:So your saying this is scummy? This is the most TOWN oriented thing a new player could do... Scum will try to manipulate the town circle to do their bidding... A new player, will be easily persuaded. A new player on a scum team, will have the scum team to talk to to help them out. No scum would ignore PMs, unless their whole scum team is terrible. You have this completely backwards. Town loves PM’s because it’s much easier to find scum in them. Scum hate PM’s because it’s really easy to slip up in them. If you want me to, I can find several veteran players who agree with this. This opinion is so blatantly wrong, that you are either a terrible player, or scum. Even if you are scum, you’re not good at it if you think you can get away with this sort of thing. Based off of previous games, you are not inexperienced, therefor you are Scum+ Show Spoiler [Wall of defense] +On March 26 2011 11:43 Insanious wrote:
:/ killing new players is awesome... can we at least let Trackster play till day 2? I mean seriously, this is his first game isn't it, at least let him get a taste rather then kill him instantly... just my $0.02.
I also play on .Org, and they don' kill new players before day 2 simply because it doesn't foster a good environment for them, and they don't usually come back... at least giving them a taste gives them a chance to play more.
Although, if Trackster isn't new (i just assumed he was) then we can just kills him... On March 26 2011 11:49 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 11:46 Jackal58 wrote:On March 26 2011 11:43 Insanious wrote:
:/ killing new players is awesome... can we at least let Trackster play till day 2? I mean seriously, this is his first game isn't it, at least let him get a taste rather then kill him instantly... just my $0.02.
I also play on .Org, and they don' kill new players before day 2 simply because it doesn't foster a good environment for them, and they don't usually come back... at least giving them a taste gives them a chance to play more.
Although, if Trackster isn't new (i just assumed he was) then we can just kills him... I don't care if he's still wearing diapers. I'm not here to give people warm fuzzy welcoming feelings. I'm here to kill scum. If you have issues with a noob getting lynched take it up with LSB. I'm just saying... we are here to build a community, and if I had been lynched day 1 when it was my first game, I wouldn't of come back. Most others would feel the same way. Lynching day 1 or day 2 is pretty much the exact same thing, just let the newer players have some fun, while killing others that look scummy. I know I won't be voting for Trackster simply because I can't in good conscience know that I might be ruining someone's possibly becoming a regular in TL mafia by this... I have no problem killing him after he gets a taste of what mafia is like... but he hasn't even lived a night cycle, or lynched anyone yet... but thats just me. On March 26 2011 11:52 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 11:49 chaoser wrote:On March 26 2011 11:43 Insanious wrote:
:/ killing new players is awesome... can we at least let Trackster play till day 2? I mean seriously, this is his first game isn't it, at least let him get a taste rather then kill him instantly... just my $0.02.
I also play on .Org, and they don' kill new players before day 2 simply because it doesn't foster a good environment for them, and they don't usually come back... at least giving them a taste gives them a chance to play more.
Although, if Trackster isn't new (i just assumed he was) then we can just kills him... LOLOL what is this...scummiest thing ever. "Let the new player play to night two". That's neither our win condition nor a concern of ours. Town wants to lynch mafia. If someone is scummy, we lynch him/her. Whether they're new or not doesn't matter. TL has a problem getting larger games going, lynching new players doesn't help. Look at Death Factory, where we only had 17 people... Trackster doesn't even look red. People are lynching him because he doesn't post... I would rather kill someone who usually posts but doesn't, then ruin the chance of having a new TL regular. On March 26 2011 12:01 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 11:54 Jackal58 wrote:On March 26 2011 11:52 Insanious wrote:On March 26 2011 11:49 chaoser wrote:On March 26 2011 11:43 Insanious wrote:
:/ killing new players is awesome... can we at least let Trackster play till day 2? I mean seriously, this is his first game isn't it, at least let him get a taste rather then kill him instantly... just my $0.02.
I also play on .Org, and they don' kill new players before day 2 simply because it doesn't foster a good environment for them, and they don't usually come back... at least giving them a taste gives them a chance to play more.
Although, if Trackster isn't new (i just assumed he was) then we can just kills him... LOLOL what is this...scummiest thing ever. "Let the new player play to night two". That's neither our win condition nor a concern of ours. Town wants to lynch mafia. If someone is scummy, we lynch him/her. Whether they're new or not doesn't matter. TL has a problem getting larger games going, lynching new players doesn't help. Look at Death Factory, where we only had 17 people... Trackster doesn't even look red. People are lynching him because he doesn't post... I would rather kill someone who usually posts but doesn't, then ruin the chance of having a new TL regular. Don't care how he looks. He's either red or black. What color you reppin? You have 0 analysis of Trackster... yet you are 100% sure he is red or black. He is brandnew, so you can't even Meta him... so please, tell me why he is scum? All I see is a new player, that is trying, but still a little lost. Paint me a picture that will make me think he deserves to be lynched. On March 26 2011 12:13 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 12:10 Coagulation wrote:
lol you defending your scumbuddy insanious? I'm defending a new player, that doesn't look scummy at all... from getting killed night 1 their first game. Its a matter of values for me. Unless someone could show me something where he is 100% red, 0% chance of not being red... then he doesn't deserve to be killed for not being experienced. On March 26 2011 12:20 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 12:14 Lanaia wrote:On March 26 2011 11:43 Insanious wrote:
:/ killing new players is awesome... can we at least let Trackster play till day 2? I mean seriously, this is his first game isn't it, at least let him get a taste rather then kill him instantly... just my $0.02.
I also play on .Org, and they don' kill new players before day 2 simply because it doesn't foster a good environment for them, and they don't usually come back... at least giving them a taste gives them a chance to play more.
Although, if Trackster isn't new (i just assumed he was) then we can just kills him... I don't like this post. That is a terrible idea. Actually, that post kind of pains me because I can't see any town motivation for that. In nowhere I've been have we ever gone out of our way not to kill newbies, even in our newbie games/thread. You can PM pevergreen, and ask him about Totalwar.org and their policies on killing new players or anyone who has not played mafia in a while. Hell, go over to Totalwar.org and go ask some of the players that play mafia... They don't kill new people day 1 or day 2 simply to help foster a good environment for the community to grow. For players to come back and play more games. Just something I liked and picked up... I mean, I wouldn't of been back if I just was killed outright day 1 my first game... Its not motivated by any alignment, its motivated by the fact that mafia is a community game, and without a community we don't get to play games. TL has TERRIBLE activity. I mean look at most of the past few games where only half the people post... Or look at Death Factory where 17 players signed up when he wanted 30... We need more players, and killing them day 1 doesn't get new players. Bigger picture then a single game of mafia... On March 26 2011 12:23 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 12:21 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Well he is trying to steer the game in a direction with outside forces that shouldn't have any bearing over the game. (but it was meant less as a flame and more to show him the error of his ways, I apologize for any flame that came across) I'm trying to defend someone you are trying to get lynched, very different then steering the game in a different direction. We are still talking about Trackster. This isn't me trying to talk about something unrelated. Don't try to spin this into anything else than it is. On March 26 2011 12:27 Insanious wrote:So your saying this is scummy? This is the most TOWN oriented thing a new player could do... Scum will try to manipulate the town circle to do their bidding... A new player, will be easily persuaded. A new player on a scum team, will have the scum team to talk to to help them out. No scum would ignore PMs, unless their whole scum team is terrible. On March 26 2011 23:56 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 23:55 orgolove wrote:
WIFOM? Since when does pointing out some obvious ways he may not be a red/black counts as that?
Point is, no one's standing up to really defend him. Either the reds or blacks are really cutting him loose early, or he's actually a townie and we're missing the real targets. There hasn't been any counter-bandwagon formed, something that would've happened if he was a really crucial member of any of the the groups with the information. The counter bandwaggon is Tackster... Also, you are defending him now. On March 27 2011 05:30 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 05:24 Jackal58 wrote:On March 27 2011 05:13 bumatlarge wrote:On March 27 2011 05:07 annul wrote:
the majority (if not all other five?) of us agree that tackster is a fine kill for tonight. Alright, I just want confirmation on this from all. Even if two are scum, three of you who are town have a strong feeling that tackster is scum, even with what he has posted in the thread? I'll be honest and fair. Out of Tackster Annul and Darm 2 are scum. I picked Tack simply because I saw him as the easiest lynch. If you want to lynch darm I'm cool with that as well. The longer this has gone on the more I think annul is the town out of those 3. It is a numbers game. WOW, so now it goes from "Tack is 100% scum" to "Tack is probably scum, im pretty sure... not really" We are hanging the towns hopes of killing a scum, on someone who continuously lies to town to try to get them to do what he wants... Jackal is scummy scum scum scum. Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 05:25 Jackal58 wrote:On March 27 2011 05:23 deconduo wrote:On March 27 2011 05:20 Jackal58 wrote:On March 27 2011 05:10 bumatlarge wrote:Man you guys sure do jump around. Outside of the IG, I have to say tackster has been working his ass off to prove he is town, and in general has gotten much more defense. Personally, I hate the "Lynch me then and you will see I am town" argument. Do not blame your lack of townieness on me, thank you very much. People in the IG do not have long to live. Would it really be smart for tackster's scumbuddies to go all out in defending him when he is probably going to flip in the next day or so? The fact that jackal has gotten no defense makes it appear that way (strangely the only defense was 2 posts from orgolove and now hes back in the shadows  ) So I do feel that tackster is town and jackal is not. However, I still stand by how I view the IG game to a degree. If tackster has done something so scummy that it nullifies everything that has been stated, I need to know what that is. Like-wise, if jackal has done something so protown, etc. i need to know. What I need right now is one target from each IG player. And give me town reads as well.I do NOT need two scum tells as people have pointed out repeatedly that scum will FoS whoever they can. I knew when I put up my plan I would be target #1. I did it anyways. Because it is in towns best interest. Coag is town. LW is town. I am town. I possess towns night KP. I have outlined the 3 separate scenarios that can occur off of a Tackster lynch. I stand by my plan. I stand by my lynch decision. My target is Tackster. Ok if bum picks Tack, I'm lynching you tomorrow when Tack flips town. Someone who blindly tunnels until he gets what he wants is no good, regardless of alignment. Doesn't matter how he flips. I'm shooting you tonight. Ok, we need to lynch jackal tonight. He says he has the towns only KP, and is going to use it WITHOUT TOWN INPUT. This is just as dangerous as a scum. - - - - Not to mention, coag said he had a weapon... doesn't that mean KP? Is Jackal lying? - - - - As well, it would be very easy for Jackal to say "I am town KP" while being mafia or 3rd party and using their KP to look like a vig... - - - - Jackal looks more and more scummy as the day goes on. On March 27 2011 05:45 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 05:41 Jackal58 wrote:
If you sheep could read you'd already have seen where 3 or 4 times including my original post regarding my plan I have always admitted I might be wrong. Because insulting the people your trying to convince is a good way to get people to follow you... give us something to change our minds. Give us PMs, give us proof... The only thing that I can go on when looking at who to lynch is the stuff in thread. In thread Tackster looks town and you look scum. If you want to change my mind you have to prove it... give me PMs. Give me something to change my mind. Because you NEVER will sway ANYONE simply going "guys... believe me, I'm town I swear!" On March 27 2011 06:24 Insanious wrote:
I love how jackal and coag have been all "We have proof, Tack is scum, kill him!"
When it’s really just "Tack is the least popular out of us 6, and one of us 6 need to die... so it might as well be Tack"
Funny how basically the reason you are killing him is that he is new to TL :/. Holy crap. He spent more time defending tackster than doing any other thing in the game! When tack was a lynch target, he suddenly because MUCH more active, and spent all that time defending him. Why? I can understand defending someone, but unless he has more information than the people in the item game (he doesn’t. It’s day one) then why is he so opinionated about it? I’m not saying anything about the strength of the arguments he makes in defense, some of them I agree with, but I cannot see a townie putting this much effort into defending someone they cannot be sure is innocent! This makes much more sense from the mafia prospective however: If he, as mafia, can find legitimate arguments as to why his scum buddy should NOT be lynched, he would totally go all out to save an "unjust" lynch of a scum buddy. + Show Spoiler [Accusations] +On March 27 2011 06:44 Insanious wrote:
Everything Jackal and Coag have said is basically a lie. Has no basis in anything, and we are basing our kills on it.
Hell, they cant even defend themselves against simple questions like "what makes you think this?" which is a basic question for anyone when calling scum. On March 27 2011 07:17 Insanious wrote:
Basically for me...
Track has given town over 100 posts to analyze for later
Jackal/Coag have given few posts. The posts they have given... half of them contradict the other half
"Tack is 100% scum" vs "I'm not 100% sure he is scum"
"Jackal, Coag, Lemon are confirmed" vs "We will be confirming Jackal, Coag, and lemon by day 2"
"Tack isn't responding to PMs" vs "No one sent Tack PMs"
"Tack was inactive" vs "Tack being active the whole time with over 100 posts"
Everything Coag and Jackal have said is a lie... so how can I support anything you do? You lie, and then contradict your selves later in your posts... I don't understand how you can do that and still think we will follow what you are doing. On March 27 2011 07:25 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 07:22 Jackal58 wrote:On March 27 2011 07:17 Insanious wrote:
Basically for me...
Track has given town over 100 posts to analyze for later
Jackal/Coag have given few posts. The posts they have given... half of them contradict the other half
"Tack is 100% scum" vs "I'm not 100% sure he is scum"
"Jackal, Coag, Lemon are confirmed" vs "We will be confirming Jackal, Coag, and lemon by day 2"
"Tack isn't responding to PMs" vs "No one sent Tack PMs"
"Tack was inactive" vs "Tack being active the whole time with over 100 posts"
Everything Coag and Jackal have said is a lie... so how can I support anything you do? You lie, and then contradict your selves later in your posts... I don't understand how you can do that and still think we will follow what you are doing. Nobody has lied. You keep alluding to that. You take posts out of timeline and represent them as accurate. Then say we lie. You sir are scum. I'm becoming more convinced with every post you make defending Trackster that he is your scumbuddy. Keep 'em coming. Dude, don't even try this with me, you want me to go through every post of yours and line them up? If you say 12 hours ago "Tack is 100% scum" Then a hour ago "not confirmed scum, just most likely scum" Still a lie. Doesn't matter if it was 12 hours ago, or 24 hours ago. You said it was confirmed and it wasn't. Just like you said, when you first posted that Jackal, Coag, and Lemon were 100% confirmed. Yet just now, Coag posted about a Plan to confirm you guys. This means you lied. You said Tack didn't respond to PMs, yet then Tack said you guys didn't PM him. And you said you left him out of the PM circle. Another lie. Then you were just caught in a lie saying Tack was inactive, when he never was. You have LIED, stop LYING TO THE TOWN. jesus, if you are town, you are the worst town in the history of mafia. On March 27 2011 08:01 Insanious wrote:Fine, lets start here... Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 11:23 Jackal58 wrote:
Hola fellow townies. A fond fuck you to scum. I'm gonna do the same shit i did in XXXVII. I'm gonna start a shit storm of the absolute highest magnitude. I'm going to exceedingly piss off 3 IG players and I'm going to tell you guys to lay off three of them. But I'm not telling which 3 until tomorrow. And now I'm going to give town victory on day 1
#1 Bum lynch Tackster. Dunno if he's red or black but he is scum.
#2 I want medic protection over night.
#3 If Tackster flips black I will shoot the other scum. If I miss and hit green the remaining one will be tomorrows lynch.
#4 Item game players can stop me from shooting them but they will be lynched.
#5 Did I say I need medic protection for this to work? If we don't have a medic I'm hosed but town is still going to win.
#6 I will not announce scum #2 until tomorrow.
#7 Worse case scenario is we have 4 confirmed townies plus bums circle of 3
#8 Best case scenario is we have 5 confirmed townies plus bums circle
#9 That's 8 vs the world
#10 Bum's circle is cops. They should be able to add more townies faster than scum can kill us.
#11 Scum of either black or red persuasion will immediately try to kill all of us in the IM game. If I do manage to survive night 1 town has a kp at their disposal on night 2 and I will shoot whoever you vote for. Caveat - There are a few who shall remain nameless at this point that I will not shoot.
#12 I was going to wait until tomorrow to post this but I want bum and his team to have time to hash it all out. I am town. I can deliver at worst 2 out of 3 kills as scum or hopefully best case is 2 for 2.
#13 Town wins.
#14 Scum sucks.
#15 Stuff it noobs. I know what I'm doing.
#16. This is "Insane" Mafia remember!!!
This DOES NOT allude to Tackster being anything but SCUM. #2 says he is scum black or red #3 says you will shoot the other scum when tackster flips red/black You do not say anywhere that you might be wrong. There is 0% interpretation where you allude to not being 100% sure Tack is scum here. If you can show me exactly what lines allude to that.... Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 11:54 Jackal58 wrote:
Don't care how he looks. He's either red or black. What color you reppin? Here's you saying he is 100% black or red Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 22:12 Jackal58 wrote:
I'm not asking anybody to sheep. I'm offering 2 scum at the possibility of 1 townie getting hit. Best case is 2 for 2 and then 4 confirmed townies worst case is 3 confirmed townies.
Again saying he is 100% red or black Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 05:24 Jackal58 wrote:On March 27 2011 05:13 bumatlarge wrote:On March 27 2011 05:07 annul wrote:
the majority (if not all other five?) of us agree that tackster is a fine kill for tonight. Alright, I just want confirmation on this from all. Even if two are scum, three of you who are town have a strong feeling that tackster is scum, even with what he has posted in the thread? I'll be honest and fair. Out of Tackster Annul and Darm 2 are scum. I picked Tack simply because I saw him as the easiest lynch. If you want to lynch darm I'm cool with that as well. The longer this has gone on the more I think annul is the town out of those 3. It is a numbers game. First time you said Tack wasn't 100% Scum... so now you are trying to weasel your self out of what your previously said. For 17 pages before this post, you said Tackster was 100% scum, 0% chance of not being scum. Now, since we are attacking you. You are saying "oh wait... he is just 2/3 chance, not 100% chance" Very scummy. Scum like to leave backdoors, you are making yours very late, then trying to weasel out of it later. Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 22:42 Jackal58 wrote:
Cubed. That was my plan. Except I picked a name. I said at the beginning of my post outlining my plan I was about to piss off 3 IG players.
I know what 3 of the IG items are. Of the 3 none are particularly beneficial to the black team but they would allow reds to rape us. The other 3 may have attributes that would equally make black damn near invincible but that is merely speculation on my part. I know who 3 of the 4 townies are. Of the 3 of us we are confident in our choice of Tackster.
Of the other 3 1 says a scum is definitely among the two noobs in the IG.
Annul says it's the other noob.
Of those 3 players 2 are scum. Plain and simple. 66% chance that Tack is red or black. 50% of the IG players agree he is scum. 1 other allows for it to be likely.
2 disagree. 1 being Tackster the other annul.
Yes we may be wrong but it will pretty much nail the other two to the wall if we are. Worse case scenario 1 townie - 1 red - 1 black. Items to town.
I can't make it any more win than that.
Again this is more for bum than anybody else but feel free to call me names some more. I am nothing but pro town. Now, as people start to question your plan. Tack goes from 100% scum (AS seen in point #2 and #3 of your plan) To only being 66% scum... you think. Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 05:41 Jackal58 wrote:
If you sheep could read you'd already have seen where 3 or 4 times including my original post regarding my plan I have always admitted I might be wrong. Wait, now your saying you could be wrong... look at the first post here, you linked it. You NEVER SAID YOU COULD BE WRONG. You said Tack could be red or black. You NEVER ONCE said he could be green. LIER! Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 05:57 Jackal58 wrote:On March 27 2011 05:49 Lanaia wrote:On March 27 2011 05:45 Insanious wrote:
If you want to change my mind you have to prove it... give me PMs. Give me something to change my mind.
Because you NEVER will sway ANYONE simply going "guys... believe me, I'm town I swear!" QFT. But seriously, Jackal, why isn't it necessary to give us proof? Same to annul. Because none of us have any "proof". I can tell you what items LW and coag have. But I'm not going to. I can't prove coag and LW are town any more than I could prove LSB and coag were town in XXXVII. Bum if you want to lynch me go for it. But then lynch darm tack and annul in the next 3 days. Probably be too late but hey. What the hell. I'll be dead. HELL, now you are saying that you don't even have proof to say that track is scum or not... you are just guessing. Before you confirmed he was scum, now you are saying he might not be? That its just a hunch... - - - - So your plan was built on a LIE (Tack being confirmed scum), because you LIED saying he was scum (see posts above)... then you LIED saying you didn't LIE. :/ Time to look into your other LIES. On March 27 2011 08:12 Insanious wrote:Let's start with a short lie, that deconduo caught you with Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 06:53 Jackal58 wrote:On March 27 2011 06:40 Tackster wrote:
Coagulation even if I were to agree that the posts were scummy - which of course they werent
and i were to agree you did analysis on them - which you didnt, you just said 'look scum' and left it there
you still are referencing PMs that occured AFTER you FOSsed me.
You haven't mentioned any material from before you made your mind up. Nobody could say anything about you until I posted my plan. You were inactive. Now you're the towns darling. If I had put forth darm or annul you'd still be lurking. Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 06:59 deconduo wrote:On March 27 2011 06:53 Jackal58 wrote:On March 27 2011 06:40 Tackster wrote:
Coagulation even if I were to agree that the posts were scummy - which of course they werent
and i were to agree you did analysis on them - which you didnt, you just said 'look scum' and left it there
you still are referencing PMs that occured AFTER you FOSsed me.
You haven't mentioned any material from before you made your mind up. Nobody could say anything about you until I posted my plan. You were inactive. Now you're the towns darling. If I had put forth darm or annul you'd still be lurking. At what point was he inactive? He's been posting since the game started. He has 100 posts, all of them in this thread. You are making shit up once again. Lie caught 6 minutes later... Now into another lie, that ties into this one... Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 14:02 Tackster wrote:
Next I had only PMd ONE person before going to be last night. I told that person that we have an opportunity to work together because they gave me green vibes in the thread. I made a CLEAR condition however - I would only work together once I had somehow cleared them AND they had cleared me. That is to say I don't work with people that I haven't cleared but I also don't work with people that im not sure have cleared me. For the obvious reason that it doesn't make sense to work with me if im not clear to you.
Seeing as I only spoke with 1 person this item game team has decided i'm scum WITHOUT EVEN TALKING TO ME. Jackal, coag, etc. have PMd only today while i've been catching up on the thread to find this unbelievably wild accusation
Wait WHAT? You said he never responded to PMs... that you never sent. NO SHIT. Doesn't make him scum, YOU LIED TO MAKE HIM LOOK SCUMMY. You left him out of the PM circle, you didn't even PM him, and then you oust him for not PM'ing you, wow... LIER LIER LIER. On March 27 2011 08:13 Insanious wrote:
Do I need to actually go and look for you confirming 3 town VS Coag saying that people aren't confirmed, that you are going to confirm them during the night? It only happened like 2 pages ago... On March 27 2011 08:25 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 08:23 Coagulation wrote:
you cant hold him accountable for what i said. dont be a twat
Yes I can. If I said: The earth revolves around the sun and you said: No the sun revolves around the earth Then I would be lying, and you would be proving it. He said: You, Himself, and Lemon were confirmed 100% town You said: We are going to confirm You, Jackal, and Lemon on Night 1. You proved that he lied about people being confirmed. He was caught in a lie. You caught him in the lie, then never called him out on it. On March 27 2011 08:27 Insanious wrote:Then its 3 lies for Jackal, and 1 lie for you... maybe you are the other scum. I don't know. On March 27 2011 08:32 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 08:28 Coagulation wrote:
Insanious your actions so far have been a pretty clear indicator that you are invested in saving tack far more than a townie would.
we are gonna kill tack.
and then we are gonna kill you when he flips red.
your really just making it easier on town at this point I'm interested in killing scum. Tack doesn't look scummy to me... Jackal does. Has nothing to do with Tack. I haven't even brought up the Tack lynch in a while. I've been talking about killing Jackal, where he lied. He was lieing while talking about Tack. Don't try to make a link where there isn't one. There is a big difference between me defending tack and attacking Jackal. You can't seem to see that. Hopefully the rest of the town can. On March 27 2011 08:42 Insanious wrote:
In my eyes, you and Jackal have done absolutely nothing. You have shown nothing to support that you have done anything. You talk... amongst your selves. You tell town to trust you. But you haven't acutally tried to tell me you've done anything.
Tack has at least participated in the game. He laid out ideas for the town to look at. He gave posts for the town to analyze. And he looks green.
The rest of you IG players have not done that, you play in your own little world... and guess what its biting you in the ass.
As town, you need to share info, so that we don't kill you. Its how it always works. Mafia work to keep info away from the town. Thats how it works.
By being secretive you are shooting your self in the foot.
Now Jackal is caught up in lies, with no way to explain them, and he looks 100% scum,
You are out here defending him simply because you put work into making some sort of plan, that I assume exists or you wouldn't be defending him... but I don't know if it does...
You have vested interests that are clouding your judgement. If you actually want to help Jackal and the town. SHOW ME HOW HE IS NOT SCUM. Don't just tell me that he isn't. As I read through all his posts, I found something very interesting and telling: He argues extensively with jackal/coag, but never once does he call them scum! He calls them liers, condems their actions, and otherwise defaces their plans. Towards the end he says that “maybey [coag] is scum” But never calls him scum. Long into the argument, he states that jackal “looks scummy”, but he still hasn’t called them scum! He holds just strong opinions about their play, but he is extremely weak when it comes to the actual accusation! This is such a scum thing to do! They KNOW they are innocent, so they have a hard time saying otherwise. In conclusion, read the introduction. Insanious is Scum.
@wrong opinions: PMs are strong when in a 100% town circle. Aka. the blue circle. I wasn't saying PMs are wrong period. They are just weak when there are scum already infiltrated in your PM circle.
In the IG, the players DO NOT know who is scum. As such, they are sharing information with the scum that they are not sharing with the rest of the town. This is dangerous. Players are trusting other players that they do not know are town. This leads to mafia manipulation...
How hard is that to understand? Mafia in PM circles kill town, its been see many times before (I haven't played in any games with PMs but people do talk about it)
@Defending Tackster, I give you day 1 in Mafia XXXV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=179009¤tpage=11#213
Annul vs LSB + ME
Annul was mafia, LSB was blue, I was blue.
I did not know what the player's alignments were, but I defended LSB for almost the whole day vs Annul, and almost saved LSB. LSB was a blue, who died to Annul a RED.
I was a town, protecting another town, that I had a gut feeling was not mafia, vs a mafia player.
This is how I play town.
@the case vs coag and jackal.
To me, this is the same thing was me vs annul. Go ready that day 1. I attack annul, deface his plan, try to save LSB. I never call Annul scum once. I even try to get someone else lynched... heck, for the first like 20 hours of day 1 in that game, I don't even have a lynch target, I just know LSB is a terrible lynch. I eventually settle on brocket (someone who is scum, and i thought was scum due to meta since I played a game with him before where he was town... I was right)
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This is how I play town, yes its different then other people... but I stick my neck out there and feverently attack and defend players. As town, this is how I play since if I die, it matters little as long as I find scum.
You can see the same thing when I go after DXCLIV in pokemafia (page 43 I think)
Or how about when my role restricts how I play town, and I cannot defend players only attack:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=186653
I lurk like no other.
I suck at pointing out scum, but am very good at finding town... useless in mafia, maybe. But its what I do.
In every game I have played, I have been town:
Pokemafia: was a medic, who day 1 and then day 4 posted A LOT attacking two players Kenpachi and DXCLIV
mafia XXXV: was vet, had a 1000 post day 1, where I attacked Annuls plan to kill LSB without a replacement lynch. I was town, annul was mafia, LSB was town.
Orgah Mafia: was restricted in that I could only attack those I thought was mafia, lurked because I had nothing to say (as I generally have no opinions on who is and who isn't mafia)
Deathfactory: Special circumstances, but revealed my powerful town role day 1, then posted an obscenely large amount of times, putting my neck out there, as mafia would of killed me night 1, or i would of been lynched for getting the wrong people killed day 1.
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I play mafia like this... if you haven't figured that out yet, then you can lynch me and see that I am green and waste a day for the town.
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