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"By going for the blacks, you remove any vested interest they have in the item game. So what you are saying is you want to go for the black player, singled out from the two scum present, so that then the black team will try to snipe the mafia in the game?"
this is true. HOWEVER, if that happens, consider this:
town, town, town, mayor town, red.
what is the red going to do? red is now DISINCENTIVIZED to kill item game town at night. there will come a time when it is mayor town vs red. then the red cant actually do anything about it. oh hey we fingered the red, hes dead, we win item game. the red is going to have an incentive to leave the town alone, forcing town to implode and their only chance is to try to get town to lynch the mayor OR buy more time so the reds can take out the bodyguards. in either scenario, it puts the ball back in our court instead of the instant win on day 5 that black has now without item game town mayorship
"So why are you so worried about the black, but not the red?"
read above.
"and you still haven't explained why you don't mention killing the red who is present in the item game as well"
am i seriously just not communicating well enough, or does he have reading problems? like honestly, who else does not understand what i am talking about? even if you disagree with the logic, at least everyone else understands my argument, right?
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On March 25 2011 08:26 annul wrote:
"The lack of a counter-claim DOES confirm him as blue. If things stay that way 'till the end of day one, then he is blue."
imagine this scenario:
1. hatter
2. multi-shot vig
3. mass medic
4. jack
would any of these 4 give themselves up in a trade 1:1 to take out ONE scum? of course not. each strong empowered player needs to use their abilities to take out MULTIPLE scum. in this game, for all intents and purposes, it's 10 scum vs 20 nonscum. that is 33% scum when standard play is 20% scum. 1:1 trades are no good here.
Multi-shot vigilante can just shoot Bum upright?
And what is a jack?
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On March 25 2011 08:27 Tackster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 08:10 LSB wrote:On March 25 2011 08:06 annul wrote:
oh hey red has 2 KP apparently
what is the KP formula for the red team? No comment... From now on Annul, before you ask a questions check if it is answered in the OP. If Yes, don't ask the question. If No, you probably don't need to know the answer, so don't ask the question. Harsh but INCREDIBLY fair...
no, it actually is the antithesis of fairness, unless he treats EVERYBODY ELSE with the same gavel.
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On March 25 2011 08:31 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 08:26 annul wrote:
"The lack of a counter-claim DOES confirm him as blue. If things stay that way 'till the end of day one, then he is blue."
imagine this scenario:
1. hatter
2. multi-shot vig
3. mass medic
4. jack
would any of these 4 give themselves up in a trade 1:1 to take out ONE scum? of course not. each strong empowered player needs to use their abilities to take out MULTIPLE scum. in this game, for all intents and purposes, it's 10 scum vs 20 nonscum. that is 33% scum when standard play is 20% scum. 1:1 trades are no good here. Multi-shot vigilante can just shoot Bum upright? And what is a jack?
Jack, or JOAT is the Jack of All Trades.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=176529
Jack Of All Trades - Aren't you the Renaissance man/woman? You can pick 1 power each night between: Investigate, Protect, Shoot, Talk. You only have 1 shot at using each power. Investigate gives results of an Alignment Check(Sane).
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I read but can't find again a post where someone claimed all roles have been outed? Did anyone see that - who,when?
Slip?
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On March 25 2011 08:31 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 08:26 annul wrote:
"The lack of a counter-claim DOES confirm him as blue. If things stay that way 'till the end of day one, then he is blue."
imagine this scenario:
1. hatter
2. multi-shot vig
3. mass medic
4. jack
would any of these 4 give themselves up in a trade 1:1 to take out ONE scum? of course not. each strong empowered player needs to use their abilities to take out MULTIPLE scum. in this game, for all intents and purposes, it's 10 scum vs 20 nonscum. that is 33% scum when standard play is 20% scum. 1:1 trades are no good here. Multi-shot vigilante can just shoot Bum upright? And what is a jack?
jack = multiple abilities, choose one each day
and multi shot vig may not want to waste the bullet, and if he comes out, he loses his chance to shoot in the future.
try 2 hatters then. my point is there may be roles that can do much more good for the town than trading up 1:1 on day 1.
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Right here:
On March 25 2011 07:19 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 07:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok so I decided to come back and read the thread (procrastination ftw :D) and I'm getting a little disturbed by the opposition to Bum. It's quite simple really; if there's no counter claim than thats that and I feel like enough time has passed that any reasonable blue team would have cc'd by now (unless of course they are waiting for their roles as someone already said). The people who are fighting against Bum are starting to sound scummy with their incessent "What ifs." People, THERE HAS BEEN NO CC. There are now roles, there is no way for a red or black to have a power that lets them get away with this. We've yelled for a CC long enough and it hasn't come. Let's all agree to elect Bum and start discussing lynch targets. Ok no first let's pick a back up for Bum in case someone claims. I'm content with Kav at this point, not sure what everyone else thinks.
Moral of my story is this. Let's just drop the Bum discussion, he's 99% confirmed and it's of little use discussing him further unless we get a claim, right now we're just going in circles. To cover our asses we should all pick a secondary candidate (mine will be Kav) and then get on with the lynch discussion. What?
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On March 13 2011 03:11 LSB wrote:
Blue Police Force- This is the pro town mason circle. In a world full of reds and blacks, the greens need some help, and help comes in the form of the big guns. Of course, the police can’t actually kill people, but they have their own way of helping.
People need to read the OP... blue has 0 KP, and 0 KP roles (or that's how I read this). Meaning, they are either all DTs, Medics, or some other kind of random NON-killing role. So would the blues give up non-violent roles... then yes, unless they are obscenely strong...
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On March 25 2011 08:08 annul wrote:
but since i am green and not red nor black, there isn't this problem <3
Everybody is green til they flip.
Your paranoia of black leads me to believe you are red. That would leave darm as black.
LSB making you scum. That's deliciously hilarious.
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i have a feeling people in the item game are gonna be first to be night hit.
so medics should protect the most pro town players there.
namely me.
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tnkted am i misunderstanding or are you claiming you know your role (as opposed to alignment)?
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On March 25 2011 08:35 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 08:08 annul wrote:
but since i am green and not red nor black, there isn't this problem <3 Everybody is green til they flip. Your paranoia of black leads me to believe you are red. That would leave darm as black. LSB making you scum. That's deliciously hilarious.
I agree, pretty good chance LSB is red from how he is reacting.
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also I repeat what coag just said but slightly more vehemently
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meapak said it was a typo
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You're now just randomly making compositions up in a desperate attempt to stop us voting Bum.
I mean, we don't know roles at all, maybe blue are all day vig's, maybe they're a secret chippendale's police force that can investigate's people's alignment by stripping for them at night. Nobody knows.
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holy fucking shit
will ANYONE, a single person, in the entire game, challenge my MATHEMATICAL analysis of the item game and why it is beneficial to give mayorship to an item game player? i dont care if you think i am a scum, because my MATH is sound. if im scum, nominate someone else. an item game player needs to be mayor.
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On March 25 2011 08:39 Rean wrote:
You're now just randomly making compositions up in a desperate attempt to stop us voting Bum.
I mean, we don't know roles at all, maybe blue are all day vig's, maybe they're a secret chippendale's police force that can investigate's people's alignment by stripping for them at night. Nobody knows.
this @annul
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On March 25 2011 08:39 annul wrote:
holy fucking shit
will ANYONE, a single person, in the entire game, challenge my MATHEMATICAL analysis of the item game and why it is beneficial to give mayorship to an item game player? i dont care if you think i am a scum, because my MATH is sound. if im scum, nominate someone else. an item game player needs to be mayor.
I agree with your math.
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good nite all and I wish you well in what you role's bring.
See you tomorrow to discuss currently important issues such as:
1) Is an uncced blue actually blue?
2) Do things written in the OP actually apply?
3) How come we arent picking a mayor from the item game so we auto-win?
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On March 25 2011 08:38 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 08:35 Jackal58 wrote:On March 25 2011 08:08 annul wrote:
but since i am green and not red nor black, there isn't this problem <3 Everybody is green til they flip. Your paranoia of black leads me to believe you are red. That would leave darm as black. LSB making you scum. That's deliciously hilarious. I agree, pretty good chance LSB is red from how he is reacting.
LSB is pink.
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