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On March 25 2011 03:05 Insanious wrote:
@GMarshal, you also have to take into consideration perople from other time zones... Or people like me that only have 2 posts since I'm at work and can't be on TL all the time
This is true, however I have no way of telling if you are at work or just lurking scum, this I'll have to judge by the quality of your posts, for example Ver/Ser Aspi in the last game posted infrequently but his posts were really great contributions. A lurker isn't someone who isn't posting its someone like Lemonwalrus ATM who is posting without giving us anything to work with.
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as I critizise Lemon he posts an actual significant post... sorry?
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MORE TIME IS BETTER FOR TOWN!!!
Anyone voting 24 hours is SCUM.
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Seriously, the sooner night comes the less information we have to analize, we want the day to be long, more posts = more chance of scum slipping up.
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Wait, is this the sound of discussion dying out I hear? This is plainly unnaceptable, first of all FoS on all the players who have yet to post! I will be after your hides day 1, so be ready for it! Also even if it seems like Bum is the best vote I still want to see who people think he should lynch, for example annul seems to be very much against bum, do you people think this is because he is scum? or is he just a misguided townie?
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On March 25 2011 07:59 Rean wrote:
Nobody even cared about me enlisting as mayor. I feel neglected and sad ;_;
This may have something to do with everyone and their grandmother running for mayor 
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On March 25 2011 08:36 Coagulation wrote:
i have a feeling people in the item game are gonna be first to be night hit.
so medics should protect the most pro town players there.
namely me.
I'm going to disagree, fo a bunch of reasons
1.) no group can afford to take out everyone in the item game but their player as he instantly is revealed (e.g. if the mafia teams takes out all the greens and hangs the 3rd party well, who the mafia is becomes evident)
2.) Why? If they hit in the game they might hit a player who's items have been stolen or who has a crappy item, by hitting the town they have a better chance of getting a blue or a good power.
3.) Medics should use their saves on the most protown players. period. whether in the item game or out of it. Also why are we discussion blue's actions Night 0? the night is still 48+ hours away and we need to worry about other issues.
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On March 25 2011 08:46 annul wrote:
now that i have several people conceding my MATH is sound, can we all agree that an item game player should get the mayorship? therefore, can we stop sucking bum off?
if we can agree to this, now those of us IN ITEM GAME should be able to campaign without interference. if you think i am scum and want me to not get the mayorship, or if you think im just a bad who will waste the job, okay fine, dont vote for me. but at least frame it in that way.
Yeah, I'll take your math over an almost certian blue who needs the protection /sarcasm
Seriously you seem to be so concerned with the math that you fail to see the logic. Personaly I dont think theres a single player in the item game I would seriously consider giving the mayorship to anyway. (no offense to anyone)
Can you seriously not see why bum is the person who should get the mayorship unless the mafia grows some balls and counterclaims? (or the blues if bum is mafia [doubtful])
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On March 25 2011 08:49 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 08:46 GMarshal wrote:On March 25 2011 08:36 Coagulation wrote:
i have a feeling people in the item game are gonna be first to be night hit.
so medics should protect the most pro town players there.
namely me. I'm going to disagree, fo a bunch of reasons 1.) no group can afford to take out everyone in the item game but their player as he instantly is revealed (e.g. if the mafia teams takes out all the greens and hangs the 3rd party well, who the mafia is becomes evident) 2.) Why? If they hit in the game they might hit a player who's items have been stolen or who has a crappy item, by hitting the town they have a better chance of getting a blue or a good power. 3.) Medics should use their saves on the most protown players. period. whether in the item game or out of it. Also why are we discussion blue's actions Night 0? the night is still 48+ hours away and we need to worry about other issues. Green can afford to. Why don't you love green Gman????
I was considering groups with night kills, you know seeing as we were talking about medics? (they seem to have a tough time saving people from angry mobs, go figure)
of course its in the towns best interest to kill the scum in the group to get 4 cleared townies with items, but those kills should be based on analysis, not on a crapshoot basis.
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On March 25 2011 08:53 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 08:50 GMarshal wrote:
Can you seriously not see why bum is the person who should get the mayorship unless the mafia grows some balls and counterclaims? (or the blues if bum is mafia [doubtful]) yes, i seriously can not see why bum should get the mayorship. that's only been my entire case all day
Ok, let me break it down for you then.
Lets take our premise, bum is one of 4 things 1.) Insane Townie, 2.) A Blue, 3.) Third Party 4.) Mafia
lets make Mafia and Third party one category as third party is pretty much like the mafia, except less interested in the mayorship, and lets eliminate one, becuase if thats the case I lose all respect for bum forever.
So bum is either 1.) a Blue 2.) Lying scum
Lets assume he is Blue, then thats great we just elected a mayor with a blue circle and with who knows what powers, we gained an advantage, even assuming the precense of a role blocker its still a pretty good deal.
Lets assume he is red, then a blue WILL counterclaim (this is optimal play) we lynch one to figure out the alignment of the other, worst case, we lynch the blue and get a red tommorow, best case we have a confirmed blue for medic protects.
If a red counterclaims then we get the same scenario as above.
So essentialy we have a claimed mouthpeice for the blues, which we might have to sacrifice to kill scum if there is a counter claim.
Do you see it now? Its just logic...
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On March 25 2011 09:48 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 09:46 annul wrote:
but before this happens, EVERY SINGLE PLAYER in this game should take a good look at who is actively opposing me. if/when i flip green, you have at least a handful of scum on your hands.
i say this not to attempt to persuade people i am green or even that anyone in particular is scum. just remember who is fighting this tooth and nail. Regardless of your alignment, that sort of statement is pure bullshit. Why on earth would scum or 3rd party want bum as mayor? They are the ones who will be supporting you, not the other way around.
Silence it is clear we are SCUM for opposing annul.
quick let us retreat to our eiiiiiiiiivil lair where we will murder kittens, drown puppies and elect blues to rule the town /evil laugh
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On March 25 2011 09:52 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 09:50 deconduo wrote:On March 25 2011 09:46 annul wrote:
[b]ONE BLUE IS WORTH MORE TO THE TOWN THAN SACRIFICING HIMSELF TO GET RID OF ONE SCUM./b] Another retarded argument. If bum is lying and a blue claims, how is that sacrificing himself? He will have someone to back him up, and won't get lynched. He will be elected mayor and his partner will have a medic protecting him. We get to lynch a scum day one and a blue mayor. If bum is telling the truth we have a blue mayor. ok let me indulge you. "I AM A BLUE*. BUM IS NOT BLUE. HE IS LYING." auto mayor please! * i'm not actually blue.
Then we lynch you, if you flip red/black then we know bum is blue, if not we lynch bum the next day. If you are green we throw up our arms in frustration. See? easy ^_^
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On March 25 2011 09:58 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 09:53 Tackster wrote:
i KNOW i shouldn't go on but i think we may be close to a breakthrough here...
Annul: Why isn't he confirmed? Give me a situation in which he isn't blue when:
There are no ccs
The blue players aren't afk
Just answer that question PLEASE
Stop answering it by telling me he IS blue and he is NOT confirmed and he COULD be blue.
Just tell me the situation in which he isn't blue given the constraints we're assuming If blues are waiting until they get their roles to claim, so they don't counterclaim and accidentally reveal their player who becomes mass medic day/night vig and DT all at once, or something like that. :p Like I said, I'm not considering Bum as mayor until some time has actually passed where people have their roles. Then I'll consider his blue claim more legitimate.
I fully support this post, thanks Mr.Wiggles for making this point.
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@ wiggles
Blue Police Force - This is the pro town mason circle. In a world full of reds and blacks, the greens need some help, and help comes in the form of the big guns. Of course, the police can’t actually kill people, but they have their own way of helping.
To me this means NO kills, no hatters, no vigs, etc.
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On March 25 2011 10:01 annul wrote:
ho
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shit.
do you just simply refuse to recognize the potential for blues to be worth more than 1 scum death? notice how not a SINGLE PLAYER has argued against that point, despite bringing it up repeatedly. please, decon. counter that point directly. please. dont straw man, dont ad hominem. tell me, is it not possible that a blue's life is worth more than that of ONE scum?
I'll adress it then ^_^
It is possible, but both scum and third party are looking at it from their limited viewpoint, for the scum team is it worth sacrificing one of six members for a blue who's powers they don't know? NO, since they have other ways of getting rid of him, it will just take longer, remember while we have to worry about 10 enemies the scum teams each have to worry about the other scum team who can kill them. Even if its an uneven trade for the blues though its probably worth the sacrifice at this point just to eliminate the fake belief in a "confirmed" mayor
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Ok on the positive side there's plenty to analize and some inactives to prod, so lets get to finding some nice scum for our day one lynch shall we? I'm betting that the mafia put out at least one candidate for mayor so I propose taking a close look at all of us who ran.
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As far as I am concerned the discussion with annul is over, we are getting nowhere and letting scum hide in the disagreement. Onto considering lynch targets
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On March 25 2011 10:12 Tackster wrote:
annul is basically confirmed town at this point.... We're probably gonna have to string him along...
I see typing injuries in my future
In no way is he confirmed town, disagreeing with the majority and opposing a pro-town plan means nothing (check XXXVII for proof of that)
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On March 25 2011 10:16 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 10:13 GMarshal wrote:On March 25 2011 10:12 Tackster wrote:
annul is basically confirmed town at this point.... We're probably gonna have to string him along...
I see typing injuries in my future In no way is he confirmed town, disagreeing with the majority and opposing a pro-town plan means nothing (check XXXVII for proof of that) FYI i STILL think your mini town circle plan was retarded and anti-town in 37.
Awesome! you seem to belive many, many things and they can't all be right ^_^
Lets move on shall we, I'd hate to have to debate a plan from an old game that was never used anyway
So, if you had the lynch right now annul who would die?
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On March 25 2011 10:39 Eiii wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 09:50 GMarshal wrote:
Silence it is clear we are SCUM for opposing annul.
quick let us retreat to our eiiiiiiiiivil lair where we will murder kittens, drown puppies and elect blues to rule the town /evil laugh
prerole breadcrumbing, scum imo Also, since I'm pretty much an expert on inactivity, here's a list of people who I don't think have any significant contribution to the game yet:
beneather
amber
kevconsim
Kenpachi
Keep an eye on these guys, please
Well since you are all caught up Eii, who would you kill off if you had to use a daykill right now?
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