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Ok, I'm up, I've re-read and I'm ready to start posting. However it seems useless as anything I say won't get to enough people to avoid this lynch probably anyway *sigh*
This whole stun-gun scenario has come up that somehow confirms 100% that I am scum… I don't see how this is true (in fact I know it isn't true) but everyone seems to have given up at this point and is just going with whatever is easiest… It's very sad that being active will lead people to be lazy but anyway here are some points:
I DID think that jackal had the gun. Therefore it was assumed that when the mafia 'bussed' or 'controlled' coag they knew he had the stun-gun...
Then the whole stun gun scenario came out. The assessment of this scenario is wrong:
Coagulation claimed his stun gun. His made-up stun gun stuns anyone WHO VISITS HIM not anyone he visits!!
So between bussing and controlling:
1. So if him and annul are bussed the only people that can visit coagulation ARE THE PEOPLE WHO VISITED ANNUL.
- Why shoot annul and then bus annul and coag instead of just shooting coag if red did both?
- If black did the bussing then they knew that red were visiting annul and wanted to muddy the waters! Blue knew red visited annul so it's all possible! But if black bussed then how am I scum?
2. If instead he was mind controlled to visit annul this does not count as annul visiting him and therefore the stun gun would not stun anyone!
- Why is this good for me if I'm scum?
- How does this imply I am scum anyway??
The only reason that this makes me scum is that scum made the same assumption I did - Jackal had the gun. But from the above if red thinks jackal has the gun then trying to misdirect cogs stun gun is USELESS!!
So red has in no way played as though they thought Coagulation had the stun--gun. HOW IS THIS NOT OBVIOUS TO EVERYONE???
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Ok im going to clear up some other interim materials:
On March 29 2011 07:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
No, I'm just making a joke, because there's "rumors of the true mayor", and some kind of kingdom, so I think they're related and the "ruler" is the "true mayor", but Tackster posted that he thinks Pandain might be the "true mayor" when he isn't even in the game. :p
I was just saying the character Pandain played in the Night 0 post could be the real mayor, not that pandain was himself in this game.
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On March 29 2011 09:08 Lanaia wrote:
Yeah, people who aren't in the game who keep posting are confusing people. See: Tackster.
I'm tired of the lack of activity from most people. I know there are a few who are obviously not inactive, but I'm really bothered by it. It's things like that which make people like me unable to read others. I know we can't just assume all of those people are scum (I'm sure not EVERY scum would lurk). Also I think there's more than 10 lurkers.
@LSB Are you prodding/notifying people who are inactive or at least threatening them for being inactive?
What's the See: Tackster about?
Are you claiming i'm not in the game?
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On March 29 2011 09:24 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 04:49 Tackster wrote:Now to point out something about Kavs posts: Kav said he can prove if I stole: Kavdragon United States. March 28 2011 14:02. Posts 572
If I could provide proof that he stole the item, would the town decide that he is scum based off of that?
(I'm not saying that he has or hasn't, only that I can find out.) This implies kav either: - Is a Vet AND can check item steals (wtf?) - Is on a PM circle where someone can make the check (still unlikely) - Is lying again This isn't looking good Kav - please reply to this. Firstly I retracted my statement about being able to figure out if you stole an item. It was never about an ability, or access to someone through PM, only logic. Hence my "Nevermind, I have fail logic" post. The rest of your points are implications based off of assumptions that are not true. I didn't lie about being hit.
I basically assumed you could have lied because of that post. So i'll retract that that post makes you look scummy. Also I posted scenario's in which you didn't lie. Seeing as you retract that post I retract the scenarios where you may have lied. Without clearing you obviously
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On March 29 2011 09:29 bumatlarge wrote:
Nice tnk, that explains a lot. Let's see what I can do.
My DT:
Checked Lemon, switched with me and came back as that. Makes perfect sense because that is my role. I believe that explains any FoS we could have had against him. He is no longer a suspect.
I WAS NOT HIT LAST NIGHT
Scum KP:
Red's hit annul. Simple as that, I could explain it but then I would have to kill you.
Black/red hit GMarshal and Kav. Kav is alive, GMarshal is dead.
Coag KP:
Used on tackster. Did not die. Bus already used, so he had to be protected. He clearly did not use his item, because coagulation says he did, which was the only item used, plus tackster should have claimed he used the item. IIRC, he never claimed a hit.
If you want to live tackster you need to answer this post. Lemon is no longer a bigger suspect then you.
Yes explain to me how this makes sense...
#1 Just because you didn't DT check lemon doesn't clear him of being scum
#2 You claim that if Coag was controlled onto annul then i'm 'protected'. This is only if I thought coag had gun. Therefore you are working outside of the 'scum thought he had a stun gun scenario'. If we are working inside that scenario then I was never protected - all that happened was that red tried to stun annul AND shoot him. But the stun wouldn't have gone through because Coag said that the item stuns people that visit coag. Therefore this scenario could not have happened...
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On March 29 2011 10:58 GGQ wrote:
The argument that Tackster can't be mafia because he didn't know coagulation had the gun is fundamentally flawed. There's one thing that everyone, including coagulation, seems to be forgetting.
Coagulation claimed that he had a stun gun that would disable his target's power. That's why scum redirected Coagulation to annul; to disable annul's hot potato so that it wouldn't blow up and kill the other scum who was assigned to shoot annul. Meanwhile Tackster stole from jackal to prevent jackal from shooting him. That fact that Coagulation ended up shooting annul was completely accidental by the mafia.
Thus the 4 kp are as follows:
Red hit annul
Red hit Kav or Gmarshal
Black hit Kav or Gmarshal
Coag hit Tackster, but was redirected by scum to hit annul because scum thought that his stun gun would stop annul's potato from killing the scum who killed annul.
GG lynch Tackster
That's why scum redirected Coagulation to annul; to disable annul's hot potato
[b]This is not how the stun gun was claimed to work
Meanwhile Tackster stole from jackal to prevent jackal from shooting him
This has already been proved not to make me scummy. Tonnes of town would have stolen from jackal too.
Seeing as there was no way scum thought that controlling coag to 'use' his item on annul could have worked this disproves the theory entirely!
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On March 29 2011 11:57 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 11:39 Lemonwalrus wrote:
My last post was 21 pages ago, in much, much simpler times.
I've read the thread from then so far but not as thoroughly as I would have liked to so I'm gonna go back and try to piece things together. In the mean time, if anyone (specifically bumatlarge) has any questions for me to answer go ahead and post them and I'll try to help you out. I have a question for you. Can you confirm that your item is a vest that protects you from night kills? If so, someone in the thread earlier (jackal?) said that your vest would automatically protect you even if you were protecting it rather than using it. This seems wrong to me, so I'd like to hear it from you. Do you have to use the vest for it to protect you or does it do so automatically? And, finally, did your best block a bullet last night?
The point Lemon made is that the vest would protect him if he tried to steal or tried to defend. In that case there is no point in trying to use as you may as well just defend for a better result
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On March 29 2011 20:57 CubEdIn wrote:
You're wrong, there were many people who questioned other things, like why Lemon is "cleared".
I myself have asked for extensive explanations on why we are only focusing on Tack, you need to go back and read the thread more carefully.
And no it wouldn't make sense to steal from Coag, as a KP is more important than a RB for mafia.
And as Coag was clearly the shooter, and jackal's item got stolen, that safely clears them both. As much as you can have someone cleared in a game of Mafia.
So it's between Lemon and Tackster, and it doesn't make sense for mafia to double-shoot Annul if they KNEW Coag had the real gun. It would make much more sense to use the "stun gun" to RB annul's potato.
Anything else makes a lot less sense than this theory.
Why does Jackal having his item stolen clear him in any way? Thats wrong imo.
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Page 140 is mine - i dibs it and no one is allowed to have it 
Anyway:
##Vote: Jackal
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please don't end up like ~OpZ~...
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On March 30 2011 00:57 Tackster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 10:58 GGQ wrote:
The argument that Tackster can't be mafia because he didn't know coagulation had the gun is fundamentally flawed. There's one thing that everyone, including coagulation, seems to be forgetting.
Coagulation claimed that he had a stun gun that would disable his target's power. That's why scum redirected Coagulation to annul; to disable annul's hot potato so that it wouldn't blow up and kill the other scum who was assigned to shoot annul. Meanwhile Tackster stole from jackal to prevent jackal from shooting him. That fact that Coagulation ended up shooting annul was completely accidental by the mafia.
Thus the 4 kp are as follows:
Red hit annul
Red hit Kav or Gmarshal
Black hit Kav or Gmarshal
Coag hit Tackster, but was redirected by scum to hit annul because scum thought that his stun gun would stop annul's potato from killing the scum who killed annul.
GG lynch Tackster That's why scum redirected Coagulation to annul; to disable annul's hot potato[b]This is not how the stun gun was claimed to work Meanwhile Tackster stole from jackal to prevent jackal from shooting himThis has already been proved not to make me scummy. Tonnes of town would have stolen from jackal too.Seeing as there was no way scum thought that controlling coag to 'use' his item on annul could have worked this disproves the theory entirely! [/i]
I've already explained why it would be bad town play for you to steal from jackal.
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Also use this as a reference post when i flip green please:
People I think are green/blue:
Coagulation
Deconduo
Meapak
tnkted
Insanious
Orgolove
CubEdIn
Rean
Wiggles
ilovejohn
GGQ (This addition is new!! Go you!)
Ya that's right - i think i pegged 11 of the 13 remaining greens (2 dead, me dying)
People I think are scum:
Jackal OR Lemon (More Jackal obviously)
Lanaia
Beneather
iGrok
People I think look scummy but i may be reading wrong:
kevconism
Original
chaoser
Lastly my special info from LSB:
From: LSB
Subject: Re: Item Game
Date: 3/28/11 22:51
If all the item game players get killed in one night, no on gets the items.
I don't know if everyone else assumed this - I know I didn't. The reason I'm outing this is that if green/red think that they are going to lose they can try to draw and stop anyone having an advantage. The reason I didn't want to mention this is in case black tried to break the IG. I'm mentioning it now because now:
- We have to medic who we think is green tonight at all costs
- If anything weird happens tonight remember we can always try to draw instead of losing!
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On March 30 2011 01:08 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 00:57 Tackster wrote:On March 29 2011 10:58 GGQ wrote:
The argument that Tackster can't be mafia because he didn't know coagulation had the gun is fundamentally flawed. There's one thing that everyone, including coagulation, seems to be forgetting.
Coagulation claimed that he had a stun gun that would disable his target's power. That's why scum redirected Coagulation to annul; to disable annul's hot potato so that it wouldn't blow up and kill the other scum who was assigned to shoot annul. Meanwhile Tackster stole from jackal to prevent jackal from shooting him. That fact that Coagulation ended up shooting annul was completely accidental by the mafia.
Thus the 4 kp are as follows:
Red hit annul
Red hit Kav or Gmarshal
Black hit Kav or Gmarshal
Coag hit Tackster, but was redirected by scum to hit annul because scum thought that his stun gun would stop annul's potato from killing the scum who killed annul.
GG lynch Tackster That's why scum redirected Coagulation to annul; to disable annul's hot potato[b]This is not how the stun gun was claimed to work Meanwhile Tackster stole from jackal to prevent jackal from shooting himThis has already been proved not to make me scummy. Tonnes of town would have stolen from jackal too.Seeing as there was no way scum thought that controlling coag to 'use' his item on annul could have worked this disproves the theory entirely! I've already explained why it would be bad town play for you to steal from jackal. [/i]
Even if you think that is true given how the stun gun was claimed to work how does your theory make sense?
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On March 30 2011 00:59 chaoser wrote:
please don't end up like ~OpZ~...
????
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People I think look scummy but i may be reading wrong:
chaoser
lol...that's all I'm going to say
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On March 30 2011 01:11 Jackal58 wrote:????
posting like five hundred posts? get banned?
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On March 30 2011 01:09 Tackster wrote:Lastly my special info from LSB: Show nested quote +From: LSB
Subject: Re: Item Game
Date: 3/28/11 22:51
If all the item game players get killed in one night, no on gets the items. I don't know if everyone else assumed this - I know I didn't. The reason I'm outing this is that if green/red think that they are going to lose they can try to draw and stop anyone having an advantage. The reason I didn't want to mention this is in case black tried to break the IG. I'm mentioning it now because now: - We have to medic who we think is green tonight at all costs - If anything weird happens tonight remember we can always try to draw instead of losing!
LSB has already posted that in the thread. No secret.
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On March 30 2011 01:11 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 01:11 Jackal58 wrote:On March 30 2011 00:59 chaoser wrote:
please don't end up like ~OpZ~... ???? posting like five hundred posts? get banned?
Ahh. Had no idea.
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Ok sorry about the multiple posts - i thought people would prefer broken up posts rather than a long one - now I know for the future!!
Why is no one commenting on the fact that the stun gun didnt claim to work the way people are saying??
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