yes, I do think it is bad advice, because frankly its most likely the the fanatic is going to hit another fanatic and put the town in a bad spot, rather than actually hitting mafia, I'm sure its good advice for someone who has ungodly scumhunting abilities but sucks at persuading town, or if we had two suspects one of which we know to be scum for sure, but that wasn't the case, it was a case of "I'm going to hang, pick random target, detonate"

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 18 2011 22:37 GMT

#220

On February 19 2011 07:36 LunarDestiny wrote:
People, after I died. Look at Gmarshall's last post.

He basically say:
-Play this like regular mafia game and don't suicide unless you are pretty damn sure.
-Mafia isn't scared about being forced to suicide.
-Town can't afford any more mistake.
-Hinting not to use suicide ever again if not very certain.

this is exactly what I am saying. where's the problem with it?

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 18 2011 22:46 GMT

#223

well, unless you or chaoser are red then the setup just tilted more in the mafias favor, notice how I said it should only be used if we are almost certain? That means that much like a vigi shot we should save it for when we know we are going to get something out of it.

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 18 2011 22:52 GMT

#227

I'm done arguing with you LD, just look where your "logic" has put us.

Anyway the day is extended by 24 hours so we should discuss lynch options

just a list of people I want to hear from

1 Coagulation
2 Original Name
3 Amber[LighT]

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 18 2011 22:53 GMT

#229

On February 19 2011 07:51 darmousseh wrote:
What the heck happened. Why Lunar? if you are going to do that do it closer to the deadline at least, but threatening someone to go boom just makes you into a into a target. Do we know if they are both green or are we still waiting for the host to post?

we are waiting on the host, but they are almost certainly both green

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 18 2011 23:28 GMT

#237

ok, so can we all agree to keep our hands well away from our detonators unless we are sure we are going to hit scum?

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 18 2011 23:45 GMT

#239

On February 19 2011 08:35 Coagulation wrote:
Fantastic job folks.

Thanks for the awesome contribution, so who do you think is most likely to be scum coag, what is your opinion on using suicide bombings to get mafia targets? Should we not lynch today since we already lost two townies or should we go for the lynch hoping we have enough information to hit scum?

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 19 2011 02:14 GMT

#254

I'll go for the pressure vote as well
##Unvote
##Vote Original Name

now contribute something! what are your thoughts on the whole situation?

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 19 2011 02:16 GMT

#255

On February 19 2011 11:11 Jackal58 wrote:

Show nested quote +

You're doing scummy math.

Show me the non-scummy math then jackal! you insist on keeping your suspicion on people with actually supporting it at all, please show me your pro-town mathematical ability

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 19 2011 03:05 GMT

#257

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 19 2011 12:00 OriginalName wrote:

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Hey I said I was going to be inactive for the next while so give me a break.

On our current situation-

Right now Town is at a clear disadvantage and the popular targets seem to be:

GGQ
Amber[light]
Coagulation

And for some people very possibly myself due to my weird schedule and just when I find time to post.

Coag is just odd in his playstyle right now he's probably my biggest fear for town so I really don't know what to think about him. Amber I believe is town and GGQ inreally need to look over more If something of his catches my eye I'll make another post soon

We need to solidfy a lynch target now or not at all.

Remember, they are coming.

Apologies, I missed that you said you were going to be inactive, although I don't consider it a very good excuse I can give you a pass on it, your post is pretty good so for now I'll give you a free pass

for now coag you haven't contributed at, so post more please

## unvote
##vote coagulation

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 19 2011 03:34 GMT

#260

Ok, jackal lets look at whats the current situation is ok?
There are originally 11 players, 3 scum 7 town 1 medic
1. medic
2. town
3. town
4. town
5. town
6. town
7. town
8 town
9 scum
10 scum
11 scum

now chaoser and ld bomb each other so two town die leaving us with:

1. medic
2. town
3. town
4. town
5. town
6. town
9 scum
10 scum
11 scum

lets assume a mislynch, a terrible one, we hang the medic

2. town
3. town
4. town
5. town
6. town
9 scum
10 scum
11 scum
that leaves 5 town 3 scum, scum have 1 kp so the next day we have

3. town
4. town
5. town
6. town
9 scum
10 scum
11 scum

hence lyol, best case scenario we lynch right and also bomb a mafia leaving us with
5. town
6. town
9 scum
at the end of the night

Lets see what happens if we don't lynch today

1. medic
2. town
3. town
4. town
5. town
6. town
9 scum
10 scum
11 scum

then over night lets assume no medic save, in fact lets say mafia get lucky and kill the medic

2. town
3. town
4. town
5. town
6. town
9 scum
10 scum
11 scum

then if we mislynch and assuming no medic save/dead medic, we get a 3/3 tie which means mafia wins

hence it is in our best interest to lynch someone today

please point out where this math is scummy jackal, as of right now I'm tempted to FoS you, the only thing that is keeping me from voting against you is the fact I dont think this is your style when you are mafia, you are far less aggressive when you are

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 19 2011 04:01 GMT

#265

ok, back to the pictures jackal

2. town
3. town
4. town
5. town
6. town
9 scum
10 scum
11 scum

in the morning, assume one townsperson is lynched ,
this is who is left at the beginning of the night

3. town
4. town
5. town
6. town
9 scum
10 scum
11 scum

then, that night, mafia kill someone leading to

4. town
5. town
6. town
9 scum
10 scum
11 scum

is that more clear now?

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 19 2011 04:13 GMT

#267

right, so both times we lose by the morning of day 3, so we may as well lynch today

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 19 2011 05:45 GMT

#271

While I too find Jackal frustrating, I would hold off on lynching him, if he really is town then I can practically guarantee he'll kamikaze tomorrow as he seems convinced you are mafia, instead vote to lynch Coagulation, he hasn't posted any contributions at all, or Original Name who claims he is too busy right now (which could be true, its also an excellent excuse to lurk)

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 19 2011 19:30 GMT

#283

@Amber if you look at how jackal is playing he is playing exactly the way he usually does when he is town, including the hyperaggressive posts, please stop insisting on hanging him, we cannot afford any mislynches.

Coag, we are waiting to hear from you, you seem to be under quite a bit of pressure, so it would be in your best interest to come out and say something

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 19 2011 22:34 GMT

#287

actually I'm willing to take coag up on that offer, as long as we have his word that he will detonate tomorrow morning against a mafia target (coag has really good scumhunting skills IMO), also if he were scum I dont think he would offer to do so, instead he would probably claim medic.

so instead of that
##Unvote
##Vote OriginalName

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 19 2011 22:36 GMT

#289

care to explain please Coag? What makes you think they are mafia?

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 19 2011 22:50 GMT

#292

To be perfectly honest, my gut says Amber[Light] is scum, and his willingness to lynch jackal, who is almost certainly an overaggressive townie, at this point in the game when we have established that we cannot afford a mislynch makes me really suspicious of him
##Unvote
##Vote Amber[Light]

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 20 2011 01:21 GMT

#306

ok, at this point I still think Amber[Light] is most likely scum, but I see GGQ's vote as an attempt at bussing, I don't understand your reasoning at all Coag so you better explain it during the night phase, still though, I'm willing to go with it on the suspicion that you have a logical reason for doing this.

Actually no one tired to defend Amber which is pretty indicative of a townie being bandwagoned, i think I get your reasoning Coag, although I still suspect Amber[Light] of being scum

##Unvote
##Vote GGQ