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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 16 2011 19:35 GMT
#7
/in hopefully Orgah will be over or XXXVII won't have started before this begins
I really like this set up though, it seems awesome.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 16 2011 21:52 GMT
#25
ohh, Happy Birthday Barundar !!!
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 17 2011 01:20 GMT
#56
This is like world at war, except everyone gets nukes and there are no counter nukes, this is going to end in hilarity
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 17 2011 01:40 GMT
#58
On February 17 2011 10:23 LSB wrote:
Remember guys, it's a suicide bomb!

Its two kp for the price of one! what a great deal!
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 17 2011 02:08 GMT
#68
hahahahaha, you seem to be missing a # coag, does it still count?
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 17 2011 02:38 GMT
#82
in all fairness we don't quite know that yet, we are playing in a pretty wonky setup, and the game has literally just stared, some fooling around is to be expected (plus it was amusing)

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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 17 2011 02:39 GMT
#83
EBWOP: that = that coag has reverted to his old self
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 17 2011 02:57 GMT
#85
DLYM? Now I'm curious
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 17 2011 03:37 GMT
#90
On February 17 2011 12:10 GGQ wrote:
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On February 17 2011 11:57 GMarshal wrote:
DLYM? Now I'm curious


Don't Lose Your Mafia!

That was an interesting read, thanks

Anyway, are we going with the plan that the person who is going to be lynched bombs the next scummiest target? or is that far too risky for town, and if you are going to be hung you should just take it like a man? To be honest I'm partial to the second option as in a worst case scenario we lose 3 townies day 1 (really worst case scenario we lose two townies and a medic)

Jackal terrifies me in this game as he has a tendency to tunnel

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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 17 2011 16:07 GMT
#96
so, I'm sitting in lecture and I'm bored so I'm going to promote activity, to be impartial I chose the player that had the most original name

##Vote OriginalName
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 17 2011 19:35 GMT
#106
On February 18 2011 04:31 deconduo wrote:
Ok, the way I see it is we essentially get three lynches per day. Lynch Target 1, if not a medic, can suicide on Lynch Target 2 before he dies. We then kill Lynch Target 3. This is only somewhat fuxxed if Lynch Target 1 is a medic.

I agree that one medic is by far the most likely scenario. If we have two it would be impossible to for mafia to kill them as they can protect each other indefinitely.


and if we are wrong on all 3 then we are in a bad spot, I don't think this is a brilliant idea somehow, unless we are sure of who the mafia is, I belive that if you are a townie and are going to be hung, unless you know for sure (or 90% sure at least) that your target is mafia then its probably better to just die and not take another townie with you.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 17 2011 21:23 GMT
#136
On February 18 2011 06:19 Jackal58 wrote:
Actually Chaoser's suggestion of a non-lynch if somebody goes boom on day 1 is the only suggestion that makes any sense so far.


I think this depends on how sure we are of the lynch target, but it may be a good idea, assuming we aren't really sure of who mafia is
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 18 2011 02:05 GMT
#149
so, since activity has died down, and I want people to post
##Unvote
##Vote Amber[LighT]


please post, you have one post that looks constructive and then you vanish, when you vanish like that I have to wonder if you are off scheming with the anti town forces, so please post to reassure me
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 18 2011 02:10 GMT
#150
EBWOP: I know however that Amber[LighT] is obviously a model citizen of this fine nation and would never scheme with the anti town forces, however it is as important for a citizen to appear virtuous as to be virtuous
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 18 2011 18:13 GMT
#161
On February 19 2011 02:20 Jackal58 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 19 2011 02:02 Amber[LighT] wrote:
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On February 18 2011 23:17 Barundar wrote:
Agreed with deconduo, i usually wake up to pages. This is not the usual day 1 FoS circus for sure.

My problem with LunarDestiny's post is it's build up as a "here are my thoughts on 3 important people", but really it ends up not saying anything about them. The coag bit could be: I'm watching for if coag has actually changed his play", GMarshal... well he doesn't say anything about him, and the Chaoser bit sounds defensive. So I have to wonder, why does he post a for him pretty long post without any content? I find it suspecious, even if it doesn't mean he is mafia.

Earlier I posted a list of deconduo, LunarDestiny chaoser and Amber[light] as the most experienced, and there is bound to be a mafia in there. The chaoser vs Deconduo fight looks a lot like 2 townies fighting to me. Chaoser's posts where short and emotional, quite different from his long posts in mini mafia V, and deconduo went after him fearlessly, I'm pretty certain mafia would be more careful not to piss off people in a setup like this.

That leaves Amber and LunarD. Amber has not responded to my questions to his posts, and LunarD made a very fast FoS on Coagulation, and later a suspeciously empty post. So LunarD, what do you think of Amber's posting behavior, and Amber are you sticking with Chaoser and Deconduo as suspects still?


I'm not suspicious of Deconduo anymore. He's clearly helping out now and my only problem was that he was inactive. Not really much of a basis to lynch anybody.

I'm on the fence on Chaoser. On one hand we saw the completely useless joking posts that "irked" a bunch of people at the start, and it struck a nerve with me unconsciously, but I didn't want that to be "the only reason we lynched him." On the other hand I agree with his plan that we shouldn't lynch and bomb. It's actually one of the best ideas for us to follow; however we don't have much of a basis for lynching... but wait, YES WE DO.

In my earlier post I stated that everyone should post a list of suspects. Specifically 3 suspects that you would believe to be on the mafia team. Wow isn't that swell? Now since we clearly don't have everybody on board with this plan it's not going to work. People were also asking "why," well it's simple. THis gives the town an opportunity to know what everybody is thinking. It also gives everybody an idea of who's suspicious of who. It's all out on the table. We can then discuss the suspects without any hiding. Deceit is going to suffocate this town.

This also gives us a preliminary idea of our suspects. If there's too many random suspects (everybody picks 3 people in random orders) then we should go ahead and say that we're not ready to blow someone up. Lynching 1 person and then finding out he's just a townie is so much better than playing guessing games with 5+ potential targets. This also gives us some time before we begin voting and it's not going to be a surprise to the lynch candidate that he was chosen. If he's mafia then whatever... If he's a fanatic then hopefully he realizes that he should not try and be a hero and take someone with him.

Don't forget just because we list suspects doesn't mean that we have found any mafia. It's still Day 1 and we need to recognize that as well. I would also say it's important that we agree on not using any suicides at all for Day 1. I really don't think we could be so certain that we're going to hit mafia by sacrificing one of our own tonight. Our odds are much lower than later on down the line, and I've stated this before.

Now lets see...

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On February 18 2011 02:05 Barundar wrote:
On February 18 2011 01:20 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Everyone should get their behavioral analysis hats on and start thinking about 4 players. I'm going to assume that there is only 1 medic in this game, since anymore than that would probably be broken for the town. Why? Simple. Role claiming would be a slightly less risky plan with multiple medics since there is less risk of losing our protection abilities as the days continue. Okay so now you want to focus on finding 4 players. 3 of them should be your potential mafia players. Easier said than done right? The other is who you think is the medic. Keep tabs on all of these players. Try to do your best to save your medic pick without vocalizing that you think 'player x is who I think is the medic!'

What criteria would you suggest for people to use when selecting 3 mafia, and why do you think it's necessary to guess on who the medic is? I've found that if you think someone is mafia, don't get distracted by trying to find connections to others, focus on one lynch at time.

In my opinion it would be great if people posted 3 suspects, but without reasons it's not worth much?

With that said...

I'm still interested in hearing from Deconduo since he's been rather quiet. I think once we hit the first 24 hours it would be safe to say he's lurking. It's weird because he posted an hour before the game started, but since he's from Europe I'm going to give him a pass on that since he most likely went to sleep by time everything started.

Chaoser is another one I want to hear about. He's been quiet and his only post has been "lawl." He didn't seem very intent on creating a strategy for us to follow aside from laughing.

Lynch suspects for Day 1? I would start with those 2. Chaoser would probably be my bet as of right now since he hasn't contributed after the Coag thing, which people were kinda getting upset about. It's not like he actually exploded! We can't sit around and discuss useless information or play-styles. This isn't exactly innovative Coagulation play it's pretty much normal from what I remember of his style.

It's evening/afternoon in EU at the moment. I know deconduo likes to lurk when mafia


Behavioral analysis. The backbone of playing mafia. Read up on it if you're not too great at it. We don't have a lot of posts to go through yet but the best way is to catch players when they make mistakes. Call them out. Players have already done that. Don't forget just because someone calls another player out doesn't mean they're automatically safe. If people don't give good reasoning then they should be looked at by other players. It's up to all of us to keep tabs on everybody in this game.

I want players to begin thinking about who the medic could be. Don't say it in the thread. This way when you see that name pop up in a list you can start working to save him/her. Medic anonymity is key in this game. Best case scenario is that we lynch mafia today, then the medic has a 1/8 survival. Worst case scenario is someone gets upset, blows himself and another fanatic up, and we lynch a 3rd fanatic, making the medics survival rate 1/5 for night one. That's almost an 8% reduction!!!

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On February 18 2011 11:05 GMarshal wrote:
so, since activity has died down, and I want people to post
##Unvote
##Vote Amber[LighT]


please post, you have one post that looks constructive and then you vanish, when you vanish like that I have to wonder if you are off scheming with the anti town forces, so please post to reassure me


Quality over quantity my friend. I'm learning to post with more meaning since I typically would get ignored in games with nonsensical banter. You are clearly not following my plan and just gunning me down. I won't hold it against you since I get fans voting for me every game.

Since I don't want to disappoint I want to make sure I follow my own plan.

I want to keep Chaoser on my list of suspects. I am putting him at the bottom of my list though. I like his idea but he hasn't come forward and helped identify scummy players. A lot of players seem to believe he's scummy too and have posted reasons and have called him out on it and he gets quite defensive. And the suicide defense is never a good defense. If we all did that we would never lynch anybody and wait for mafia to pick us all off. We need more.

My most suspicious is definitely Jackal58. You FOS me without much defense. You call my initial post scummy. You won't even contribute other than useless one liners. And the kicker is that GGQ asked you to elaborate on my FOS and you refused to do so. You said it "has no substance." It's the only plan aside from Chaosers "don't lynch AND bomb" plan. You haven't posted anything better than what I have. That's textbook scumplay and that's actually something that RoL did to me in a past game IIRC. All you do is make simple refutes and then barely contribute. There's no way I can sit here and say to myself that you're around for the benefit of the town. You are not helping the town yet want to initiate a smear campaign against me?

My number 2 would be Coagulation, and this is a weak suspicion as well. Him and Chaoser both did the "blow my self up defense" and I, at first, felt it was okay to let it slide, but then he did it again and if we need to make an example out of players then so be it. I really feel like, with Chaoser, that this is a weak suspicion and I would like to keep both of them around until tomorrow. There's not enough on Coag for me to say he's the most scummiest. I also feel like he's going to be an asset late game and we need him around.

I believe we should lynch Jackal58 tonight, and not use any fanatic abilities. I would like the rest of the town to be on board with at least not using the fanatic ability. We only have a couple of pages of content and our most suspicious might be our best bet, but 2 and 3 on anybody's list right now is going to be weak since we haven't really dived into this game yet. Don't forget that it's still Day 1.

If I missed something someone wants to know let me know. I didn't get the chance to post yesterday but I should be around periodically today.

I don't need to write a book to say this is just more of the nothing you said before. That doesn't make me scummy. Nice OMGUS btw.


Ok, I dont see how you can say that Amber's post consists of "nothing" in it he makes a couple good points,
1.) Everyone should try to identify the medic so in case he seems likely to be lynched the lynch can be redirected
2.) We should all make a list of our top 3 suspects, he dosn't really clarify why but is seems like a good idea
3.) Generic do behavioral analysis advice
4.) pokes lurkers
5.) posts a list of 3 suspects
6.) replies to my poke

so it isn't "nothing" it just seems more wordy than is strictly necessary, but that isn't a problem


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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 18 2011 18:24 GMT
#163
Since I don't think its a bad idea I'll go with my list of lynch targets

1.) Original Name: He dosn't seem to be saying much at all, I want him to contribute more, especialy since I've never played with him before and I have no idea of what his posting style is like

2.) Amber[LighT] I like his post, alot, however most of it seems generic town advice, don't blow each other up, identify medic and mafia, etc. I'm going to follow his idea of listing our top 3 suspects because it seems like a decent one. However my gut tells me that he is probably mafia, so for that reason I am going to keep him on my list

3.) Jackal, his contributions have been rather poor and he seems to be tunneling on Amber[LighT], knowing Jackal's style if he isn't mafia then I expect him to be kamikazing someone before day 3 is over, but I guess we'll see, he's on my radar as possible scum for now
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 18 2011 18:25 GMT
#164
of course, just as I say that you post ON , ah well, time to take a look at chaoser as a possible target, although he seems to be playing his normal style
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 18 2011 19:19 GMT
#167
So Jackal, you claim that in your short posts you contribute as much as Amber, lets take a quick look. (my comments in bold)

+ Show Spoiler +
Do we have an idiot role we weren't apprised of?
nothing of relevance, although ok as a response to coag

+ Show Spoiler +

My powers of persuasion are minimum.
So they gave me a bomb.

ok

+ Show Spoiler +
I have no intention of blowing anybody up atm.
Oh and happy birthday.

good to know, although as far as contributions go this isn't one

+ Show Spoiler +

/snip (Amber[Light]'s first post )

This post has mafia written all over it.

unjustified FoS, not really a contribution without backing it up

+ Show Spoiler +
You guys aren't any fun!!!!
thats right, I like my mafia games to be boring!

+ Show Spoiler +

(explaining his FoS)
It has no substance to it. Appears to be well thought out insightful post but it really says nothing at all.

Justifying his FoS, I can consider that a contribution, although I dont agree with him fully, so the contribution count is at 1

+ Show Spoiler +

But we still have to lynch a 3rd person. Then we lose one or two more at night. Start of day 2 town could be down 5 members because somebody wants to suicide rather than hang. That would be pretty much game over.
That's a pretty shitty proposition. I'd say save your boom til it's closer to the end and if you are going on pure chance the odds are more in towns favor to hit scum.
This is still a numbers game. The longer town remains viable the better our chance of winning

Although its obvious, pointing this out is important, as the more we emphasize a non-suicide policy the more likely we are to win, I can count it as a contribution, much like Amber's try to guess medic and keep him alive

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/snip (chaoser says that it was GGQ's FoS on Amber, rather than Jackals)

Just for the sake of clarity that was my FoS on Amber.
clarity is always good

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Actually Chaoser's suggestion of a non-lynch if somebody goes boom on day 1 is the only suggestion that makes any sense so far
.
supporting a good idea, I can count this as a contribution too


+ Show Spoiler +
It's all about numbers. Of course if somebody goes boom and takes a red with them then it changes everything. But if two townies go up in smoke lynching somebody gets pretty dicey. If we're wrong we have no wrongs left.

pointed out earlier, still though good to defend good idea


+ Show Spoiler +
Tomorrow

answering a question, ok

+ Show Spoiler +
An armed society is a polite society.

ok


Conclusion, as I see it Amber[Light] has contributed more in his post than you in your one liners, still though there is some level of contribution in your posts, for now I think you are town, just playing your usual game
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 18 2011 22:17 GMT
#209
##vote no lynch
so after we said time and time again that you should not detonate unless you are 100% sure people go and blow themselves up... I thought we agreed that that was really bad for the town? At least it looks like neither of you are medics
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 18 2011 22:28 GMT
#214
On February 19 2011 07:19 LunarDestiny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2011 07:17 GMarshal wrote:
##vote no lynch
so after we said time and time again that you should not detonate unless you are 100% sure people go and blow themselves up... I thought we agreed that that was really bad for the town? At least it looks like neither of you are medics

Mafia don't want to force called out and force to suicide.

Prefering Lynch over Suicide is what mafia wants.


I dislike your approach to this, the way I see it we should be playing this just like a regular mafia game with the caveat that if we know for sure someone is scum we can off them immediately, as in regular mafia games our goal is to stay alive as long as possible to gather information and hunt scum, blowing each other up goes against this goal. So congratulations, this gave us very little information and cost us two nights of active scum hunting as well as two kp which we could of saved for people we were more certain were scum.

Mafia isn't scared of being "forced" to suicide, because we have no way of forcing anyone to do anything, a good townie would have let himself die while trying to point out who scum is, once he died an was verified we would have a vote list to look at, now mafia has the upper hand, we need to be very active with our scum hunting, as we cannot afford any more stupid mistakes
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