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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 02 2011 22:36 GMT
#1405
@bumarlarge

The way I'm thinking about it is like this. Jbright and LSB, which one would be an easier call for a vigi? We lynch Jbright and leave LSB for a vigi to hit.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 03 2011 00:02 GMT
#1424
On March 03 2011 09:01 deconduo wrote:
Just a note:

chaoser: annul, icemac, JBright
Cubed: annul, icemac, JBright
kevconsim: annul, icemac, JBright <- new player I think but serious lurker. votes without explaining.


please post more lists that have no meaning because they take out all the context.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 03 2011 02:41 GMT
#1457
DONEEEEE YEAH YEAH YEAH FUCK YOU SECOND SEMESTER MIDTERMS.


so we lynched seraph? cool, let's hope he flips red, fingers crossed. Can you post results now RoL? want to read and go drink cause it's my bday lol
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 03 2011 02:44 GMT
#1460
On March 03 2011 11:43 ohN wrote:
Oh man i was so busy these past few days and i completely forgot i was playing. D:
##Vote: ohN

Sorry, I'll catch up asap.


LOLOLOL. wow...how more scum can you get lol
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 03 2011 02:47 GMT
#1461
Totally off topic but did you guys know scientists figured out weed-derivatives makes you less anxious??? GENIUS, I wonder how they figured that one out...lol (they actually did a lot of testing and it's kinda exciting result but still...)

"CB1 cannabinoid receptors mediate anxiolytic effects: convergent genetic and pharmacological evidence with CB1-specific agents"
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 03 2011 02:55 GMT
#1467
On March 03 2011 11:50 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 11:47 chaoser wrote:
Totally off topic but did you guys know scientists figured out weed-derivatives makes you less anxious??? GENIUS, I wonder how they figured that one out...lol (they actually did a lot of testing and it's kinda exciting result but still...)

"CB1 cannabinoid receptors mediate anxiolytic effects: convergent genetic and pharmacological evidence with CB1-specific agents"

Encouraging people to smoke a doobie in a game that already promotes massive paranoia.

This is scum right here folks.


well of course =p. it's more for anxiety disorder though rather than regular old anxiety
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 03 2011 03:00 GMT
#1471
lolol good job tonight, ok i'mma head out to get drunk off my ass, this totally made me day + end of midterms for me
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 03 2011 04:11 GMT
#1508
On March 03 2011 12:43 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 12:38 Foolishness wrote:
RoL, is there anything that happened that might distort the mafia KP on night 2?

I made a mistake Night 1 with the role PM's which made the mafia not realize that their KP rounds up. This cost them the ability to use a power. To compensate for that Night 2 I gave them an extra .5KP


OHHHHHHH, that makes so much sense. WOWWWWW THANKS FOR MAKING ME WASTE MY TIME ANALYZING THE DAMN THING!!

i am never going to analyze shit ever again. Between this and the BC fiasco...I give up...
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 03 2011 04:11 GMT
#1509
seriously....
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 04 2011 02:51 GMT
#1550
Hey! misrepresentation lol.

This doesn't say much in itself because other members of the town have the same thing going for them (hi chaoser!).


I totally did! Was just wrong on icemac that's all ;_;
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 04 2011 03:06 GMT
#1557
=[ RIP foolishness
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 04 2011 03:06 GMT
#1558
##vote lastargument
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 04 2011 03:21 GMT
#1563
On March 04 2011 12:19 Foolishness wrote:
GG


don't worry, we'll get em for ya <3
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 04 2011 04:02 GMT
#1567
On March 04 2011 13:00 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2011 12:53 bumatlarge wrote:
gg lol high fives foolishness o/

We'll get them for you Bum.


REPEATING WHAT I JUST SAID! SCUMMMMMMMMMMMM lol
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 04 2011 04:15 GMT
#1571
On March 04 2011 13:12 LastArgument wrote:
for all the excitement from this game and looking at the last page and seeing two giant writeup's on me I am amused.

One of you guys / mafia failed pretty hard. I took a hit last night.

I am now going to begin my massive writeup on who I suspect this game, and I should have it up before bed in a few hours.


You'll notice both of them have been by people who voted right both times to get mafia. Vet claim is so typical of scum
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 04 2011 04:41 GMT
#1576
On March 04 2011 13:24 kevconsim wrote:
Too bad im not mafia! so it will take 3 days for us to win


What do you mean by "take us 3 day to win"?
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 04 2011 04:42 GMT
#1577
lol same time post creepy~~~~
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 04 2011 04:53 GMT
#1584
On March 04 2011 13:52 LunarDestiny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2011 13:49 kevconsim wrote:
just a guess

You shitting me? 30 players setup, 4 mafia.


That doesn't even make sense in terms of KP...
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 04 2011 05:00 GMT
#1587
On March 04 2011 13:55 kevconsim wrote:
I am a Townie


Can you comment on who you think are mafia then? Who are the two you think are mafia?
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 04 2011 14:55 GMT
#1604
Interesting....I actually thought that you, ohN, and LD were all scum but this post makes that wrong....

Unless.....you're the GF and they were regular mafia. The pressure is on you so you need to sell out one of your underlings to keep your 1 KP and only losing 0.5 KP instead. Your post is so scum it's not even funny:

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 25 2011 06:34 LunarDestiny wrote:
I read about the last three pages and found not very strong reasons that Annul is scum.

I don't see much scum tell in his vote switch from Chaoser to Gmarshall. Annul did justify his vote on Gmarshall on why his plan is bad.

Another thing people keep mentioning is the aggressiveness how Annul is playing which looks like how he played in XXXV where he was scum. The difference is there he was accusing LSB being scum with flawed reasons. This game, he actually justified his vote and did provide reasons unlike the old "LSB postings are spams and have few contributions."

I played with Annul many times before and it seems that he is always aggressive on day1.
XXXV: Accused LSB mafia because he spams and don't contribute much.
Merc Mafia: Claimed medic to me (day vig) and planned to have 100% town victory.
Survivor Mafia (ongoing): After the quick 3 people alliance, he rallied and formed the counter 5 people alliance to take control of the game.

This game compared to other games I played with Annul, I consider that he is playing less aggressive.


This post is prime example of day 1 defending of a dead mafia. It soft claim defends annul. He compares the behaviour of 3 games of annul, 1 red, 2 town. In each of the three games he played very similarly except in game 1 as mafia he used bad logic to get someone killed.

The link here is between this current game and that game, he was playing much differently from his town norm, revealing him as red. This would easily be seen from the looking from game as town and game as red of annul, but instead he tries to link all 3 games under the same style, when 1 was definitely different. Misrepresenting the facts is something one would do to defend ones teammate.

On February 25 2011 07:58 LunarDestiny wrote:
Show nested quote +
LSB: Storytime! Why Annul was an easy read in XXXV
1) He mad up stuff and pushed stuff that didn't exist
Check, this game he's pushing GMarshal, saying GMarshal is clear mafia, although there is literally nothing in his accusation
2) Besides responses, he posted nothing else
Look at Annul's posts. How many of his posts deal with things other than Gmarshal or defending himself? I can't find any.


Looked over Annul's posts:
1) He posts are generally short and don't have much content to them. I do find Annul saying Gmarshall is mafia based only on his circle thing is not convincing.

2) This is the part I disagree. Annul did what most people will do in this situation. He attacked someone whom he believe is mafia and defended himself when he was in huge danger of being lynched. If he didn't go after someone, ok... since not everyone got a mafia read on day1. And his defense on himself is normal behavior.

To determine if he is really mafia, you have to look at the time when he felt pressured and tried to redirect the lynch to another person (Gmarshall in this case) and if there are any support from others. People did pointed out Gmarshall's circle thing is a horrible idea but no one voted for him after Annul's switch.


Again he slightly defends annul here by trying to use a wifom defense for annul, while then redirecting to another player. He also mentions how people pointed out how bad the idea of the circles was, when the major objectors were gryff, annul. Seraph posted against it briefly (flipped red), lunar did, and ohn did. Almost no one else was opposed. Reservations possibly had in that the groups created could have been fixed if gm is red. However, when we know two of the main group flipped up red, and one of which is the person lunar is defending you see a pattern.


Pretty much a copy and paste of Foolishness' post on him on Day 2 that can be found here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191888&currentpage=54#1073

You add in a little flavor and change the words around to try to present it like it's your own analysis but it's been said and done better by foolishness. Foolishness summed it up nicely as "Your PM to me didn't match up with what you did". You basically took a roundabout way of saying that. That's disrespectful, taking a dead man's words.

Lets move on to day 2.

On February 27 2011 14:44 LunarDestiny wrote:
Back. Catchup time...

So mafia are targeting experienced players like they always do.

People are talking about annul's lynch and there is a bus on annul. First of all, I don't think mafia would sacrifice one of their member to make others more safe. So those who voted annul early or greatly accused him aren't likely to be mafia. Those who jump onto the bandwagon or voted late without giving good reasons should be looked at.


Post doesn’t say much other than recap generally what everyone was talking about, fairly useless.


Oh really now? What about these useless posts? I wonder who wrote them...

On February 23 2011 15:46 LastArgument wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 15:23 gryffindor wrote:
with 30, i doubt there are 8
5-6 is much more likely, with 6 being more likely, unless they start with roles (which I doubt)
due to the mechanics

5 with an SK I would believe would be balanced as well, but i'm seeing 6 and 2.5-3kp, or something like "you may not kill 3 people" as 3 kp is a bit much right now

we will learn soon enough. It is also possible they get to pick to be permanent, or nightly. I'm not quite sure on the mechanic. Lets assume it is permanent, and they pick a GF and a role reverser
they'd still have 1.5kp which would round up to 2 afaik

The best thing to do is to not come out if you're a hatter, for sure
If you're a cop, I wouldn't come out unless you have a guilty, or are pressured
I wouldn't ever claim as medic, unless someone you protected and saved is up for lynch
Veteran is OK to claim, many setups have bulletproofs claiming first
Vigilante is OK to claim TOMORROW if you claim who you are going to kill - Don't claim today, as you can't kill tonight


As you asked what I found troublesome about this post.

as per the town guide found
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188179

You did what would be as general talking. Rather than being specific with the use of the roles you mention you instead mention generalities. It also a post that lacks emphasis on the fundamental skill in which it has been suggested towns need to play by which is behavioural analysis. This and factoring in your earlier claim makes it seem fairly odd no?


So basically you explained what general talking is; which is explained in the guide anyway.

On February 28 2011 04:42 LastArgument wrote:
I have spent some time trying to organize my thoughts and here is some of what I have thought on. First off two players stand out more than others to me.

Icanflylow(now bumatlarge) and LSB. I know LSB has been analyzed by barundar. There is however one post that strikes me as particularly useless made by LSB that should be used as a reason for an obvious lynch.

Show nested quote +
On February 27 2011 04:26 LSB wrote:
There are three goals for night kills
1) Take out good players
2) Take out blues
3) Take out active players.

Generally TL mafia shoots down all active players until the town kills itself with inactivity.

Now, we can devide the people into 4 groups

Btw, I define bus as mafia started lynch.

Priority 1: Automatic night 1 snipes if possible
These players are proven scumhunters
LSB
Foolishness

Priority 2: Active vets
These player have quiet a few games under their belt and are pretty active
Barundar
CubEdIn
darmousseh
GMarshal
Beneather
seRapH
kitaman27
Mr. Wiggles
chaoser
LunarDestiny
deconduo
why

Priority 3: Kill if you think they are blue
These players are generally inactive, or easily to bus
Coagulation
Jackal58
Kenpachi
annul
gryffindor
ohN

Uncatagorized: Newish people, sort them into the three groups as they start playing
icemac
OriginalName
JBright
astroorion
Gofarman
MaxwellE
Conversion
kevconsim
ICanFlyLow
Ser Aspi
LastArgument




Please note, this isn't really indicative of skill. Someone like Jackal58 who is good at finding scum is increadibly easy to bus. On the other hand, people like DocH and Pandain (they aren't playing) are active, but aren't really good at finding scum.

And this is all subjective some names I don't recognize, and I made it off of what I remember. Especially Priority 1



This post ranks players in three catagories.
1 being the “top players”
2 being ones who have experience or shown to have it
3 being people who have less experience than 2
4 being new players.

However, if you start reading the post more carefully, you will realize it’s a post indicating how the mafia “should” hit people to avoid off the radar. Now, a mafia reading this post now knows how to properly divide hits to maximize the team from dying. It doesn’t directly say how we should be saving those people, or how to analyze them. (note: he makes a short post on “how to use this list” right after but essentially says its useless till day 4-5).

This list didn’t provide people who should be dt checked, it didn’t provide a list of who should be medic protected. It instead provided a long post that doesn’t help the town as much as it helps mafia. Why make a post as town that shows activity but barely helps the town at all? This could be a lack of experience on my part, but it surprises me this post was made without further detailing or breaking down of how the town can use the information aside from “bide and wait till people die to pin the reds”


Bumatlarge


Show nested quote +
On February 27 2011 10:29 bumatlarge wrote:
Well I read into the whole annul thing, and it doesn't seem to be an organized bus. Especially with that little squirming performance, but then dropping it quickly in a manner I'd expect from him as scum. I didn't find much to point out on who was leading the accusations, but it does give me a nice ladelful of confidence for the town. Deconduo is not scum I feel, and mostly everyone behind it is likely not. GMarshal is a bit tricky because he seems a little too apologetic, but I've only played with him as town, and he would tend to get apologetic when he isn't inquisitive. Maybe he's just more confident?

Anyway, I think annul is probably the better catches for town to get early. I think town would be better served in pressuring the more reserved since that roster seems fairly slim in this game. I like icemac as a lynch target, and others like him that don't quite cut the bill. They are much easier to tell apart then good townie players that keep their mouths in check but speak when it is right, such as ohn.

LSB is silly.


This is his second post in the game, he clears one player of suspicion, FoS two players, one of which is responsible for the most pro town idea this game. It isn’t much to go on, but based on all the pages the thread has, the only thing he was able to comment on was the annul lynch? And do generalization FoS on players without anything solid?

Seems off to me.


And then you go on to talk extensively about the list, when that is covered by THE VERY SAME GUIDE YOU JUST LINKED under the category:

Talking about issues that allow mafia to easily blend in


Talking about it is easy and pretty much anyone can take a side whether against the list or not due to differing people's opinions on it combined with people's different levels of paranoia. You can't really pin someone just cause they are AGAINST the list or FOR the list.

You then go on to talk about LD's votes and criticize them...let's look at yours

On February 25 2011 04:59 LastArgument wrote:
I will be voting Icanflylow until a more suitable target can be brought up. As of now there is too much on either side of the fence to lynch one of gm/annul/chaoser/ice whereas icanflylow has posted once in the thread jumping on a bandwagon and not providing real input into the game. This vote may change depending on arguments brought forward, however 1 post to poorly justify ones vote on a bandwagon seems far to scum like to ignore at this moment.

If he has been active in pm's someone let me know so that my view of him may be changed, but as of right now he seems the least contributing member of the game.

##vote icanflylow


and

On March 03 2011 08:57 LastArgument wrote:
I'm heading out for a bit and just got home from work and should be back before voting. However, until then.

##vote Jbright


Yeah....I don't think I need to cover what Foolishness has already covered in terms of voting. Foolishness points out pretty concisely that you've read the guide and that you've clearly had the ability to think and post constructively, but you didn't.

At 16 total posts, I'd say you've been trying to hide all game real hard, only really posting big posts when you needed to, like now.
Godfather, you going down.
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