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On February 23 2011 16:11 gryffindor wrote:
initial reads:
people to keep alive:
gryffindor
foolishness
coagulation
kenpachi
ser aspi
leaning town:
lunardestiny
LastArgument (you're thinking, WUT?, but i'll explain if questioned)
MrWiggles
leaning scum:
GMarshal
The guy voting annul
Lastargument because he is really pushing you, and asking for you to explain yourself, right?
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no, i dislike that regardless of alignment
the fact he is pushing ANYONE is better than being inactive and not held accountable
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I have a few problem with that list.
First is your classification of "people to keep alive:". Are you saying that they are likely to be town or people that medic should be protecting?
Second, I understand why you put foolishness and yourself up there, but I don't see why you put coag, ser aspi, and kenpachi is up there as they didn't say much.
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Im as pro town as it gets baby
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@rectification of including LastArgument in my leaning town category:
Him making a far-reaching case on me reads as town. Sure, his case is weak, really weak, but the fact that he would pressure/prod/poke at me with an unjust case/misrepresentation is more easily done from town than scum. Scum know I'm innocent, whereas it really feels as if he doesn't know i'm innocent, or else he wouldn't be making this case on me.
He'd be saying, "oh, yeah, gryf is town"
or he'd be saying "I like Foolishness's post about the guy voting Annul, but I'm not going to vote him. Instead, I'm going to vote GMarshal for rolefishing"
-> Easy bandwagon
That is how scum play, they look for very weak reasons to hop onto town bandwagons/mislynches
@LD: likely to be town
Ser Aspi attempted to make a well formulated case after putting an FoS out on me. I'm not mafia, so if he was mafia, I would expect him to have done that differently. It could be WIFOM off of an associative tell, but I'm not sure if he's good enough to do that. Given that I doubt he wasn't genuine, and I like that he is attempting to create a bandwagon, I'm comfortable with him in my town category. I didn't want to just put "town", as it can be misleading. People will be moving up and down on my list as their play improves/degrades.
Coagulation I do not want rid of because of his activity. He is also, if mafia, someone who would possibly incriminate his teammates on accident. I have placed him into the "i don't want them lynched" or "probably town" category because of his lightheartedness, prompt responses to all questioning, and how he answers them fully if he knows to.
Kenpachi feels like what I've seen of his play as town. Was he not town as the mayor last game of TL Mafia? Perhaps I should have had him in my "leaning" category. Noone is perfect!
On February 23 2011 16:29 Coagulation wrote:
Im as pro town as it gets baby
I wouldn't say that
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Kenpachi has never been mayor..
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or maybe im reading that wrong..
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I think he's thinking of Kavdragon, Fearless Leader of Mafia XXXVI?
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@gryffindor
Ser Aspi attempted to make a well formulated case after putting an FoS out on me. I'm not mafia, so if he was mafia, I would expect him to have done that differently. It could be WIFOM off of an associative tell, but I'm not sure if he's good enough to do that. Given that I doubt he wasn't genuine, and I like that he is attempting to create a bandwagon, I'm comfortable with him in my town category. I didn't want to just put "town", as it can be misleading. People will be moving up and down on my list as their play improves/degrades.
You are saying that Ser Aspi read you as mafia and tried to convince town and not sucessful in doing do. While I agree that mafia won't recklessly risk themselves at leading lynches, I believe that they want to form a quick bandwagon on town.
But you also said Ser Aspi tried to create a bandwagon which is what mafia wants to do. That should be a scum tell instead of a defense why he is town.
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this early in the game.. and with this level of pressure... mafia tend to wait and jump on town formed bandwagons.. i cant see mafia rising up and starting a bandwagon at this point.
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On February 23 2011 16:52 LunarDestiny wrote:@gryffindor Show nested quote +Ser Aspi attempted to make a well formulated case after putting an FoS out on me. I'm not mafia, so if he was mafia, I would expect him to have done that differently. It could be WIFOM off of an associative tell, but I'm not sure if he's good enough to do that. Given that I doubt he wasn't genuine, and I like that he is attempting to create a bandwagon, I'm comfortable with him in my town category. I didn't want to just put "town", as it can be misleading. People will be moving up and down on my list as their play improves/degrades. You are saying that Ser Aspi read you as mafia and tried to convince town and not sucessful in doing do. While I agree that mafia won't recklessly risk themselves at leading lynches, I believe that they want to form a quick bandwagon on town. But you also said Ser Aspi tried to create a bandwagon which is what mafia wants to do. That should be a scum tell instead of a defense why he is town.
No, he made a well formulated case (on someone else, the person he is voting...),"after putting an F.o.S. on me" should then read as "after making a post addressing inconsistencies he had with me"
This isn't what happened, either, so not only are you not brushed up on the topic in the voting thread, apparently you don't read the one with words in it either. You have moved down my list, to somewhere in between neutral and leaning.
Shape it up or ship it out.
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On February 23 2011 16:58 Coagulation wrote:
this early in the game.. and with this level of pressure... mafia tend to wait and jump on town formed bandwagons.. i cant see mafia rising up and starting a bandwagon at this point.
why are you taking a point i made and regurgitating it off as one of your own?
you've just moved down my list to neutral
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On February 23 2011 16:58 Coagulation wrote:
this early in the game.. and with this level of pressure... mafia tend to wait and jump on town formed bandwagons.. i cant see mafia rising up and starting a bandwagon at this point.
Yeah, there's a lot of accusations flying around already that mafia can choose whichever to bandwagon. What I'd watch out for, is people who start to heavily push someone else's suspicion of a player, or who start to tunnel really hard.From my experience, this early in the game, that can indicate scum.
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initial reads, volume 2:
+ Show Spoiler +people to keep alive:
gryffindor
foolishness
kenpachi
ser aspi
leaning town:
LastArgument (you're thinking, WUT?, but i'll explain if questioned)
MrWiggles
neutral:
coagulation
leaning scum:
lunardestiny
GMarshal
Lynch, Lynch, Lynch:
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 23 2011 17:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 16:58 Coagulation wrote:
this early in the game.. and with this level of pressure... mafia tend to wait and jump on town formed bandwagons.. i cant see mafia rising up and starting a bandwagon at this point. Yeah, there's a lot of accusations flying around already that mafia can choose whichever to bandwagon. What I'd watch out for, is people who start to heavily push someone else's suspicion of a player, or who start to tunnel really hard.From my experience, this early in the game, that can indicate scum.
QFT
It is relative to who, though.
Certain players doing that would be null
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Morning, just checking in. Will read through thread when I got time, probably not before tomorrow.
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On February 23 2011 17:07 gryffindor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 16:58 Coagulation wrote:
this early in the game.. and with this level of pressure... mafia tend to wait and jump on town formed bandwagons.. i cant see mafia rising up and starting a bandwagon at this point. why are you taking a point i made and regurgitating it off as one of your own? you've just moved down my list to neutral
I was clarifying your point for lunardestiney not regurgitating it off as my own.
you just moved up one spot on my twat list
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On February 23 2011 13:19 GMarshal wrote:
for arguments sake going to create analysis cells, use them for informational analysis
(even assuming I were scum there is no way) I could ensure each has a mafia member in it as there isn't enough mafia to go around (I am trying to put at least 1 TL vet in each) as the game progresses and people die we can have new cells form. (also you are free to create your own parallel cells)
1. Coagulation, LSB, gryffindor
2 GMarshal, seRapH, OriginalName
3 Mr. Wiggles, ICanFlyLow, kevconsim
4 Barundar, LastArgument , why
5 darmousseh, Ser Aspi, Kenpachi
6 Gofarman, chaoser, ohN
7 astroorion, CubEdIn, Jackal58
8 Beneather, annul, Conversion
9 icemac, Foolishness, LunarDestiny
10 deconduo, kitaman27, JBright
This is just a suggestion, but I think it is a good one, discuss
Can you explain why this is a bad idea gryff? Your previous posts on why it's bad (weird, can lead to role reversal) don't really cut it. Roles aren't being revealed and people don't have to follow the list. Isn't it just making this 30 man game into many team mini games? Also, would being in a group with a mafia help a townie or not? More interactions in a more private setting might mean more likely for mafia to fuck up
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@Mod: You say the blue font is off limits, but what if I am making a list of power roles and need to use it momentarily, is it acceptable on a word-to-word basis and not like I am doing now with the color green?
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@mod: If a Veteran is visited by a Framer/Lawyer, and Role Reversal is substituted for KP, would said visit still enact the kill clause? I know it would if it was a town power role, but would scum visiting do this?
Thanks
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