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24 hours still remain, right?
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On March 08 2011 12:10 GMarshal wrote:
24 hours still remain, right?
Yes sir.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 07 2011 15:44 gryffindor wrote:
Is it possible both you and Jackal are lying? Sure. However, I don't believe that you are capable of sniping blues in the way that they were sniped. I would be, so yeah, that is a point against me, but I would have actually been better than this. Arrogance. On March 07 2011 23:24 gryffindor wrote:
I don't even see how I need to respond to your "case", Jackal. I also believe that your voting me for that reason is both a joke and asinine.
If you actually feel like you have a case on me, go ahead and address it.. I did. On March 07 2011 23:27 gryffindor wrote:
we only have 2 mislynches, even if we are 3/4, due to all these fucking modkills
so, yeah, it would be best if you would, you know, actually vote scum jackal I am. On March 08 2011 00:25 gryffindor wrote:
Too bad I'm not going to be lynched
You are quite bad at this game, if you are town. Yes you are. And no I'm not.
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On March 07 2011 16:53 kevconsim wrote:
I helped vote out the mafia in the last vote. Why
Why are you still convinced im scum.
Because you voted for JBright in a close vote and I really think at least 2 scum were on that wagon. Plus you haven't done anything to make me think you are town... unlike many other people this game. You are a good lynch simply so we won't have to try and figure your alignment out later. The fact that you voted for annul and chaoser is something that any reasonably smart scum would do; they were both going to go and you might as well try to get some benefit from it.
Ohn I actually feel is more likely scum after he responded to everyone's points pretty angrily, continued to think LSB was scummy, and then failed to respond to any further questioning. Seems like he is intentionally dodging at this point, as he obviously cared enough about the game to respond angrily to people's accusations.
Gryffindor I don't feel is mafia because when he erroneously thought he was getting lynched, he was rubbing his townieness in our faces... despite his incessant lies and random defensiveness, I have a town read on him.
I would be willing to lynch either Ohn or kevconsim today to avoid thinking about them later, but since more people seem to be willing to go after Ohn, I'll switch my vote over.
Or Barundar, that dude came off scummy as hell yesterday.
##Unvote
##Vote: Ohn
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oh shit i thought i was dead lol
i feel like an idiot
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On March 08 2011 12:08 Coagulation wrote:
and i still dont understand why you sat out the whole LSB vrs Chaoser thing
I wasn't here...
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Read from bottom one up, started with nested quotes.
3/2/11 02:24
+ Show Spoiler +Original Message From gryffindor: you know what's both interesting and cool? JBright and Seraph were both on icemac, but not annul, and they are two of the leading wagons. JBright's vote on me is so pitiful, but I don't feel like OMGUSing again  Show nested quote +Original Message From deconduo: Signs you need a break: + Show Spoiler +Original Message From gryffindor: Already on top of it! To: Coagulation [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: mafi Date: 3/1/11 21:23 why are you voting JBright with a nearly RVS-style post on d3? Can you not make a case? Like, are you completely incapable of giving proper reasoning? Original Message From deconduo: On a different note, Coag has 110 posts in the game, all but ~3 of them are one liners. I know he has a spammy reputation but I'm pretty sure he contributed a lot more in Orgah. Original Message From gryffindor:
I am impressed.
That was a very good analysis.
I don't believe he believes LD is dead. There is no way. LD has been posting today.
Why is Foolishness alive still? There are only 2 explanations
1) Mafia feel like Foolishness will be medic protected
2) Foolishness is mafia
Otherwise, they would definitely be killing him. He is much more outspoken than this as a townie, and the fact that he is such a "veteran" is indicative he will actually have a role.
I also expect you have a role, though I'm not asking you to divulge me.
3/2/11 00:11
+ Show Spoiler +Original Message From gryffindor: I thought southern ireland was What do you expect made him shift focus away from LD? Do you feel he was attempting to bus LD.. well, not bus, but create distancing? Show nested quote +Original Message From deconduo: Well its safer to assume the worst until a vig claims. It could also be 2 GF, 3 grunts which would add up right too. That would explain the ambiguity on the godfather numbers. Foolishness had changed his focus to Seraph yesterday over LD. He didn't really explain why but he did ask for a vig shot on seraph and said he would be pushing for a seraph lynch today. Also Ireland is not part of the UK -_- Original Message From gryffindor: I said United Kingdom, didn't I? Also, I expected there to be 5 mafia left. Why do you believe there are 6? 2 days from now, unless we get mafia, will definitely be LYLO. I said that in the thread already, but that was assuming FIVE, not six. If there are 6 left, with all the kp/mechanics, I am sort of disappointed in the balance. You definitely have played with me a few times, and you are underrating yourself, because you should be much more confident in your ability. Sometimes, simply not being lynched as town is better than being a great scumhunter. Look at me, I'm very good at catching scum, but I have a hard time convincing people that I am correct. I also get lynched a lot, regardless of my alignment, because my playstyle is very inefficient compared to the logical and non-gut style that is used by people who are considered "good" in terms of convincing people of things. I could use weighted language in the style of L to convince people, but I am not going to change myself. I have done it in the past, and I really didn't enjoy it, as me pushing lynches in a mini mafia here lead to a few greens dying. Therefore, even if I consider GMarshal scum, for instance, I'm not going to be pushing him. Why? Because it's pointless whether or not he is scum if I can't convince a bandwagon to form around him. Speaking of bandwagons, I wouldn't be surprised if LD/JBright/Seraph were all town. Speaking of their alignments, why do you believe Foolishness is now voting for Seraph, when he made a big case on LD yesterday, with only a minor FoS on Seraph? Original Message From deconduo: Really? I always feel out of the loop and a bit lost as town. In fact I've been trying to play a bit more confident and more aggressive than normal. Strange that it seems to have had the opposite effect. What games did I seem less out of it in? I wouldn't be surprised if I was mafia in all of them. I'm flattered that you think I'm a good scumhunter but I'm really not I would consider myself a good townie but a bad scumhunter if that makes sense. I've never been lynched as town. I'm usually good at drawing hits and I get killed pretty early on by mafia. But I've also never 'caught' a mafia as it were. If I have a list of 6-7 FoSes usually at most one is mafia. (I know this because whenever I die I play a little game with myself when I ask host for the role list. Most I've gotten right is 2  ) Even with annul I probably would have unvoted him near the end if I wasn't asleep at the time. I was kinda surprised that he was mafia tbh. As regards the Foolishness thing, what's holding me back somewhat is that I kinda agree with him about Lunar. While I wouldn't have FoSd him initially his response to Foolishness has been less than stellar. I've been considering keeping this quiet for now and simply helping push the lynch on LD. If he flips red then I really doubt Foolishness, as mafia, tried to divert the bandwagon from LSB to LD. If LD flips town then I will definitely pushing them. However, I have a problem here too. If there was no vig shot last night then we could be at mylo: 3.5 KP : 1 GF, 5 grunts 13 - 6 now 13 - 5 lynch 1, 3 KP left 10 - 5 3 KP used 10 - 4 lynch 1, 2.5 KP left 7 - 4 2.5 KP used 7 - 3 lynch 1, 2 KP left 5 - 3 2 KP used 5 - 2 lynch 1, 1.5 KP left 3 - 2 1.5 KP used 3 - 1 lynch 1, 1 KP left 2 - 1 1 KP used -> lylo. There are a couple of assumptions in there that could be wrong, and it doesn't take into account vigs, bombers, medic saves, vet hits etc. Even still if we don't hit mafia today it could be really bad. Sorry for the big wall of stuff. I just needed someone to unload my thoughts onto and you were the most convenient I still haven't forgiven you for calling me English though. Original Message From gryffindor: Now that FIRST one is interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if he was the godfather. Can we afford to lose a player like you, me, LSB or Foolishness if they are town, though? I mean, we could afford to, but it's not advisable. We need the active players who are good scumhunters around. BTW, I don't mean for you to take this the wrong way, but you seem really out of it in comparison to games I've played with you in the past. I definitely would have an excuse for that, if the same was said for me, but I actually feel my play has been rather calm, composed, and collected in comparison to my normal play... regardless of what is going on in my life. So, basically, what I want you to answer is this: Why do you feel so out of the loop? Original Message From deconduo: And this was the first one: Original Message From Foolishness:
Can you give me an explanation of what happened between you and gryffindor in PM land? I know I'm probably making you angry for having to explain again, but if he messed up really bad I can help gather support for you in the thread. Or anyone else you might want to lynch.
3/1/11 19:44
+ Show Spoiler +Original Message From gryffindor: I would find that suspicious as fuck, especially if it was from an experienced player, like Foolishness. Show nested quote +Original Message From deconduo:
I know this might sound strange but hear me out.
Suppose someone sent you a PM saying that they could 'help you get xxxx, or anyone else you want lynched'
In addition, a short time later they tell you to lay off on LSB, saying if he's scum he will slip up later. 'Just ignore him'
Finally, if you knew they told Barundar to do the same thing (ignore LSB).
Would that be really really suspicious? Or am I reading too much into it.
I really don't think he's mafia
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why were you voting me, then?
i'm going back to bed... I had my alarm set around 4am 
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I'm still not getting why you asked for protection from medic, no matter if you're medic or vet.
And lying like this is very anti-town play, no matter what side you're actually on.
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On March 08 2011 19:33 deconduo wrote:Read from bottom one up, started with nested quotes. 3/2/11 02:24 + Show Spoiler +Original Message From gryffindor: you know what's both interesting and cool? JBright and Seraph were both on icemac, but not annul, and they are two of the leading wagons. JBright's vote on me is so pitiful, but I don't feel like OMGUSing again Show nested quote +Original Message From deconduo: Signs you need a break: + Show Spoiler +Original Message From gryffindor: Already on top of it! To: Coagulation [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: mafi Date: 3/1/11 21:23 why are you voting JBright with a nearly RVS-style post on d3? Can you not make a case? Like, are you completely incapable of giving proper reasoning? Original Message From deconduo: On a different note, Coag has 110 posts in the game, all but ~3 of them are one liners. I know he has a spammy reputation but I'm pretty sure he contributed a lot more in Orgah. Original Message From gryffindor:
I am impressed.
That was a very good analysis.
I don't believe he believes LD is dead. There is no way. LD has been posting today.
Why is Foolishness alive still? There are only 2 explanations
1) Mafia feel like Foolishness will be medic protected
2) Foolishness is mafia
Otherwise, they would definitely be killing him. He is much more outspoken than this as a townie, and the fact that he is such a "veteran" is indicative he will actually have a role.
I also expect you have a role, though I'm not asking you to divulge me. 3/2/11 00:11 + Show Spoiler +Original Message From gryffindor: I thought southern ireland was What do you expect made him shift focus away from LD? Do you feel he was attempting to bus LD.. well, not bus, but create distancing? Show nested quote +Original Message From deconduo: Well its safer to assume the worst until a vig claims. It could also be 2 GF, 3 grunts which would add up right too. That would explain the ambiguity on the godfather numbers. Foolishness had changed his focus to Seraph yesterday over LD. He didn't really explain why but he did ask for a vig shot on seraph and said he would be pushing for a seraph lynch today. Also Ireland is not part of the UK -_- Original Message From gryffindor: I said United Kingdom, didn't I? Also, I expected there to be 5 mafia left. Why do you believe there are 6? 2 days from now, unless we get mafia, will definitely be LYLO. I said that in the thread already, but that was assuming FIVE, not six. If there are 6 left, with all the kp/mechanics, I am sort of disappointed in the balance. You definitely have played with me a few times, and you are underrating yourself, because you should be much more confident in your ability. Sometimes, simply not being lynched as town is better than being a great scumhunter. Look at me, I'm very good at catching scum, but I have a hard time convincing people that I am correct. I also get lynched a lot, regardless of my alignment, because my playstyle is very inefficient compared to the logical and non-gut style that is used by people who are considered "good" in terms of convincing people of things. I could use weighted language in the style of L to convince people, but I am not going to change myself. I have done it in the past, and I really didn't enjoy it, as me pushing lynches in a mini mafia here lead to a few greens dying. Therefore, even if I consider GMarshal scum, for instance, I'm not going to be pushing him. Why? Because it's pointless whether or not he is scum if I can't convince a bandwagon to form around him. Speaking of bandwagons, I wouldn't be surprised if LD/JBright/Seraph were all town. Speaking of their alignments, why do you believe Foolishness is now voting for Seraph, when he made a big case on LD yesterday, with only a minor FoS on Seraph? Original Message From deconduo: Really? I always feel out of the loop and a bit lost as town. In fact I've been trying to play a bit more confident and more aggressive than normal. Strange that it seems to have had the opposite effect. What games did I seem less out of it in? I wouldn't be surprised if I was mafia in all of them. I'm flattered that you think I'm a good scumhunter but I'm really not I would consider myself a good townie but a bad scumhunter if that makes sense. I've never been lynched as town. I'm usually good at drawing hits and I get killed pretty early on by mafia. But I've also never 'caught' a mafia as it were. If I have a list of 6-7 FoSes usually at most one is mafia. (I know this because whenever I die I play a little game with myself when I ask host for the role list. Most I've gotten right is 2 ) Even with annul I probably would have unvoted him near the end if I wasn't asleep at the time. I was kinda surprised that he was mafia tbh. As regards the Foolishness thing, what's holding me back somewhat is that I kinda agree with him about Lunar. While I wouldn't have FoSd him initially his response to Foolishness has been less than stellar. I've been considering keeping this quiet for now and simply helping push the lynch on LD. If he flips red then I really doubt Foolishness, as mafia, tried to divert the bandwagon from LSB to LD. If LD flips town then I will definitely pushing them. However, I have a problem here too. If there was no vig shot last night then we could be at mylo: 3.5 KP : 1 GF, 5 grunts 13 - 6 now 13 - 5 lynch 1, 3 KP left 10 - 5 3 KP used 10 - 4 lynch 1, 2.5 KP left 7 - 4 2.5 KP used 7 - 3 lynch 1, 2 KP left 5 - 3 2 KP used 5 - 2 lynch 1, 1.5 KP left 3 - 2 1.5 KP used 3 - 1 lynch 1, 1 KP left 2 - 1 1 KP used -> lylo. There are a couple of assumptions in there that could be wrong, and it doesn't take into account vigs, bombers, medic saves, vet hits etc. Even still if we don't hit mafia today it could be really bad. Sorry for the big wall of stuff. I just needed someone to unload my thoughts onto and you were the most convenient I still haven't forgiven you for calling me English though. Original Message From gryffindor: Now that FIRST one is interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if he was the godfather. Can we afford to lose a player like you, me, LSB or Foolishness if they are town, though? I mean, we could afford to, but it's not advisable. We need the active players who are good scumhunters around. BTW, I don't mean for you to take this the wrong way, but you seem really out of it in comparison to games I've played with you in the past. I definitely would have an excuse for that, if the same was said for me, but I actually feel my play has been rather calm, composed, and collected in comparison to my normal play... regardless of what is going on in my life. So, basically, what I want you to answer is this: Why do you feel so out of the loop? Original Message From deconduo: And this was the first one: Original Message From Foolishness:
Can you give me an explanation of what happened between you and gryffindor in PM land? I know I'm probably making you angry for having to explain again, but if he messed up really bad I can help gather support for you in the thread. Or anyone else you might want to lynch. 3/1/11 19:44 + Show Spoiler +Original Message From gryffindor: I would find that suspicious as fuck, especially if it was from an experienced player, like Foolishness. Show nested quote +Original Message From deconduo:
I know this might sound strange but hear me out.
Suppose someone sent you a PM saying that they could 'help you get xxxx, or anyone else you want lynched'
In addition, a short time later they tell you to lay off on LSB, saying if he's scum he will slip up later. 'Just ignore him'
Finally, if you knew they told Barundar to do the same thing (ignore LSB).
Would that be really really suspicious? Or am I reading too much into it. I really don't think he's mafia
Chaoser's PM's and convos with GMarshall looked pretty town too.
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the fact of the matter is i thought i was dead, tried to post some pro-town things, and even admitted I was green so you wouldn't have to wait on a mod scene.
the fact I still have 7 votes on me is ATROCIOUS town play
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On March 08 2011 12:05 Coagulation wrote:
you shoulda defended yourself sooner.
I defended myself BEFORE there was a single vote on me in this day cycle, actually. You should check back on this, because it is a misrepresentation.
On March 08 2011 12:08 Coagulation wrote:
and i still dont understand why you sat out the whole LSB vrs Chaoser thing
I wasn't here, and even if I had been, I probably would have been integral in LSB being lynched. I was completely convinced he is scum, although I probably shouldn't have been, considering he has been the kickstart to two scum wagons... even if the one on day 1 wouldn't have worked without me.
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On March 09 2011 02:38 gryffindor wrote:
the fact of the matter is i thought i was dead, tried to post some pro-town things, and even admitted I was green so you wouldn't have to wait on a mod scene.
the fact I still have 7 votes on me is ATROCIOUS town play
All scum admit they're green.
All scum claim atrocious town play.
You are dead.
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On March 09 2011 03:16 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 02:38 gryffindor wrote:
the fact of the matter is i thought i was dead, tried to post some pro-town things, and even admitted I was green so you wouldn't have to wait on a mod scene.
the fact I still have 7 votes on me is ATROCIOUS town play All scum admit they're green. All scum claim atrocious town play. You are dead.
I really thought I was dead. No, actually, if I die I am going to write off a lot of players and put them into my policy lynch category for terrible town play.
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Truth.
I'm going to vote ohN, as I'm fairly sure he is lurking mafia. I am less sure of GMarshal than I am of him. Considering what I have to work with in this town, you all might want to just follow me for the rest of the game. The only person who is capable of forming their own opinion seems to be LSB, and we all know that isn't saying much with him.
Vote: ohN
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Oh, I didn't read your spoiler, Jackal.
I did not see a true case you have made on me... If you would quote it, or address it, I would love to dissect it because it has to be illogical
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That's nice and all, but I'm gonna post this a third time:
Why ask for medic protection?
Really.
So far you've claimed: medic/vet/green. None of these roles are actually worthy of medic protection. What the hell? Detective, Vig, maybe even mat hatter early on would be ok. But you ask to be protected as medic/vet/townie? Really?
And you're accusing others of atrocious town play.
Well if you actually flip townie or vig or even medic then you are the one with the horrible town play. That's the way I see it.
Town resources should be used to their best ability. Asking for protection without a very good power role, or a damn good reason (like knowing for sure you'll be hit) is dumb.
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And if you're red, then I'm pretty sure ohN is red as well, because you're trying pretty hard to act like you want him dead. Either him or LunarD.
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On March 09 2011 03:29 gryffindor wrote:
Oh, I didn't read your spoiler, Jackal.
I did not see a true case you have made on me... If you would quote it, or address it, I would love to dissect it because it has to be illogical
You don't read anything.
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I read the entire thread, I have yet to see you make a case on anyone, really. You just sheep and bandwagon. You have been voting me for little reason nearly every day, starting day 1, so of course I am skeptical that you have a case.
Present it, or shut up about it.
On March 09 2011 03:33 CubEdIn wrote:
And if you're red, then I'm pretty sure ohN is red as well, because you're trying pretty hard to act like you want him dead. Either him or LunarD.
I would be happy lynching either of them, or GMarshal. Barundar or you are in my secondary reads, on leaning scum.
My town reads are Deconduo, Jackal (sadly), LSB (sadly), myself, Coagulation... probably you and Barundar
I believe scum are LD, ohN, and GMarshal... but I could be wrong.
I would be happy voting anyone but Deconduo/LSB/Coagulation/Jackal at this point
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