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On January 21 2011 09:06 LSB wrote: If you're town. Do your own thinking. To find mafia think like a mafia. Ask yourself how would mafia act? (Directing lynches onto town, not committing to point, forcing analysis on townies). Don't ask yourself how mafia would sound like. Just because someone is annoying you doesn't mean they are mafia. And don't do anything stupid. And read this! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=180405 If you're mafia. Well, I suck at being mafia (0-3 baby! woot woot!), so I'd probably your team for advice if you do end up being mafia. But basically, blend in. And don't do anything stupid Awesome, read it. Looking forward to it. | ||
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On January 21 2011 09:41 LunarDestiny wrote: You forgot to ask on advice of being Serial Killer (hurr durr PickYourPower). Haha serial killer sounds fun. There is a star wars risk game and you have the option of being neutral and you win by conquering a certain set of territories, definitely fun. Serial killer can create a ton of chaos it seems. | ||
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On January 24 2011 04:42 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ok, so I have not decided who to vote for, as there seem to not be any candidates besides the Kavdragon Party, and the Not Kavdragon Party. I would like to hear more from potential candidates on: 1. How they will choose bodyguards. 2. How they will use the power of census 3. How they will use and release the information census gives them. Here are my thoughts on the matter: 1. Trying to pick scum. There is, in all reality, not very high chances of getting more than one scum, if any at all. By the time mayor will have to pick bodyguards, he will not be sure enough to reliably be able to pick scum, as there will be limited information available, and I foresee some part of the mafia team lying low for the first day/night. Also, while it would be advantageous if the mayor picked gf/roleblocker as one of his bodyguards, I almost feel it would not be to the towns advantage if he picked only one vanilla mafia. This means that mafia could kill the first bodyguard, then trade one of their team members for the powerful mayor role, as well as whatever other role the mayor may have. I'm not sure what the optimal solution here is, as picking scum allows us to get scum kills easily, but also gives mafia a lot of control over the mayor's life. RNG-ing bodyguards wouldn't be optimal either, as there would be a higher chance of hitting blues. I almost feel that mayoral candidates should threaten to recruit lurkers (not inactives going to be modkilled), as that would force them to begin posting a bit more. This could cause scum to slip up, and the mayor could go from there on who to choose, scum, lurker, vanilla townie. 2. The census is a powerful... power. I think the mayor should listen to suggestions by town on how to use the power, but the decision should not be based solely off what town says. Unless town comes to an independent majority, the final decision should rest on the mayor. What I mean by this, is that it may be very easy, with however many mafia in the game, to start some sort of bandwagon on what to census. This could give mafia a lot of control over the census, if we simply went off town votes for census use. The difference would be if confirmed townies later on started the push for certain census takes, or if a majority of town came up with the idea in parallel, not with one person leading the charge. Otherwise, I think it should be up to the mayor to do what he thinks is best for town. 3. This is a tricky part. When taking the census of mafia roles, the mayor should definitely release said information to the town, as mafia already knows their own role counts. However, I think information on blue roles should be kept confidential until some sort of town circle is established, and then only carefully released to them. If the mayor wants to release information about blues to the town, it should be something like "Yes, there are detectives", so that town can at least be assured, unlike TL Mafia XXXV, where the assumption of medics, mad hatters, and detectives made town rely on things that didn't exist. However, I'm not sure if Mayor should release if there are none of a certain role in the game, as this helps mafia as much as town. Also, once some sort of communication has been established between the mayor and others, the mayor could try to trick mafia by releasing fake census numbers, to fool roleblockers. I'm not sure how effective this is, as I've never seen a mayor played yet. In the case of a mafia mayor: 1. The mafia mayor would ideally want to pick town roles, if mafia plans on killing them. This is incredibly easy for the mayor to do, as he only need pick people not on his own team. However, the mayor could also pick teammates as bodyguards, particularly the godfather, to avoid DT checks. Then the mafia could just let the mayor be, if that were not too suspicious, for a while, to keep the power of census. 2. The mafia mayor isn't very useful for town when it comes to the census. He will have to give out some information on mafia numbers for the first few nights, though these can easily be faked. This means that the mayor can check the numbers of roles like DTs and Medics, and then release fake mafia numbers to the public. 3. The mafia mayor will release fake numbers into the thread. He can say whatever number of mafia he wants, so long as it is within the realm of possibility, as we do not know the Mafia KP formula. This also means that he can fake mafia death. Tell us there are, say 7 mafia one night, then after a lynch say there are 6. Frame a dead townie, easy, right? It also doesn't matter very much to the mafia mayor to release blue or even green numbers to the public. Mafia will already know this information, so its release can be used to appease town. A mafia mayor looks to be very bad for town, and so I believe the mayor should be kept under constant scrutiny, and should be very active in voicing his opinions on different matters, so that the public can continue to analyze him to verify his integrity. Those are my views mayoral candidates, now what are yours? Explain them to me in full, with good logic, and I may consider giving you my vote. And if you liked my views, vote for Mr. Wiggles, he's a bear. Signed, Mr. Wiggles. It's kinda scary that a ton of the information we will be gathering is directly a result of whether or not the mayor is lying or not. | ||
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On January 24 2011 05:26 LunarDestiny wrote: How can mayor not let other people know who accept or decline? No PM in this game. in the thread | ||
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On January 25 2011 01:39 darmousseh wrote: Who should be volunteering as bodyguards? Those with blue abilities or just normal townies? I would expect voting just normal townies would be best which I why I would be willing to volunteer myself. Also, being a townie is kinda boring. | ||
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On January 25 2011 01:58 BrownBear wrote: I'm comfortable with RoL for the time being... at least, more comfortable than I am with anyone else except Dr H, and he's thrown support behind RoL. It's no offense to Kav or kitaman, I just don't know their playstyles as well. Nobody should be volunteering yet, I don't think volunteering is a good strategy. If we volunteer greens, it lowers the number of people in the pool of potential blues, so mafia can easily bluesnipe. If we volunteer blues, it's basically saying "HEY MAFIA FREE BLUES GO GO GO" Blues' greatest asset is their anonymity and the ability to hide amongst the greens, and we want to preserve that as long as possible. I see, that makes sense. | ||
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On January 25 2011 02:52 BrownBear wrote: I highly recommend everyone set up a spreadsheet now, with the following: Each player in the game What role they've soft/hardclaimed (includes mayor/bodyguard) Profile picture Public Profile Quote/Signature Random notes about them Links to important posts theyve made. (i.e. contradictions, good analysis, etc.) If you start cataloguing this now, it gets a lot easier, and it really helps you analyze people later in the game. Also, it's a good habit to get into, for any mafia game, if you want to improve. You WILL catch shit you might have missed otherwise. Thanks That should help a ton. | ||
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On January 25 2011 03:27 LSB wrote: We are looking for replacements. Please PM LSB if you are interested in playing Ouch How many replacements do we need? | ||
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What if LSB was scrum? Wouldn't that make him a vigilante or a serial killer? | ||
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On January 24 2011 12:49 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: ##Vote: Kavdragon | ||
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On January 25 2011 07:39 LunarDestiny wrote: The reason is mod don't write super random stuff like "my god" in Italian for no reason. It is most likely to be a clue pointing at a killer. But mafia are typically italian no? | ||
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"Dulce et decorum est pro Aiur mori" -Zealot Also protoss blood is purple or blue, which would look black if spilled and from the day1 it sounds like the murderer likes knives and his quote is that from a zealot and there is black blood everywhere. Although zealot's don't exactly use knives, but it's close enough. | ||
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On January 25 2011 08:26 Nemesis wrote: We stilil have plenty of time to change votes. Woot, looks like RoL is now seriously running RoL for mayor everyone! And I seriously don't want to have kavdragon for mayor. He is pushing for a scummy plan right from the beginning with the bodyguard volunteering. It has already been covered by multiple people why that is a bad idea. Even if only 4 people volunteered, that still narrows down the list of blues. And there is still the same chance of picking mafia as before(mafia can just volunteer). There is no advantage to town whatsover to volunteering bodyguard. Well theres a few scenarios 1. Mayor is townie or blue. Volunteers are both townies, mafia hits bodyguards and then hits mayor. Pro: Get 3 days of information Cons: lost 3 townies, no information on mafia 2. Mayor is townie or blue. Volunteers are both scum. Mafia hits bodyguards, we get 2 mafia right away. Mafia doesn't hit bodyguards, in like 4-5 days we role check the bodyguards. Any case, mafia lose both bodyguards. 3. Mayor is scum. Volunteers are both townies. Mafia kills bodyguards. Mafia doesn't do anything, mayor eventually lynched. If mafia doesn't kill bodyguards, then highly likely mayor is scum. 4. Mayor is scum, volunteers are scum. (Do scum bodyguards protect scum mayor?). Scum gets tons of information. Scenario 4 is obviously the best scenario for scum, but the fact that kavdragon is suggesting volunteers means that he will either 1. Choose the volunteers himself (which is an indication of scum) or 2. let the town choose the volunteers based on voting in the thread. In either case, if kavdragon was scum, then he would want to hand pick his bodyguards (and hide the fact that he was hand picking). | ||
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On January 25 2011 09:11 d3_crescentia wrote: I'd vote for RoL if he didn't seem so lazy. Some good insight on the mayor role. I don't have a strong opinion of Kavdragon just yet, as his playstyle generally looks town. For the most part we need to ignore clues and focus on the people themselves. @darmousseh all those situations lead into a bunch of WIFOM. I'll be watching you for better posts. Sorry, my first game, what is WIFOM? | ||
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On January 25 2011 10:55 SiNiquity wrote: Also, in addition to what's already been posted regarding OriginalName: The black cat ~ Catwoman / Halle Berry connection was already drawn, but in addition there's the bats. Bats. Batman. haha wow, good catch on that part. Very obvious now i think. | ||
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On January 25 2011 12:03 Kavdragon wrote: Has anyone considered the fact that the hosts are being really ambiguous about the day 1 clue(s)? On all other days it says that there will be clues leading to the killer of the person, but what if the first day was different...Why are they being non-committal towards the first day? Maybe they will give more information on the next day. From what it sounds like though, and the black text everywhere, my thoughts are he is a SK. | ||
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On January 25 2011 16:45 BrownBear wrote: RoL has the better plan for the mayorship IMO. However, Kav has been more far more active than RoL. Makes this tough. I wish we had more than 2 serious candidates. I think part of it too is that so much rides on the mayoral candidate. They are the key to getting important information and a centerpiece to persuading townies to look at certain facts and viewpoints. | ||
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On January 25 2011 23:35 Kavdragon wrote: Perhaps this is a stupid question to ask, but why does the mayor need to be the one with the plan? He's already been given the power of census, and the protection of the bodyguards, why give him the reigns as well? The biggest reason I can think of is that the mayor is given protection, so you want an active and helpful townie. But that doesn't mean that they have to become some god who's word is law or anything. The power of who is lynched, what the town plans are, and all of that should be in the town's hands. If the mayor doesn't have good enough , or isn't vocal enough, then why listen to him? Like RoL said, don't put all your hope in one person. Don't let one person decide what's going to happen. This discourages activity, and makes it easy for the mistakes of one person to decide the game. Everyone should be vocal in what they think should be done. No one should rely on another person to make their decisions for them. Well, the mayor gets the most information out of all the town aligned players and therefore any plan relies on having that census information which only the mayor has access to. Also he is the only known player with a specific role. Of course by default, the mayor needs to be align checked right away to make sure we aren't getting mis-information. If the mayor is a townie though, then he is arguably the most powerful townie. | ||
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Option 4: Vetclaim: Two Veterans claim, they are chosen as bodyguards. Upside: Vets are tough to kill, make excellent bodyguards. Essentially make mayor invulnerable for at least 3-4 cycles. Downside: Reds can STILL claim to mess it up (and they will.) Vets more useful hidden amongst the town, to soak hits. No guarantee this setup has two vets. Verdict: If it wasn't for the fact that reds can claim, I'd be in support of this idea. I personally think vets would be more useful ensuring we have census for basically the entire game than sitting in the silent majority, hoping they can soak up a hit. However, there's no way a smart mafia team wouldn't have a goon claim vet, with no way to prove/disprove it, and that's a 66% chance we run into the 1 town-1 scum setup. So no. I think this one is the best. upside. Vets are tough to kill, and can be protected if necessary, mayor can live a long time. Anyone that claims to be a vet and ends up not being a vet as a bodyguard would be instantly identified as scum. Scum will probably have 1 person claim vet, in which case we can use role checks to check out the identities. Also, in the end, if vets aren't used to soak up kills, then they are wasted. By volunteering for bodyguards we can almost ensure that their abilities are used for the benefit of town. Also if we get lucky and get 2 vets then the mayor can be alive for almost the entire game if played correctly. The other thing too is that we would be less likely to lynch a vet since they will be selected as bodyguards and not in the pool of people we would want to lynch. downside. Reds can claim and mess it up, but they will be identified more quickly and it will be more of a risk since that will mean 2 reds lynched and 2 vets still in town. I'm still trying to think of the risk of an SK getting chosen to be a bodyguard. | ||
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On January 26 2011 05:36 CubEdIn wrote: I'd have to agree with this. Just one thing though: we don't know the Mafia KPs. This is important because: a) If mafia has only 2KPs to start with, they probably won't risk hitting the Vets. This is because with one medic on them, 2KPs will not kill one person, and a night with no deaths is sad for the mafia. This will make them mow down townies until get bored (knowing that a vet is likely not among them), and then handle the vets when needed. b) If mafia have 3KPs or more, then they can easily land 2 on a vet (and if medic protted, then at least they get one life off), and one on someone else. OR, they can just go 3 on a vet and kill him right there. Actually, the 1-town 1-mafia is not so bad because we would lose mayor and kill a red. And after the first night we will know total number of reds so that helps a lot imo. But having the vets revealed, kind-of defeats the purpose of being a vet IMO. Well, what is the purpose of being a vet? To hope that you get randomly targeted by the mafia? or to soak up kills? Maybe a compromise would be 1 vet, 1 green. | ||
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On January 26 2011 12:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Yo darmousseh what up with the last minute switch? I couldn't decide between the two candidates. | ||
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@kav your analysis seemed good, he is making a ton of confusing posts. Without any clues it's kinda boring right now. | ||
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On January 27 2011 02:36 Impervious wrote: Well, for one thing, there was a major emphasis on "black" during the lynching post, even though that was specifically stated to not contain any clues..... Maybe this whole "black" theme is wrong? I'm starting to think the whole [black]black[/black] thing is just to throw us off and give us something to be distracted by. I think focusing on black will do more harm than good in the long term, although it seems like it is related to something. | ||
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On January 27 2011 02:49 darmousseh wrote: I'm starting to think the whole [black]black[/black] thing is just to throw us off and give us something to be distracted by. I think focusing on black will do more harm than good in the long term, although it seems like it is related to something. haha messed up on the bolding. black. I really need to start previewing all of my posts all of the time. | ||
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On January 27 2011 09:31 Jackal58 wrote: Thing is Kav started his campaign well before roles were passed out. If he is scum it's pure RNG. I'd be more concerned with the few that started to campaign after Day 1 post. Are you your brothers keeper? Babies come from aisle 7 at WalMart. At least that's where my wife tells me ours came from. I think it's time to move on past the kavdragon, ROL, bum mayor and election stuff. There simply isn't enough information to reveal anything except that bum changes his mind faster than a girl, says a few semi-contradictory like many girls and reacts emotionally to kavs accusations just like a girl. Conclusion: Bum is a female, or an alien, or drunk. | ||
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On January 27 2011 11:05 Jackal58 wrote: I'm already hung. Working on clues. I thought more than 2 would die. If original name was an SK and there were only 2 to start then that would mean 1 SK kill 1 mafia kill | ||
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On January 27 2011 11:17 kitaman27 wrote: First thing that comes to mind points to RoL. Murder scene could be the road less traveled. I quickly glanced through all of the of the profiles and the only hint i could find was in RoL's profile Does it dry up which would correspond to the story He gazes down at the body of Meapak, the drying blood staining his feet | ||
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From story Meapak_Ziph runs at full speed From RoL's profile And then run? | ||
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Otherwise FoSNemesis. investigating RoL. | ||
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From his profile I will look for you, I will find you, and I will ban you. From the theme song You can’t hide Also the fact that he was running away. I still think there has to be something with the noises and sounds stuff in the post though. Investigating that next. | ||
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What probably happened. SK and mafia happen to pick the same target. SK ends up being the killer. Read this carefully. And then another persons enters the clearing. He is careful, disturbing nothing, as quiet as the trees surrounding him. A coward, he hid in the shadows witnessing it all, doing nothing. He gazes down at the body of Meapak, the drying blood staining his feet. He shudders, and continues on. Really fills my mind I followed TheAldo. And as I ran my knife across his throat, no one was there to help him. I read this as, SK kills meapak. mafia tries to kill meapak, but SK already did it so he just shrudders and continues on. Mafia kills thealdo. There is no indication that the person that witnessed the incident and thealdo are the same person. From my reading of the story, they are probably different people. From the clues that have been posted, so far here are my conclusions. RebirthOfLegend is an SK. Nemesis is scum. My reasoning for RoL being an SK is that he has been apprehensive about everything and initially didn't vote himself as mayor. The reason he ended up deciding to try for mayor at all is to prevent a scum from being mayor since he thought there was a possibility that kav was scum. He also is very active so far and has helped more with analysis than a mafia would, but there clues against him are present in the story and he can't deny it. Since he is acting on his own, he has very little support from mafia players and is kinda being surrounded. If he was truly scum, then he would have probably put more effort into becoming mayor. Nemsis, then by elimination, is the scum. He is desperately trying to combat all information we gather in clues. Here are some recent posts. 5 mafia according to him. sigh, do I even have to point out why this analysis is crap? Fine, I guess I will. First of all, the clues are divided into two parts: the two seperate deaths.... Next day, I think it might be more beneficial to check the number of SK's. kitaman, I would rather not depend on clues over post analysis. And fine, if you think the clue leads to him, and want him lynched for the first day. Don't you already have kavdragon's support? Why discuss it further if kav has already decided to lynch him? I don't really have time to delve hardcore into this day's clue right now, but let me just give you what I could find in a short amount of time. Almost all of his posts have a negative attitude towards the value of clues and the value of things which would help townies get more information about SKs. He has provided 1 post which attempted to find clues on the killer and in that post he said To people doing clue analysis, I would suggest to take a look at Night 0's clues. Since there are a lot of crap analysis going on right now. The clues from night 0 are the "duct tape" which was straight from Qatol's quote. The clues are pretty straightforward. Don't try and look for things which might be related to something in people's profile. Yet he is basically the only one proposing that the analysis done so far was crap. Almost all of the analysis so far seems very spot on and is confirmed by multiple players. Therefore, for this lynch I propose we lynch nemesis since he is scum and tomorrow we can check the # of mafia to see if we are right. If there is only 1 SK, which I propose is RebirthOfLegend, then there is no harm in letting him live 1 more day since we are likely to get more clues after the next night and we can doubley confirm him and confirm that it is indeed a SK via # of kills. Also the clues pointing towards RoL aren't as decisive as the ones pointing to nemesis. The reason to vote RoL tonight would be to lower the # of SK to 0. If we want, a vig can hit RoL, but I think we should save the Vig for later so we can doubly check to make sure he is actually the SK. | ||
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On January 27 2011 14:46 Nemesis wrote: sigh, do I even have to point out why this analysis is crap? Fine, I guess I will. First of all, the clues are divided into two parts: the two seperate deaths. That means that the clues in the first night points to two different people. Now if you look at the statements that he took from the clues, those are spread out all over the place in the day post. They can be found in both deaths. So unless you are saying that both clues point to me, then that part of your clue analysis is crap. Second of all, this one is just a bit of speculation on how clues work, but the italicized parts and the bold parts feel a bit like red herring. If you look at Night 0's clue, none of the actual clues are found within the italicized parts. Third of all, that kind of feels forced. Well I don't necessarily blame you since you probably don't really understand what my quote is from, and what a reality marble is. A reality marble is magic that forces the reality in your mind to come to life in the real world. So using real as a clue to point to me is rather farfetched. And I just had to facepalm when you bolded really. That just kind of seems too forced. To people doing clue analysis, I would suggest to take a look at Night 0's clues. Since there are a lot of crap analysis going on right now. The clues from night 0 are the "duct tape" which was straight from Qatol's quote. The clues are pretty straightforward. Don't try and look for things which might be related to something in people's profile. For example, someone has a picture of a character from a movie. Then there was something in the clue that could be related to that movie but to a different character in the movie. Mods won't go that far to make the clues as vague as possible. Remember that the clue is directly related to the Profile, not second-hand relation. I don't really have time to delve hardcore into this day's clue right now, but let me just give you what I could find in a short amount of time. From Gmarshal's profile As for the second kill, all I could find so far was this: From Kitaman's Profile: "Keeper Yes, my lord; But yet I cannot help you." "Surveyor 'If,' quoth he, 'I for this had been committed, As, to the Tower, I thought, I would have play'd The part my father meant to act upon The usurper Richard; who, being at Salisbury, Made suit to come in's presence; which if granted, As he made semblance of his duty, would Have put his knife to him.'" Now obviously I haven't read all of kitaman's profile so I'm not really sure if I'm taking those out of context. I'll read it when I have the time, but if someone who knows the story there can help me if anything could be related to the clues, I would appreciate it. And of course lynching based on clues alone would be stupid unless the clues are pretty damning, so I will hold out on my vote for now. 2 things. 1. I'm examining Gmarshal's profile, but so far, only that 1 thing seems to be similar. I haven't found any information otherwise. 2. That quote is waaaaaaaaaaay down in the kitamans' profile. My guess is you just ctrl-f'd and searched for a bunch of buzz words from the story and came up with 2 very vague words (knife and help) and since kita's profile is so large, the chances of buzzwords being the same is very high. Not so obvious of a clue I think. | ||
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The noises inside are a mystery. The scampering in the bush, a deer? That blood-curdling scream, nothing an animal could make. I feel like that is probably a clue, but I can't find anything in any profile. Also theres a bunch of stuff about noises. Anyone else have any luck? Also Away from the campfire, away from the tents, away from the city. The thick, ancient trunks loom, the undisturbed bark hard as stone, the tangled roots cloying at uncareful limbs. No one knows what happens there probably has some clue in it, but again no luck. Other than that, we have like 33 hours until night. I'll try to see if these clues correspond to anything. | ||
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On January 28 2011 02:13 kitaman27 wrote: Anyone find it hypocritical that Nemesis spends so much time bashing the clue analysis and then proceeds to attempt to find two weak clue references to myself and GMarshal? It should also be noted that Nemesis was one of the more vocal RoL supporters for mayor and neither suspect has attempted to turn on each other yet. I believe SK block vig hits since they are bulletproof, so if you are sure he is a SK then a vig hit would be more of a confirmation shot, than a kill shot. If you believe he is mafia, then a vig shot would certainly be appropriate, however. Oh, I forgot about the bulletproof thing, this is my first game sorry :p. Well, in that case I just say lets lynch him after we lynch nemesis. How many vigilantes are there per game typically? Vig can also act after the next set of clues. | ||
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hahahahahaha, there you go. BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Not exactly a scream, but annoying none the less. So I guess me and kita(moon picture) are the closest suspects other than nemesis and RoL. | ||
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http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_black_blood_mean Answer The meaning behind darker blood varies depending on where the blood is coming from: Darker blood from menstruation could mean that the blood is old because periods are not regular. Dark blood from your veins could mean something like you have too much iron in your blood. Veinous blood as well as fresh menstrual blood should always be bright to deep red, not burgundy or black. If blood is dark you should have it checked out by a doctor. hahahaha, thats the first thing I found when searching google. The other is a vampire anime. I think it's probably a very obscure or made up story. | ||
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First thing On January 28 2011 14:39 Mr. Wiggles wrote: ##Vote Mr. Wiggles XD So far I have to agree with Kav that I'm suspicious of RebirthOfLegend, but I don't think the evidence is nearly as strong as it is for nemesis, and I also suspect RoL is actually a SK based on what I said in my previous post. Pages 46,47,48 (while I was sleeping) seem a lot like arguing over inactivity and a ton of back and forth accusations rather than analysis for the most part. Maybe someone will find something else interesting. The coagulation part seems useful, I have no clue who that person on the pictures in his profile is though. Maybe someone knows who that is? I will still be voting for nemesis as the clues seem very persuasive. Unless someone comes up with something better in the next 10 hours. I'm out of luck on finding clues. | ||
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I'm going to see if there is anything in anyone's profile related to this. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=106991#14 But that is really a huge stretch. | ||
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On January 30 2011 11:53 zerroth wrote: wtf how the hell did you find that. what quote? Can we switch those two players around? http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1_____enUS415US415&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=The flesh tastes like pork, a little bit more bitter, stronger. It tastes quite good. Quick google search to find the quote "The flesh tastes like port, a little bit more bitter, stronger. It tastes quite good." | ||
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On January 30 2011 12:03 Coagulation wrote: ya i dont really see how thats related ya, forget that I even said that. It's a huge stretch. I'm having difficulty pinpointing clues from this one. | ||
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On January 30 2011 12:07 zerroth wrote: Beneather Profile pic: Master chief Clues: He also had a mafia slip post 721 yup, thats definitely the strongest case so far. I'm still suspicious of nemesis too, but based on clues beneather is prime suspect. | ||
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On January 30 2011 12:09 Nemesis wrote: Hahaha, nice find there. And that is quite a wonderful story :X So RoL flipped green. Looks like I have to reevaluate my suspects for now. Is it possible that RoL was an SK? Or are we sure he was green? | ||
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On January 30 2011 13:33 Coagulation wrote: another clue pointing at jackal black shape cause of black uniform and hand length away about to grab etc sounds like a description of events related to the quarterback in his profile. As in the QB snap? Black jersey. Nice pickup there. the clues are starting to get heavier. | ||
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On January 31 2011 12:26 Kavdragon wrote: There is a bandwagon on Jackal. Almost no one else has votes on them. Doesn't this raise flags for anyone? Yeah, I think it's a consequence of no-flip. People just find the tiniest clue or analysis and everyone rides the bandwagon. We are like an angry mob rather than a town. | ||
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On February 01 2011 02:31 deconduo wrote: The clue about dog meat is good, but you have the wrong person. Theres someone else with a dog in their profile: Beneather + Show Spoiler + He looked up and saw a masked man with a blood-spattered black apron tied around his waist. The man masterfully handled his instruments, hands moving at a blur, flashes of steel rising and falling, leaving perfectly sized morsels behind. He lifted a finger to his mouth and sucked. We had a new two new kinds of meat tonight. The flesh tastes like pork, a little bit more bitter, stronger. It tastes quite good. Human meat The second meat was really fatty and greasy, so the meat kind of breaks up in your mouth Dog meat And then we realized that this wasn't any ordinary meat. We never found the chef afterwards. Nor did we find d3_crescentia. Now lets take a look: Picture: Masked man. Human meat + Dog meat. Quote: They say practice makes perfect, and then they say nobody is perfect where is the sense in that? That is a great pickup. I feel really bad about lynching a bodyguard though. I wonder if both bodyguards are mafia!?!?!?! Kav, what's your opinion? | ||
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I'm going to vote jackal today because of the strength of the clues (and how little the mod had to go off of). Also him suddenly claiming vet is very scummy. If I was a vet I would try to convince everyone I was a greenie instead because of the high likelihood the mafia will hit you for being too much in the limelight and to confuse everyone. Claiming vet now doesn't seem like a good idea. Tomorrow I think we should vote nemesis and then look for more clues pointing towards beneather or decon. It's very tempting to vote nemesis too, but I think the case for jackal58 is too powerful to overlook. | ||
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On February 01 2011 06:24 Coagulation wrote: the old look at me indirectly defend nemesis by approving of jackal lynch but wait dont forget i said lets kill nemesis tommorrow so theres no way im his scumbuddy trying to save his ass. got all your bases covered good job. Why would I defend nemesis even remotely? I believe nemesis is an SK and in my understanding of the game kill mafia first, then kill SK. I'm voting nemesis tomorrow anyway regardless. All I did was give a reasoning as to why I'm voting jackal58 today and why i'm voting nemesis tomorrow. If nemesis is an SK then we are likely to see more clues pointing towards him again and we can be 100% sure of a good lynch. If I could vote twice I would vote for nemesis as well, since I can't I'll vote for him tomorrow. | ||
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I believe that nemesis is an SK and jackal is mafia. Am I correct to think that we should lynch the mafia first? Or is there a good reason to lynch SK first? For census purposes though I would think we need to find out if our clue analysis is correct. | ||
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On February 01 2011 07:57 Kavdragon wrote: To those who think Nemesis is SK, do you see any clues to him in the day 3 post? Cause I believe that everyone agrees that the SK was the one who was inactive. Flash on his profile. Steel in his quote. flashes of steel "Unknown to death. Nor known to life." on his profile We never found the chef afterwards. There could still be clues about the SK in the day post, unless a mod has said otherwise. The other man didn’t do anything. And because the mods frown on not submitting your night action, we’re giving you clues on him even though he didn’t kill anyone. It's not that much in comparison to jackal58 which I why I'm voting for him tonight and nemesis next lynching day. | ||
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On February 01 2011 09:54 Jackal58 wrote: The biggest issue with that connection is there are a shitpot of people in the game that have no idea who the Steelers are. Why are you still defending yourself if you are already safe from lynching today? (unless 3 people switch suddenly) If you aren't a suspect we won't find anything in the next set of clues so you should just let it go. | ||
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On February 01 2011 09:59 Jackal58 wrote: Ignorant American. There are people in this game from countries all over the world. Only an ignorant Americentric would assume the entire world follows our beloved game of football. Or as many of them call it "hand egg" I'm american and I call it "american football" or "hand-egg" From my profile I like mountain dew, programming, baseball, football (the real kind, not hand-egg) Steelers are going to lose on sunday btw. | ||
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snapping aside branches Quaterbacks snap the football right? I'm definitely voting jackal58 tomorrow. | ||
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On February 01 2011 10:15 LunarDestiny wrote: This is where you got the quote from. If you caught the snapping part of the clue, then why didn't you also pointed out the characteristics of football player (not sure if that dude in Jackal's profile is the quarterback). But it is very clear that the clues are characteristics of Meapak_Ziph, not the killer. From my understanding the clues are mixed in the story everywhere. I literally just found that clue when I posted that. The person in the photo is big ben from the steelers. You can google this information if you do something like "player with number 7 on pittsburgh steelers". | ||
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On February 02 2011 11:49 Kavdragon wrote: We've been played so far. Nemesis was apparently not Mafia, or SK. Number of Mafia remains: 5. WTF is going on? | ||
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On February 02 2011 12:13 GMarshal wrote: Did you have to reveal that kitaman is a Medic? That puts him at risk, although if you are telling the truth we have to hang Lunar. kita is dead. | ||
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On February 02 2011 16:05 Node wrote: Rolechecks on the mayor return "Mayor" regardless of alignment. Wow that sucks. If kav is mafia then we are pretty screwed. This gets me thinking about the whole no-flip clue thing in general. Without being able to verify claims, it is very difficult to analyze a players behavior with regards to their alignment. What if nemesis was mafia? The only information we have is from our mayor which we can only hope is town (I really hope you are town kavdragon or this is all a huge joke). In this game I believe that clues are definitely the most valuable asset the town has. With the amount of townies there are we should be able to boil down all of the clues down to 1 or 2 people and vote from there. I think we also need to reexamine our clue analysis. I think looking for single words might work sometimes, but in general the clues are probably more along the lines that divinek pointed out + Show Spoiler + On February 02 2011 12:16 Divinek wrote: kita is dead so.... also this seems to make sense look at the last clue You'd better watch out! I immediately headed back to the camp in order to find help. I grabbed the first person I saw, Deconduo and asked him to help me remove ilovejohn’s body. Deconduo didn’t help me. As soon as he realized that I wanted him to go inside, he fled. He didn’t get two steps before I killed him. Serves him right. There may be dogs about ---------------------------------------------- and then from lunars profile finally something solid to go on. The only other thing possible to do is to try to start finding associations or commonalities between what people are saying and how they are voting except that if mafia is smart they will mix their players into supporting certain other players. I have no idea who the heck I am going to vote for lynch. Mr. Wiggles we need your awesome clue analysis like from the mini mafia game. I'm at a loss | ||
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On February 02 2011 16:10 LunarDestiny wrote: Did town disregard clues completely? BrownBear -Name (brownbear) -Profile pic (instrument, laughing) I did point out word matching is bad, but recurring clues needed to be pointed out. Day 1 Day 2 This slightly touch on his name BrownBear. Day 3 Day 4 Laughing and singing... That last clue from day4 is really good. If you are an SK then I wouldn't mind keeping you around just to provide us clues. Need more of this, less of other stuff. | ||
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On February 02 2011 16:24 Coagulation wrote: what a clusterfuck. i have no idea who to believe at this point and the fact that Kav is so passive about this makes everything seem very... wrong. I agree. I think town's best interest is to spend more time trying to figure out clues than argue in this giant mess. 3 kills means at least clues pointing towards 2 people (unless we have 2 SK's somehow). Let's start getting those clues down. | ||
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On February 02 2011 11:25 LSB wrote: Day 4 Harmlessly passing your time in the grassland away; And laughing and singing the masked man ran along And laughing and singing he shot Kitaman And laughing and singing he ran along Only dimly aware of a certain unease in the air. There is only so far that I am willing to plunge. There is one place on this god-forsaken island. One place that I refuse to go. It is the caves. Those lightless caverns. I’ve tried avoiding it. But one night I heard screams, echoing off each other in that dark expanse and making their contorted way into the night. I made my way into the caves, and saw all that I needed to see. On the edge of the light, ilovejonn’s body sprawled on the floor. A beast hunched over him, an alien form that I had never seen before. “I’m sorry. I do this for the greater good,” it growled, and then the ground cracked open under it, and it disappeared. You'd better watch out! I immediately headed back to the camp in order to find help. I grabbed the first person I saw, Deconduo and asked him to help me remove ilovejohn’s body. Deconduo didn’t help me. As soon as he realized that I wanted him to go inside, he fled. He didn’t get two steps before I killed him. Serves him right. There may be dogs about Kitaman27 is dead. ilovejonn is dead. deconduo is dead. Day 4 has begun! Time to lynch! Will the sheeple break out of their pen? We shall see! [spoiler] Something of interest. The last line in the song in the post is I've looked over Jordan, and I have seen things are not what they seem. I have no idea what it means, but it scares me into thinking we've got something completely backwards. | ||
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On February 02 2011 16:38 bumatlarge wrote: Sigh, I can expect this from lunar, suggesting WIFOM as an argument, ok that's understanable as someone trying to survive. But Dar? You didn't know mayor can't be checked? Are you serious? WHY DO YOU THINK I WENT BONKERS BEFORE KAV WAS VOTED IN. I can't even tell if that is something you came up with as a mafia question or whether that statement is completely genuine. It blows my mind that we are in the same game. Sorry dude. It blows my mind. It's bed time for bonzo here. I like your clues on BB Lunar! Good find! Yay go team! I seriously had no idea it wouldn't return his alignment. That's pretty screwed up. This is my first game of mafia online ever and I didn't read that part at the end. I had to go check like 10 minutes ago cause I didn't believe it when node said it. My mind is also exploding right now. The clues on BB are really good. I'm going to check the other days to see if anything else matches up. | ||
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Here are some possible additional clues Day 1: Is that shadow in the corner a black cat? Kinda obvious, probably a little too obviousDay 2: The noises inside are a mystery. The scampering in the bush, a deer? That blood-curdling scream, nothing an animal could make. Cat's make the most terrible sounds especially if they are crazy.Day 3: This was about eating human flesh something which a bear would definitely do. Day 4: Other than the laughing and singing reference You'd better watch out! Cat's are afraid of dogs.There may be dogs about Is there anyone else that has a lot of cat references in the profile? That's all I got for now, it's bedtime. | ||
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If I was a describing a bear chasing down someone I might describe it like this And there in the clearing, in the moonlight, Meapak_Ziph runs at full speed, jumping over roots, snapping aside branches. And close behind him a black shape, only a blur in the darkness, gaining, about to grab, only a hand-length away... And then the flash of steel from real guns Meapak_Ziph falls with a grunt to the ground, his face contorts in surprise, horror, and pain, and then... silence. Everything is still but for the fountain of black blood sprouting from his body. The whole flash of steel thing from real guns confuses me though, but it might be a clue mixed in. | ||
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My proposal: Let LD live for today and ask him to hit someone for us. Who to lynch? So far i'm leaning towards brownbear due to the clues. I said I would vote jackal58 today, but no one seems to be blaming him (mostly it seems due to the lack of steel-ers clues). I still get the feeling that there is a massive conspiracy going on. | ||
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On February 03 2011 01:11 Beneather wrote: Just to let the town know I was roleblocked last night. Wow, so you are a blue then? Why would a greenie lie about being blue? | ||
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On February 03 2011 01:11 Beneather wrote: Just to let the town know I was roleblocked last night. Are you a normal greenie bodyguard or did some other skill get blocked? | ||
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On February 03 2011 03:39 BrownBear wrote: Ok, there are several things wrong with this post. 1) You're not the only person who's come up with this idea, and to be fair, it's actually not unreasonable. I'm not saying you're an idiot for thinking it, but I'm saying I really don't feel comfortable placing trust in a guy who knows he's fucked either way. Let's assume LD is 100% confirmed SK for the sake of your scenario. Either LD dies today via lynch or he dies in a few days via lynch. It's a lose-lose situation for him, so what on earth does he gain by helping town? I think it's far more likely he just goes for whoever screwed him over. That's bum. And regardless of the people saying "LOL bum probably scum LOL", he's actually most likely to be telling the truth. How would mafia have found an SK, really good secret analysis? They don't have a rolecheck. 2) Lynching LD helps us confirm 2 townies or 2 scum, as Cubed said. If bum is telling the truth, we know a couple things: Beneather is town, so kav is safe as long as beneather is protected, and bum is DT, and can continue to help us. All of a sudden, we have a DT who can check people as long as medics continue to protect him, we have a confirmed town bodyguard, mason can recruit either to the circle... we go from a kind of shitty position to an actually kind of decent one. On the flip side, what if bum is scum. Then he exposed a) himself and b) his scum buddy beneather to lynch LD. Even if LD is blue, we're trading 2 scum for a blue. That's an amazing trade. 3) Remember what happened last time we lynched solely based on clues? Or, actually, I should say you guys, because I had nothing to do with that ridiculous Nemesis Bandwagon-O'-Idiocy. Actually, I haven't really looked at the "clues" against me, so let's take a look at them. --- Ok, so first things first, I want you all to consider the source. It's LunarDestiny, and he posted this very soon after I called to lynch him. For the noobs among us, accusing your accuser is called an OMGUS, or an Oh My God U Suck, and it's almost universally considered to be bad town play. However, scum players can actually use it to their advantage to get town to run in circles/chase it's own tail. This is a desperation defense by LD, and a pretty weak one at that. --- Not a real great start, prefacing this with "well, I know these are kind of shitty, but..." So this seems to be touching on the fact that I'm playing a ukelele in my profile. Ok, cool, I can't deny that I am. The problem is, I'm not the only one. Hell, you're incriminating everyone who has a song in their profile in addition to me. Not really the most narrowed-down field you got there. I'm not even going to entertain this one except to say that it's the worst connection since Steel-ers. Nevermind, this is the worst connection since Steel-ers. And now we actually have one that could be reasonable, except it still runs into the same problem of you kind of tunnel-visioned me as the only person with a music or singing related profile. So to reiterate what I think the best course of action is: 1: Lynch LD 2: Kav checks number of SKs 3: Based on that info we lynch or don't lynch bum and beneather. It's really the only logical course of action, and I can't understand why this is so difficult for people to grasp. This makes a lot of sense. Thank you for clearing that up. | ||
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Flipping: Player alignment and role WILL NOT be revealed on death. Is this rule permanent or is there a possibility that this can change if something occurs? | ||
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Day 2 And then another persons enters the clearing. He is careful, disturbing nothing, as quiet as the trees surrounding him. A coward, he hid in the shadows witnessing it all, doing nothing. He gazes down at the body of Meapak, the drying blood staining his feet. He shudders, and continues on. Really fills my mind I followed TheAldo. And as I ran my knife across his throat, no one was there to help him. How fitting. Day 4 You'd better watch out! I immediately headed back to the camp in order to find help. I grabbed the first person I saw, Deconduo and asked him to help me remove ilovejohn’s body. Deconduo didn’t help me. As soon as he realized that I wanted him to go inside, he fled. He didn’t get two steps before I killed him. Serves him right. There may be dogs about | ||
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On February 04 2011 06:49 GMarshal wrote: I hope this is true, as in that case we have a guaranteed lynch. Who claimed to be role-blocked earlier? Brown Bear http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184939¤tpage=61#1213 On January 30 2011 13:02 BrownBear wrote: Sorry I don't really have time to talk right now, it's Saturday night, just wanted to say I was roleblocked last night. | ||
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On February 04 2011 06:55 LunarDestiny wrote: o.o I did get roleblocked last night... The mod goofed off there. Wait if you were role blocked does that mean deconudo is still alive? | ||
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Are we going with this plan then? Kav, you say the word and we all switch. | ||
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On February 04 2011 07:55 LunarDestiny wrote: LunarDestiny (8) bumatlarge Kenpachi Divinek Brownbear CubEdIn Eti307 Beneather Barundar How sure are you about cubed? In mini mafia he was playing ridiculously scummy but ended up being town. | ||
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On February 04 2011 11:07 BrownBear wrote: ANALYSIS: DARMOUSSEH I've had this niggling doubt about darmousseh for a while now, and I've decided it's time to figure out what he is, once and for all. VITAL INFO: Posts in thread since start of game: 100 (quite the busy boy) Profile Picture: A fan blowing 2 vuvuzelas (noise, instruments, anything similar) Quote: "May the forcefield be with you" (forcefields? this isnt that helpful) Profile: "I like mountain dew, programming, baseball, football (the real kind, not hand-egg), sci fi, starcraft 2, civilization 4 (5 is ok), and my wife of course I'm 24 (agh old) and live in san jose, ca where i make websites all day. Oh yeah, i'm born on christmas day" CLUE CONNECTIONS: Day 1: crescendo, band breaking into another song, could relate to the vuvuzela. Very shitty connection, though Day 2: That blood-curdling scream, nothing an animal could make - vuvuzela? A better connection than Day 1, certainly. I guess that depends on Node's sense of humor. Day 3: Can't really see much Day 4: Can't really see much either... Ok, so clues are a wash, but analysis > clues, so lets go over his posts. ANALYSIS OF DARMOUSSEH: He starts out with the usual /confirm, excited about playing post, then a one-liner about how scary the possibility of a scum mayor is, then some real-life justification as to why bodyguards are public. Nothing out of the ordinary here. Disappears until after the Day 1 post. First 2 posts since the REAL start of the game, is a noob question and a greenclaim. Greenclaims mean nothing, though (doesn't mean he's lying, just that over half the game can claim green, so mafia can very easily hide amongst them). He also volunteers to be a bodyguard. This is an interesting thing to do. We've spent a lot of time talking about how high-profile targets bodyguards will be, and as far as I can tell this is dar's first game. It's a strange move for a newb townie to volunteer to a position that at that point, we all thought was going to die in the first couple cycles. New players tend to try to live as long as possible (a perfectly rational response), so the only way this makes sense is if dar already has experience with this setup. But that makes no sense for a couple reasons: 1) This is a weird setup (normally roles flip on death and bodyguards are randomly and secretly selected) 2) If dar was experienced, why would he ask noob questions in the first place? So yeah, there's that. This is the first in a recurring theme of dar's posts where someone says something and dar just quotes them and posts a 1-2 line agreement. This happens a lot. Now, I understand that a lot of players post some posts like this (hell, I do), but not with the frequency dar does. Now, I'd like to draw everyone's attention to something Jackal just posted. Jackal's absolutely right, he's just aiming his criticism at the wrong person. I've been actively trying to analyze, come up with ideas, help town, etc. etc. dar is doing exactly what a good scum player would do - just agree with the masses. In short, he's a sheeple at best, and scum at the very worst. Calls out RoL for acting weird about his mayoral campaign. Good call-out, actually. Ooh, a serious post. Takes a look at each scenario that could play out. It's a bit simplistic, though. And his logic is flawed in several spots. Take a look at scenario 1: The pro is we get 3 days of info. The con is we get no info? I'm confused. Or Scenario 3: If mafia doesn't kill bodyguards, then mayor is scum? Mafia hasn't killed bodyguards yet, but that's due to medic intervention + mafia possibly getting mindgamed by medics. Pretty sure Kav is town. If not, he's one of the best mafia mayors TL has ever seen. Point is, this post reeks of bad logic. And we all know what bad logic means. This is a post that states the obvious, but makes him look smart and knowledgable, as though he's contributing. In short, a pretty scummy post. Interesting... Very interesting... it's like he didn't even read my verdict. There's no way that 2 reds would claim vet, and even if they did, how does that mean we get 2 red lynches and save 2 vets? At best, we probably lynch one vet and 2 reds. Nevermind the fact that this wouldn't happen. Most likely scenario is 1 mafia claims, we have 3 vet claims, we end up picking 2 of them as bodyguard, mafia gets a scum bodyguard, at least 1 vet gets killed early on, and our vets were useless. It's almost as though he really wants this to happen, he made the idea sound so appealing by highlighting an absolutely best-case scenario where 2 mafia claimed vets and the real vets didn't. I could go on, but I haven't even reached the end of day 1 and I'm already almost convinced. TO SUMMARIZE: 1) darmousseh plays the noob card quite a bit, asking very nooby questions, but then contradicts that by posting a lot of clarifying posts that are intended to make himself look smart and informed. 2) darmousseh posts these clarifying posts as a way to appear active and helpful without actually being so. 3) when darmousseh actually posts analysis or ideas, they're very shoddy and have bad logic. 4) darmousseh is very sycophantic, more so than the average player, especially to those posting big long analysis posts. CONCLUSION: The fact remains he has tenuous to zero clue connections. However, given his play so far, I have no problem FoSing darmousseh as Probably scum. If people aren't convinced, I'm more than happy to analyze more of his posts, but this post is long enough as is. Lol, ironic that just after I point out some possible clues in your profile, suddenly you attack me. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184939¤tpage=84#1667 Yeah i'm a noob but I'm trying to get better. I've started to post less often and most of my one liners are responses to someone telling me something since we can't pm. I tend to post a lot in general because I want to be an active part of the game. The last time I played mafia was when I was in 6th grade so roughly 12 years ago. This isn't an excuse to be a bad player, but I think i have improved since we first started. When I was looking at the mayor votes I didn't realize the entire time that the dt couldn't check the alignment of the mayor or I would have even been more worried. Going back now, the mayor choice is crazy and he can/will make or break the outcome of the game. If you want to analyze me don't just post random posts of mine. The analysis you have doesn't even make sense. You point out some bad logic (which is due to a misunderstanding of the game initially) and then say that I post a lot. You could do an analysis of almost every active person in the game right now and come to that conclusion. If you think i'm scum then yeah analysis is good, but at least include some good clues and good rhetoric, otherwise you are just grasping at straws. My thinking is you just searched for the noobiest looking player, found some random posts and a few random comments about my profile about possible clues and then made an analysis. I won't immediately assume you are scum, because that's just creating friction where there doesn't need to be any, but I might watch your reactions more closely instead of the others that i suspect are scum. | ||
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On February 04 2011 16:45 CubEdIn wrote: Ridiculously scummy? Are you fking kidding me? All I did was find clues that pointed to Dr.H, and tried to defend myself from the clues that were so "smartly" tied to me: "Uhhh.. Raiden is god of thunder so uhh... this picture has snow in it so... uhhh... I guess that snow, is sorta-like-an-element, and thunder is... also an element (?!?) so, steps in snow can easily point to Raiden!" "Town: Yeah that's brilliant. LYNCH!" That was not the evidence I came up with. | ||
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On February 04 2011 17:08 CubEdIn wrote: Well, whatever evidence you came up with, turned out to be incorrect. No? >: P Yes the evidence was wrong, but my analysis of your play wasn't. You play town incorrectly in order to give yourself an advantage since no one can analyze the difference between your mafia and town since you are overly aggressive. If you had simply said "Well yeah, but I think there is better evidence elsewhere" then I might not have spent as much time analyzing you and spent more time on clues to find the right mafia. The fact that you acted so overly aggressive made me think that even though the clues weren't as good as they should be, your play was terrible and you made everyone turn against you. I feel sorry for mafia if you are mafia since you constantly make yourself a prime target and bad for the rest of us who are trying to play the game in order to win and not play to improve your own "meta-game". You've been a lot quieter in this game up until this point which makes me suspect you are mafia. | ||
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On February 05 2011 05:18 LSB wrote: Well, I would say it would be bad form to simply withdrawl from the game. But I'm cool with you shooting yourself tomorrow night if needed. Lol, I didn't know SKs could suicide. That's hilarious. | ||
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On February 06 2011 13:06 Kavdragon wrote: Oh, btw. I realized this a while ago, but forgot to post it, because Beneather was already confirmed Mafia at that point. (I know, EPIC FAIL on my part not connecting this to Beneather right away.) That picture is from the first Halo 3 advertisement. I actually recognized it right away, but failed to make the obvious connection to Beneather's profile pic... OMG i remember that advertisement now. Nice. | ||
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On February 08 2011 11:16 Node wrote: Day 6 The doctors did all they could. Yet it was still not enough. Their pills, their medicines, could not race death. As black fluid drips through GMarshals IVs, he dies. He dies slowly and painfully, the corruption in his blood too much for the drugs. He dies in agony, his fingers and toes clenching, nails digging so deep into his palms that streaks of black blood run from his hands down his arms. And then he relaxes. Unable to be saved. GMarshal is dead. Day 6 is begun! I think you all know what happens next... Is that a picture of roofies? lol. Time to go clue hunting. | ||
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Impervious (same reasons as other people) Brown Bear (laughing and singing clue from the other day) cubed(scummy play in general, speed test (fast from clues) I'm less suspicious however of cubed because he turned out to be town in mini mafia V even though he played terribly. | ||
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On February 09 2011 03:30 Kavdragon wrote: Yeah, so, after thinking it over, mafia already knows this, so it will only help the town at this point to know what happened last night. I'm a Medic. I'm the one who protected GMarshal night 2, and the one who protected him last night. I thought that mayor couldn't be roleblocked, but that's no longer the case(?). The census ability cannot be RB'd, Medic'ing can. When I was told that the mafia RB'd me yesterday, there was a misunderstanding. I took it to mean "they attempted a Roleblock" while in actuality, it actually succeed. So I never thought to question my un-blockability. I was curious about this too, it says in the description that while the bodyguards are alive you can't be role blocked. It seems once the 2 bodyguards died, that was removed. | ||
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On February 09 2011 06:12 Jackal58 wrote: Keep on laughing scum. Although I must say you are playing a masterful game. Scum. read mini mafia V. He intentionally makes himself impossible to read as town. I learned the hard way to not believe him. In all future mafia games, I will vote to lynch cubed first, no matter what | ||
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On February 10 2011 04:52 CubEdIn wrote: I haven't posted thoughts on anyone, actually. Throughout the game, I have suspected a lot of people who later on died. GMarshal was one of my prime suspects, actually, especially due to some things in the first part of the game. Then, I looked into Coagulation, Kenpachi, but compared to the other games they're just behaving normally. (Kenpachi has a gift for looking scummy btw, but I don't think he's scum). I didn't think that Jackal is scum, I thought it was just tunneling, and I get that you have to try and rattle people in this game. But today when he said that he'll "keep doing that until he dies", mixed with the fact that some people take him for granted makes me think that it's a really really clever way to stay out of focus. He has me to target, and he doesn't have to give any other reasons than the clue. He'll just keep voting me until one of us dies, and only after that he needs to find another target (probably Divinek), and only after THAT, people will find him suspicious, and it might be too late. (I still agree with the trade, by the way, to get us both lynched, but you seemed to have turned from "trading" to "kill them both and then maybe somewhat consider me". But that's ok. For now. Kav, I don't trust Kav. I haven't trusted kav since the beginning, but he did seem to help town in some tight spots and he figured out some things by himself (like pointing out bum before he claimed and whatnot). He also seems fishy with things like... he knew the mafia knew he was medic, but he didn't let the town know. Why? And even after the hit on him, he let people go on after clues before saying that he was protecting GM (at least I was trying to find a connection to 'the doctors couldn't help him', when in fact it was a straight-out explanation that he was medic protected but the medic was role-blocked). However, this doesn't matter, at all. If Kav was mafia he was still truthful about census, and his play would've been damn-right perfect. So if he was scum, then town has lost already. BrownBear - I like him the most, because in many points throughout the game we were pretty much saying the same things, so we somewhat think alike. I was expected to be "paired" with him as mafia, not Divinek, but I see the reasoning there. And due to the fact that I know I'm green, and we posted pretty much the same things, I'll give him a 99% green in my book. Barundar - I don't know. He poked at me twice during this game, but it seems reasonable. I'm not good at post analysis so I just do/say what I think. I didn't build up an opinion on him, but I was thinking that if he did nail some things on the mafia he'd have been dead a while back. So he might mean well but he hasn't proven as useful as Kav, for example. I would vote for easily if a clue pointed at him though. Impervious - It's not just the connection, even though it's the ONLY connection that was found in the clue, it's also Kav's post regarding you, and the fact that the town is voting for you. I really don't know who to vote for, but someone has to die, and you're more than a coinflip to me due to the clue. I know it's terrible, I said it's terrible, but it's better than nothing at all. If Kav hadn't had the hunch about you, I would've probably voted for myself tonight. However, the fact that he only reacted when I voted for him is suspicious. There are what, 4-5 votes on him already, but when I vote for him he switches focus on me? Probably because part from him, I'm most likely to get lynched, so it's the only way out. As for everyone else, I really don't have any clear thoughts on them. Mostly because they've been quiet, this includes darmousseh. I really don't like his play style, mainly because he bandwagons and FoSs only people who have been FoS-ed before. He's just sitting in a corner, laughing when everyone else is laughing, and tagging along for the ride, but he isn't even trying to bring his own contribution. In fact, the only meaningful contribution was "well, I also pushed cube in mini mafia, and he was town!". Well played there, powerful argument. So, let's end it with Divinek. I also find him as sort-of a lurker. He doesn't say much, he doesn't do much, he mostly replies when he's being targeted. But the reason I left him for last is that... there are others that do the same. There's no good reason why I would think he is scum just because of that. And if you want me to agree that rooting for LD was scummy, then I would have to admit that what I did/said was scummy as well, which is dumb. If that's your reasoning, then there are three scum in the game left, since BB did the same. That being said, it's very possible that if the mafia knew there would only be two people left, then they would take different sides. One pushing for LD, someone pushing against LD. That's what I would do in that scenario. Anyway, bottom line is that I don't really know if Divinek is scummy or not. But I don't think that his push for LD was scummy, so much as his lurking and playing along is. If he'd give out more insight he'd be ok in my book but he never does. So no, I wouldn't even bother coming up with arguments against his lynch, nor would I bother with anyone else part from Kav or BrownBear. Unless someone makes an epic post like Nemesis did, that clears him of all guilt in my eyes. ...boy that was long. Please ask me to detail if I was unclear, because I don't have time to proof-read it. Cheers. The problem with your play cubed is you raise suspicion on people whom have the interest of town at heart such as kav. Instead of criticizing everyone's play, why not instead try to analyze to see if people are lying or identify clues. Simply raising suspicion on someone who is a confirmed townie is a terrible idea. Other than that, sorry everyone about somewhat disappearing. Mini Mafia V was at the end and I was trying to analyze those clues. I promise to be more active now. | ||
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On February 10 2011 23:19 Barundar wrote: You are only posting defensive posts. No accusations on anyone. I feel like I'm repeating myself over and over here. You haven't even posted your reasons for suspecting GMarshal. Your reasons are always "I don't really think this guy is mafia. But i have nothing better so I will vote for him". That is the difference between this game and the quote from PYP3. You offer zero contribution and zero scumhunting. Either you are playing absolutely terrible as town, in which case I beg you to shape up, or you are mafia. I don't see any point discussing this further with you, we get clues in day post, and my opinion might change by then. He played similarly in mini mafia V. I wouldn't suspect him right away, he draws attention to himself for absolutely no reason. When cornered, instead of offering good advice to help town win, he defends himself needlessly and makes himself even more suspicious. I wouldn't recommend lynching him since he's probably just playing bad town again. | ||
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