TL Mafia XXXVI - Page 5

On February 01 2011 09:57 LunarDestiny wrote:

FOOTBALL (that's right, we call them football here) Team which won a championship a few year back. I don't really pay much attention to football. The clues still aren't as believable as Nemesis's clues.

Other can read about them here:LINK

On February 01 2011 10:01 darmousseh wrote:


I'm american and I call it "american football" or "hand-egg"

From my profile



Steelers are going to lose on sunday btw.

On February 01 2011 10:20 SiNiquity wrote:

Only an ignorant American would presume all Americans have not spent years outside of the country.
Only a stupid person would suggest in a game with most people listing United States or USA as their country, the majority or a "shitpot" of people don't know who the Steelers are.

Take your pick

On February 01 2011 10:33 SiNiquity wrote:

I see you've chosen the latter.

On February 01 2011 13:27 Kavdragon wrote:
Cool. With that out of the way, I'll wait a little longer for dissenting voices, then turn in the request for Mafia.

On February 02 2011 04:43 Kavdragon wrote:
Right, enough about the BG's. I think that we should give our blues some direction. This idea is coming from BC's thread on town play.

Blues, feel free to take or leave our advice. The discussion is as much for you Blues as it is for Vanilla townies. If people are going to suggest things, be specific. Call people out by name, don't generalize. It's really easy for scum to hid in the crowd of people saying "we should dt check inactives". It's much harder for them to post specific requests for DT/Medic/Vig hits, and when they do, it gives us WAY more information about mafia than general "good" advice.

I'll start:


Beneather's alignment will be shown by who dies first, me or him. Do not waste time on him.
Papapanda comes off as very scummy to me, but this could simply be because he's new. I'd highly recommend him for a DT check. (Constantly apologizing for himself, very tentative about his ideas/opinions. Very typical of newer scum players.)


Mafia made a play for GMarshal after I called for Medics to protect LunarDestiny. You caught this before, so keep up the work with the wifom. LunarDestiny is still a good heal target. GMarshal is also a good target, in case the mafia make a play for eliminating the census again.


My request for a hit on Zerroth still stands. If a DT hit D3, thank you, sorry that he turned out town. Regardless of whether a DT hit him or not, the inactives felt pressure and posted more. I see no reason to stop the pressure.


Speak up, be active. You have the privilege of being able to speak out without worrying for your life. This will allow other blues to come out a contribute as the mafia will be avoiding Vets, and at the very least sets up some good wifom shields.

On February 02 2011 05:10 Kavdragon wrote:
Lol, your death would be an EPIC mafia fail.

Firstly, you are a vig. Mafia avoid them like the plague. (You still absorb the hits.)
Secondly, you were almost lynched. What happened to the last guy that was almost lynched? He got lynched the next day. People are suspicious of you, regardless of how good/bad the logic is.

Why would the mafia kill you? I mean, Mafia, please, by all means stack your hits on him, I think that would be fantastic. The less deaths the better.

On February 02 2011 05:05 bumatlarge wrote:
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Don't forget mason as well. He should be blue hunting. DT will probably need to claim and give some results tomorrow. BGs are always good, and try your best to predict a hit (someone who becomes very vocal at a certain point, someone who catches your eye). Unless a vig feels very vulnerable, I think he should save hits from people like zerroth or D3 and wait for a situation where we KNOW someone is red. But of course, pop it if you are in danger. If jackal is a vet I am worried for what the rest of our vets are like.

I also need this Beneather/jackal situation explained. I've gone through their posts, and feel little difference in the motives of both. Further, Ben is a BG and Jackal has claimed vet, while I find it remarkably convenient for him to have, especially when he hasn't acted like a vet this whole game. If you are going to slide jackal the inexperienced card, I don't see why ben doesn't. And we aren't going to be looking at clues so hard after the nemesis thing? Hm...

When you judge someone, spread it into three parts, and keep them separate. Behavior comes first, then the information available and then clues. Don't disregard them, you just need to develop an eye for them, which I obviously haven't yet -_-
If there is no information available about that person, then you can extend the analysis into 2/3 of your opinion.

That sheep pic is cruel, but helpful, as it is likely that nemesis is town and not SK. Bum is 0 for 2!

On February 02 2011 05:30 bumatlarge wrote:


Well, you can probably explain it the best. I mean Beneather and Jackal. I see little difference in their posting, and beneather is valuable by his existence and jackal has already made an excuse of why he is still here and will be here, or proved that he is not doing his job. Maybe you've already closely reviewed them both, or you are going on what everyone has said.

Why Beneather over Jackal? I know you mentioned that it was unnerving that no one defended jackal, but I doubt that is the only reason.

On February 02 2011 05:45 deconduo wrote:


To get hit/killed. To be a good target for mafia. To not almost get lynched.

On February 02 2011 12:36 Kenpachi wrote:

Second medic protect this guy.

On February 02 2011 12:49 GMarshal wrote:
LunarDestiny, are you willing to deal? Town could use a night kill and since you are bullet proof you have nothing to fear from mafia, at this point I think we could offer you survival for a while in exchange for your night kills.

(also what does the rest of the town think of this?)

On February 02 2011 13:06 Divinek wrote:


are you guys for fucking serious? BIG FOS on both of you

an SK would never openly admit it and try to bargain with town, where would that get him? sure he'd live a few more days but he could NEVER win.

Only mafia could reasonably want to keep an SK alive after they have been identified

On February 02 2011 13:55 Divinek wrote:



have you read anything ive said? You just say something without explaining any reasoning behind it. That is a mafia way of posting to avoid slip ups because their reasoning is different naturally.

On February 02 2011 14:08 Kavdragon wrote:
Uh...Really guys? Look, LunarDestiny has been one of the biggest assets to the town. Beneather had looked really freaking scummy, and has clues agianst him. (If he's GF, why the hell would the mafia send him as their hitman? Bad logic). Kitaman is dead, and can't tell us anything.

Firstly, Divinek: D3 was SK in Pokemafia and he cooperated with town. Scared the crap out of us mafia at the time. So yes, SK's CAN work with the town. It's in their best interest to work with whoever is losing.

Secondly, Are we going to lynch one of the most active and actually helpful players this game?

REGARDLESS of whether he is SK or not, he CAN be an asset to the town. As such we should NOT autovote him.

That being said, I'm not yet convinced that Bum is actually a DT.

On February 03 2011 09:30 Kavdragon wrote:
The second half of my analysis, as promised:

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According to this, he KNEW that Benneather was town on day two. So i went back an checked his posts. Yes, he defends Beneather lightly by compareing him to Jackal, but really he's just dragging Beneather into the spotlight at that point. Why draw attention to him if he's clean, and we arn't considering his lynch for the time being? Then he posts this:



So you suggested that we lynch someone who you knew to be town? No veteran player would do something like that. Hell, most new players would know not to do that.

This made me look at the possible reasons for a mafia claiming this:
Claiming that Kita is Medic: No real reason other than he's dead, and can't be checked.
Beneather as Townie: This potentially clears the name of the most suspected scum.
LD as SK: This makes the most sense as Mafia, and this is one of the first things that made me question Bum. The one things that has stuck with me out of all the advice I've read from the pros, is that good scum tells are the things that make sense from a mafia perspective, but not from a town perspective.
Beneather wasn't going to be lynched, Kita was dead, so the only reason to claim at this point is to call out LD: If LD is SK, he wants to appear as pro-town, and he wants to kill people who are on the winning side. In this case, the Mafia are winning, so he would want to kill them. As long as his cover isn't blown, this is the logical course of action. Once the cover has been blown, he has much less reason to help the town. (It's possible for him to win, but extremely unlikely, so who knows how he might act? ) So why would an experianced townie, someone who must have realized this, call him out? this could only halt or hurt his pro-town, helpful play. In short, it DOESN"T MAKE SENSE FOR A TOWNIE TO DO THIS.

If you were mafia, the town is looking pretty screwed, and the SK will have no choice but to start helping the town if they weren't before. So revealing Lunar as SK makes sense. People say that mafia can't know because all hits are accounted for. This isn't true.
The town asked the vig to hit D3, and D3 died that night. We assumed it was the mafia, but there was no logical reason for them to hit D3, it would be much better to hit the vocal persons in the town: Lunar and Me. So they hit lunar, and GMarshal that night. Lunar didn't need to claim the hit, because a vig covered for him. Think about it, why would the mafia hit D3? Yeah, he had a list, but he wasn't a big voice in the town, and his death only drew attention to that list. It makes no sense for the mafia to hit D3. It makes perfect sense for a Vig to hit D3. Conclusion, we have our missing hit, and the mafia know who the SK is.

It has already been pointed out that he reported Beneather as Vanilla Townie. Why would you translate Townie Bodyguard in to Vanilla Townie? Slip up? It seems odd at the least.

If necessary I can back this up with Blue Based information, but I'd rather not give out any information about blues that I don't need to. I will say that I'm in the Mason circle though.

It's not what you know, it's what you can convince people to believe. This is really where the Mafia game is won and lost and people just don't get it. In this game you are a mafia mayor and I know this because I read it correctly. Does it matter? Not really, because now I have to convince the town that you truly are. Likewise we all know quickstriker and JeeJee are innocent but in the grand scheme of things it means shit - people believe they are guilty. Once you get people to believe certain things about other players you can start either dividing the town and standing back silently watching them devour each other as mafia, or as a townie bring them all to focus on a few people. The idea is all the same - persuasion is much more powerful than outright facts. If you can lie skillfully or find a crucial mistake to exploit while keeping a straight story people will often trust you easily.

On February 04 2011 05:22 LunarDestiny wrote:

Now isn't that simple?

On February 04 2011 06:55 LunarDestiny wrote:
o.o I did get roleblocked last night... The mod goofed off there.