EPTTL Mafia XXXVI - Page 3
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(also what does the rest of the town think of this?) | ||
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On February 02 2011 13:06 Divinek wrote: are you guys for fucking serious? BIG FOS on both of you an SK would never openly admit it and try to bargain with town, where would that get him? sure he'd live a few more days but he could NEVER win. Only mafia could reasonably want to keep an SK alive after they have been identified I dont think you get it we aren't offering LunarDestiny a choice between serving town or some better deal, if lunar deviates at all from the towns instructions (which I think we should determine by majority vote) he hangs, I dont see where the disadvantage to giving town a second KP is. | ||
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On February 02 2011 13:13 Divinek wrote: allow me to ellaborate on my earlier point having TWO kp per cycle is not as beneficial to town, because we have less information. As you can tell thus far our kill selections have been off the mark. The longer the game goes on the more info we get (clues + analysis) so the fewer kills the better. THUS only mafia would want to keep an SK alive to limit the amount of info town can get from clues (as some clues go to sk) and just plain THE GAME ENDS SOONER Sure the game ends sooner,but now we dont have to ask vigis to hit inactives we can direct which inactives get hit by our SK and then focus the lynch on the scummiest target around, if we decide for some reason that we are going through people to fast we lynch lunar. I dont see what your issue with this plan is | ||
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On February 02 2011 13:18 LunarDestiny wrote: + Show Spoiler + What the hell is this shit? Looks like a DT claim to me, but I'm no expert  Analyze the meaning of this dt claim and ask yourself would a town aligned player do this claim. To reduce the number of kps in the field and buy town more time? after all each non mafia death brings us one step closer to defeat If Bumatlarge is telling the truth: -The final push for this dt claim is detecting that I am SK. But why would a town want to expose the SK. Mafia wouldn't choose to hit this presumed SK and target other town. Of course not, if the DT points out the SK its so that town can hang him, nothing else -If Bumatlarge just want to lynch me, he could just have said that Lunar is SK or Mafia (don't know why he chose the former unless he is mafia and don't want lynching me to affect the presumed mafia count=5). Then the other two pieces of information is useless. What good would exposing the medic do? Nothing except for sparing him as lynch. As of now, claiming that Beneather is vanilla town is pointless since we are not lynching because of his bodyguard status. But his choice of checks makes sense, at least in my opinion, plus the Beneather check keeps us from hanging a bodyguard stupidly if this is true. Notice how he waited until the medic was dead (not that I noticed originally mind you) If you look at another view point that Bumatlarge is mafia and lying: He named me as SK to lynch me. Didn't just say I am mafia because it will bring the presumed mafia count down to 4 and be counter claimed by census. This is true but the census will also prove if you are SK or not After Deconduo's death, only 1 of the 2 dog profile left is Beneather. Since dog meat is very likely to be a clue. He is trying to protect Beneather. I could see this I guess, but after hanging you we will know weather or not he was lying, if he was then he just gave us two mafia for one townie The reason for Kitaman is medic is rolefishing. What he want Kitaman to do? Claim medic? Kitaman is dead as was so kindly pointed out by a bunch of people And also the clue pointing at me. Those clues are even less convincing than the clues we found. I'm tempted to ignore clues altogether (not really I'm just not good at finding them) but they seem to have been leading the town down a bad path, we haven't hung any mafia that we know of off clues, we might as well try the time tested DTs and behavioral analysis in conjunction with that for a day, no? I ask people to read his dt claim carefully and think of the motive for his claim (is it pro-town or anti-town). I just did, there you go Just my two cents. | ||
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I'm going to throw this out there, since this a clue based analysis game, its quite possible that there are no dts much like in the minimafia game, as of right now I am not convinced that Lunar is the SK but it seems to me like the mafia would be running a very real risk by making a DT claim, especially if Beneather is mafia. another way to check if the DT is telling the truth is to hang Beneather and take a census of the mafia if Beneather flips not mafia then the DT was being honest, else he too is mafia. However is Lunar worth more than a bodyguard? At this point we have some hard choices to make, and as always I suggest we take a good look at peoples behavior and the clues to figure stuff out | ||
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This is just something to keep in mind as we make choices. | ||
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On February 02 2011 14:33 Impervious wrote: Think about it - look at how people have been voting, look at how the clues have been leading us in the wrong direction..... Does it really make any sense that we haven't had a single fucking Mafia kill yet? There's something fishy about vig and SK hits not hitting a mafia at all (especially since any decent SK would be thinking that the mafia is winning, and therefore try to kill scum instead, and the clue last night really signals that a vig made a hit). The only way that could make any sense (without some extreme luck by the mafia) was if the mayor was lying to us. And if he was, it would be very, very easy to turn us against the wrong people..... I agree that a scummy mayor would screw us over big time and that its possible that Kav is scum, however it seems to me that if he is we have no way of reaching a conclusion either way, if he is mafia then we are essentially done as we have no way of verifying kills and mafia can just steer us however they wish. Since census is such a brutally essential part of our arsenal I need really good evidence against the Mayor before I even consider hanging him. | ||
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I'll propose one thing, although I don't think that its a great idea, we could hang Beneather (a BG) and find if he is red or green, if he is red then our DT is a phoney, otherwise we have a real DT we can use. At this point I don't know what the value of a BG is compared to a DT. However all else aside unless LD agrees to help town I agree we should hang him, just because its really likely he is the SK | ||
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We should still discuss what we are going to do about bum, and how to check his claim. | ||
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Seriously though I see your point, and while I dont fully agree with it, I'll follow it as its sound reasoning. I'll go vote now | ||
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(sorry I'm in a *really* dull lecture and I need posts here for me to read and comment on) | ||
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